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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: SuperMatch93 on June 25, 2012, 09:18:45 PM
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From both the Jack Kelly and Joe Garagiola sets! (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=sale+of+the+century+game+show")
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That sound you heard was me fainting just a few minutes ago.
Awesome find! This is prolly one of my favorite threads in 9 years.
/Low standards?
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Mmkay, so interesting thing here.
Somewhere around here I have a paperback copy of Joe's (ghost-written by his daughter (in-law?)) autobiography, It's Anybody's Ballgame. And like most books of this type, all of the photos are gathered in a section in the middle of the book. And one of them shows Joe behind his SotC podium...but it's the one from what you guys are calling the "Jack Kelly set". So I suspect there was some overlap between Joe's tenure and the set change.
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How very late '60s.
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Great pictures. Thank you for posting, SuperMatch.
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I like how in the original version, it was a two-story set, with the bottom level (presumably) for the endgame. I guess it was because of the studio space in New York City, as opposed to Burbank, CA.
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I like how in the original version, it was a two-story set, with the bottom level (presumably) for the endgame. I guess it was because of the studio space in New York City, as opposed to Burbank, CA.
Was this the set that was allegedly chopped in half to make it into the freight elevator? Somehow, I'd think a set like that would've been a lot easier to pull off in Burbank.......even without having to travel up eight floors!
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pictures from "Snap Judgement" I don't think we've seen up as well, several in color. NBC must just be making these available.
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I like how in the original version, it was a two-story set, with the bottom level (presumably) for the endgame. I guess it was because of the studio space in New York City, as opposed to Burbank, CA.
Was this the set that was allegedly chopped in half to make it into the freight elevator? Somehow, I'd think a set like that would've been a lot easier to pull off in Burbank.......even without having to travel up eight floors!
That's the story I remember from the EOTVGS.
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Wow. I'd never seen anything related to this version outside of the home game. That two level set is very cool, and very 60s....I like it!
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pictures from "Snap Judgement" I don't think we've seen up as well, several in color. NBC must just be making these available.
I could be wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if the B&W photos are from the pilot! I believe that Betsy Palmer and Gene Rayburn were the guests on the premiere (according to EOTVGS), and from the color photo showing a backview of the game desk, there is a noticable difference, which is similar to how I'd recalled it looking.
I tried searching all kinds of game show titles, and found a good amount for shows like "Concentration," "Call My Bluff," and others. Lots of nice photos!
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I like how in the original version, it was a two-story set, with the bottom level (presumably) for the endgame. I guess it was because of the studio space in New York City, as opposed to Burbank, CA.
Was this the set that was allegedly chopped in half to make it into the freight elevator? Somehow, I'd think a set like that would've been a lot easier to pull off in Burbank.......even without having to travel up eight floors!
That's the story I remember from the EOTVGS.
I thought it was a *car* that was sawn in half to bring it up the freight elevator. The set would already have been in pieces for assembly in the studio.
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I thought it was a *car* that was sawn in half to bring it up the freight elevator. The set would already have been in pieces for assembly in the studio.
Yeah, that sounds right.
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Mmkay, so interesting thing here.
Somewhere around here I have a paperback copy of Joe's (ghost-written by his daughter (in-law?)) autobiography, It's Anybody's Ballgame. And like most books of this type, all of the photos are gathered in a section in the middle of the book. And one of them shows Joe behind his SotC podium...but it's the one from what you guys are calling the "Jack Kelly set". So I suspect there was some overlap between Joe's tenure and the set change.
Yes, there was overlap. IIRC it was several months before the change from 3 players to 2 married couples.
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one of them shows Joe behind his SotC podium...but it's the one from what you guys are calling the "Jack Kelly set". So I suspect there was some overlap between Joe's tenure and the set change.
Yes, there was overlap. IIRC it was several months before the change from 3 players to 2 married couples.
The EOTVGS explains it all.
Show debuted in September, 1969
Joe took over in August, 1971
Format changed in March, 1973
Show was cancelled in July, 1973
Show ran one season (with the couples format) in syndication in 73-74
So yeah, Joe ran the original format for a year and a half before the change, and then the couples format only lasted for four months on the network.
I have only the slightest childhood memory of the original series (one of the great Holy Grails among collectors). I remember the syndicated show a little better. In fact, had you asked me before this thread started, I would have assumed that the couples format originated with the syndicated show. I seem to remember that the syndicated version's game ended with five twenty-point toss-ups (maybe called the Century Round?) that Joe would introduce with much fanfare ("I hold in my hand the last five questions of the game..." Something like that.)
