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Howie is a great host. The game is very suspensful. This is some exciting Television. Claudia Looked great. I Like it!
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:23 PM\']Howie is a great host. The game is very suspensful. This is some exciting Television. Claudia Looked great. I Like it!
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Are you dim? Why do you keep starting new threads on this subject that say absolutely nothing?
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM\'][quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:23 PM\']Howie is a great host. The game is very suspensful. This is some exciting Television. Claudia Looked great. I Like it!
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The show is not even over. I can't offer a spoiler. I can only offer my opinion.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM\'][quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:23 PM\']Howie is a great host. The game is very suspensful. This is some exciting Television. Claudia Looked great. I Like it!
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Not to mention he stole the other Brandon's thunder on Claudia.
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Like the show or not, how about that hot, reactive audience??!!
Randy
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:51 PM\']The show is not even over. I can't offer a spoiler. I can only offer my opinion.
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Just a thought... how about waiting until the show's over, and then you can discuss it in as much detail as you like?
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:54 PM\']Like the show or not, how about that hot, reactive audience??!!
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Audience? What audience?
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:54 PM\']Like the show or not, how about that hot, reactive audience??!!
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The models warmed them up with offers from Bed Bath and Beyond, right? ;)
I think Howie did alright, and the format, as usual, did wonders. Randy, does Howie get a bit more involved with explaining/helping the contestant and rapport with the Banker as the tapings went on? I think he started to find that as the game went on, but like I said, for the first game it was fine.
Good editing, as well; wonder if/how Avid can sync TEN cameras to multi-edit.
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:51 PM\'] The show is not even over. I can't offer a spoiler. I can only offer my opinion.
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Which has not a thing to do with what I said. You started a thread with the same name previously. Why did you create another one with nothing substantive?
Whatever... I like DoND. I was actually into it, and I didn't think I would be.
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I really enjoyed this. I'm not gonna pretend I'm offering anything insightful here, but for a game that has essentially no game, I thought this was executed very well. I'll definitely be watching again tomorrow night.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:11 PM\']I really enjoyed this. I'm not gonna pretend I'm offering anything insightful here, but for a game that has essentially no game, I thought this was executed very well. I'll definitely be watching again tomorrow night.
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I agree. I was expecting quite a bit, and this show exceeded my expectations.
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I enjoyed it as well. However, I think the Dutch version is much better.
I'll be watching all week too.
Don
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I must say; I was quite impressed by the show! Howie, as many have said, is a great host and seems to be just as into the game as the contestants are. I, admittedly, was kinda skeptical when I first read about the show because it seemed like the show had really no substance whatsoever; I mean, you can describe the game in about 20 seconds.
However, after watching it, I can see that the show doesn't need a whole lot of substance. It's very exciting, the execution is superb, and even I was moaning and cheering along with the game! I really hope a lot of other people feel the same way I do so this show comes back! :)
Just out of curiosity, if anybody here tried out for the show, what was involved in the audition? I'm interested to see what goes into it.
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I enjoyed it as well. I agree with those who have said that if there's no real money at stake, there's really nothing compelling there -- and as such I really don't get the attraction of the home game. But it's good TV... and Howie is a good fit as host. (Oh yeah, and the audience rocked, Randy. ;-) I'll be checking in throughout the week.
Only disappointment: at least on our NBC affiliate, the models...er, I mean the show wasn't in high def. :-D
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Dag Dick Cavett...
I'm sure all of you thought the game executed well...
I, for once, didn't excute my TiVo well. How I Met Your Mother had higher priority than Deal or No Deal on the Season Pass manager. :( :( :(
I'll get it right tomorrow!
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I kinda sorta forgot it was on. My bad.
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The good : It's a suspenseful (non-)game. Loved the sleek set, and Howie is, in a word, perfect. Give him time, and his ability to be evil in his temptations will really come out.
Love the way the banker is set up.
The bad : Sorry, but I miss the days where a player had to earn the right to play a game and win big money. The Aussie version has the audience play a trivia game. The Dutch vers is tied into their lottery, and has the final players play a game to earn the right to play. Just announcing a contestant to enter doesn't do it for me. It reeks of 'casting' and not 'contesting'.
And, for that matter, whereas I like models, and really like 26 hot ones, they serve no purpose. Have 25 losing contestants up there, and let them play for a bit of cash like the Aussie show.
The pacing is off. It's too fast when it comes to opening the briefcases, and too slow everywhere else. For some reason, I didn't see a lot of 'psychology' in the game. Hell, the last 2 banker offers were pure 'mean amounts' of what was left. There was no psychology there at all. Set up the player vs the banker better...but show less obnoxious family members dancing , and more player sweating out the details.
All in all, a great show that , I predict, will go past 5 days, if for no other reason than the fact that NBC has nothing else to hang it's hat on.
And someone tell me why ABC passed on this AFTER shooting it's own version? Damn you Desperate Housewifes!
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Who Wants to Be a Millionaire is a game with a simple concept. Just when you didn't think it could get any simpler Deal or No Deal comes along. The Banker in the booth is a nice touch. This a game that is executed nicely. Exactly how does the home game work? I picked case 17 during the 1st break. Did that make me eligible to win the $10,000 Prize or did I need to pick the case the contestant had next to her? I'm a little confused as to the exact rules.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:08 PM\']Whatever... I like DoND. I was actually into it, and I didn't think I would be.
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I enjoyed it as well.
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You invest 50some minutes watching the game. The climax comes (either in the final reveal or the contestant taking the deal), and all of a sudden you realize that you don't want to go through the exercise again. It's a similar problem that I had with GREED--I happened to watch as Dan Avila and his mates climbed the tower (during the initial run on Fox) and found that after the climax, as exciting as it was, I felt kind of let down as I watched the next team play, starting from scratch (not that anything could be done about that, of course).
Point being--this would probably play better if one contestant played for the entire hour instead of bringing on a second contestant to hurriedly rush through the opening of his game.
BTW, where did this show tape?
Doug -- and the countdown to 1700 continues
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 07:06 PM\']Good editing, as well;
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Anything but. Some awfully strange choices of cutaways to cover up edits, and the ADR (lines that Howie re-recorded after the tape date) was extremely obvious. Never mind that, but there were several occasions where Howie was being cut up mid-sentence. It's a practice we've come to tolerate on reality shows, but there's no place for it in a studio-based game show.
[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 07:06 PM\']wonder if/how Avid can sync TEN cameras to multi-edit.
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It's a matter of setting up additional banks (4 or 9 cams each) to accommodate all your sources (however many cameras you have, plus the line cut). You can only look at one bank at any given time, but you can switch banks in order to access all your footage and drop it into the timeline.
I don't personally know whether Deal or No Deal was running ISOs (isolated tapes) on all cameras, or just doing a line cut in addition to running ISOs on a handful of the cameras. The latter is how the recent version of Hollywood Squares, for one, handled post production.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:20 PM\']I kinda sorta forgot it was on. My bad.
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Same with me. We never get my son to sleep until 7:45 (central) anyway, so I would have missed most of it in any case. The last minute or so looked good.
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I'll be interested to see how many of you are sick of the show by Friday night. It's all sizzle and no steak, and while the sizzle is among the best I've witnessed, I'm still hungry.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:55 PM\'][quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 07:06 PM\']Good editing, as well;
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Anything but. Some awfully strange choices of cutaways to cover up edits, and the ADR (lines that Howie re-recorded after the tape date) was extremely obvious. Never mind that, but there were several occasions where Howie was being cut up mid-sentence. It's a practice we've come to tolerate on reality shows, but there's no place for it in a studio-based game show.
[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 07:06 PM\']wonder if/how Avid can sync TEN cameras to multi-edit.
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It's a matter of setting up additional banks (4 or 9 cams each) to accommodate all your sources (however many cameras you have, plus the line cut). You can only look at one bank at any given time, but you can switch banks in order to access all your footage and drop it into the timeline.
I don't personally know whether Deal or No Deal was running ISOs (isolated tapes) on all cameras, or just doing a line cut in addition to running ISOs on a handful of the cameras. The latter is how the recent version of Hollywood Squares, for one, handled post production.
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I thought it was mentioned that it was ISOs being used since there were 10 cameras; not that we have the ability to do ISOs here, but it would have helped me out yesterday during our symphony taping that we did. No big -- still get to use 24p so I'm happy.
FWIW, maybe it was me getting caught up, but the sweetening wasn't NEARLY as bad as some reality shows where you can tell it's been voiced in a booth.
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I would like more face time for the models, less face time for the family. I think what I'm looking for is a revival of Jackpot! with models posing the riddles.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:53 PM\']Point being--this would probably play better if one contestant played for the entire hour instead of bringing on a second contestant to hurriedly rush through the opening of his game.
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BUt how do you guarantee this can happen every time? What if the contestant walked with the 2nd bank offer?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 10:12 PM\']I would like more face time for the models
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Wouldn't we all, Jimmy, wouldn't we all (ok, except for Tammy).
And now, back to the topic.....
I also was impressed by how well executed this show was, although I'm in agreement with a couple of others. I wonder if the rest of the episodes can contain that much excitement. If not, watch for some rapid dropoffs in viewership (if they're there to begin with). And the editing/directing was quite craptacular IMO, it was too fast and many shots, especially of the audience, were unnecessary (Sorry, Randy).
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:52 PM\']Not to mention he stole the other Brandon's thunder on Claudia.
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It's cool. I made my Bed Bath and Beyond run earlier. :-P
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:20 PM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:53 PM\']Point being--this would probably play better if one contestant played for the entire hour instead of bringing on a second contestant to hurriedly rush through the opening of his game.
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BUt how do you guarantee this can happen every time? What if the contestant walked with the 2nd bank offer?
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Point taken. You can't. so this game is lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak (as Chri$ put it), maybe it would work better as a half-hour vehicle (they you can edit or pad as necessary, since it's likely you could easily fit a game into 30 minutes).
Not being very familiar with how DoND plays internationally, I don't know the answer to this--are all incarnations one hour?
Doug -- and the countdown to 1700 continues
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 10:20 PM\']But how do you guarantee this can happen every time? What if the contestant walked with the 2nd bank offer?
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They've pretty much guaranteed that a player will play until at least the 4th or 5th offer, unless the player isn't terribly sharp or is very, very unlucky.
I'm really disappointed with the distribution of dollar amounts. There are seven dollar amounts $100,000 or above. As long as a player does not knock off all seven of those, the offers will almost always keep escalating.
Spoiler space....
As an example, look at the first contestant from tonight's show. Even after knocking off the $750K and $1M, she still got four escalating offers before there was a drop. Even after the drop, she still got her two highest offers of the night with the 6th and 7th offer.
You'd have to be extraordinarily unlucky to knock off a majority of the $100K+ cases early. You're going to get increasing offers each time, so there's not much incentive to even consider the offers.
Howie was great, as was the set, the models, the music, and <suckup> man, was that audience hot! </suckup>.
But honestly, I did not feel the tension that I've felt watching either the British or the Dutch versions.
Curt
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:23 PM\']Howie is a great host. The game is very suspensful. This is some exciting Television. Claudia Looked great. I Like it!
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I Agree with Brandon brooks. For once. This thread is Pointless! Its Beginning, anyway. Here's a Scarecrow Award! A perfect Award for something as brainless as the start of this Thread.
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And for something positive, it was GREAT to hear your voice again, Randy West! Here's to hoping for a long and successful run.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 10:53 PM\']And for something positive, it was GREAT to hear your voice again, Randy West! Here's to hoping for a long and successful run.
