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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2025, 10:08:38 PM »
We just an oral history interview with Bob Hilton for the Strong Museum and it's scheduled to be released over the summer. Bob Hilton tells a completely different story of why Bob Barker didn't/couldn't host T or C anymore.

Cool!  I’ve always felt bad for Bob that his two best—only?—shots at hosting were both replacing legends on really difficult shows. He was also really good announcing the nighttime pilots.

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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2025, 10:26:24 PM »
Here's a vote FOR Bill on Blockbusters. IMO, he hit the perfect pace. Bill's folksy banter and deliberate pacing in question reading gave you dashes of suspense broken up with a quip. If it were a speed game, it could be a bit overwhelming. I'd call it Bill's last hurrah, because I'm with those who felt he was a poor choice for JOKER, and even Pyramid, where the host should get out of the way and let let the teams generate the excitement.

Agreed re: Blockbusters. Bill's humor was what made my dad watch the series in its entirety -- multiple times -- when GSN was running it. I stumbled across it on Buzzr the other day, and my wife had a similar reaction.
I had a friend with an inverse reaction to your dad's.  His comment was to the effect of:  "Why doesn't the old [dude] just shut up?"
It might have been producer direction. Given that the show is giving away six grand on the regular the only way to give away less money is to slow it down. Part of the charm is the known host who is friendly and tells silly jokes so it isn't really a surprise that you're going to get puns and nonsense.

Jim's lead-out jokes were obviously written ahead of time with the question setting up the punch line, but it is something I still look forward too even thirty years later.
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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2025, 10:31:03 PM »
One of the things that's interesting about threads like this is the way some of the examples expose people's preferences for game vs. show in the cover-all "game show" title.

Someone like Bill Cullen (and Bill Rafferty, honestly) on Blockbusters or Bert Convy on Super Password wasn't going to move the game along at an even remotely quick clip, but damned if they weren't entertaining. Getting into a tangent about a contestant's stamp collection. Celebrities wanting to play a prank on Bert. Bill Rafferty's soapboxing after the seventh "Mary Ellen's advice" question in a row.  Not everyone wants every Q&A to be some rapid-fire Jeopardy-like spectacle, nor every word game to be an endless barrage of clues and words.

For me, without Bill investing a significant amount of charm - precisely by slowing things down and actually getting into conversations with the contestants or making quips or telling a story - the show starts to feel VERY same-y very fast. 

Bill's very next show after it, Child's Play, is honestly an exemplar of why sometimes style (in this case 'laid back') matters over substance: The first 80% of the show is essentially Legally Distinct Kids Say the Darndest Things reworked as a guessing game. It's slow, a paper-thin format ("guess what the kids said, get points"), it's prone to wild tangents or just 20 seconds of laughter, it's just a light but fine time that's made utterly delightful 50% by Bill and 50% by the kids. Then you get to the bonus game.   The first bonus game was requiring Bill to do an almost Whew-like speedreading of transcripts of kids' definitions - well past even what Blockbusters asked in the Gold Run - so the contestants could match 6 in 45. Not only is Bill squarely not in his element, but the show itself actually feels weird here because of the abrupt tone shift in the game. Fundamentally, it's very much 'game' over 'show' and is a disaster.  The change to the Turnabout bonus was a godsend. Adults having to give definitions to a (somewhat curated) selection of the kids is a FANTASTIC gameplay hook, you still keep the bonus game timer but you keep the game out of it, and having the adults and kids means you still keep a little of the fun.

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Also again, subjective tastes and not wanting to steamroll opinions - but it is fascinating to read a thread speaking complimentary of Rich Fields on TPiR and with others knocking George Gray.  George's arrival to the show at the end of 2010 is almost the EXACT point where the show seems to settle in and shift from whatever the post-Roger-firing era was into something enjoyable, and at this point I firmly think he's the show's 2nd best announcer after Johnny. He can announce, he can co-host, he can model, he can sometimes do more than one of these things at once, and he's supposedly great to work with.  Yes, a better announcer than Rod, who was more of a character but had a lot of difficulties as an announcer especially the last few years of his life. And orders of magnitude better than Rich, who started off okay in 2004 but quickly turned into a genuine mess.  No willingness to react to anything going around him - and while that might have been what someone like Roger or an 80-something Barker were after, he makes for bad TV, often grating copy reads, and he is left sticking out like a sore thumb as the show changes around him in 2008-10.

(Edited to clarify some wording re: Child's Play)
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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2025, 05:48:30 AM »
One of the things that's interesting about threads like this is the way some of the examples expose people's preferences for game vs. show in the cover-all "game show" title.

Someone like Bill Cullen (and Bill Rafferty, honestly) on Blockbusters or Bert Convy on Super Password wasn't going to move the game along at an even remotely quick clip, but damned if they weren't entertaining. Getting into a tangent about a contestant's stamp collection. Celebrities wanting to play a prank on Bert. Bill Rafferty's soapboxing after the seventh "Mary Ellen's advice" question in a row.  Not everyone wants every Q&A to be some rapid-fire Jeopardy-like spectacle, nor every word game to be an endless barrage of clues and words.

For me, without Bill investing a significant amount of charm - precisely by slowing things down and actually getting into conversations with the contestants or making quips or telling a story - the show starts to feel VERY same-y very fast. 

Bill's very next show after it, Child's Play, is honestly an exemplar of this: The first 80% of the show is essentiallyLegally Distinct Kids Say the Darndest Things reworked as a guessing game. It's slow, it's prone to wild tangents or just 20 seconds of laughter, it's just a light but fine time...until you get to the bonus game.   The first bonus game was requiring Bill to do an almost Whew-like speedreading of transcripts of kids' definitions - well past even what Blockbusters asked in the Gold Run - so the contestants could match 6 in 45. Not only is Bill squarely not in his element, but the show itself actually feels weird here because of the abrupt tone shift in the game (the change to the Turnabout bonus was a godsend). Adults having to give definitions to a (somewhat curated) selection of the kids is a FANTASTIC gameplay hook, you still keep the bonus game timer but you keep the game out of it, and having the adults and kids means you still keep a little of the fun.

