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Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
JakeT:
--- Quote from: jjman920 on October 22, 2019, 01:15:29 AM ---
And some people on this site have dedicated considerable amounts of their time cataloging history through these game shows. And these things have served and do serve a probative value in knowing what the past was like. Don't insult those people.
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It would be helpful if you had the slightest clue who you were talking to...back in the '90s, I had one of the world's largest, best-celebrated private game show video archives...many of the cataloguing formats used by many collectors originated from MY original catalog...I AM "those people"...
And "probative" value? Now you've just moved into being total absurd...
JakeT
JakeT:
--- Quote from: jjman920 on October 22, 2019, 01:15:29 AM ---Trust me, I don't want to keep bigotry alive in this country. I'm black and gay, and have faced years of depression from bullying and name calling. Social media's a cesspool and the White House is a garbage disposal. I know how words (and images) hurt just as much as you and many people on this board probably do.
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So, then I would assume you would find it offensive, objectionable and worthy of censoring if someone were to use "n----- f-----" on some show because you are aware of the damaging effects of such ignorant hateful bigoted terms...
Then you should be aware that slurs that might not affect you DO harm others...they see them as bullying...they see them as dehumanizing...there is NO value in harmful slurs being aired just to please some purists when it can do demonstrable harm to others and when it most certainly does not do any actual damage to the product as a whole...
If they do what you ask and air harmful content just to please you, are you willing to provide whatever help that is needed to those it may have harmed? For some, continued dehumanization leads to mental illness and even suicide...is hearing the word "m-----" THAT important to you?
I really don't have anymore more I can say to you on the subject...except that the fact that a doubly-marginalized person like yourself can't grasp the harm that such language does to others is incredibly disappointing to me...
JakeT
jjman920:
I don't need to have a clue. If you're in the category I mentioned, then I'd think you'd see where I was coming from.
I literally laid out examples about why game shows/television have historical value. They're time capsules. And a lot of it wasn't saved until the 1980s. So, anything prior to that decade is, again, important to knowing what things were like back then.
I fail to understand how recording history is not probative. It literally acts a proof that something happened. That's literally the definition of the word.
But I'll go stand in the absurd section of the Paley Center.
EDIT: I'm sorry that my ability to disassociate the use of a word from 60 years ago against the use of the word now is confusing and disappointing to you. The Buzzr thing really doesn't matter that much to me besides losing the historical value. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
I don't know what else I could say. I'm not trying to celebrate the ugly parts of history. I'm not trying to rub it in people's faces. That's why I suggested a disclaimer. There are documentaries and museums that catalog history with the words and imagery far nastier that what Buzzr is bleeping out. Should those documentaries not air, should those museums not exist? Should the Holocaust be taken out of textbooks and not taught in schools?
I just don't want to see history erased. I'm sorry.
JMFabiano:
--- Quote from: Bryce L. on October 20, 2019, 11:48:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: jjman920 on October 20, 2019, 09:46:03 PM ---I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
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Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).
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Doesn't Buzzr skip the "Sicilian" episode of Password Plus for this reason? Despite the muting/blacking out that NBC or GSN applied to the segment?
I also heard speculation that this is why we haven't seen the premiere of MG/HS yet. As two MG questions have punchlines that don't age well (one about a son who wants to grow up to be a girl, the other is the typical "tough" school question and leads to the punchline about kids playing with guns there). Buzzr is usually honest about this sort of thing, have they said one way or the other?
/Yet they keep the Liz Taylor questions, go fig.
jjman920:
--- Quote from: JMFabiano on October 22, 2019, 07:34:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bryce L. on October 20, 2019, 11:48:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: jjman920 on October 20, 2019, 09:46:03 PM ---I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
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Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).
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Doesn't Buzzr skip the "Sicilian" episode of Password Plus for this reason? Despite the muting/blacking out that NBC or GSN applied to the segment?
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If they had, I don't think they did most recently. I'm pretty sure that came up a few weeks ago and I was confused for like a minute before I remember it already being censored before Buzzr aired it. I thought my stream had frozen because the shot was on the whole desk with no word on the front and no audio.
That was an instance where they realized it was wrong back then. Prompting Allen to make an apology on a later episode, correct?
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