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Ummm..... correct me if I'm wrong, but Randy's voice wasn't heard on air.
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I hate myself for liking it, because it really goes against everything I believe a game show ought to be, starting with the idea that a player should be rewarded for actually DOING something. But yeah, I liked it too. Howie was marvelous. He knew where to be funny and where to build up the excitement, a pretty neat trick for a first-time GS host.
I'm with SplitSecond on the editing; some of it was jarring enough to almost take me out of the game. I'm also on record as saying that too much editing sucks the drama out of a game, and this show had way too much editing.
If this was a LIVE show for example (and I see no huge reason why it couldn't be) and it was directed well (and I see no huge reason why it couldn't be), viewers at home would be climbing the walls with excitement.
But OK, props to NBC for getting it done about as well as we could have expected. Now we wait for the ratings.
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Still letting it sink in...I'm looking forward to the next couple of nights to see how the straddling works. Some admittedly half-baked thoughts:
Lots of good - Howie stayed focused on the job, nice set, great models.
I agree with Matt (I guess now it's both Matts) about the "playing without earning" factor. It just feels odd - "Here, we're giving away money! You'll never lose!" Even a dork can leave with a penny. Also, in Millionaire, there is the excitement that builds as you progress to higher amounts - the million is always in view as a potential goal. Here, your chance at a million can disappear as fast as your first choice out of 6 after picking your case. The game changes to "How Much Am I Going To Lose NOW?", since every high dollar value eliminated kills your offer from the banker. I'm going to watch some more and see what's really in it for the home viewer.
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I was kinda hoping the banker on the show would offer some of the same kinds of amounts the computer game did. Howie: "Okay, Mrs. Van - the banker is offering you $15,642 for your case." Heck..I'm not just getting 15 thousand...I'm getting an extra 642 bucks! I felt that was an interesting way to play with a contestant's head. Anytime there's a number instead of a "0", it's mo' money for me!
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 11:15 PM\'][quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 10:53 PM\']And for something positive, it was GREAT to hear your voice again, Randy West! Here's to hoping for a long and successful run.
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I'll retract and apologize if so, but that voiceover at the start sounded like him to me. If I'm wrong, and in my defence, I was in a crowded restaurant at the time, so I couldn't catch everything.
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And someone tell me why ABC passed on this AFTER shooting it's own version?
Because they're a lot smarter than NBC?
Howie was great, much better than I expected.
In order to truly appreciate Randy's work you have to be in the studio. This audience was red hot.
The show is a contrived piece of s**t. It sucks big donkey chunks. There is no game, merely game fumes.
We are now :45 into the show and I am tired of this contestant. I'm even more tired of her husband injecting himself into the game play. Several of the contestant's remarks came off as less than spontaneous, IMO, i.e. scripted/rehearsed. Just my humble opinion.
SplitSecond was spot on about the directing/editing. If I didn't know better I could swear one B.E. was moonlighting. The directing/editing likewise sucked big donkey chunks.
If a contestant winds up winning less than $1,000, it's going to be one hell of an anticlimax after 50 minutes.
And the banker phone? Puh-leeze.
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I've seen a few eps of the Aussie version, so I have something to which I can compare tonight's show. The Aussies also involve family members, but pretty much only to the extent that Millionaire does -- maybe a little bit more.
I thought the dark banker effects were very effective, but that damn banker phone was, well, ridiculous. Anybody who's seen the original episodes of UK WWTBAM knows exactly what that's all about, although the phone actually served a useful purpose on the show in that case.
Howie Mandel did an admirable job for his first time hosting a show like this. If it lasts, I have every reason to believe he'll be in top form in no time at all.
Beyond that, I got the same impression I got from the Aussie version -- a lot of fluff, but very little stuff. It's exciting the first few times, to be sure, but I'm betting it gets old pretty fast with the American audience. However, in deference to Randy and others on this group, I hope I'm wrong about that.
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Chris C., what would you suggest for an improvement, other than cancelling the show altogether?
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I'll only echo most of what has been said. Well executed, but not much of a game. Editing is questionable at best. The "let's just bring on a contestant just like WWTBAM does" annoys the heck out of me.
In some ways, it reminds me of Match Game -- mainly because there's not much to the game, so it's up to how it's produced to determine if it's any good or not. The production of MG depended on the chemistry of the celebs (and we saw both some good and bad examples of that); the production of this show depends on how well the drama is milked. (And, fwiw, there was a *little* more game to MG.) For my taste, the drama gets milked just a bit more than I would like, but it wouldn't surprise me if it plays well to middle America. We'll see soon.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:04 PM\']Howie was great, much better than I expected.
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Howie was FANTASTIC. Little nervous at the start, but he got into a groove really quickly. I do think he could stand to develop a little ad-lib other than just "Open the case", though.
We are now :45 into the show and I am tired of this contestant. I'm even more tired of her husband injecting himself into the game play. Several of the contestant's remarks came off as less than spontaneous, IMO, i.e. scripted/rehearsed. Just my humble opinion.
And this is what happens when you "cast" your contestants. That said, the schaudenfreude when she cracked the (remaining) Big Fella and the bank offer took a crap on her was quite enjoyable. (Unfortunately, that's not the feeling the producers were going for, I wager.)
And the banker phone? Puh-leeze.
Yeah, right there with you, espeically since they saved a few bucks by making the Banker a non-speaking role. Howie, yer no Bob Newhart.
I WANT to like it. I will definitely watch the rest just to enjoy Howie. But I don't think it's gonna catch on.
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Well, I liked this show a bit more than expected. The only problem I see here is that the lack of actual game is going to mean that this won't have an incredibly long run. The tension is great, but I kind of get the feeling it's a show that will get old quick. It's a lottery show....A damn slick lottery show, but lottery nonetheless. I'll enjoy it while it's here, but I don't see myself watching it a whole lot in the future.
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I think this is the sort of show that is cool for a little while in the same way that Prime Time Millionaire was cool when it first hit the air. Then people get burned out on it rather quick. Yes D or no D has little substance. However for a show dangerously close to being about nothing I really enjoyed it.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 08:10 PM\']I thought it was mentioned that it was ISOs being used since there were 10 cameras; not that we have the ability to do ISOs here, but it would have helped me out yesterday during our symphony taping that we did. No big -- still get to use 24p so I'm happy.
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Just because 10 cameras were being used, ISOs weren't necessarily rolling on all 10 (although in this case, they probably were). You might just have the 10 cameras for your line cut and only be rolling ISOs on the four most important cameras (e.g., host single, contestant single, jib, and family group shot)
Bricon, do you happen to remember how many ISOs were running on Squares, and on which cameras?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 10:04 PM\']SplitSecond was spot on about the directing/editing. If I didn't know better I could swear one B.E. was moonlighting. The directing/editing likewise sucked big donkey chunks.
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To me, it looks more like bad editing than bad direction. And the specific kind of bad editing I see makes me think that it's more a result of network micromanagement when it came to giving notes on the show, not necessarily an original bad edit job.
That said, my major gripe about this show was the pacing. Howie did a great job and was clearly following direction very well, but did it not occur to anyone that once all the large cases have been revealed, you need to blow through the rest of the game because people have stopped caring (including, very obviously on tonight's episode, the contestant)? It clearly didn't occur to anyone until editing, because it was obvious that Howie was still trying to drag the rest of the game out in a misguided attempt to create drama where there wasn't any, but the pace was being picked up only because the last 10 minutes of the show was edited in an friggin' Osterizer.
It's nice to see that Randy actually brings his supply of amphetamines to the studios with him now. Sharing is caring. ;)
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My .03:
Other posters have already mentioned it, but let me put it another way: This is a show that relies purely on contestants' luck. I remember Mark Goodson, one of the deans, if not the dean of game show producers, expressing surprise that "Let's Make a Deal" was a success, because it was so totally dependent on luck. Perish the thought that I'm comparing LMaD with DoND, but I could see Goodson's point: Contestants on LMaD won, not by bringing any physical or mental skill to the game, but by simply choosing the right box, curtain or door. (I guess the fast pace, outlandish costumes and Monty Hall's rapid-fire repartee made it seem more than what it was.)
The same basic principle would seem to apply to the U.S. version of DoND. I'm intrigued to hear that the Australian version required contestants to win a trivia round in order to qualify for the main game.
I'll probably watch all five episodes, but I suspect I'll lose interest before it's all over. For me, one of the pleasures of watching a game show is shouting the correct answers at the TV (which is absolutely no predictor of how I would actually do on the show), but with DoND, I'm just as in the dark as the contestant and his/her rooting section. At the end of the day, DoND is, IMHO, as exciting as watching a glorified Bingo game, with much greater money amounts at stake.
But yes, Howie Mandel did a terrific job, and yes, the models are gorgeous.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:20 PM\']Chris C., what would you suggest for an improvement, other than cancelling the show altogether?
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Gathering the tapes of all remaining episodes, all 26 briefcases, the entire set and Howie's earrings, hauling them over to The Grove and having a great big bonfire. I guarantee we'd send a crew. The game as presently conceived is equal parts moribund and unsalvageable.
NBC has been flirting with LMAD or a show containing components thereof for a couple of years now. What LMAD and Treasure Hunt had that DOND lacks completely is imagination. Monty and Stef Hatos did a wonderful job of keeping LMAD fresh for years with the wide variety of deals they did on the show. I think there is a viable show to be done in the same vein as LMAD and TH, but NBC has not yet hit on the right combination of format, producers and talent. The first problem with LMAD '03 was Billy Bush. He was not convincing as an emcee and looked rather bemused throughout it all. The second problem was the audience, which looked like 300 Hollywood waiters earning a day's pay as extras. Yet another problem was that the contestants looked like they had each downed a case of Jolt cola beforehand. It was all Hollywood glitzy and completely devoid of the middle-America Ma and Pa quality which you can still see on TPIR. I would love to see them take another shot at LMAD with Howie Mandel and without the ersatz Hollywood glitz. Or take a shot at Treasure Hunt.
To improve DOND incrementally I would cut down the number of briefcases to maybe 16, get each contestant on and off in three segments or less, and send the banker away with that fake phone shoved up his (ahem) and simply have a model hand Howie an envelope containing the offer amount which Howie would reveal on camera. Perhaps (thinking off the top of my head now) have a sudden-death feature where if a contestant rejects an offer which is greater than the amount in the briefcase she has picked, the game is over. We need to see less of the contestants and the game needs to be telescoped.
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Hmm, am I the only one who paused the TiVo to study the closing credits? There was a great disclaimer, to the effect of "the host's statements about the 'high-security vault' and cash in the briefcases were scripted for dramatic purposes; there was no actual cash in the studio."
Also, I only recognized the names of Claudia Jordan and one other model: Pilar Lastra, who was Playboy's Miss August 2004.
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There was a great disclaimer, to the effect of "the host's statements about the 'high-security vault' and cash in the briefcases were scripted for dramatic purposes; there was no actual cash in the studio."
Did they say anything about preparing the contestants in advance?
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Yes, Split, on tape day I was told all ten cameras were iso'd, and I posted that on an ealier thread (why did we start a new one?). Also by way of a response, the show was edited so tightly that we lost much of Howie's charm, wit and drama. He was even better than what made air.
Randy
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A few more names that might jog your memory (Linkage embedded):
A.J. Alamasi (http://\"http://www.ajalamasi.com\"): a contestant on Christmas Fear Factor last year (should be making the syndication rounds now).
Lindsay Clubine (http://\"http://www.hd.net/bio_clubine.html\"): co-hosts "Get Out" on HDNet.