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Also again, subjective tastes and not wanting to steamroll opinions - but it is fascinating to read a thread speaking complimentary of Rich Fields on TPiR and with others knocking George Gray.  George's arrival to the show at the end of 2010 is almost the EXACT point where the show seems to settle in and shift from whatever the post-Roger-firing era was into something enjoyable, and at this point I firmly think he's the show's 2nd best announcer after Johnny. He can announce, he can co-host, he can model, he can sometimes do more than one of these things at once, and he's supposedly great to work with.  Yes, a better announcer than Rod, who was more of a character but had a lot of difficulties as an announcer especially the last few years of his life. And orders of magnitude better than Rich, who started off okay in 2004 but quickly turned into a genuine mess.  No willingness to react to anything going around him - and while that might have been what someone like Roger or an 80-something Barker were after, he makes for bad TV, often grating copy reads, and he is left sticking out like a sore thumb as the show changes around him in 2008-10.

You summed up my sentiments exactly.  Thank you!

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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2025, 12:43:20 PM »
Seconded on what Chelsea said regarding Uncle Bill.

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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2025, 01:16:31 PM »
I think *any* established host would've been a bad fit for 3's a Crowd. Watching Jim try to play the part of the instigator makes me somewhat cringe, nowadays.
Lohman or Barkley would've been much more suitable. Heck, maybe it was a missed opportunity to give The Unknown Comic his own show, I'd have watched  ;D
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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2025, 12:17:25 PM »

Mine: Gene Wood when he filled in on "The Price is Right" after Johnny O passed away. I love Gene in just about everything else he did......But he did not fit in at all on Price.

Agreed, 100%!  He didn't seem as energetic on TPIR as just about every other show he announced on.  When watching the ending of TPIR episode where Bob Barker mentioned Johnny O's death, I looked at my sister and said to her how I wondered TPIR (nighttime w/Tom Kennedy) was going to be with no Bob Barker AND no Johnny Olsen!!

IMO, a couple of other shows Gene Wood announced on, but did not seem to fit into, Love Connection and Bruce Forsythe's Hot Streak.


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« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2025, 12:29:53 PM »
Think about what goes in to announcing a lot of Gene's 'better' shows:  Introduction, MAYBE one or two plugs for a single prize, maybe a ticket or contestant plug, and then the end of show plugs.  That's it (at least within the episode itself).  And yes that's over 5-7 tapings, but still, there are stretches of downtime.

The announcer on The Price is Right - especially in the pre-edit/ADR era - does. not. stop.  Introduction trying to belt out four names over a screaming audience, host intro, copy for six one-bids, copy for six pricing game feature prizes. Five more player introductions. Some games have 2/3/4 prizes. Some games have up to six grocery or small prizes on top of THAT. Six games per show.  Plus ticket/consolation plugs.  Plus showcases with multiple-prize copy and sometimes the announcer is IN the thing.  (Plus, mentioning George again, with the reduction to the number of models sometimes he even models prizes too - although at least he has post-production help that his predecesors didn't)

And from 1975 until Barker's health issues in 1999, it was standard to do two shows per day. Gene had to do more, in a shorter window, in two episodes of Price is Right than he did in seven Family Feud episodes (or five Card Sharks), and he was never at any point suited to change gears rapidly like the show requires, and by the 80s his health was beginning to worsen a bit so he didn't quite have the stamina for it besides.

I was REALLY hoping the Barker Era streaming channel would drop a new batch of 1986 episodes as I really want to see Bob Hilton's run at announcing in it's entirety. The couple episodes I have from his audition, I'd have hired him on the spot. I know "Bob and Bob" would probably pivot between confusing, frustrating, and funny - but I really liked what I heard.

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Re: Bad fits for established hosts/announcers
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2025, 12:32:52 PM »
IMO, a couple of other shows Gene Wood announced on, but did not seem to fit into, Love Connection and Bruce Forsythe's Hot Streak.

Agree on the non-fit, but the way he said LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVVVVVVVVVVV CONNECTION still makes me laugh.

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« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2025, 01:28:21 PM »
Which is why i admire the old school NBC voices like Don Pardo, Roger Tuttle, Wayne Howell, Bill Wendell, Mel Brandt, Jack Costello etc.  in the pre-edit/ADR era- Introduction, MAYBE one or two plugs for a single prize, maybe a ticket or contestant plug, and then the end of show plugs. A lot less work than what George Gray does now on Price. Pardo and Tuttle both did Price in the 60s, and it was much like now, expect copy for 4 bid rounds and sometimes bonus prizes (although Bill Cullen would do the copy rather than Pardo for those). Jay Stewart or Wendell Niles were in the same boat though on LMAD too much like the announcer on The Price is Right - especially in the pre-edit/ADR era - does. not. stop.

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« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2025, 04:48:15 PM »
I was REALLY hoping the Barker Era streaming channel would drop a new batch of 1986 episodes as I really want to see Bob Hilton's run at announcing in its entirety. The couple episodes I have from his audition, I'd have hired him on the spot. I know "Bob and Bob" would probably pivot between confusing, frustrating, and funny - but I really liked what I heard.
I have heard several reasons why Bob was not hired for the role, from him hosting a TTTT knockoff pilot and turning it down to Barker having a fear of being upstaged... what's the real story?

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« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2025, 05:09:48 PM »
I would like to think that with a funny wig and costume and the right direction, Bob Hilton could have fit into a comedy showcase.