The Getty Images site is a wonderful resource for old game show pictures. Thanks for pointing out the Sale ones.
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Al Howard of Supermarket Sweep fame was the creator and EP on Sale of the Century. Ed Flesh did the set. I've enjoyed hours with these guys talking about past shows. Here's the answers:
The show was born from a desire for NBC to add a show that featured huge prizes, AND to utilize studio space and crew in New York that were not being charged back to any production at the time. Part of Al's argument for the show to originate in Burbank (his preference), was that the freight elevator at 30 Rock (built in the early 1930s) was too small for the large prizes the network wanted. NBC's response was that they would rather cut and weld prizes in New York than allow 8H to remain dark. And so they did. Car and boats were routinely cut and re-assembled.
I saw that freight elevator, and it was really small, as freight elevators go - wide, but not deep, with the familiar old accordian metal grates on the cab and the landings in lieu of doors.
When Ed went to work on a set for what was the largest broadcasting studio in America, he saw the opportunity to design the iconic two-story affair that added so much drama. The set wasn't cut - it was constructed in 8H.
And yes, this too is in the Johnny O book. ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Mike Garguilo was the original director for the show--one of his first post-Goodson-Todman gigs, as he told me. The desire for another "merchandise game" was driven by NBC's loss of Let's Make a Deal. It was a case of the network going out to producers and saying, "make me one of these." Apparently, this included the possibility of bringing back The Price Is Right.
The change to a couples format in 1973 was another reaction to the network saying, "make me one of these"--in this case, a reaction to Gambit on CBS.
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that Joe would introduce with much fanfare ("I hold in my hand the last five questions of the game..." Something like that.)
Presumably this is where Jim's "I have just three questions left..." comes from, before the advent of the Speed Round? Or was that taken from the Australian format (who could well have taken it from this?)? Or was it just a damn coincidence? :)
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[font="Arial"]Thank you so much for sharing these photos, SuperMatch93. You've struck gold.
A question, though. Was the set renovated when the format changed from three individuals to two couples, or was it sooner? The difference between them is quite striking. It's obvious that the format change wasn't the only means by which the original $ale of the [/font][font="Arial"]¢entury tried (and failed) to compete with Gambit. [/font][font="Arial"]Seems to look somewhat cheaper, though. Nowhere near as elaborate and sumptuous as the first one, but definitely a product of its time. (Have you ever seen so many peace and love motifs on a game show set?) One wonders how much Lin Bolen had to do with it.
Now, if only a kind and generous tape trader would upload one of the existing episodes of this version to You Tube...
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a number of full-color pics from "Hows Your Mother In-Law" (no, I wasn't intentionally searching them out). wins the prize for most patriotic set of all time.
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Now, if only a kind and generous tape trader would upload one of the existing episodes of this version to You Tube...
What existing episodes?
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Another interesting search..."game show pilot."
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=game+show+pilot
You got some shots of the Blockbusters pilot (with score readouts on the contestant desk), as well as some shots of Bob Barker on an unindentified NBC pilot and Geoff Edwards on an interesting looking show called Play it By Ear.
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Now, if only a kind and generous tape trader would upload one of the existing episodes of this version to You Tube...
What existing episodes?
The only ones I can think of are the five or so that exist at the Paley Center. (I asked gilmorebox if he had the intro from any, and he said no.)
I know videoarchives1000 has a non-circulating one from January 1983, but I doubt if he has any more.
Didn't someone claim to have a friend with an audio copy of an episode, only to be denied when he requested it?
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Now, if only a kind and generous tape trader would upload one of the existing episodes of this version to You Tube...
What existing episodes?
Apparently the UCLA Film & TV Archive has a few. Other than that, a guy can dream, can't he?
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This is kinda fun:
Snap Judgment Search (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=snap+judgment") - Includes some in color.
Gene Rayburn (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=gene+rayburn"), including pics of Dough Re Mi!
Call My Bluff (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=call+my+bluff+")
The Moneymaze (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=moneymaze")
Word For Word (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=merv+griffin+word+for+word")
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Apparently the UCLA Film & TV Archive has a few. Other than that, a guy can dream, can't he?
Absolutely. I've seen a lot of things, probably more than most people, but I've never seen an original SOTC in either format. I've also been to UCLA a number of times so I'm a little surprised I've never made a point of looking for it there.
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You got some shots of the Blockbusters pilot (with score readouts on the contestant desk), as well as some shots of Bob Barker on an unidentified NBC pilot and Geoff Edwards on an interesting looking show called Play it By Ear.