Kimberly Estrada (http://\"http://jttp://www.kimberlyestrada.com\"): played Hilary Swank's fourth opponent in Million Dollar Baby, also hosts Let's go - The Travel Show on ABC Family - and there's that Extreme Dodgeball gig we know about already.
Dawn Olivieri (http://\"http://www.dawnolivieri.com\"): She was the central character in the UPN reality show The Player.
Leyla Milani (http://\"http://www.leylamilani.com\"): She was runner-up in the WWE Diva Search (appearing in same along with Krystal).
Linkage to some of the rest:
Donna Feldman (http://\"http://www.donnafeldman.net\")
Patricia Kara (http://\"http://www.allabouthype.com/client_display.php?id=46\")
Bonnie-Jill Laflin (http://\"http://www.allabouthype.com/client_display.php?id=41\")
Jill Manas (http://\"http://www.jillmanas.com\")
Marisa Petoro (http://\"http://www.marisapetroro.com\")
Yoi Tanabe (http://\"http://www.musicplustv.com/people.php?sID=39\")
Nice of NBC to list them all in the credits. One wishes Price would do the same, but they won't. Shame.
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the show was edited so tightly that we lost much of Howie's charm, wit and drama
And hair, too, apparently.
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To say the least, DoND was more than I expected. The set looked very nice. Howie Mandell was very good in his hosting debut. The gane itself was OK except the parts where the big bucks were removed. The background music during gameplay was intresting going from a mellpw sound during the selections to a suspenseful tone with the bank offers, The sound effects during the case reveals reminded me of when the set of On The Cover was being darkened before the bonus round & I didn't mind at that at all(wish the online version used that). The execution & presentation was solid albeit some iffy editing at times. I liked how the models were hplding those cases very gently. The things that bugged me was the hideous looking phone & the way players were chosen ala syndie Millionaire, but I've come to get use to that aspect. Overall, it's not that bad.. A couple minor tweaks here & there, this show could stick around awhile, maybe ir it gets syndicated in the future, I'll give DoND a 7.0.
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I'm thinking here about one of our old alt.tv.game-shows charter oaks here when I think about the charm of this game for me, and it's fascinating just to see where those offer numbers go. It's apparently some sort of simple algorithm, by the end of the night I was trying to guess them as Howie was on the phone.
What I didn't like about Howie was his throws to commercial...he needs to sharpen that up over the next few days. But having the significant others on the stage for Howie to play off of is a nice touch, and Howie was really exceptional here.
26 models. Good move. Where do you start?
And everyone's comments about how a TV game show needs to be "produced", "scripted" and "edited" are spot on. Sadly, we are in an age where a TV game with agonizing decisions has to be cut to fit. I would rather see a contestant actually go through the agony such as on the original Regis Millionaire. And that's a large part of the show's downside. It could be just as thrilling and just a exciting if there were only 15 boxes, or even as few as 9!
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I don't have any opinions about this show that havne't been posted already...the biggest gripe for me was the show's editing. "Jarring" is a word someone used earlier, and I think that's the best word to describe what we saw last night.
I found myself comparing our version to a lot of UK DoND that I've seen lately...they use one contestant each 45-minute show. And while the top prize fund is roughly a third of what is on offer here, the host there is very good at building suspension, and there are little if any false edits.
They only use 22 cases in the UK, and the case pick cycle is 5-3-3-3-3 instead of our 6-5-4-3-2-1-1-1-1 (etc.), but the addition of four cases and our 40-44 minutes per show makes up for their 30-34 minutes per show.
In an earlier thread, I talked about how I feared that the show would have the same edit style as every other primetime game NBC has aired in the last six years, and it happened with this show again. After their past relative flops, haven't they learned? (Can I coin "NBC-ized" as this term?)
Another quick con: we don't need the constant on-screen reminders. "Jim Bob has a 95% chance of winning $356."
I would also find a new case-reveal sound effect. After the contestant has taken the deal, we don't need that SFX either.
But for the good stuff: I like Howie. He is doing a great job already. I want him to be more sinister, and I want to hear him elaborate on why the bank is offering this amount, and maybe emphasize the point that this is the contestants' game to play. It's *their* money. $10,000 might make a world of change for someone, stuff like that.
I like the money tree. Eight values of $100,000 or over means that we could see some interesting final rounds where the contestant faces values on that top third of the tree.
Looking forward to tomorrow night.
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The pacing is off. It's too fast when it comes to opening the briefcases, and too slow everywhere else.
But way too slow when actually taping the show. Yet the edited version is too fast.
I wonder if the rest of the episodes can contain that much excitement.
Absolutely. Stay tuned towards the end of the week.
If this was a LIVE show for example (and I see no huge reason why it couldn't be)
While it could be, it would be a huge headache. Price has been discussing that for years and if anybody could do it, they could. But this show was not done (at least the 3 shows I saw) live to tape.
In order to truly appreciate Randy's work you have to be in the studio. This audience was red hot.
Take a look at the last 3 shows and see if you notice a difference. Randy did not do those shows. But I also don't know if it was the same audience on both days.
espeically since they saved a few bucks by making the Banker a non-speaking role.
Probably offset by the money spent for having the models talk. Who knows whether that makes air or not. Do they have to pay models extra for speaking roles that are taped, but do not air?
What LMAD and Treasure Hunt had that DOND lacks completely is imagination.
But it's a hit in 40 countries. Either something there is working, or there is something wrong with the people in those countries.
send the banker away with that fake phone shoved up his (ahem)
I'm kind of surprised of the feedback towards this. And as stated before, it's a legit phone call. The tech (called CBS electronics in the credits) has to hear the conversation from the banker to determine what offer to put on the board.
The background music during gameplay was intresting going from a mellpw sound during the selections to a suspenseful tone with the bank offers
I think it's better with no background music (the way it was taped)
The sound effects during the case reveals
See above
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I'd like to propose a small amendment to the format: contestant takes a deal, s/he walks out. End of segment. Don't show him/her what was in the case. Let 'em wonder, sweat, and think forever over what might have been. (Let Howie tease 'em as much as possible, of course.)
That said, it was fine, but hardly appointment TV. I'm not sure I'll watch for the rest of the week, but it's an awfully busy week anyway.
26 seems like a strange number of cases. Anybody know how they hit on that?
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I, for one, would like to see what's in the cases and I think most other viewers would too. After investing upwards of 45 minutes, we should get a payoff too. It was somewhat of a let down that the million was taken out of play rather quickly. Howie kept me watching, though. I thought he did a great job.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 04:40 AM\']Also by way of a response, the show was edited so tightly that we lost much of Howie's charm, wit and drama. He was even better than what made air.[/quote]
And isn't this what we're saying? How come us fanboys can get such a seemmingly obvious point -- that overediting kills a show like this -- but the people who are actually MAKING it don't understand?
I still say to do this puppy live.
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:24 AM\']I'd like to propose a small amendment to the format: contestant takes a deal, s/he walks out. End of segment. Don't show him/her what was in the case. Let 'em wonder, sweat, and think forever over what might have been.[/quote]
You should know perfectly well that will never happen. It's not for the contestant's sake, every viewer in America will want to know what was inside. Can't cheat us all.
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:24 AM\']26 seems like a strange number of cases. Anybody know how they hit on that?[/quote]
The only thing that came to my mind is that you want an even number because of your display board, and once the player picks her case, you're left with 25, a very common number to play around with.
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 10:05 AM\']I like the money tree. Eight values of $100,000 or over means that we could see some interesting final rounds where the contestant faces values on that top third of the tree.[/quote]
I would think that if we end up with ONLY high-value numbers at the end it would actually be LESS interesting, because there's very little risk.
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How many times was the word "case" uttered by Howie Mandel during the hour?
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 12:25 AM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 09:53 PM\']BTW, where did this show tape?
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Taped at CBS Television City, stage 46 (the East building).
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It doesn't matter whether the show is on NBC (Deal or No Deal), ABC (Dancing with the Stars), or Fox (American Idol), they all want to tape at CBS Television City. True, there's that matter of technical superiority, but in the case of DoND, why CBS Television City and not NBC Burbank?
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Is anything with an audience (besides Leno) taped at NBC Burbank anymore?
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Marc Berman (http://\"http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp\") has the fast affliate Neilsen grinds from last night.
All I can say is....GOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:25 AM\']All I can say is....GOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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Not to be the pessimist, but I think its a little early to predict a victory. Anyone remember something on NBC called the XFL?
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:25 AM\']Marc Berman (http://\"http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp\") has the fast affliate Neilsen grinds from last night.
All I can say is....GOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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Well, that's nice, but that easily could've been Opening Night curiosity. Let's see if it can hang on through the week. If so, then it's party time.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:27 AM\'][quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:25 AM\']All I can say is....GOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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Not to be the pessimist, but I think its a little early to predict a victory. Anyone remember something on NBC called the XFL?
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Hehe. Yeah, I know. But I'm happy a game show was top-rated for the hour. :)
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:30 AM\']Hehe. Yeah, I know. But I'm happy a game show was top-rated for the hour. :)
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Granted, the competition wasn't much. Its first real test is tonight against a two-hour repeat of NCIS.
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Petty pet peeve I forgot to mention:
Howie isn't saying the numbers correctly. He refers to "One hundred AND thirty-eight thousand dollars," when proper form would be to not include the word "and". Johnny Gilbert does it correctly, so do Bob Barker, Rich Fields, Charlie O'Donnell and Pat Sajak. Seems a little thing to ask that Howie get it right too.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 12:26 AM\']If this was a LIVE show for example (and I see no huge reason why it couldn't be) and it was directed well (and I see no huge reason why it couldn't be), viewers at home would be climbing the walls with excitement.
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C'mon now. The average viewer probably doesn't even realize that it WASN'T LIVE.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 06:05 AM\']Another quick con: we don't need the constant on-screen reminders. "Jim Bob has a 95% chance of winning $356."
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See, I liked this. Not everyone can do math, and I think it helps the average viewer with the play-along of whether the bank deal is the right way to go.
But for the good stuff: I like Howie. He is doing a great job already. I want him to be more sinister,
The point made about Howie needing to shore up his commercial pitches is a good one, but I'm willing to write that off to first-show jitters. I could tell he improved even over the course of the hour, so I have high hopes for the rest of the week.
GOTTA do something about "Open the case." If he mixes THAT up a bit, his evil break pitches will be that much more convincing. "Let's see what's in there....AFTER THIS!!"
I like the money tree. Eight values of $100,000 or over means that we could see some interesting final rounds where the contestant faces values on that top third of the tree.
And they clearly engineered it that way for that reason. Problem is, that makes the first 12 or 15 or so picks completely irrelevant. They need to morph this into a format that has the interesting decisions at the end, without the no-brainer decisions at the start, and quite frankly, given what they have done to their other game-show attempts in recent years, I'm not sure I trust them to do that.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 10:14 AM\']Is anything with an audience (besides Leno) taped at NBC Burbank anymore?
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I think Ellen DeGeneres tapes at Studio 9 in Burbank (or 11, one of those two).
Doug -- and the countdown to 1700 continues
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:22 AM\']I think Ellen DeGeneres tapes at Studio 9 in Burbank (or 11, one of those two).
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Carson Daly is out in LA too, now, isn't he? I'm pretty sure they tape that on-site.
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A very good start for the show. To say it again, Howie did very well as host for his premiere outing, and it looks like that as time goes on and he has been on the show for some time, he could really take DoND to a new level. He was rolling some humor out, but he let the drama of the game dominate the show, which I was very happy to see.
