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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by JasonA1 on Today at 04:47:31 PM »
My theory on the backstories dates back to whenever NBC got the Olympics.

I make a lot of analogies between sports and game shows. I understand they're nowhere near the same level when it comes to economics. But I think a lot can be gained by treating them the same way, particularly with doing them live to tape, etc. You'd never do a pickup of a free throw because the camera was out of position. Frankly, the camera would almost NEVER be out of position in basketball, whereas on modern game shows it can be, but I digress.

To that end, I think story packages CAN have a place. To go to sports, I think they make sense at the Olympics, because the whole thing is about a long journey to one moment in time, a life spent training, etc. And I think they're OK on game shows where the action isn't too dense. Deal or No Deal is a perfect example. Sure, some countries play it a little more straight. But there's an obvious appeal in tying the big six-figure swings on a U.S. version to a compelling personal story. You're not distracting from a barrage of questions, or competition between multiple players.

But on shows that are format driven, I really start to question how much is enough when it comes to contestant chat. You shouldn't stop a football game mid-drive to show a 3-minute package about one player. People are watching for the competition. Similarly, when you've got a dense game show, I think the audience is coming for that, first and foremost. If not, why not do a talk show instead? You can still develop that sort of personal attachment on a game-heavy show organically; returning champions would be one way to do it.

If there's loads of research that says regular people won't watch regular people play a regular game no matter what, then the story-forward strategy makes sense. I just have a feeling that certain shows are making that choice for the viewers, rather than the other away around.

-Jason
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by The Ol' Guy on Today at 01:15:54 PM »
I'll toss my 2 cents in, and I may have posted this here before. Every moment that can be filled with a contestant showing off a talent, or shots of anxious relatives, or drawn-out reveals is a moment that the game isn't being played and money isn't being given away. Yeah, there's the human interest aspect, but when you're turning a good 30-minute game into an hour show, you have to cut corners everywhere you can to stay in budget. Then there's the element that always bugged me about Deal or No Deal. How many people ever took a big early offer? Makes one wonder if strongly encouraging a contestant to go on was always part of the plan. Heck...if I picked my first set of cases and the bank offered me $35,000 - I came in with nothing, so why not take it and run? Can't see DoND go through 6 contestants in an hour taking early cash grabs and staying budgetarily viable...
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by That Don Guy on Today at 11:06:08 AM »
It is missing the Melody Roulette round which was almost as signature to the brand as the Bid-a-Note round.

What surprised me the most was, when they play Spin Me Round, they don't call that "Melody Roulette" instead. It's not as if half of the audience would respond, "That's not 'real' Melody Roulette," and stop watching.

BTW, in the earliest 1970s nighttime episodes, when the first round was Pick-A-Tune instead of Money Tree, they didn't play Melody Roulette; instead, it was Cassette Roulette - the quick version: there were eight "cassettes" (actually 8-track tapes), each with a category; a contestant chose one, and a corresponding tune was played by the band; four of the categories had prizes associated with them; I think it was best of 7 tunes.
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by Neumms on Today at 02:33:27 AM »
They also draw praise for the unique film look that their foreign production makes easier.

There are places for that look. The Bachelor, for example, takes place over time and the romance might benefit from looking cinematic. Name That Tune loses so much energy, though. It’s as if they’re not even bothering to pretend it’s spontaneous.

Watching Kennedy’s version as a wee lad, I thought it was all old songs only nerds could name. With the current run, though, I can name lots of tunes. This does not make me feel youthful and vibrant.
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by Dbacksfan12 on July 25, 2024, 01:21:14 PM »
This is by far my biggest pet peeve with modern game shows. I know the producers want good Youtube content, but I also don't think people are rushing to share a clip of someone doing a cheer routine on You Bet Your Life.

To be perfectly fair, I was amused when a group in the audience on Price is Right would stand up and perform coming out of break, or something like that. There's countless examples like that on several classic shows. But on the flip side, many of those examples (most?) were genuinely impromptu. These things can be additive when done well. But they can also feel forced, and I think the audience is hip to it when it's overproduced.
I agree with you that they were more impromptu.  How many of them were selected as a contestant?  With that said, it seemed those folks were just happy getting their 30 seconds of fame.  Now, not being able to dance is one of many blocks to being a contestant.
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by JasonA1 on July 25, 2024, 01:12:57 PM »
This is by far my biggest pet peeve with modern game shows. I know the producers want good Youtube content, but I also don't think people are rushing to share a clip of someone doing a cheer routine on You Bet Your Life.

To be perfectly fair, I was amused when a group in the audience on Price is Right would stand up and perform coming out of break, or something like that. There's countless examples like that on several classic shows. But on the flip side, many of those examples (most?) were genuinely impromptu. These things can be additive when done well. But they can also feel forced, and I think the audience is hip to it when it's overproduced.

-Jason
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The Big Board / Re: Game Show Home Games/Video Games Thread
« Last post by BillCullen1 on July 25, 2024, 10:10:27 AM »
I think content would be ridiculously expensive to produce (photo clearances cost money (unless you are going wholly public-domain, and now you have to spend money doing stupid amounts of research to make sure your images ARE IN FACT public domain)), and you would need a lot of it.
I remember the game Picture Pursuit where correct answers to a Trivial Pursuit question would open one of twelve doors to reveal a portion of a picture or portrait, and the end goal was guessing the pictures. I have to imagine that pictures of real people have to be cleared. Same with the game Snapshot, except all of those were all black and white and I don't recall any specifics.

I also have Picture Pursuit and still bring it to my trivia meetup group. I use more recent editions of TP with the pics, since the original questions are almost 30 years old.
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by BillCullen1 on July 25, 2024, 10:04:53 AM »
It is missing the Melody Roulette round which was almost as signature to the brand as the Bid-a-Note round. 

I agree. I think they should have put Melody Roulette and Bid a Note as the main games but I get that the producers maybe wanted to try something new. 
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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by steveleb on July 25, 2024, 09:04:23 AM »
It is a typo.  I’m off my game.  Apologies. 

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The Big Board / Re: 2024 USA Today Game Show Articles
« Last post by Otm Shank on July 25, 2024, 04:24:57 AM »
It is missing the Melody Roulette round which was almost as signature to the brand as the Bid-a-Note round.

Too often the Bid-a-Note solution is too obvious from the wordplay of the clue. It means extra work for the writers, but the trivia element is what really sets the bidding concept in motion. If the clue has something like "this #1 tune from Prince ...." or "Rogers and Hammerstein wrote this...." and you don't have it off the clue, you bid based on your knowledge of Prince or showtunes. I will say the rebound opportunity with all the notes on a failed guess was interesting, but it did break that best-of-5 dynamic.

Unfortunately, I had to ride the fast forward button to get through an episode, and I didn't feel like binge watching, even though I really liked the 1970s and (to a lesser extent) the 1980s versions.
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