Cool! I'm intrigued by the Bob Barker thing. It looks for the world like it could just be another Truth or Consequences clone, but at the time he was already hosting that!
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Here's some interesting shots of Jack Barry's Tic Tac Dough (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#8) from 1956. There's behind the scenes shots of the rotating category board too!
And Brains & Brawn (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#11), 1958.
Very obscure, from 1958 too, Lucky Partners (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#12), around the middle. Lower on the page, we find a nice wide shot of the set of Twenty-One (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/host-jack-berry-and-contestant-charles-van-doren-stand-news-photo/2129109), 1956, and lower on the page, The Big Surprise (pic, 1957), Name That Tune (pic, 1957), $64,000 Question (pics, 1957)
And a colored promo pic of The $64,000 Question's (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/emcee-hal-march-stands-inside-a-television-studio-holding-a-news-photo/1818131) booth w/Hal March.
Some Quiz Kids (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&assetType=image&excludenudity=false&p=quiz+kids#11), 1944 pictures.
In the middle of the page, Americana (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#13) from 1948, and Strike It Rich 1951 pic.
NOW, let's see if someone uncovers set photos of The Wizard Of Odds.
EDIT #gazillion: By the way, what is this picture from The Newlywed Game (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/premier-misc-which-aired-on-july-11-1966-bob-eubanks-news-photo/98753823)? Pilot picture for promo purposes, or the series' first set?
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I can see what I'll be doing when I get home from work. I searched "game show" and went to page 230, going backwards. Already saw shots from Jackpot's first week (indicating the display behind Geoff initially mirrored the Jackpot amount), color shots of the first Newlywed Game set, color shots from Concentration, promo stills from Classic Concentration, $20,000 Pyramid stuff, and boatloads more.
-Jason
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Here's some interesting shots of Jack Barry's Tic Tac Dough (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#8") from 1956. There's behind the scenes shots of the rotating category board too!
The photo of the board from behind fascinates me. Building and maintaining it must've been quite a feat of engineering. It'd be great to hear the story from whoever created it. Now, if there were photos somewhere of the other side of the original Concentration and Jeopardy! boards, you'd have to peel me off the floor.
NOW, let's see if someone uncovers set photos of The Wizard Of Odds.
What a rare and treasured find THAT would be! As would some pix of Baffle, The Who What or Where Game and the first run of High Rollers for that matter.
Thanks for the share.
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Considering I haven't seen this set in about 40 years, when I used to watch this almost daily due to being in afternoon kindergarten, I just gotta say, WOW!! And thank you.
You know how on the lower level, they have the name of the show on what appear to be vertical panels? Were those rotating, vertical trilons, used to display a non-physical prize like a trip? You used to see outdoor billboards like these that rotated 3 displays every few seconds, especially near airports. Maybe that's why I had a game show deja vu when I used to see those billboards.
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Considering I haven't seen this set in about 40 years, when I used to watch this almost daily due to being in afternoon kindergarten, I just gotta say, WOW!! And thank you.
You know how on the lower level, they have the name of the show on what appear to be vertical panels? Were those rotating, vertical trilons, used to display a non-physical prize like a trip? You used to see outdoor billboards like these that rotated 3 displays every few seconds, especially near airports. Maybe that's why I had a game show deja vu when I used to see those billboards.
My guess is that those were blinds, similar to the doors on The All-New Let's Make a Deal.
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I like how in the original version, it was a two-story set, with the bottom level (presumably) for the endgame.
That's correct; the lower level was where the endgame took place. Though it wasn't really a "game" per se, because by that point, the game on the show had already been won. The host walked the contestant down the stairs, and (at least as far as I remember) they were shown 3 or 4 different prizes. Sometimes you could see part of the audience applauding next to the displayed prize, suggesting that space was tight there. The only decision the contestant had to make was to pick which prize they wanted. They were given "...30 seconds, to make up your mind". We then heard this crazy rhythmic "think music", and every second a different prize was cued onscreen, in time with the music. (Someone posted a link to a clip of this same music in this very group, though that one only lasted 10 seconds.) It seemed like every time, they picked the trip as their prize -- which confused me as a tyke; I'd have rather had "something" than to just travel somewhere and back, especially when one of the prizes included a model train set. But I think they had to win the following episode to collect the prize they chose. Hence the catchphrase: "You must come back and you must win."
When there was a champion on the show, I think they sat in the podium to the far right. At the start of the show, the champ had a circular label displaying their previous days winnings over the right side of their name light; the host always asked them to "put it down" (think of a mailbox flag) out of sight, before gameplay started.