The Banker telephone call to Howie was different, it helps build drama, and seeing half of the audience standing up out of their seats screaming either DEAL or NO DEAL at the top of their lungs to Claudia must have excited at least a few people out in TV land. The models excited all the guys watching, I'm sure, and the whole family element may have had some of the more emotional viewers glued to their sets for part of the hour.
Some of the editing did seem choppy, and the pacing seemed off at times, but reducing the number of cases to 22 or 24 could solve some of that, along with a faster pace after certain critical points. As people have said, a good time for that would've been after the $750k loss.
I was very happy with how it turned out, if it gets the same amount of viewers tonight as it did yesterday and for the rest of the week, NBC should consider it a success and start their next contestant search. I'm anxiously waiting tonight's show. Much praise to DoND.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:26 AM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:22 AM\']I think Ellen DeGeneres tapes at Studio 9 in Burbank (or 11, one of those two).
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Carson Daly is out in LA too, now, isn't he? I'm pretty sure they tape that on-site.
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You're right. Daly tapes in 9, DeGeneres tapes in 11.
Doug -- and the countdown to 1700 continues
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 10:24 AM\']The Banker telephone call to Howie was different, it helps build drama,
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I just gotta say I'm finding it really amusing to see who's lining up on the side of the idiotic Banker Phone being a good idea.
(Everyone involved in the decision is either on PL or is wearing an IFB. There is zero reason for that phone, especially if we're not gonna hear some Banker/Actor make the offer in a sinister voice. Period.)
Some of the editing did seem choppy, and the pacing seemed off at times, but reducing the number of cases to 22 or 24 could solve some of that,
You think it will be fixed by removing four cases when the first fourteen or so choices are pretty much irrelevant?
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 07:13 AM\']
send the banker away with that fake phone shoved up his (ahem)
I'm kind of surprised of the feedback towards this. And as stated before, it's a legit phone call. The tech (called CBS electronics in the credits) has to hear the conversation from the banker to determine what offer to put on the board.
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One more time. The banker is a non-speaking role, and the actor does not control any aspect of the game. The producer is on the other end of the telephone.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 01:55 PM\']One more time. The banker is a non-speaking role, and the actor does not control any aspect of the game. The producer is on the other end of the telephone.
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Mea culpa
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Meh, first two thirds of the game is mainly for setting up the all important last third. Or rather, half an hour to decide if you like the contestant, fifteen minutes to determine whether they actually do well or not. You could probably do the entire case opening of the first three rounds in one go, but you need the bank interlude to break up the action a bit.
It's a reasonable thought to dislike the "player walks in, doesn't do much, walks back out $X richer" aspect. What do you think of the European daily way of doing things? Everyone who gets on contestant's row is guaranteed a shot, but they could be on box-opening duty for up to four weeks of recordings before they get their go. We get four weeks to get to know people. Once they've had their go, they're off and replaced on contestants row by a brand new contestant.
We had one guy who jacked his job in for a chance to appear on the show. He was offered almost £20,000 (about $30,000) at one stage with a good board, declined it, went home with £10 ($15). Ouch.
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The Banker telephone call to Howie was different, it helps build drama
Howie was starting not to take the premise of the phone call seriously. That is not a suspense-builder; it helps expose the phone call as the silly contrivance that it is.
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Howie was starting not to take the premise of the phone call seriously.
When I tuned in, I saw Howie pick up the phone, say "okay, I'll tell her" and merely relay the figure to the contestant. Certainly not the foreboding banker the promos hype up. Compared to that, there's more drama in having the figure appear on the board, having the audience react, and cut to the silhouette of the banker, who appears to have no reaction to the contestant's heart-wrenching decision.
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Yep, Obviously the Banker is there for visual appeal. Isn't that what Television is all about, VISUAL APPEAL? The Banker makes things seem more official. That is the whole point of him being there. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Well half of you seem to understand. The rest seem to be clueless.
KEEP THE BANKER.
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Obviously the Banker is there for visual appeal. Isn't that what Television is all about, VISUAL APPEAL? The Banker makes things seem more official. That is the whole point of him being there.
Do you want to exhume Ben Feit of the Manufacturers Trust Company and cast him in the role of Banker? Puh-leeeze.
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The phone is stupid and looks out of place. Dump the phone and have "the banker" come over the house speakers. A deep bass voice slings a couple of Anne Robinson-esque "insults" and says the offer.
Howie (who did a great job, nuff said) could even banter back with the banker, putting him in the "good cop" seat.
Also, I think there are too many 6-figure cases. I'd make the top 5 $100K, $250K, $500K, $1M and $2M as the top prize. (All of these games are for $1M, let's make a REAL millionaire). Although, as someone else said, I'm sure the top tier is engineered to be so incremental.
Just my $0.02.
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 12:21 PM\']The rest seem to be clueless.
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Oh, the irony.
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 03:21 PM\']Yep, Obviously the Banker is there for visual appeal. Isn't that what Television is all about, VISUAL APPEAL? The Banker makes things seem more official. That is the whole point of him being there. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Well half of you seem to understand. The rest seem to be clueless.
KEEP THE BANKER.
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Sure, after 21 of your informative posts, YOU'RE calling us names?
I don't like the 'banker' character on set. Do it like the Aussie version where the number just pops up on the screen. No phone. No shadowed character.
But that makes me clueless. It also makes you an idiot.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 12:41 PM\']I don't like the 'banker' character on set. Do it like the Aussie version where the number just pops up on the screen. No phone. No shadowed character.
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I actually DO like the Banker being on set. What I DON'T like is that they don't USE him. He's a sinister guy hiding in shadows, and we don't get to INTERACT with him.
All they need to do is make the Banker be a speaking role. Let us hear him say "The Bank relectantly offers $X." That would fix ALL of it for me.
(of course, the game itself would still be broken, but that's another issue.)
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LOL different strokes for different folks. This place is great! I Love you all. I'm in a great mood and can't wait to see Deal tonight. At this point in time when ANY new Game Show is a rarity we should Thank GOD that we have this one on the schedule. This isn't 1984 when we could take Game Shows for granted since there were 20 other ones on the air at any given time. Let's just be happy that a New Game Show is on the schedule at all! I know that I am.
Happy Holidays.
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All the bases are covered -- quite thoroughly and quickly -- here.
It's a good "all sizzle, no steak" show that will work in one-week doses a couple of times a year.
If the ratings are sustained throughout the week, I wouldn't be surprised to see the next dose in either Feb. or May sweeps.
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 12:58 PM\']LOL different strokes for different folks. This place is great! I Love you all.
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Jesus, it's GSWitch reincarnated.
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The game is good background noise. The game is not bad but not good enough to command my full attention. The pace is sooooooooooo slow. Geez.
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I had fun watching the show. And I'm so grateful that a network is giving a game show a chance. I have to agree with a lot of people here that the phone was VERY annoying. Especially that time he wouldn't answer it and it kept ringing over and over. It's got a very annoying ring. I also think the banker should speak (would be a good job for the announcer)
Lastly I think it moves too slow. They have too many boxes. There's no reason to have so many low values. They should reduce the box amount to 15 or so even if they have to take one of the higher values out to even the odds of winning something good.
But it was still fun. The contestant was fun and her family was good. I imagine it could be pretty boring though if they have a really dull contestant. We'll have to see... Oh yeah and Howie did a really nice job. Far surpassed what I expected.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:53 AM\']Howie isn't saying the numbers correctly. He refers to "One hundred AND thirty-eight thousand dollars," when proper form would be to not include the word "and".
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Why do I get the feeling that if one of us regular folk had posted that, we'd have been ripped to shreds by the Inner Circle? :) I think this is very much a regionalism, and not an error per se. Some countries say it one way, others the opposite. I can't think right now how I normally say it, as I'm thinking about it.
I enjoyed the show, my one thought is that it's too long. It felt like they were stretching things out just to fit the hour slot. I think it would work better as an half hour show. Just trim a few moments here and there, less on the family, a few seconds less on the reveals, the banker etc. Since there's not really much meat behind the concept, the half hour just seems more appropriate.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 12:56 PM\']I actually DO like the Banker being on set. What I DON'T like is that they don't USE him. He's a sinister guy hiding in shadows, and we don't get to INTERACT with him.
All they need to do is make the Banker be a speaking role. Let us hear him say "The Bank relectantly offers $X." That would fix ALL of it for me.[/quote]
Not for me. This I could live with: put a camera and mic on the REAL producer in the booth or on stage, wherever he hangs out. His mic would not go over P.A. but would go to tape. The home audience hears the real producer say, "Howie, tell her we can offer her $77,000." The contestant and studio audience do not hear this, and Howie passes it on to the contestant. This eliminates all pretense and contrivance and puts more reality into this "reality" show than an ersatz banker.
(of course, the game itself would still be broken, but that's another issue.)
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Um, well, yeah.
Besides reducing the number of cases from 26 to 16 or 18, I would have a couple of cases contain something other than a flat money amount. Perhaps one which offers the contestant double the previous offer. Something, anything to introduce some relief to this format.
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This is one game where I think it's more fun to watch than actually play at home. I played the online Game about 4 times and got pretty bored. I'm wondering if the same thing will happen when viewing it for a week.
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[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 06:36 PM\']Why do I get the feeling that if one of us regular folk had posted that, we'd have been ripped to shreds by the Inner Circle? :) [/quote]
Well of COURSE not, because you would have had my full support! :)
[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 06:36 PM\']I think this is very much a regionalism, and not an error per se.[/quote]
No. It is an improper way of using the English language, no matter where you're from. It's akin to using the word "ain't". A conversation isn't going to come to a crashing halt because someone said it wrong (and even though it's a pet peeve, I am not so much of a geek as to correct people in casual conversation) but professional broadcasters do not make that mistake, and Howie did. It's not a big deal, but there is a right and a wrong here, not regional differences.
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Not to be nit-picky, but wasn't "ain't" recently added to the OED or some damn thing?
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Adding boxes with special effects is a really nice idea. Maybe something like have a really nice car (like a Corvette) attached randomly to one of the dollar amounts. So even if the contestant doesn't have any big money left, they could still come out with something really great since theoretically it could even be on the penny briefcase if that's where it randomly got put.
I mean what's going to happen when the only thing left is a penny, 75 dollars and 100 dollars, and 2 or 3 other very low amounts. You still have to go through the boringness of picking the other 2 briefcases since no one is going to accept the banker's offer of 10 dollars.
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 08:40 PM\']Adding boxes with special effects is a really nice idea. Maybe something like have a really nice car (like a Corvette) attached randomly to one of the dollar amounts. [/quote]
Make the game a tad more brainless, why don't ya?
This is one game where I think it's more fun to watch than actually play at home.
The difference is lost on me.
Anyhow, I managed to catch it tonight...and I think the show blows:
1. The family on set is annoying as hell. At any moment, I expected them to start yelling "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!"
2. The show lacks atmosphere. I expected a much gloomier, darker, environment. The mood is dissapointingly upbeat.
3. Someone remind me where they find these people--the gentlemen that was on about :38 in seemed rather phony...and scripted.
4. It's very jarring to hear what the banker "says". While most people here know that S&P is watching, casual fans may wonder if what Howie announces is truly what was said over the phone.
And that was in watching just 10 minutes. I didn't bother to watch the rest--there's college hoops on tonight.
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I'm not surprised Mark hates the show.
The set IMO is visually appealing. I was sick of the dark look, it's not 2001. I like how the models enter the set as well, esp. Claudia. ;-)
It's actually a fun little show, even with no skill being required. If it's on just once-a-week, I'll prolly watch.
