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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Dbacksfan12 on May 20, 2024, 06:17:46 PM »
When I first heard the GSN Pyramid's idea with each 7-out-of-7 adding $5,000 to the next Winner's Circle, I thought it was a nice evolution. But watching day after day, it made the individual rounds feel like a series of failures during which they were keeping score. i.e. - well, you didn't add $15,000 to your Winner's Circle, but you did manage 17 points along the way. (Oh, and you won the game.)
Let me ask you this, because I agree with you on both points that were made.

What if they started teams at $0 and then awarded $1,000/point for a go at the WC, with a $5k bonus if they racked up a perfect score?  If I was producing, I wouldn't mention the $$ until the bonus round itself..."In the main game, you scored 18 points, so you're playing for $18,000.  Here is your first subject..."
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by JasonA1 on May 20, 2024, 06:07:45 PM »
When I first heard the GSN Pyramid's idea with each 7-out-of-7 adding $5,000 to the next Winner's Circle, I thought it was a nice evolution. But watching day after day, it made the individual rounds feel like a series of failures during which they were keeping score. i.e. - well, you didn't add $15,000 to your Winner's Circle, but you did manage 17 points along the way. (Oh, and you won the game.)

For me, the same kind of feeling permeated the Donny Pyramid. Maybe it's knowing the old version too much. But, put side by side, the Donny version had an especially anxious energy. The classic Pyramid afforded you about 4.28 seconds to work on each answer; the 6-in-20 format only allows 3.33. As Travis alluded to, some of the problem on the Donny show could have been in what words were chosen, and especially what order they played.

An Osmond Pyramid had about 20 minutes of show in a half hour slot, while the Strahan version is right around 21:30. Based on that, there's a case to be made they literally didn't have time to play the old game in 2002. But I wonder what the end result could have been with the Donny version if they approached the runtime problem in a different way.

-Jason
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Kevin Prather on May 20, 2024, 05:44:01 PM »
The three fastest successful runs seemed like the best way to go for qualification; I understand that they wanted an easy way to cull the field and skirt continuity for syndication, but to penalize players after they already have to overcome bad writing and nitpick-y judging seemed like bad form to me.
Not to mention in the first season, they did not have the option to give the clues.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Jeremy Nelson on May 20, 2024, 03:24:46 PM »
Other than that, the old KISS principle is applied perfectly to Pyramid. They just tried too hard to be different, and it didn’t work.
This, for me, applied most to the Tournament qualification. I just watched an ep with Kathy Najimy and in the first Winner's Circle, she gave an illegal clue and my first thought was "damn, that guy already got disqualified for the tournament".

The three fastest successful runs seemed like the best way to go for qualification; I understand that they wanted an easy way to cull the field and skirt continuity for syndication, but to penalize players after they already have to overcome bad writing and nitpick-y judging seemed like bad form to me.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by BrandonFG on May 20, 2024, 03:03:35 PM »
(Did Donny ever mention "If you win the $15,000 here, that's a total of $25,000 and then we'll see you back her to try for another $100,000"? I don't recall.
I don't know if he ever mentioned it, but when a team won the chyron flashed "$15,000" for a few seconds then dissolved to say "$25,000".

I always felt having the same celebrities for the entire week would've solved the 6-in-20 issue. IIRC, Donny always spent a lotta time bantering with celebrities about their projects; had they kept the same two all week those convos could've been stretched out more. Now we don't have to spend so much time on say, Mario Cantone talking so much about what to expect on Sex and the City this upcoming season.

I also agree the writing got a little too cute and esoteric. "What Tom Cruise's Dentist Might Say"? I mean I have clues for that one, but it doesn't make it any less silly. Don't even get me started on the judging (Not accepting "Disco Music" for "Disco Songs" caused a bit of a debate back on ATGS).
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by TLEberle on May 20, 2024, 02:38:41 PM »
I didn’t have a problem with the 6 in 20 second mechanic. That was a nice little twist.

Other than that, the old KISS principle is applied perfectly to Pyramid. They just tried too hard to be different, and it didn’t work. The writing was the killer for me. You look at the two most modern Pyramid efforts, they stuck to basics (well, for the most part) and it worked.
I'm going to push just a wee bit, though I understand they needed to shave somewhere and that bought them two minutes. However:

The nice thing about 7 in 30 seconds is that you're expected to run off probably three or four of the answers without much trouble. A good team will then have a reserve amount to use if the sixth or seventh prompt is tough for them. (and if they run out of time? Rough chuckles, welcome to game shows.)

Six in twenty to me as a 22 year old felt way too fast. No real time to grasp what's going on or let the round sink in because we have the four-line topic titles and then the Super Six presentation and dashing off to the winners circle. Absolutely no time to reflect or let the tension sink in. (Did Donny ever mention "If you win the $15,000 here, that's a total of $25,000 and then we'll see you back her to try for another $100,000"? I don't recall.
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The Big Board / Re: New Season Of The Mole On Netflix June 28
« Last post by DoItRockapella on May 20, 2024, 02:38:20 PM »
It’s amusing when you recall that Alan Cumming and Ari Shapiro have just been out on tour together with their “Considered Cabaret” show that they’re now hosting similar shows.

Entertainment Weekly has a good interview with Ari Shapiro about The Mole that touches on this topic.

https://ew.com/the-mole-new-host-season-premiere-date-ari-shapiro-exclusive-8640665

I really want to check out The Traitors, but don't want to pay for Peacock just for that one show. I paid for CBS All Access\Paramount+ for about two years, then realized there was nothing I wanted on it other than Star Trek.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by PYLdude on May 20, 2024, 02:00:28 PM »
I didn’t have a problem with the 6 in 20 second mechanic. That was a nice little twist.

Other than that, the old KISS principle is applied perfectly to Pyramid. They just tried too hard to be different, and it didn’t work. The writing was the killer for me. You look at the two most modern Pyramid efforts, they stuck to basics (well, for the most part) and it worked.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Long live Jeopardy! on May 20, 2024, 08:22:53 AM »
Donny was a good host stuck in a decent but watered-down revival. I get that modern game shows don’t allow for a big money tournament that could potentially run for several weeks (J! is an anomaly, due to last year’s strike), but I’d rather you just do straight Pyramid instead of half-assing a tourney.

The other rule changes like six words in :20 and the writing/judging never sat well with me either.

Also, the episodes airing out of taping order (which is one reason why that version did not have returning champions) didn't help either.
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The Big Board / Re: New Season Of The Mole On Netflix June 28
« Last post by Joe Mello on May 20, 2024, 12:48:03 AM »
I was going to say the success of The Traitors had to be a huge tick in The Mole's favor, but this renewal was first reported in February 2023, when The Traitors had just been out in America for a month. So perhaps not.
Season 1 of Netflix's version looks to have come out around the time that Traitors was starting to air in English-speaking countries, so it's still possible someone said "we have The Traitors at home"
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