About halfway through each show, there was a short game which I think involved 3 studio audience members. You had 3 people behind podiums similar to the ones the regular players used. The announcer would introduce each one followed by "today on it's contestants" (at least that's what I thought I heard him say ). Details are sketchy, but my best recollection is that they got to bid on a prize, TPiR style, because the host specifically said "without going over". It was not clear to me where on the stage this whole sequence took place. Temporary podiums downstairs, perhaps?
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You know how on the lower level, they have the name of the show on what appear to be vertical panels? Were those rotating, vertical trilons, used to display a non-physical prize like a trip? You used to see outdoor billboards like these that rotated 3 displays every few seconds, especially near airports. Maybe that's why I had a game show deja vu when I used to see those billboards.
You're right; that's what that was. Usually it was used for introducing trips or similar prizes that needed a visual.
About the same time that Sale went to the couples set, Carson moved to Burbank and had a similar board behind the band on his set, later used on News 4 LA. (http://"http://www.eyesofageneration.com/media/images/TK44/tk441.jpg"). Wonder if it was the same one?
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ActualRetailMike, in the photo where a fur coat is offered as an instant bargain (image #14621540 (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/pictured-host-jack-kelly-co-host-model-madelyn-sanders-news-photo/146215401")), two of the contestants have a little number 3 in front of them. Do you remember was that was for?
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But I think they had to win the following episode to collect the prize they chose. Hence the catchphrase: "You must come back and you must win."
I've never seen the show, but based on the home game rules I would guess that they could buy that prize at the given bargain price if they had won enough money on the show to do so. However, if the home game's average daily winnings-to-average bargain price ratio are similar to those on the show, a contestant would almost never win enough on one show to buy a prize. Thus, he would have to return and win to have a chance to buy it with his combined winnings.
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Major caption error on this one: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/pictured-unknown-with-host-peter-marshall-photo-by-ron-tom-news-photo/140899565
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Major caption error on this one: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/pictured-unknown-with-host-peter-marshall-photo-by-ron-tom-news-photo/140899565
Yeah, when you get one that wrong you suddenly start questioning the details on any of them.
BTW, how many of us can identify all five of the faces in that picture? (I admit I don't recognize the girl.)
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Major caption error on this one: http://www.gettyimag...photo/140899565 (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/pictured-unknown-with-host-peter-marshall-photo-by-ron-tom-news-photo/140899565")
Yeah, when you get one that wrong you suddenly start questioning the details on any of them.
BTW, how many of us can identify all five of the faces in that picture? (I admit I don't recognize the girl.)
Hosts: John Bauman and Gene Rayburn
Visible Panelists: Jimmie Walker (top), Skip Stephenson (bottom)
"The Girl": Twyla Littleton. She has an IMDB credit for the MGHS Hour (http://"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0514757/filmoyear").
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Congratulations to Jon Bauman, some shlub couldn't be bothered to do a bit of research to find out who you were.
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"The Girl": Twyla Littleton. She has an IMDB credit for the MGHS Hour (http://"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0514757/filmoyear").
Oh, I remember Twyla. I was a twenty-something single guy when she was playing "girl in bikini" in every TV series that found itself needing a girl in a bikini. I just couldn't make out her nameplate.
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If you're searching all over Getty Images, don't forget to check out Corbis as well: http://www.corbisimages.com. Some duplicates, but also some unique pictures as well.
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pictures from "Snap Judgement" I don't think we've seen up as well, several in color. NBC must just be making these available.
I'm liking the "Snap Judgment" pics. Although I watched the show as often as I could "back in the day", I haven't seen much of it since.
I do have Ed McMahon's autograph, though, on the SJ page of my EoTVGS.
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I have no clue, as to how Getty Images works. Obviously, we're not buying photographic prints. But it also looks as though we wouldn't be allowed to purchase and download images, and then put them up on, say, Facebook.
Anyone know?
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Anyone know?
Getty and Corbis license their images for commercial use. They do not sell the rights or the pictures, full stop. If you want to use the image for some commercial purpose (or on your website or something) you pay them money and you are then licensed to do so for a certain amount of time, and they will want to know what you plan to use the image for so they can sell you the proper license. I would further guess that in said license, redistribution of the image (say, uploading it to Facebook) would be way verboten.
"Okay, so say I uploaded the image to my website, under license, and people grabbed it from there? Surely I can't stop that, can I?" Well, no. But rest assured they are watermarked to hell and back, and if someone grabs it and tries to use it for commercial purposes down the road, they will be able to tell that a) they're using it illegally and b) who they got it from.
