American Dream Derby in trouble..

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'goongas\' date=\'Jan 20 2005, 11:18 PM\']I read that Bravo is taping a Celebrity Pool pilot.
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I'm waiting for celebrity Phase 10 myself.

[itiparanoid13]

I read that Bravo is taping a Celebrity Pool pilot.

I believe it is beyond pilot stage now.  I think it got greenlighted to start taping.

[sshuffield70]

How about Celebrity Pinball......or Extreme Celebrity Connect 4?

[catnap1972]

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jan 21 2005, 10:21 AM\']How about Celebrity Pinball......or Extreme Celebrity Connect 4?

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Nah...Celebrity Twister.  Definitely!

(would probably be too raunchy even by GSN's standards)

[mmb5]

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jan 21 2005, 10:21 AM\']How about Celebrity Pinball......or Extreme Celebrity Connect 4?

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Funny you should mention that.  I saw this concerning Connect 4:

Connect 4 Promo



--Mike

[sshuffield70]

[quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Jan 21 2005, 07:02 PM\'][quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jan 21 2005, 10:21 AM\']How about Celebrity Pinball......or Extreme Celebrity Connect 4?

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Funny you should mention that.  I saw this concerning Connect 4:

Connect 4 Promo



--Mike

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ROFLMAO!!!  Are you still short of breath, Mike??

That's an awesome job.  But I think that's the LAST time I give anyone any ideas!

[Don Howard]

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jan 21 2005, 10:21 AM\']How about Celebrity Pinball

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I believe Heatter/Quigley still has the rights to it.

[aaron sica]

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jan 21 2005, 10:01 PM\']ROFLMAO!!!  Are you still short of breath, Mike??

That's an awesome job.  But I think that's the LAST time I give anyone any ideas!

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Yes, Mike, great job with that!! I just don't wanna be around when the lever is pulled at the bottom to clear the board...

[xibit777]

I think it's official.  American Dream Derby ended up being a complete and utter failure.  According to the new Adlink update, it has been completely removed from the schedule after Feb 21.   They aren't even rerunning it in bad time slots.   So this show that was the most expensive GSN has ever made lasted about 1 month?  Wonderful move GSN.  Let's keep staying away from those game shows now.   Wouldn't want anything on the schedule that might last more than a couple months.

[catnap1972]

[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 07:49 AM\']I think it's official.  American Dream Derby ended up being a complete and utter failure.  According to the new Adlink update, it has been completely removed from the schedule after Feb 21.   They aren't even rerunning it in bad time slots.   So this show that was the most expensive GSN has ever made lasted about 1 month?  Wonderful move GSN.  Let's keep staying away from those game shows now.   Wouldn't want anything on the schedule that might last more than a couple months.

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Don't be surprised if they trudge the reruns out during the summer (when they think everyone bored with network programming will revel over this "new to you" series)...they're going to have to amortize this disaster somehow.

[Jimmy Owen]

The reality genre as a whole is problematic.  You have to keep trying until you have a winner, but it's like capturing lightning in a bottle.  Each of the traditional networks has had at least one "megahit," three or four average performers and a few outright flops.  I think GSN will continue to try these kinds of shows, but it's difficult to gauge what will tickle the nation's fancy.

[sshuffield70]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 07:52 AM\']The reality genre as a whole is problematic.  You have to keep trying until you have a winner, but it's like capturing lightning in a bottle.  Each of the traditional networks has had at least one "megahit," three or four average performers and a few outright flops.  I think GSN will continue to try these kinds of shows, but it's difficult to gauge what will tickle the nation's fancy.

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Well, how hard is it just to make NEW game shows?

[TraderRob]

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 09:34 AM\']Well, how hard is it just to make NEW game shows?

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With the standards and expectations that so many people seem to set that end up resulting in a new show being considered an utter failure, not as easy as one might think.

To comment on an earlier post, even during the game show glut of the 1970's, how many shows were introduced and then failed in 13 weeks?   Yet, the networks kept pushing out new shows trying to find the winning combination.  

I'm sure GSN will have more flops - but also no doubt more successes as well.

Rob

[GS Warehouse]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 08:52 AM\']Each of the traditional networks has had at least one "megahit," three or four average performers and a few outright flops. ...

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[/quote]A few?  That's an understatement.

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 09:34 AM\']Well, how hard is it just to make NEW game shows?

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[/quote]It's been said before: we're not their target audience.  Never have been, and as long as money drives this country, we never will be.

[uncamark]

[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 01:12 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 08:52 AM\']Each of the traditional networks has had at least one "megahit," three or four average performers and a few outright flops. ...

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[/quote]A few?  That's an understatement.

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Feb 9 2005, 09:34 AM\']Well, how hard is it just to make NEW game shows?

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[/quote]It's been said before: we're not their target audience.  Never have been, and as long as money drives this country, we never will be.

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Well, we were, back when they were on very few systems, Nielsen wasn't rating them and they were just biding their time until technology caught up with them and they would need to appeal to advertisers.

In fact, we should be lucky that the reformatting didn't occur sooner than March 2004, that Rich Cronin had at least some hope that a purer (not 100% pure, but purer) game show channel could work with the Nielsens and advertisers and that he got 2 1/2 years to give it a try before Sony came closing in on him.  There are reasons why it took 15 years after ESPN and Nickelodeon started the era of specialized cable channels to get a cable game show channel going--and the genre being a hard sell with advertisers was one of them.