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Title: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Blanquepage on October 11, 2025, 03:07:26 AM
Even with all the  content that's surfaced over the years, it's only human to hope for more.
What series are you still holding out for to pop up, whether it be because none at all are circulating or you'd like to see more? My top 3:

Temptation - Sure, a basic bidding game of chicken, but I enjoy Art's somewhat devilish persona

Spin-Off - It was supposedly found with CBS TJW, yet nothing more than highlight reel has surfaced

PDQ - some years ago, Dave Schwartz confirmed to me that its entirety was still around in the Four Star vault, would love to see more than the pilot
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 11, 2025, 08:40:37 AM
Here's my request list

Baffle
The Better Sex
Jackpot (Edwards NBC version)
Rhyme and Reason
Split Second (Kennedy)
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: TimK2003 on October 11, 2025, 10:19:43 AM
Even with all the  content that's surfaced over the years, it's only human to hope for more.
What series are you still holding out for to pop up, whether it be because none at all are circulating or you'd like to see more? My top 3:

Temptation - Sure, a basic bidding game of chicken, but I enjoy Art's somewhat devilish persona

Spin-Off - It was supposedly found with CBS TJW, yet nothing more than highlight reel has surfaced

PDQ - some years ago, Dave Schwartz confirmed to me that its entirety was still around in the Four Star vault, would love to see more than the pilot


You read my mind!  After the recent uncovering of a rare Musical Chairs and Big Showdown episode, I was thinking about statlrting a similar thread -- "If I could find 5 more episodes of a rare game show".

Little did I know then that three shows off of my very first tape trade are still pretty much limited to 1-5 episodes in the wild three decades letter. 

On my list:

1) The Who What & Where Game
2) The Big Showdown
3) ABC Split Second
4) Rhyme & Reason

I loved the old, more intelligent daytime quizzers.  While R&R is not, I'd still like to see a little more of that show's gameplay.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: BrandonFG on October 11, 2025, 10:54:55 AM
Would love to simply see a 10K win on Big Showdown. Other than that I’d like to see more obscurities that have zero episodes on the circuit. Shows like Pro Fan.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: SuperMatch93 on October 11, 2025, 11:03:14 AM
I'd love to see an episode of Word for Word someday. According to a post I read on here a long time ago, it may have been the first show ever to have an intro that zoomed in through one of the letters. :)
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 11, 2025, 11:39:35 AM
Celebrity Sweepstakes; whose syndicated masters are apparently still alive and well.

From more modern times, I'd like to see more Goen and Rolf WoF.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: The Ol' Guy on October 11, 2025, 12:52:28 PM
SuperMatch, I do believe the O in "For" was indeed the opening portal. Even still remember the show's theme.
My dream list covers 50s-60s shows - one episode each would be fine:

For Love or Money
Your Surprise Package (faint memory traces)
Double Exposure (same - remember the flashing device with the 12 lights)
Top Dollar
Jan Murray Charge Account
Make A Face
Window Shopping (added edit)
Across The Board (added edit)
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Casey on October 11, 2025, 01:49:59 PM
Interesting topic!

I've been kind of on a binge of 70s The Joker's Wild lately, so I'd like to see more of those come up (especially the CBS episodes that were not shown on GSN).

Others I'd like:
Face the Music
Fandango (though at least according to Bill Anderson's webpage, the tapes were all damaged)
ABC Password
Tom Kennedy's Split Second
The Big Showdown
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: tvwxman on October 11, 2025, 03:26:49 PM
High Rollers 74-76 , especially with the face-lifters format. That's my holy grail.
Split Second
Big Showdown
Showoffs    (looks like any mid 70s show)
Fun Factory


Here's one prob not on anyones list : Lohman and Barkley's Namedroppers. Really enjoy the one ep out there.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: carlisle96 on October 11, 2025, 05:10:19 PM
Joe Pyne's Showdown
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on October 11, 2025, 05:18:36 PM
I'm very, very loudly in the camp of wishing folks would appreciate more what's already out there, but if we're going to do this.

As there are precisely zero episodes of it (at least on video), Snap Judgment with Ed McMahon is always going to be my number one. As a fan of his, I really want to see Ed McMahon here.  Also, Johnny did two episodes of the show (with Paul Anka doing M-W) and if one of THOSE two turned up that would be incredible...there's some other celebrity bookings it'd be fascinating to see as well. (George Carlin's week for example)

Press me on 2-5 and it's ABC Password (ESPECIALLY the Monty Hall-hosted episodes), the Tom Kennedy years of Name That Tune and Split Second, and the 1970s version of The Cross-Wits with Jack Clark.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Winkfan on October 11, 2025, 08:06:38 PM
My dream list covers 50s-60s shows - one episode each would be fine:

For Love or Money
Your Surprise Package (faint memory traces)
Double Exposure (same - remember the flashing device with the 12 lights)
Top Dollar
Jan Murray Charge Account
Make A Face

I, myself should add.....