And there is a little bit of play-at-home element, mainly when the Banker comes up. And I must echo some of the complaints that the phone call is dumb. I wanna hear the Banker's voice, not just a one-sided conversation from Howie.
I like the family on-set. Hell, a big decision like that, I need some folks behind me to let me know that I'm making a good or bad decision. However, it kinda reminds me of the relationship seat on Millionaire, only thing is I wouldn't cut to them so much. Ditch the constant audience reactions as well.
Other than that, a fun little show.
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Okay, now I've seen an episode. I thought it was . . . okay. It definitely doesn't need to air more than a few times per year as a special week, though.
Howie was really good, to the point where I felt pretty sure that his off notes could mostly be blamed on the producers, or all of the crazy people in the studio.
I didn't notice *too* much horrible editing, but I probably was subconsciously looking away from the TV during all of the "scream 'no deal' at the top of your lungs" moments. I got a good chuckle out of the 500 edits that all happened while the banker phone was ringing. "riiiiiiiiiing . . . . . . . . . riiii--riiiiiiing . . riiiiiiiiing . . . . . rii-- . . ."
The Wheel of Fortune producers were no doubt sitting at home watching the contestants and their families, thinking "See? Constant screaming and yelling and flailing around! Why can't *our* contestants be more like that?"
And just because all of the other options have already been voiced, I say get rid of the banker and replace him with the live band from Twenty One. :D
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After day two, I'm eager to watch the rest of the week, but if it became a semi-regular series I don't think I would watch it more than once a week. Unfortunately, the editing was even more jarring tonight -- at times it reminded me of a Ron Popeil informercial.
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Waited for two episodes before I said anything, so much of this may be a repeat, but here goes.
It's well done, but count me among those who wonder how many times you can watch different people play the same game without it getting boring. One of the things that kept LMAD, DoND's closest game show sibling, going for so long was the variety in the deals.
I was a little bit doubtful about Howie Mandel when he was first announced, but I'm really liking him as host. We got to see a bit more of his humor tonight, and it really worked well.
I doubt anyone is ever going to take the first couple bank offers. They're intentionally way low to keep the game going, so you might as well eliminate one of them. Replacing 6-5-4-3-2-1 with 10-5-3-2-1 seems reasonable. Also, early in the game, there's no point in having as much suspense in opening a case as they've had; you might as well go right from calling the number to opening the case, with no talk. It's a little more shocking when you don't get time to brace for bad news, and you'd get more time later in the game if you want or need it.
I don't mind the way Karen's bank offers were essentially the mean value of the remaining cases. If you have the presence of mind while being presented with large sums of money on national television to calculate that sort of thing in your head, more power to you, but I doubt many people in that situation can, and if you get fair value, it doesn't help you with your decision. They do use the psychology of big numbers when the mean value gets high enough; none of the offers tonight were more than 80% of the mean.
If you're not going to have the banker audible on the "phone", Howie should be allowed to have a little bit of fun with it. I'm pretty sure that a man of his comedic talents can keep one end of a phone call interesting, and a bit of laughter might break the tension while the delay brings it higher. Otherwise, find some way to rework the bank offer, because it's kind of pointless as it is.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:52 PM\']And that was in watching just 10 minutes. I didn't bother to watch the rest--there's college hoops on tonight.
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Do you stop watching Jeopardy at the first commercial break? Do you stop watching Millionaire when someone hits $1000? Do you quit on Pyramid after someone wins the frontgame?
Maybe I've just seen (thru the magic of the Internet) the pacing on the UK version, and this feels fast by comparison. If you're one of those people who loves to beat on Press Your Luck, you're not going to like this show, ever.
The banker and the torturing of the contestant with a long phone conversation are severely lacking at this point. They can certainly do a lot more with building up the banker as an antagonist, but I'm not going to hold a grudge for it on day 2. Quickly picking up the phone, getting a number, and putting it back down is better than the alternative, where an offer magically appears and no one knows where it comes from.
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[quote name=\'Speedy G\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:53 PM\']Do you stop watching Jeopardy at the first commercial break? Do you stop watching Millionaire when someone hits $1000? Do you quit on Pyramid after someone wins the frontgame? [/quote]
Look, I dissed the show before it aired, and people cried. I gave the show a chance. I still don't like it. Now you complain more.
If something can't grab your interest in 10 minutes, then it's not worth it. College Hoops>NBC
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[quote name=\'Speedy G\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:53 PM\']
Maybe I've just seen (thru the magic of the Internet) the pacing on the UK version, and this feels fast by comparison. If you're one of those people who loves to beat on Press Your Luck, you're not going to like this show, ever.
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I duuno, I'm a big PYL fan, yet I haven't been completely won over by the show, either. The constestants control less of their fate on this show. Plus, I get the feeling that Howie is not taking this show as serious as the editor makes it seem like he is, it seems that every time he's about to make a jok(HACK) Deal or No Deal?
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I stand corrected regarding the ADR tonight; I think from SS and Matt's comments I was more vigilant to watch for that and it showed. For instance, the whole "low money revealed equals big offers" ADR made me wish that we actually saw Howie talk about that more.
My only complaint is that they didn't show what would have been offered if he had gone on from his deal point; it's that "YOU FOOL!" feeling if you have big money in the case.
Still, according to NBC spin, the premiere had good 18-49s for them, so if this holds up, I would guess it's a weekly event next year... that or at least syndie.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:08 PM\']I stand corrected regarding the ADR tonight; I think from SS and Matt's comments I was more vigilant to watch for that and it showed. For instance, the whole "low money revealed equals big offers" ADR made me wish that we actually saw Howie talk about that more.
My only complaint is that they didn't show what would have been offered if he had gone on from his deal point; it's that "YOU FOOL!" feeling if you have big money in the case.[/quote]
I don't think you had to be more vigilant. The editing on Day Two was just that much worse, especially the ADR which was not only badly done, but badly done and overused. I'm fearful now that they put all their effort into making the first show as sharp as they could (failing in the process) and now subsequent shows are going to be even uglier.
It's not something an average viewer will be conscious of, but it's a quality thing that shouldn't have to be a problem, and if they DID get it right, the show would be that much better.
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I found myself enjoying it a bit more tonight. Deal or No Deal is a better title than what the game really is: Shaft The Banker. It's fun as a cat and mouse game. I no longer care whether a person wins a million or not...the odds are 26:1...instead, did they keep from shooting themselves in the foot long enough to snag a nice offer?
One thing that might be a bit more impressive, just for what it's worth - why just one banker? As long as it's all a fraud anyway, go big! What if you had something akin to a major executive board sitting around the table behind the dark glass... 5-6 people with one at the head of the desk, looking like they're negotiating and later arguing over how much to pay for the case? Make the contestant sweat a bit more. When the decision is made, the big guy picks up the phone and calls. Howie can say, "They have decided to offer you $314,550 for the case." The Bank Trust, maybe?
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I got my TiVo to work. So now I can see.
Again...the LMAD'03-ish editing, but little better. Bring Mark Gentile and the video editing crew for smooth live to tape editing. hehe.
But the show...very nicely excuted.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 10:08 PM\']My only complaint is that they didn't show what would have been offered if he had gone on from his deal point; it's that "YOU FOOL!" feeling if you have big money in the case.
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I don't share that opinion. As soon as the contestant takes a deal, I don't care what case the contestant would have eliminated next, I don't care about what future bank offers could have been... I just want to know whether the case the contestant chose had more money or less money than what they settled for. Once we know that and get a reaction shot from the contestant, let's get someone new out there.
One thing that I'd like to see when the banker's offers are being considered is more of an emphasis on the odds of whether the contestant's case could have more or less than the current offer. Leave that nice shot of the contestant surrounded by the remaining values up longer and have Howie remind them that if they reject the offer, there's a 4 in 15 chance that their case will have a higher amount, while there's a 11 in 15 chance that their case will be worse.
Yes, it's important to the strategy of the game that the better odds of eliminating those low cases will drive the next offer higher, but that won't immediately be recognized by the viewers watching this for the first or second time. It will also help to make those relatively small first couple of offers more meaningful -- there's less than a 50% chance the contestant has more money than that, yet they're turning it down?!? It would be pretty entertaining (to me) if you could get a contestant to buckle early on by emphasizing that. Then, once you get into there being only one big case that's driving the big bank offers, you can talk about how eliminating that case will screw things up.
After a couple of episodes, I find myself watching and hoping that many of the big dollar amounts are eliminated early on, just to see what the bank offers look like. Hmm, probably not the greatest reaction, is it?
I'll probably watch all week because of the "event" mentality of this five-episode run. But to make this a weekly series would be a mistake -- because there's so little variation in how each game plays out, seeing it consistently would kill any uniqueness.
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I found myself enjoying it a bit more tonight.
Better contestants, I think. That first contestant was hard to take.
They DEFINITELY need to have two contestants play to completion per show -- not to cycle more contestants through, but to see more games being completed. Seeing only one game played to completion per show is just too drawn out.
What if you had something akin to a major executive board sitting around the table behind the dark glass... 5-6 people with one at the head of the desk, looking like they're negotiating and later arguing over how much to pay for the case? Make the contestant sweat a bit more. When the decision is made, the big guy picks up the phone and calls. Howie can say, "They have decided to offer you $314,550 for the case." The Bank Trust, maybe?
I don't see a future for you in the game show show consulting business.
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They DEFINITELY need to have two contestants play to completion per show -- not to cycle more contestants through, but to see more games being completed. Seeing only one game played to completion per show is just too drawn out.
I thought the same thing while watching Tuesday's episode. I knew nothing interesting would happen after the first contestant was done because of a lack of time to finish a new game. And the voiceovers were annoying to me tonight.
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I have an idea for those who keep whining that they're not watching b/c there's no game or skill required. After each round, after the bank offer (when a contestant says "No Deal!"), they get a question. Get it right, and the game goes on. Get it wrong, the game ends right there.
Don't know if a consolation amount should be offered, maybe give a higher amount based on what round it is, i.e. round one is only $1,000 or so, but round four could be $5,000 or something.
Better yet, don't offer any consolation money. You had your chance to take the "deal". You get it wrong, you lose the money. Now, there are some minor kinks, such as how much was in the contestant's briefcase, and where's the $1 million one, but that can be worked out.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 06:09 PM\']No. It is an improper way of using the English language, no matter where you're from.
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I'm pretty sure it's taught differently around the world.
http://www.improb.com/news/2001/aug/math101.html (http://\"http://www.improb.com/news/2001/aug/math101.html\") seems to agree, as the Brits and Aussies, and quite likely the Canucks (where Howie learned how to speak) all add the "and".
I guess I'm just not as attentive as some of you are, I don't notice the edits at all.
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[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 01:31 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 06:09 PM\']No. It is an improper way of using the English language, no matter where you're from.
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I'm pretty sure it's taught differently around the world.
http://www.improb.com/news/2001/aug/math101.html (http://\"http://www.improb.com/news/2001/aug/math101.html\") seems to agree, as the Brits and Aussies, and quite likely the Canucks (where Howie learned how to speak) all add the "and".[/quote]
I stand slightly corrected, though I assumed when you said "regional" that you meant regions of the United States. Still, the fact that there may or may not be a different standard in other English-speaking nations (I don't see anything definitive on your page, and there are at least a couple of Kiwi references that agree with me, as do an overwhelming number of presumably American contributors) doesn't change the fact that Howie is doing it wrong here. Of course, so is their announcer, so it obviously doesn't matter to the producers. I still find it sloppy, and I'm certainly not the only one.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 02:09 AM\']No. It is an improper way of using the English language, no matter where you're from. [/quote]
The geezers who invented the language might disagree with you there.
