I do seem to remember reading that Daly and Kilgallen had a falling out over her investigations, seeing how she was openly challenging the Warren Commission's findings.

Did you read that in Gil's book?

ISTR Gil mentioned something about two WML? principals not speaking to each other except to play the game, but I forget the details. I haven't read through his book since 1978.

Had the Warren report been released when Dorothy died? I'm a bit fuzzy on the chronology.

The two living people who MIGHT know something about it are Bobby Sherman and Jonathan Goodson. Gil Fates, Garry Moore, Jerry Chester and even Bud Austin are no longer available.

The other person I'd like to talk to is Tom Werner, who claims to have acquired the rights in 1992.  Acquired them from whom?  The yogurt people?

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It's interesting how many "special" episodes have ended up missing. It's almost as if someone at the time decided to set those episodes aside, maybe so that they wouldn't end up lost, and by so doing, those episodes ended up lost.

I have a slightly different theory that certain special episodes were probably meaningful to certain important people, so they just took them.  It couldn't have possibly occurred to anybody that this archive was going to have value decades later, and therefore it had to be maintained perfectly.  I strongly believe, for example, that Gil Fates took the 1960 election special out of the collection when he was writing his What's My Line? book, and then never bothered to return it.

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I don't think he ever mentioned he was leaving IGAS on air on IGAS, until the September 1964 transition show, which is a missing episode?

Yes, it was widely reported that Garry was sore about his show being cancelled and was going to walk away from Secret, but he never mentioned it on air until the missing transition episode.  Aside from the very first episode, that's the one I'd most love to locate some day.  Maybe Garry took it?

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The NY Times article says IGAS was owned by Moore and CBS. Is that right? CBS gave Garry an ownership stake in it?

Goodson-Todman sold the show to "Telecast Enterprises," a partnership between CBS and Garry that seems to have had no other purpose than this.  While most reports at least suggest it was an equal partnership, others say Garry had a minority stake.

Was Goodson-Todman still involved right up until the end? Both Steve Allen and Bill Cullen talk to Mark Goodson on the last episode in 1967...or was he just hanging around to say goodbye to everyone?

It's quite a coincidence that John Daly's father in law was Chief Justice Earl Warren of the Warren Commission. I'm sure Daly, who saw Dorothy every Sunday night, kept his father in law well informed about Dorothy's activities. Dorothy's homicide was never fully investigated.

I do seem to remember reading that Daly and Kilgallen had a falling out over her investigations, seeing how she was openly challenging the Warren Commission's findings.

That's a very specific word to use, and while it might be a coincidence and just a common word to use to describe a television show, it might also suggest some sort of mutual agreement with "Telecast Enterprises" without that entity giving up the rights.

That's an interesting notion.

I looked at the crawl of a Narz Concentration and the copyright notice says "G-T Programs, Inc." even though Jim Victory and I think NBC each had a piece of it, so the copyright notice isn't necessarily definitive.

In the case of IGAS, CBS and Garry Moore may still have had a piece of the show in 1972. That would also explain the four-show run on CBS in 1976. Perhaps CBS financed the pilot show of that run?

The two living people who MIGHT know something about it are Bobby Sherman and Jonathan Goodson. Gil Fates, Garry Moore, Jerry Chester and even Bud Austin are no longer available.