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Well, I had a turn at digging around over there and found this photo of Janice Pennington: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/janice-pennington-news-photo/116713113
I think a lot of us are already aware of the book on the left, but is anyone familiar with the one on the right? Apparently it's titled "The Price Has Always Been Right." I can't find anything other than an ATGS post about it from 1994. Anyone have any idea about this?
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Here's Gene Rayburn with Cuckoo, Friend, and Ollie... :)
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/onboard-the-liberte-ocean-liner-pictured-radio-and-tv-news-photo/140777951
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Here's some interesting shots of Jack Barry's Tic Tac Dough (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#8") from 1956. There's behind the scenes shots of the rotating category board too!
The photo of the board from behind fascinates me. Building and maintaining it must've been quite a feat of engineering. It'd be great to hear the story from whoever created it. Now, if there were photos somewhere of the other side of the original Concentration and Jeopardy! boards, you'd have to peel me off the floor.
I suspect it was the brainchild of Ted Cooper.
Who is the man addressing the audience with the blackboard that says "6B" in the background? I don't think that's Jack Barry.
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Who is the man addressing the audience with the blackboard that says "6B" in the background? I don't think that's Jack Barry.
Just a guess, but could it be Don Pardo?
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I think a lot of us are already aware of the book on the left, but is anyone familiar with the one on the right? Apparently it's titled "The Price Has Always Been Right."
Looks to me like it says "The Price Hasn't Always Been Right: The Secrets Behind The Price Is Right Game Show." Maybe some sort of tell-all that got blocked?
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"The Girl": Twyla Littleton.
Oh, I remember Twyla. I was a twenty-something single guy when she was playing "girl in bikini" in every TV series that found itself needing a girl in a bikini. I just couldn't make out with her nameplate.
Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
Indeed you did.
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What the heck?
$100,000 Shower of Money (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/episode-15-air-date-pictured-host-peter-marshall-unknown-news-photo/141180531")
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I think a lot of us are already aware of the book on the left, but is anyone familiar with the one on the right? Apparently it's titled "The Price Has Always Been Right."
Looks to me like it says "The Price Hasn't Always Been Right: The Secrets Behind The Price Is Right Game Show." Maybe some sort of tell-all that got blocked?
Ms. Pennington had started working on a book, with that working title, and mentioned it in a brief interview with Wink Martindale, on his 1987 special, "The Game Show Biz." Within one year, she had her unfortunate accident on the set of TPIR, and then later she'd focused on writing the book on the search for her long-lost and presumed dead husband (Fritz), and it sold very well.
I had met her at a signing of the paperback version of her book, and I asked about her other book, TPHABR, and she'd told me it was to come out the following year, but it never did!
Supposedly, a memoir by former Barker's Beauty, Kathleen Bradley is at least in the works, now!
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What the heck?
$100,000 Shower of Money (http://"http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/episode-15-air-date-pictured-host-peter-marshall-unknown-news-photo/141180531")
Likely a promotional stunt on "Hollywood Squares."
-Jason
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Likely a promotional stunt on "Hollywood Squares."
Interesting, because that was also a yearly stunt on Concentration; there's a photo of the same cash book in the Classic Concentration book.
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Who is the man addressing the audience with the blackboard that says "6B" in the background? I don't think that's Jack Barry.
Just a guess, but could it be Don Pardo?
I'm going to hazard a guess: Bill McCord?
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Looks to me like it says "The Price Hasn't Always Been Right: The Secrets Behind The Price Is Right Game Show." Maybe some sort of tell-all that got blocked?
I seriously doubt that seeing it was 1994 and she was still working on the show and there a photos from the same event showing Barker present.
Ms. Pennington had started working on a book, with that working title, and mentioned it in a brief interview with Wink Martindale, on his 1987 special, "The Game Show Biz." Within one year, she had her unfortunate accident on the set of TPIR, and then later she'd focused on writing the book on the search for her long-lost and presumed dead husband (Fritz), and it sold very well.
I had met her at a signing of the paperback version of her book, and I asked about her other book, TPHABR, and she'd told me it was to come out the following year, but it never did!
Supposedly, a memoir by former Barker's Beauty, Kathleen Bradley is at least in the works, now!
Hmm, that's interesting but it appears that at this signing from 1994 she is selling the second book as well. What gives?
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Likely a promotional stunt on "Hollywood Squares."
Interesting, because that was also a yearly stunt on Concentration; there's a photo of the same cash book in the Classic Concentration book.