This from the country that gave us "I'll write you Tuesday". Sheesh. ;)
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Is no one bothered by Howie saying (something along the lines of) "the contestant wins whatsever in the case"?
Whatsever?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 01:36 AM\']Is no one bothered by Howie saying (something along the lines of) "the contestant wins whatsever in the case"?
Whatsever?
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I suppose what he's saying is, "what's ever in the case," but of course, it should be "whatever is in the case," or "whatever's in the case."
Whatsamattayou?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 01:36 AM\']Is no one bothered by Howie saying (something along the lines of) "the contestant wins whatsever in the case"?
Whatsever?
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Nope. I'm not particuarly bothered by it at all. Must just be you.
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For some who haven't checked it out, at the NBC Deal site (http://\"http://www.nbc.com/Deal_or_No_Deal/\") are some short, exclusive clips from the past two shows. Click on the "Highlight Video" area.
Between what's on the short internet clips and the edited TV show, it's quite refreshing to look at the internet clips. I've gotten to see the natural interaction and how Howie hosts well, minus the reality show-ish background music and sound effects.
That's quite a difference. Now I know that the family's emotions are real. It looks forced on TV with all the effects and editing.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 11:50 PM\'][quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 10:08 PM\']My only complaint is that they didn't show what would have been offered if he had gone on from his deal point; it's that "YOU FOOL!" feeling if you have big money in the case.
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I don't share that opinion. As soon as the contestant takes a deal, I don't care what case the contestant would have eliminated next, I don't care about what future bank offers could have been... I just want to know whether the case the contestant chose had more money or less money than what they settled for. [snapback]105370[/snapback]
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So you're saying that if Karen Van did have $1M in it, had, say, four or five cases left, took a deal -- you'd want to find out what were in the cases and go on? Wouldn't you like to see agony that she could have had a $500K offer on the board if she went on? Just asking.
I'm happy with the show, don't get me wrong, but there are places where it can improve. Then again, we're the purists here.
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I'm just reading the comments, can someone explain what ADR means please?
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The family on set is annoying as hell. At any moment, I expected them to start yelling "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!"
Well, it isn't like people weren't warned. It's like Millionaire, where chatting and knowing the contestant is equally, if not more, important than the game. Shut up and play the game.
If you're not going to have the banker audible on the "phone", Howie should be allowed to have a little bit of fun with it.
Howie does. It's just edited out.
The editing on Day Two was just that much worse, especially the ADR which was not only badly done, but badly done and overused.
It looks like he's really not saying anything at points where the ADR kicks in. But he's adding information that any dolt could figure out.
One thing that might be a bit more impressive, just for what it's worth - why just one banker?
$$$?
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 03:21 PM\']Yep, Obviously the Banker is there for visual appeal. Isn't that what Television is all about, VISUAL APPEAL? The Banker makes things seem more official. That is the whole point of him being there.
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A one-sided phone conversation with Howie saying "OK...I'll tell her" is not visually appealing. If the Banker makes things seem official, then he needs to "officially" make the offer, and not just have Howie standing there nodding like a trained seal. As it is, it looks silly and almost defeats the whole purpose.
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Two more cents' worth:
The banker doesn't bother me so much. It should give Howie a chance to milk the moment. The trouble is, he doesn't do enough with it.
And there ought to be enough visual interest--after all, we do see the banker, even if he is shaded. He's the flip side of Charlie on "Charlie's Angels"--you can see him, but the interest comes from never hearing him. He just needs to be more of a character. Maybe he should be less shaded.
Also, it's an exciting moment coming off the high of the suitcase reveal to hear the phone ring.
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And another thing. . . is the set TOO big? Everybody's jumping and running all over the place, be it Howie, the player or the player's family. (Except the models, of course, who frankly could stand to do a little more jumping.)
The player should be in a more confined space, more like the King of the Hill on "Jackpot." That way, their energy is contained and focused. In a way, they're on the witness stand. There would be a great release of tension when the game is over and they finally join their family.
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ADR = Automatic Dialogue Replacement, or adding lines in post-production such as Howie saying "You have a bla-bla percent chance of winning bla-bla-bla".
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 12:02 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 01:36 AM\']Is no one bothered by Howie saying (something along the lines of) "the contestant wins whatsever in the case"?
Whatsever?
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Darn those college-level English courses I took.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 02:41 PM\'][quote name=\'wheelloon\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 10:24 AM\']The Banker telephone call to Howie was different, it helps build drama,
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I just gotta say I'm finding it really amusing to see who's lining up on the side of the idiotic Banker Phone being a good idea.
(Everyone involved in the decision is either on PL or is wearing an IFB. There is zero reason for that phone, especially if we're not gonna hear some Banker/Actor make the offer in a sinister voice. Period.)[/quote]
I didn't say the banker phone was a particularly good idea, it was different. Sure it's pointless, but you can't say that part of the reason behind it being there isn't for some sort of drama boost. As other people said, it also gives Howie a chance to build up the moment. To some extent, it gets the job done.
Some of the editing did seem choppy, and the pacing seemed off at times, but reducing the number of cases to 22 or 24 could solve some of that,
You think it will be fixed by removing four cases when the first fourteen or so choices are pretty much irrelevant?
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That's why I inserted the word SOME in that sentence. No, it's not gonna solve all of the choppy editing problems, I was just agreeing with what some other people said about trying to fix it. If you can help it, don't put words in my mouth.
I think Howie did a better job hosting last night than on Monday. He seemed to have loosened up and had gotten more into the game. I also think contestant Amy will definitely cause a good amount of people to continue watching tonight with the $500k and million-dollar cases still in play. She seems to be the easily excitable type, and seeing what havoc they wreak is always fun to watch.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 10:41 AM\']And there ought to be enough visual interest--after all, we do see the banker, even if he is shaded. He's the flip side of Charlie on "Charlie's Angels"--you can see him, but the interest comes from never hearing him.
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Wait. That's it! John Forsythe could be the voice of The Banker.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 10:58 AM\']ADR = Automatic Dialogue Replacement, or adding lines in post-production such as Howie saying "You have a bla-bla percent chance of winning bla-bla-bla".
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I don't think the average viewer notices, but YES they can be annoying. I noticed a bunch of them last night. Trump does the same thing on the Apprentice. Equally annoying.
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Okay, so I went a bit overboard. I'll settle for 4 banker figures and business-like behavior.
I brought that up for one reason - unless I'm really, really missing something, I'm not sensing a "connect" between the banker and the cases. Howie says, "WE have put various amounts of money in the cases...", which could be interpreted as it's all the producer's work, and the banker has nothing to do with anything in the cases. Now if this was the banker's money (or acting as the producer's proxy), I could see why he's pushing to save as much of it as he can. Or, is the banker a mysterious independent speculator, hoping to buy a high value case at a bargain price? I'm just feeling that there's no skin off his nose no matter what you choose, and he's just there to torment you. Can the banker "win"? He is "THE banker" - not our banker. Am I making any sense, or have the meds totally destroyed my mind? I'm still enjoying the show, but I'd like to know why the banker cares about anything. Otherwise, just put up a bunch of envelopes with cash amounts. Fill me in if I've missed something - otherwise ---
flame away.
EDIT: Okay - tonight (wed) I heard Howie say "our" banker. I'm happy!
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 01:27 PM\']but I'd like to know why the banker cares about anything.[/quote]
Okay, from what's osmosized into my brain over the past few days:
Well, it depends on which banker you're talking about. The guy whose silhouette you're seeing? He cares that they're paying him to look the part.
If you're talking about the person actually coming up with the offers, that would be the producer. Presumably, what he cares about is making compelling television, and it seems that the best way to do that is to make offers (at least toward the end) that will leave the contestants with decisions that they're going to have to think twice about, given their tendencies.
In short, what does the banker care about? Just the success of the show. ;)
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Maybe they could do a "Who is the Banker?" home game for thirteen weeks, with the winner correctly guessing Don Trump.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 01:57 PM\']Maybe they could do a "Who is the Banker?" home game for thirteen weeks, with the winner correctly guessing Don Trump.
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Or a monkey. But we're being redundant.
/get the hell out of my office
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Boy, that took a long time to read. :)
Marc Berman put "DOND" in the "Winner" column for both nights. The show seems not to be hurting CBS any ("King of Queens" was also in the "Winner" column Monday night, "NCIS" had solid numbers for repeats last night), but is drawing from the other networks. In my mind, Monday night so far was the toughest with first-run competition (the CBS sitcoms and "Wife Swap"), but "DOND" did OK. Last night, first-run competition was just an episode of "Rodney" on ABC that "DOND" chewed up and spit out. Tonight, it's the "Home For the Holidays" special that I don't really think CBS puts on as a ratings-winner that's the only first-run competition in the hour. We shall see.
As for the show--I agree with a lot of the negative things that have been said in this thread. However, I was caught up in the last two nights and do think that Howie's doing a great job. Will I be as caught up by the end of the week or a few months--hell, a few years--down the line? That I'm not sure about. This is not one of those cases of instant love for a show, but I'll stay with it for the rest of the week.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 02:57 PM\']Maybe they could do a "Who is the Banker?" home game for thirteen weeks, with the winner correctly guessing Don Trump.
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You're fired.
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Right, just saw a download of episode one.
I mean, it's alright, but it is very American i.e. loud, brash and frankly a bit charmless. It'd be nice if they treated you like an adult like in all the other versions (flashing the odds up is all well and good except they only ever seemed to do it when they were going box by box when anyone with merely a quarter of a brain could tell you what they were). Whilst watching other versions, I feel as though I have an investment in the player playing and I care how they do. I can't really say I feel the same here.
The current guise of the banker is a bit of an irritating halfway house between just flashing the figure up and having the host explain the consequences (like the Dutch and Aussie versions) and having some sort of character to rally against (it a skill to get the character of the banker across from one sided telephone conversations, but many versions can and do). I wish you'd do one well rather than try to do both and lose the pros of each.
Still, listing the previous offers is a reasonable idea (although given a decent host wouldn't be neccessary - only three figures matter: the highest offer to date, the last offer and the offer just made), and the spotlight falling on the chosen model and zoom in is quite a neat visual effect.
Overall: meh.
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[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:50 AM\']Right, just saw a download of episode one.
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Can you help me in getting that episode please?
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 02:54 PM\'] I don't the average viewer notices, but YES they can be annoying. I noticed a bunch of them last night. Trump does the same thing on the Apprentice. Equally annoying.
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I watched it with an "average" viewer, and she was rather annoyed with it. It's getting much worse by the episode. Howie's a good host... what's up with all the *&#$ing added commentary?
Brandon Brooks
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I assume Brandon is talking about tonight's (Wednesday's) show, and boy howdy, the ADR did indeed go into overdrive. I really don't get how anyone could think all of that is a good idea. There was one stretch of ADR dialogue that lasted about 20 seconds, and because this is also a Show of Many Edits, it was almost a game to show everything but Howie's mouth. "He's still talking about odds from the bottom of a barrel, oh wait, he's turning aroundCUT to grandma!" Most of what he's saying is not nearly vital enough to be this distracting, and if he's just miked that poorly in-studio and you're filling in what he was already saying, well, you should've fixed that before Hour Three.