Any Randy Merriman-hosted installments of The Big Payoff
The Big Surprise with the "Easy/Hard Questions" concept.
Dream Girl of '67
Funny Boners
(Wonder how "Webster Webfoot" could handle GS-hosting.....)
Window Shopping

And having already viewed at least one or two episodes of the following.....

Call My Bluff starring the underrated Bill Leyden
Another Don Morrow-hosted episode of Camouflage (I'd settle for Johnny Gilbert, as well)
Music Bingo
Video Village
What's This Song?


I agree with Chelsea, though. We must be lucky we got to see what's out there at all.

Cordially,
Tammy
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: TLEberle on October 11, 2025, 08:11:41 PM
I'm very, very loudly in the camp of wishing folks would appreciate more what's already out there, but if we're going to do this.
Absolutely. I despise that the definition of "lost media" has become "something I cannot see right now on the format of my choosing."

Would I love to see the early years of Sale of the Century from 83-87 in bigger chunks than what is extant? Hell yeah. Would I love to see the scandal ridden shows or the ones like BFG mentioned where the only evidence it exists is a snapshot of Ken Norton missing a put on Pro Fan? Absolutely. There's loads I would like to see. I'd love to see Super Jeopardy without a watermark, but the entire tournament is on Youtube so I will happily set aside my displeasure and enjoy the artifact.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Chief-O on October 11, 2025, 08:40:33 PM
Co-sign on ABC "Password", Kennedy "Split Second", and especially "Cross-Wits" (in CW's case, the tapes apparently *do* exist....they've just been sitting there doing nothing).

/but that can be said for almost anything Ralph Edwards did
//*especially* TorC....and that might be a good answer for this thread as well
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Blanquepage on October 11, 2025, 08:50:11 PM
While I agree with the whole being grateful business, let's be clear: one can be grateful for the plethora of what's now available while still ruminating, for fun, over what the kid in them still hopes and dreams will pop up next. I'm sure everyone here will agree that if they don"t see what's still on their wish list, c'est la vie, it's still been a ton of fun. Please don't take too far the notion of ungratefulness factoring into the question.

Re: Cross-wits: Jack Clark's version is for sure still around? I was under the impression that the tapes were missing, like Bill's Pyramid.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: BrandonFG on October 11, 2025, 09:07:23 PM
Dunno how many eps. exist but I remember seeing that reruns of Cross-Wits aired on local stations well into the early-80s. IIRC there's an ep. on the circuit that aired on a Dallas (?) station c. 1981-82.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: aaron sica on October 11, 2025, 09:29:17 PM
Dunno how many eps. exist but I remember seeing that reruns of Cross-Wits aired on local stations well into the early-80s. IIRC there's an ep. on the circuit that aired on a Dallas (?) station c. 1981-82.

Right there with you on Cross-Wits. Was always a favorite. Would also love to see more episodes of $10K, $20K (pre-1978) and Cullen $25K resurface.

Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: BrandonFG on October 11, 2025, 09:34:24 PM
the ones like BFG mentioned where the only evidence it exists is a snapshot of Ken Norton missing a put on Pro Fan? Absolutely.
Technically, there's also this pretty cool relic. I need to save the clip in case that account ever goes under.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWidA_gqg9g
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: jage on October 11, 2025, 11:31:50 PM
A few to add:
To Say the Least
3 on a Match
Remote Control, especially the middle seasons
Idiot Savants
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: TLEberle on October 11, 2025, 11:47:44 PM
While I agree with the whole being grateful business, let's be clear: one can be grateful for the plethora of what's now available while still ruminating, for fun, over what the kid in them still hopes and dreams will pop up next. .
Of course. You're much different than Ian Frame.

I think I would go with pre-1980 Pyramid.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: ChrisLambert! on October 12, 2025, 12:05:49 AM
Here's one prob not on anyones list : Lohman and Barkley's Namedroppers. Really enjoy the one ep out there.

*ears perk up*
There’s one out there?
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Blanquepage on October 12, 2025, 01:29:41 AM
Here's one prob not on anyones list : Lohman and Barkley's Namedroppers. Really enjoy the one ep out there.

*ears perk up*
There’s one out there?
Yeah, for about...20 years, I think? ;D
#129 with Bob Cummings, Ruth Buzzi, & Bob Newhart.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: steveleb on October 12, 2025, 11:31:00 AM
While I agree with the whole being grateful business, let's be clear: one can be grateful for the plethora of what's now available while still ruminating, for fun, over what the kid in them still hopes and dreams will pop up next. I'm sure everyone here will agree that if they don"t see what's still on their wish list, c'est la vie, it's still been a ton of fun. Please don't take too far the notion of ungratefulness factoring into the question.

Re: Cross-wits: Jack Clark's version is for sure still around? I was under the impression that the tapes were missing, like Bill's Pyramid.

When I literally hid out in the vault of Metromedia Producers Corporation during an uncertain summer where the fate of the company was in doubt (we were not part of the initial deal with FOX for the stations--our inclusion came months later), and I had access to a wonderful woman who had been in charge of it since the mid-70s, she told me that the master tapes had been returned to Edwards and the location of whatever bicycled copies were sent to stations were unknown. 