Observe. (http://"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Concentration_money_shower_1972.JPG") It looks like the same exact contraption, name and all, but with a different sign.
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It's hard to imagine dinky studio 6B is where it all started for Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, and 6A for Letterman.
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It's hard to imagine dinky studio 6B is where it all started for Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, and 6A for Letterman.
And Milton Berle and a bunch of other iconic shows. Mostly 3-camera shoots. While today's state-of-the-art, 12-camera facilities turn out... whatever it is they turn out.
Always loved the low-tech little wooden shelves along the walls in 6B, that look like something your father would build, that held the TV monitors for the audience. Of course they were all RCA TVs, and all set to channel 4, despite their direct feed.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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I'm surprised Berle didn't originate from a theater, as tiny as those 6th floor studios are.
Play Your Hunch was in 6B and Say When!! in 6A, according to a Mr. Skutch. Jack Paar's Tonight Show was in 6B; I wonder if Merv's daytime NBC show was in there, too. I love the way the organ and piano are clinging to the side wall of the studio. I wonder if that's Paul Taubman at the keyboard.
Speaking of Mr. Skutch, his daughter took a picture of the mechanical (Narz version) Concentration board from the rear. The picture hung outside his office. Other than seeing the vertical tubes around which the trilons spun and seeing the rebus squares in backwards order, it was none too spectacular as the works (motors and solenoids) were contained inside the trilons.
Randy: would you recognize Bill McCord if you saw a picture of him?
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I wonder what the contestant's buzzer sounded like (on the original $ale).
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... Play Your Hunch was in 6B and Say When!! in 6A, according to a Mr. Skutch. Jack Paar's Tonight Show was in 6B; I wonder if Merv's daytime NBC show was in there, too. I love the way the organ and piano are clinging to the side wall of the studio. I wonder if that's Paul Taubman at the keyboard....
... Randy: would you recognize Bill McCord if you saw a picture of him?
Paar's Tonight Show shared 6B with Play Your Hunch. One afternoon Paar came in a bit early, took a shortcut to his office, and walked on stage in the middle of Merv's show! Merv made magic of Paar's unplanned walk-on, and so impressed Paar with his adlibbing that Merv became a fill-in for Paar. It advanced his career greatly to where he was seriously considered for the gig before Carson finally said "yes" to the Tonight Show.
I'm trying to ID that announcer in the photo, doing warm-up for Tic Tac Dough in 6B. There's not enough face for me to recognize Bill McCord, but his son might recognize his dad. Can anyone get the photo to Billy Vera?
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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EDIT #gazillion: By the way, what is this picture from The Newlywed Game (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/premier-misc-which-aired-on-july-11-1966-bob-eubanks-news-photo/98753823)? Pilot picture for promo purposes, or the series' first set?
That is from an untaped demo game that was done for an audience of entirely invited guests, mostly ABC executives and personnel, to show them how the game worked. They were so dazzled by the demo that they picked up the show without even doing a pilot episode.
And by the way, take another look at that photo. Husband #1: Dom DeLuise.
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I did a search for Jan Murray and some great color pics of "Funny You Should Ask," on which Jan was a panelist came up. What a treasure trove! Thank's to the OP. Pop in Garagiola and you get some b&W pics of Joe's "Memory Game."
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I wonder what the contestant's buzzer sounded like (on the original $ale).
FWIW, I remember a buzzer sound something like the time's up buzzer from the original TTTT.
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EDIT #gazillion: By the way, what is this picture from The Newlywed Game (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/premier-misc-which-aired-on-july-11-1966-bob-eubanks-news-photo/98753823")? Pilot picture for promo purposes, or the series' first set?
That is from an untaped demo game that was done for an audience of entirely invited guests, mostly ABC executives and personnel, to show them how the game worked. They were so dazzled by the demo that they picked up the show without even doing a pilot episode.
I can believe that, but then what explains the minor set change from square openings for the score readouts (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/show-coverage-which-aired-on-september-17-1970-bob-eubanks-news-photo/98754010") to the more familiar circular ones (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/bob-eubanks-gallery-which-aired-on-april-23-1970-bob-news-photo/98754432")? That's the sort of thing that usually changes between pilot and air shows, no?
Don't rely upon Getty's dates; they're often wrong.