And, hell, I'll mention a horrible visual edit, too. How do you cut from the contestant plainly holding the case, directly to Howie holding the case five feet away from him, and still have a job? Way to make the below-average viewer suspicious, NBC. Although I do applaud you on your desperate attempt at solving the unemployment problem.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 09:58 PM\']I assume Brandon is talking about tonight's (Wednesday's) show, and boy howdy, the ADR did indeed go into overdrive. I really don't get how anyone could think all of that is a good idea. There was one stretch of ADR dialogue that lasted about 20 seconds, and because this is also a Show of Many Edits, it was almost a game to show everything but Howie's mouth. "He's still talking about odds from the bottom of a barrel, oh wait, he's turning aroundCUT to grandma!" Most of what he's saying is not nearly vital enough to be this distracting, and if he's just miked that poorly in-studio and you're filling in what he was already saying, well, you should've fixed that before Hour Three.
And, hell, I'll mention a horrible visual edit, too. How do you cut from the contestant plainly holding the case, directly to Howie holding the case five feet away from him, and still have a job? Way to make the below-average viewer suspicious, NBC. Although I do applaud you on your desperate attempt at solving the unemployment problem.
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Oh, for the days of "live to tape". ADR and bad editing suck. What's worse, while the first 2 episodes had pop-up captions, the third had scroll captions, and even those didn't include some of Howie's ADR [looping].
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 02:36 AM\']Is no one bothered by Howie saying (something along the lines of) "the contestant wins whatsever in the case"?
Whatsever?[/quote]
Yeah, I had a problem with that too, but I was fighting my battles one at a time.
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[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 03:54 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 10:58 AM\']ADR = Automatic Dialogue Replacement, or adding lines in post-production such as Howie saying "You have a bla-bla percent chance of winning bla-bla-bla".[/quote]
I don't the average viewer notices, but YES they can be annoying. I noticed a bunch of them last night. Trump does the same thing on the Apprentice. Equally annoying.[/quote]
The average viewer may not understand why it's happening, and certainly not what it's called, but you'd have to be pretty tuned out and clueless not to hear it.
Put it this way: Even YOU noticed it.
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I've been trying to figure out whether The Banker's offers are arbitrary amounts, or if some kind of formula is being employed in terms of the dollar amounts remaining on the board. Any takers on this passably interesting question?
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[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:00 AM\']I've been trying to figure out whether The Banker's offers are arbitrary amounts, or if some kind of formula is being employed in terms of the dollar amounts remaining on the board. Any takers on this passably interesting question?
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Thus far, it seems like this version sticks pretty close to the average in the late rounds. There is not any known exact formula as of yet, but at the very least, there's some sort of mathematical determination of a range of possible offers. The "banker" can then consider a player's body language in that situation.
But he certainly doesn't roll a million-sided die and offer that much money.
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This talk of editing with an Osterizer compels me to post Chris Clementson's Rule #2 of Game Show Directing:
With the exception of a reveal, you will seldom go wrong taking a shot of a contestant.
Note the emphasis on "With the exception of a reveal". When Howie says "Open the case", take a shot of the case. Not the family, not the contestant, not the scoreboard, not the cue card boy. The case. Lay the reaction shots/cutaways in BEFORE Howie finishes giving the reveal cue:
(SHOT OF FAMILY)
(SHOT OF CONTESTANT)
HOWIE: Open the case.
(SHOT OF CASE AND REVEAL)
Chris Clementson's Rule #1 of Game Show Directing: Never miss a reveal. Did you get that, Bart? Here, let me turn up the volume for you, Bart: Never miss a reveal. That applies to directors named Mike, directors named Paul, directors named Andy, and directors named Bart.
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I decided to also wait until getting a few eps on the dvr before putting my $.02 in.
It's certainly not perfect by any means. The ADR is getting on my nerves, and the editing is mind-boggling.
Not that I'm knocking Howie, I think that his performance has been WAY better than I have expected it. I believe in the next cycle of eps, there will be a lot less ADR as Howie will hopefully know what to say and when to say it. I may be the only one here that finds his commercial throws to be hilarious when it comes at a "suspensful" time in the game.
One of the things that I find refreshing (and that many here may think I am on crack for saying) is that I like when Howie strolls around "center stage" (for lack of a better term) during gameplay. I feel this is not the type of show where the host needs to be holding the hand of the contestant for the entire game.
The contestant's families are annoying too...I don't need to see four other members of the contestant's family. If I want to see five family members on a game show, I'll start DVR-ing Family Feud. Just having the significant other and maybe one other person would suffice. On a positive note though, I thought it was pure EVIL having Amy's children call in on the banker's phone, even though I don't think it would have made a difference because I think the outcome would have been the same.
With all the gripes, I still think the game is solid, I've been yelling at my tv like an idiot. Moaning and groaning at the right spots upon certain reveals. At my place, we try to guess the banker's offers, and we have a bit of fun with it.
I don't think it will catch on like every other country in the world, but it may have a good run if it's not run into the ground and if the on-air product improves. And if all else fails, I'll port the shows over to DVD so that ten years from now I may be able to find someone desperate enough to trade DoND eps for some classic stuff.
That's my take
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[quote name=\'cool245\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 09:11 AM\']I love this game I really hope someone wins $1 million on Deal or No Deal on NBC.
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I really hope I get a blackjack for Christmas. Of course, if I do, then you'll see me on America's Most Wanted on FOX.
So, at your workplace has this show gotten any buzz from your co-workers? Y'know, water cooler talk? I work for a Radio/TV outlet and it's not on anyone's radar screen around here. WWTBAM, meanwhile, was the talk of the town during the late summer of 1999 in this building.
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I strongly suspect this five-day event won't be the last of the show that we'll see in the US. Zap2It has an article showing solid ratings for the first two nights, and I read a second article over Yahoo! News showing a spike in viewership of some 2 million between the 1st half hour and the 2nd on Tuesday's show. I'll post links later if anybody wants to see them. Last night's show got my heart pounding a few times, and I got a few phone calls from others who were asking if I was watching.
Yes, the ADR is VERY noticeable and annoying, but I have also seen Howie growing more comfortable with his new role, even at this early stage. This show does have some growing to do, but since it has pretty good odds of returning at some point, let's hope that NBC doesn't make the same mistakes with it that ABC did when they overexposed WWTBAM.
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I could live with the bad ADR, but if the phone call from the daughters is indicative of what's to come, I won't be tuning in again. And by bad ADR, I mean that the sound quality was noticeably different from when he was on camera.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:16 AM\'] since it has pretty good odds of returning at some point, let's hope that NBC doesn't make the same mistakes with it that ABC did when they overexposed WWTBAM.[/quote]
If I make NBC's schedule, I'm already planning three days a week, M-W-F at 8pm. Anybody asks for a fourth day, or running two days in a row, I fire his ass.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:35 AM\'][quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:16 AM\'] since it has pretty good odds of returning at some point, let's hope that NBC doesn't make the same mistakes with it that ABC did when they overexposed WWTBAM.[/quote]
If I make NBC's schedule, I'm already planning three days a week, M-W-F at 8pm. Anybody asks for a fourth day, or running two days in a row, I fire his ass.
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If anything, I see it either Wed/Fri or Mon/Fri. Surface has been OK at best, with a full-season renewal, and that could get moved to Wednesday for Deal to go. Or, have Deal as a lead-in/out to/from E-Ring.
That, or make it a weekly with big money and a syndie with $250K as top prize and cutting down the amount of boxes. I have a feeling that Megan Mullaly won't go for fall 2006; that, or it will be overshadowed if DoND does go syndie. I know what I'd go towards. ;)
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I think syndie budgets could allow making the top value $500K, but making the top five values something like $500K-$200K-$100K-$50K-$25K, somewhat akin to the Millionaire tree. Rarely would the show give away $500K or even $200K, and maybe the higher amounts could be annuities.
The biggest problem would be finding a workable format that fits in 22 minutes, unless straddling would be an option.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 08:48 AM\']The biggest problem would be finding a workable format that fits in 22 minutes, unless straddling would be an option.
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Straddling is not only an option, it's damn near a requirement. The game can be over in 5 minutes or 20, depending on if someone dives on an early Bank Offer.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 20 2005, 09:14 AM\']The point made about Howie needing to shore up his commercial pitches is a good one, but I'm willing to write that off to first-show jitters. I could tell he improved even over the course of the hour, so I have high hopes for the rest of the week.
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I wanna give credit where credit is due, here. Just over the course of three shows, Howie has gotten GOOD at the commercial pitch.
I shook my head when they said "It's gonna be Howie Mandel", but dammit, he's freakin' GOOD. I would love to see this show succeed just to see Howie do this some more, even if it DOES stay broken. I even like the fist bump.
(And I enjoy the show open a lot, too, even with that silly vault. The walk with the sudden emergence onto the set as he hits the Eternal Question is neat. Beats the hell out of Johnny Vaughn opening that stupid door. :))
GOTTA do something about "Open the case." If he mixes THAT up a bit, his evil break pitches will be that much more convincing. "Let's see what's in there....AFTER THIS!!"
And he's done this, too, but I gotta eat a little crow on "Open the case!" He seems to be turning it into a little catchphrase of sorts, by having the contestant issue the order occasionally. Not bad at all.
For such a broken, poorly post-productioned show, we sure seem to enjoy watching it, though, don't we? (Unless your name is Mark Odor, of course, and anyone who didn't see THAT one coming down Broadway just wasn't thinking.)
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All I can say is "ditto", Chris.
And he's done this, too, but I gotta eat a little crow on "Open the case!" He seems to be turning it into a little catchphrase of sorts, by having the contestant issue the order occasionally. Not bad at all.
Well, I do have one evil thought. At least he's not doing the occasional "Show and tell" like Gene Rayburn would do on MG. (ducking!)
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:42 AM\']If anything, I see it either Wed/Fri or Mon/Fri. Surface has been OK at best, with a full-season renewal, and that could get moved to Wednesday for Deal to go. Or, have Deal as a lead-in/out to/from E-Ring.
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Well, let's take a look at the January schedule as it stands right now (Saturday omitted for obvious reasons):
SUNDAY
7:00 - Dateline
8:00 - The West Wing
9:00 - Law & Order: Criminal Intent
10:00 - Crossing Jordan
MONDAY
8:00 - Surface
9:00 - Las Vegas
10:00 - Medium
TUESDAY
8:00 - Fear Factor
9:00 - Scrubs (back-to-back eps)*
10:00 - Law & Order: SVU
WEDNESDAY
8:00 - E-Ring
9:00 - The Biggest Loser: Special Edition*
10:00 - Law & Order
THURSDAY
8:00 - Will & Grace
8:30 - Four Kings*
9:00 - My Name is Earl
9:30 - The Office
9:59 - ER
FRIDAY
8:00 - Most Outrageous TV Moments*
9:00 - Dateline
10:00 - The Book of Daniel*
* midseason entry
First off, Team Peacock is spending most of February in Torino. After the countdown to Vancouver 2010 begins, another cycle of The Apprentice is waiting in the wings, as well as upcoming drama series Kidnapped. I don't see DoND returning until May at least, but I would make it a Monday-Wednesday summer entry.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:48 AM\']I think syndie budgets could allow making the top value $500K, but making the top five values something like $500K-$200K-$100K-$50K-$25K, somewhat akin to the Millionaire tree. Rarely would the show give away $500K or even $200K, and maybe the higher amounts could be annuities.
The biggest problem would be finding a workable format that fits in 22 minutes, unless straddling would be an option.
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As said before, straddling would be a good thing in this case... but who says you'd have this as a half-hour? Do remember that top prize for syndie Link was (EDIT)$100K(EDIT), so I would think you'd keep your top prize around there.