What you likely saw in Dallas was one of those copies from a season that somehow never fully sold into the market that all of a sudden became desirable when new independents signed on during the early 80s, and just about anything that still could be played back on film or videotape was licensed. 

I did discover the pilots for RODEO DRIVE, MOUTH TRAP and PUNCH LINES long before we got to see them and several episodes of DEFINITION--apparently MPC had had some discussions with Nicholson-Muir about an American version, or at least distributing the Canadian episodes in the US, when SUPER PAY CARDS! was up and running.  I was familiar with the show having gone to college in an upstate New York border town and I urged the management I reported into to at least explore the chance to roll out the CTV episodes to stations to improve our chances of staying employed.  Let's just say I was laughed out of the room. 
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 12, 2025, 12:48:20 PM
Re: Cross-wits: Jack Clark's version is for sure still around? I was under the impression that the tapes were missing, like Bill's Pyramid.

I don't know about Cross-Wits, but I've been told multiple times by reliable folks that master recordings of the entire run of Bill's Pyramid DO exist, but the owners don't want to go to the effort and expense of converting them.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Nick on October 12, 2025, 01:41:54 PM
After seeing The Big Showdown episode that recently dropped, I'm fascinated by the game and would love to see more.

My long-time position has been that the original Split Second and Three on a Match are two of the best game shows that have ever existed that have had the misfortune of being lost.  If I had to cap it at three, those would be my picks.

If I can add more, I join the choruses for the original Sale of the Century, Jackpot and ABC Password.

If I'm allowed to add something we know exists but just hasn't gotten the rerun treatment, then seasons 4-10 of The Price Is Right, especially 1977-1979.

I don't know about Cross-Wits, but I've been told multiple times by reliable folks that master recordings of the entire run of Bill's Pyramid DO exist, but the owners don't want to go to the effort and expense of converting them.

I recall Adam saying the whereabouts of the tapes are unknown, and that is also part of the problem, unless I misremembered.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: ScottyJ on October 12, 2025, 05:33:57 PM
Would kill to see more Dawson Masquerade Party. That show absolutely captivated me as a kid.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: BrandonFG on October 12, 2025, 05:38:20 PM
Now that I’ve had a chance to think it over, I’d add the Kelly/Garagiola-era of $ale.

Also, I loved the obscure pilots that turned up in the last year or so. One in general I’d love to see is The Letter Machine, which apparently became The $1M Chance of a Lifetime. And maybe Cash on the Line.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: MSTieScott on October 12, 2025, 09:01:03 PM
especially "Cross-Wits" (in CW's case, the tapes apparently *do* exist....they've just been sitting there doing nothing).

I don't know about the masters, but in a 2016 Mystery Science Theater 3000 DVD bonus feature about screenwriter Steven E. de Souza, he mentions his appearance as a contestant on The Cross-Wits, which is accompanied by a few seconds of footage.

(https://i.imgur.com/FqjaLGE.png)

The video quality implies it's a home recording (I'm guessing it came from Mr. de Souza). Somebody made an entry for the episode on IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0550581/), but I don't know whether this is an episode that's out in the wild. If it isn't, at least there's evidence a home copy exists.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: SRIV94 on October 12, 2025, 10:23:33 PM
Since only about half the GONG run has surfaced since 1997, that would be my choice.

All together now--"of course it would!"
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: TimK2003 on October 13, 2025, 09:35:37 AM
especially "Cross-Wits" (in CW's case, the tapes apparently *do* exist....they've just been sitting there doing nothing).

I don't know about the masters, but in a 2016 Mystery Science Theater 3000 DVD bonus feature about screenwriter Steven E. de Souza, he mentions his appearance as a contestant on The Cross-Wits, which is accompanied by a few seconds of footage.

(https://i.imgur.com/FqjaLGE.png)

The video quality implies it's a home recording (I'm guessing it came from Mr. de Souza). Somebody made an entry for the episode on IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0550581/), but I don't know whether this is an episode that's out in the wild. If it isn't, at least there's evidence a home copy exists.

Guests there:  Robert Q Lewis, Betty White and Linda Kaye Henning.  I don't recognize the celeb between the ladies.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 13, 2025, 09:51:23 AM
Guests there:  Robert Q Lewis, Betty White and Linda Kaye Henning.  I don't recognize the celeb between the ladies.

The two to the right of Betty are Leslie Nielsen and Abbe Lane.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: Mike Tennant on October 13, 2025, 11:01:44 AM
Guests there:  Robert Q Lewis, Betty White and Linda Kaye Henning.  I don't recognize the celeb between the ladies.
George Peppard?

(Edit: Matt O's response is probably the correct one.)
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: jlgarfield on October 13, 2025, 02:49:30 PM
Mine would be the first five years of the 1980s NBC $ale of the Century (the period between mid-July 1988 and the end in March 1989 + the 1 1/2 season-long syndie version notwithstanding), in addition to 1977's Second Chance, the proto-Press Your Luck.
Title: Re: "I'm still hoping for (more) episodes of this to surface..."
Post by: The Ol' Guy on October 13, 2025, 03:30:27 PM
To add one more - an episode of You're Putting Me On.