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Well, it seems both sets were used during the show's run. There were a few more cosmetic changes, such as:
1966 to 196(9)
- Trees decor behind players
- Empty arch grids behind-top of players
- NG intro logo in a box
- Eubanks wearing suit with NG badge
- White/black text logo behind Eubanks
- Grid sides on chappel lectern
- Pink curtains w/thick tree branch patterns
- No big win music
196(9) to later
- No trees decor behind players
- Partially filled grids behind-top of players
- NG intro logo attached to horizontal wood stilts
- Eubanks wearing ordinary suits
- Blue/white text logo behind Eubanks
- Blue sided chappel lectern
- Yellow curtains w/thinner tree branch patterns
- Added big win music
There's no YouTube episodes of NG b/w the years 1966-1969, so guessing when they changed it I can't say. The picture from GettyImages shows different couples from the one on Youtube, and since a pilot wasn't made, there must have been lots more episodes made with that grid-y set.
As to why? Beats me, maybe it made the set less white, plain, & gridded.
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I can believe that, but then what explains the minor set change from square openings for the score readouts (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/show-coverage-which-aired-on-september-17-1970-bob-eubanks-news-photo/98754010") to the more familiar circular ones (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/bob-eubanks-gallery-which-aired-on-april-23-1970-bob-news-photo/98754432")? That's the sort of thing that usually changes between pilot and air shows, no?
Don't rely upon Getty's dates; they're often wrong.
There's an episode from the third week of the series circulating (YouTube here (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwIpqfVMbgo")) with the square score displays.
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Here's some other finds:
From the 1940s, it's Missus Goes A Shopping (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/american-television-host-john-reed-king-interviews-female-news-photo/57648049).
Dream House (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=dream+house+darrow#) with Mike Darrow, 1968. Color pictures included.
Treasure Isle (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=John+Bartholomew+Tucker#), just of the host and some set pieces.
A few more Treasure Hunt (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=treasure+hunt#6) pictures of the 1950s, near the bottom middle section.
There's this photo (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/pictured-brooke-shields-bob-hope-photo-by-nbcu-photo-bank-news-photo/140953229) with Bob Hope, tagged with the keyword "game show", though don't know what it could be.
There's also one with Betty White (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/pictured-actress-betty-white-as-a-celebrity-contestant-on-a-news-photo/141225384) in this panel.
Pictures from Hollywood Squares' 1980s set-up, It's Anybody's Guess, & All-Star Secrets (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=nbc+%22game+show%22#38).
And more '50s stuff. Masquerade Party (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=nbc+%22game+show%22#41) set pictures near the bottom.
Split Personality (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=%22split+personality%22#3) with Tom Poston. Looks crampped in there.
Fred Allen (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=fred+allen#11) on Judge For Yourself, and other assortments.
A couple of Say When!! (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=%22say+when%22#3) pictures at the bottom.
And with Bud Collyer, it's Break The Bank (http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=%22break+the+bank%22#2).
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There's this photo (http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/pictured-brooke-shields-bob-hope-photo-by-nbcu-photo-bank-news-photo/140953229) with Bob Hope, tagged with the keyword "game show", though don't know what it could be.
If I'm making a guess, it is likely from one of numerous Bob Hope Specials on NBC. I seem to remember Brooke Shields was a frequent guest on those specials.
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Here's some interesting shots of Jack Barry's Tic Tac Dough (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#8") from 1956. There's behind the scenes shots of the rotating category board too!
The photo of the board from behind fascinates me. Building and maintaining it must've been quite a feat of engineering. It'd be great to hear the story from whoever created it. Now, if there were photos somewhere of the other side of the original Concentration and Jeopardy! boards, you'd have to peel me off the floor.
Back in the '70s, NBC had a Saturday Morning kids show called "Go". No, not the game show, this was a show that took its cameras to various places of interest. One show went behind the scenes at NBC and they showed the "Jeopardy!" board from the rear, with guys quickly lifting the money and answer cards out of their slots as the contestants called them.
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To whomever wanted to see rare pictures of the 1974 and 1978 versions of High Rollers, here you go:
http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=High+Rollers+game+show#8
Ask and ye shall receive!
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The pictures of the contestants at the main game area doesn't appear to be much different from the 1978-1980 era, other than the fact that they're sitting down, instead of standing up.
Unless, of course, the pictures of them sitting down are from the pilot for the 1978 revival.
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I seem to remember Brooke Shields was a frequent guest on those specials.
Off my lawn.
Yeah, I don't see any way that's from a game show. I wouldn't be surprised if Bob dropped by a game or two in his career. At some point, I think he just wandered the halls at NBC Burbank looking for shows to be on. But a posed shot with him and Brooke has to be promoting one of the umpteen specials they did together in the eighties.
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The pictures of the contestants at the main game area doesn't appear to be much different from the 1978-1980 era, other than the fact that they're sitting down, instead of standing up.
Sure looks to me like those pictures ARE from the 1978-80 era. The dice table's a lot shorter in the picture where Ruta has her back to the camera.
I figure the color ones are all from the revival.
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But in some of those 1978-1980 era photos, the contestants are seated. I don't remember them doing that during that era of the show. Could they be from very early on in the series?
Here's a promo for the premieres of CS '78 and HR '78 (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWfDQnfGf4Y")
On a side note, I'd love to see the original 74-76 HR one day. If I'm not mistaken, at least two episodes are available for viewing somewhere.
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On a side note, I'd love to see the original 74-76 HR one day. If I'm not mistaken, at least two episodes are available for viewing somewhere.
I saw one at the Museum of TV and Radio in NYC. There might be one at UCLA.
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But in some of those 1978-1980 era photos, the contestants are seated. I don't remember them doing that during that era of the show. Could they be from very early on in the series?
I'm sure I've seen at least one episode on the Tubes where they were sitting- maybe it was just like TJW when it came back, everyone sat at first but by a certain point everybody was standing.
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UCLA has the 2nd pilot for the 1978 revival in their collection. I'm not sure if the contestants were seated in that one, either.
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UCLA has the 2nd pilot for the 1978 revival in their collection. I'm not sure if the contestants were seated in that one, either.
Well, there would be only one way to find out, wouldn't there?
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FYI....there are some off air or network feed recordings at the Cincinnati Historical Society, mainly of NBC daytime. My guess is they were part of tapes WLWT donated, along with Paul Dixon and Bob Braun shows and excerpts. I seem to recall more than a few seconds of HR and Hollywood Squares sprinkled within them.
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I seem to remember Brooke Shields was a frequent guest on those specials.
Off my lawn.
If I remembered Brooke Shields on Bob Hope's specials from 30 years ago, wouldn't others have to get off my lawn? ;-) Given the drought-like weather, it's more like getting off of my dirt pit at this point...
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The High Rollers thing isn't that hard. The contestants always sat down on the Trebek version, and stood up to roll the dice in the revival. Observe. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-PU1mC4PU") Chris is right insofar as the color pictures I could punch up were from 78-80, and the black & whites were all from the first run.
-Jason
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Unless, of course, the pictures of them sitting down are from the pilot for the 1978 revival.
Well, the second one isn't, at least, because Ruta's there playing croupier. (At least, I think that's sufficient evidence.)
EDIT: Oh, and rolling dice. Note the table faces her and the contesti are sitting along the long side.
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At some point, I think he just wandered the halls at NBC Burbank looking for shows to be on.
You've got him confused with Scatman Crothers. Seriously. Scatman used to hang out at NBC, roaming around, schmoozing with the guards. We'd finish taping at 6 pm and there he'd be.
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To whomever wanted to see rare pictures of the 1974 and 1978 versions of High Rollers, here you go:
http://www.gettyimag...ers+game+show#8 (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=High+Rollers+game+show#8")
Ask and ye shall receive!
That would be me. Thank you very much. :)
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The High Rollers thing isn't that hard. The contestants always sat down on the Trebek version, and stood up to roll the dice in the revival. Observe. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-PU1mC4PU") Chris is right insofar as the color pictures I could punch up were from 78-80, and the black & whites were all from the first run.
-Jason
And the more I thought of it the more I couldn't remember any time where I saw the contestants standing either...so thank you, Jason, for confirming that I know way too much minutiae about things. :)
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Here's some interesting shots of Jack Barry's Tic Tac Dough (http://"http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=quiz+show#8") from 1956. There's behind the scenes shots of the rotating category board too!
The photo of the board from behind fascinates me. Building and maintaining it must've been quite a feat of engineering. It'd be great to hear the story from whoever created it. Now, if there were photos somewhere of the other side of the original Concentration and Jeopardy! boards, you'd have to peel me off the floor.
Back in the '70s, NBC had a Saturday Morning kids show called "Go". No, not the game show, this was a show that took its cameras to various places of interest. One show went behind the scenes at NBC and they showed the "Jeopardy!" board from the rear, with guys quickly lifting the money and answer cards out of their slots as the contestants called them.
That particular episode would be a real treat to see. I can only guess, however, that the master tapes of many Saturday morning children's shows were probably also subject to mass erasure back then, weren't they?
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That particular episode would be a real treat to see. I can only guess, however, that the master tapes of many Saturday morning children's shows were probably also subject to mass erasure back then, weren't they?
Probably a whole lot less likely, since that content had already proven itself to have value on a secondary market.