All I ask is that you have the potential contestants be the case holders and root the king of the hill on... you get *so* much more out of that IMO.
And yes -- I'm completely biased with my opinions after watching the UK show.
One more thing... I know it's been said before, but I finally had the Roncomatic Showtime ADR epiphany last night. I swear Howie was going to include a case of SprayOn Hair (tm) along with the banker's offer.
I stand corrected on the amount.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:04 PM\']Do remember that top prize for syndie Link was $250K, so I would think you'd keep your top prize around there.
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I agree with that, but I have to say your figures are off. $75,000 and $100,000 were the top syndie Link prizes.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 12:22 PM\']I could live with the bad ADR, but if the phone call from the daughters is indicative of what's to come, I won't be tuning in again. [/quote]
On the other hand, for a show justly criticized for its predictability, didn't we all do a "what the hell?" double-take when that phone rang a second time?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:43 PM\']On the other hand, for a show justly criticized for its predictability, didn't we all do a "what the hell?" double-take when that phone rang a second time?
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I damn sure did. I was expecting the banker to call back with another, better offer.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 12:22 PM\']I could live with the bad ADR, but if the phone call from the daughters is indicative of what's to come, I won't be tuning in again. [/quote]
On the other hand, for a show justly criticized for its predictability, didn't we all do a "what the hell?" double-take when that phone rang a second time?
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I agree with that....I thought it was the bank again to sweeten the offer a little...and you would think they would do the Monty Hall Paradox at some point when it gets to the last two and there's a ND..(bank calls up and offers to swap cases)...
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 12:22 PM\']I could live with the bad ADR, but if the phone call from the daughters is indicative of what's to come, I won't be tuning in again. [/quote]
On the other hand, for a show justly criticized for its predictability, didn't we all do a "what the hell?" double-take when that phone rang a second time?
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I thought for sure it was going to be a telemarketer calling.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:49 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:43 PM\']On the other hand, for a show justly criticized for its predictability, didn't we all do a "what the hell?" double-take when that phone rang a second time?
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I damn sure did. I was expecting the banker to call back with another, better offer.
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I was expecting an offer to allow the player to switch her case. Isn't that what's done in some other countries?
Yeah, I certainly double-took when it rang again.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:51 PM\']I agree with that....I thought it was the bank again to sweeten the offer a little...and you would think they would do the Monty Hall Paradox at some point when it gets to the last two and there's a ND..(bank calls up and offers to swap cases)...[/quote]
That really wouldn't be nearly as comparable to the Monty Hall Problem as it would appear. Remember, not even the producers actually know what's in the cases, only a third-party observer who has nothing to do with game play. Also, the cases have been removed randomly, which is counter to the central conceit of the Monty Hall Problem.
Offering to switch the last two cases wouldn't actually change the odds of the game at all. In fact, it doesn't really matter that a player picks "his" case at the beginning. Statistically, the game would work exactly the same if the player didn't choose a case to start and simply "won" whatever amount was in the last case left unopened.
All a "Swap Cases" offer would do is just introduce one more mind-game headache for the player. Which, I imagine, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
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If anything, it's a great thing.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:43 PM\'][quote name=\'weaklink75\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:51 PM\']I agree with that....I thought it was the bank again to sweeten the offer a little...and you would think they would do the Monty Hall Paradox at some point when it gets to the last two and there's a ND..(bank calls up and offers to swap cases)...[/quote]
That really wouldn't be nearly as comparable to the Monty Hall Problem as it would appear. Remember, not even the producers actually know what's in the cases, only a third-party observer who has nothing to do with game play. Also, the cases have been removed randomly, which is counter to the central conceit of the Monty Hall Problem.
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Thanks for acknowledging that, Matt... I was about to jump all over it. :-)
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[quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:34 AM\']I thought for sure it was going to be a telemarketer calling.
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Line of the day.
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 12:05 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:43 PM\']That really wouldn't be nearly as comparable to the Monty Hall Problem as it would appear.
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Thanks for acknowledging that, Matt... I was about to jump all over it. :-)
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I think he was simply alluding to the feature of the Monty Hall Paradox where the player has the option to switch out their case, not any probability ramifications that extend from that.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 03:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:34 AM\']I thought for sure it was going to be a telemarketer calling.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 12:05 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 02:43 PM\']That really wouldn't be nearly as comparable to the Monty Hall Problem as it would appear.
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Thanks for acknowledging that, Matt... I was about to jump all over it. :-)
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I think he was simply alluding to the feature of the Monty Hall Paradox where the player has the option to switch out their case, not any probability ramifications that extend from that.
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exactly....it would be different if you, say, would get a call from the "independent auditor" who knows what's in the cases, is on the banker's side, and he offers to switch out....
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:02 PM\']exactly....it would be different if you, say, would get a call from the "independent auditor" who knows what's in the cases, is on the banker's side, and he offers to switch out....
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This concludes my attempt to defend this guy. Have at, gentlemen.
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Isn't the "third party" just good old NBC S&P?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:43 PM\']On the other hand, for a show justly criticized for its predictability, didn't we all do a "what the hell?" double-take when that phone rang a second time?[/quote]
On the third hand, for a show justly criticized for its editing, I thought it was more of the same for a few seconds.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 04:38 PM\']On the third hand, for a show justly criticized for its editing, I thought it was more of the same for a few seconds.
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"On the third hand ..." ? You don't happen to live in Roswell, NM, do you?
(ducking!)
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 03:19 PM\']"On the third hand ..." ? You don't happen to live in Roswell, NM, do you?
(ducking!)
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*throws a flying saucer at JW*
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 21 2005, 05:57 PM\']Maybe they could do a "Who is the Banker?" home game for thirteen weeks, with the winner correctly guessing Don Trump.
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Wouldn't work - the Banker's identity is known, and he is credited at the end of the show. Those of you with archived episodes can look it up. I don't remember his name.
The only name NBC wants you to remember these days, it seems, is EARL.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 01:22 PM\']Isn't the "third party" just good old NBC S&P?
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In the past we've discussed the dismantling of some of the networks' decade old traditions. It appears as though NBC S&P has been scaled down, at least in their on-set monitoring of D/ND. The network lawyers who were alive and well and roaming Studio 1 in Burbank as recently as NBC's prime time "Weakest Link", weren't as obvious at these tapings. While network S&P executives still oversee the operation, the front line responsibility for keeping this game fair now lies with an independent third party. And a familiar one it is... The Sullivan Compliance Company.
The familiar faces from Sullivan have been ubiquitous at game shows in recent years, and pretty much have the lock on syndie and cable programs. I've worked with or seen their smiling faces at Syndie Link, H2, FF, Hollywood Showdown, 3's A Crowd, Russian Roulette, Supermarket Sweep, etc.. They're even working Cash Cab in New York! But to my knowledge D/ND is the first show with Sullivan in the trenches at a network prime-time game; I'd love to know if there has been a precedent.
Yes, the standards are set and the compliance is enforced just as strenuously. It's just apparently in keeping with the trend of the new millenium: outsourcing.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 11:25 PM\']
Wouldn't work - the Banker's identity is known, and he is credited at the end of the show. Those of you with archived episodes can look it up. I don't remember his name.
The only name NBC wants you to remember these days, it seems, is EARL.
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Just went back into the ep #4 credits after just watching it. The banker's name is Peter Abbay
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 12:51 PM\']I agree with that....I thought it was the bank again to sweeten the offer a little...and you would think they would do the Monty Hall Paradox at some point when it gets to the last two and there's a ND..(bank calls up and offers to swap cases)...
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Which did happen, BTW (surprised nobody brought up anything that took place in Friday's ep)--although Howie himself made the offer (it didn't come from the banker).
Doug -- and the countdown to 1700 continues (ho-ho-ho)
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My shake-my-head moment of the night came after the final contestant's briefcase was opened to reveal $75,000. An instant later, as the celebrating was in earnest, popped up on the screen was JANETTE HAD $75,000 IN HER CASE. Bless Endemol for that graphic. So much time had gone by since the revelation that I had forgotten.
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Oh, yes. I had almost forgotten that.
THERE IS A 100% CHANCE THAT JANETTE DID NOT WIN $100,000.
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If the Banker was using the NBC Online game for determining the offer, when it was down to $75,000 and $100,000, would the offer have been $60,000?
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'cool245\' date=\'Dec 22 2005, 09:11 AM\']I love this game I really hope someone wins $1 million on Deal or No Deal on NBC. Last night was a good night with the contestants winning a good amount of money. Can't wait for tonights episode.
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So, Harvey,did you really like the show, or are you just agreeing to disagree?
I do think that this would be the perfect show for a syndie half hour version. The thing is it would probably need to be scaled down quite a bit because the show couldn't afford the hefty payouts on a daily basis. Yes I know they have sponsors, but even 200k a few times a week would break the banker.
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[quote name=\'pocketchange2006\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 01:38 PM\']So, Harvey[/quote]
Hmm. Interesting. Though not surprising.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 04:52 PM\'][quote name=\'pocketchange2006\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 01:38 PM\']So, Harvey[/quote]
Hmm. Interesting. Though not surprising.
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Actually, I doubt that cool245 is Harvey -- I've checked the IP addresses and none matches up with Harvey's usual MO.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 02:00 PM\']Actually, I doubt that cool245 is Harvey -- I've checked the IP addresses and none matches up with Harvey's usual MO.
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That wasn't the part I found interesting.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 05:05 PM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 02:00 PM\']Actually, I doubt that cool245 is Harvey -- I've checked the IP addresses and none matches up with Harvey's usual MO.
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That wasn't the part I found interesting.
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You mean how someone who's posted a grand total of 17 times knows all about Harv? Yes, that aroused my back furr as well.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 02:10 PM\']You mean how someone who's posted a grand total of 17 times knows all about Harv? Yes, that aroused my back furr as well.
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Well, he did mention reading rec.arts.tv in another posts, another favorite trolling haven for ol' Harv, but still...yeah. Something isn't right.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 05:23 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 02:10 PM\']You mean how someone who's posted a grand total of 17 times knows all about Harv? Yes, that aroused my back furr as well.
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Well, he did mention reading rec.arts.tv in another posts, another favorite trolling haven for ol' Harv, but still...yeah. Something isn't right.
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I was looking for another post and just happened to see that mess. What is this, TTTT(any version)? It seems like people here like to figure out who is who, track ip's, etc. Do some of these people have lives outside this board? Certainly hope so.
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[quote name=\'pocketchange2006\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 04:58 PM\']It seems like people here like to figure out who is who, track ip's, etc. Do some of these people have lives outside this board? Certainly hope so.
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Hint: questioning the social life of a moderator whose job is basically to keep this place troll-free is not wise.
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[quote name=\'pocketchange2006\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 07:58 PM\']What is this, TTTT(any version)? It seems like people here like to figure out who is who, track ip's, etc.
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No, just you. Because after less than 25 posts, you're already coming off as obnoxious.
[quote name=\'pocketchange2006\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 07:58 PM\'] Do some of these people have lives outside this board? Certainly hope so.
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This coming from the kid who adds to 3 month old posts to comment on what Family Feud set he likes?
Please. Go back to lurking.
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[quote name=\'pocketchange2006\' date=\'Dec 26 2005, 07:58 PM\']blah..blah...blah...
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Are we sure this guy isn't one of our "old friends" from the past?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Dec 27 2005, 02:44 AM\']Are we sure this guy isn't one of our "old friends" from the past?
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Apparently, no, we weren't sure in the least. :)
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And in case we forgot about Raygor's question, the producers have the Endemol software that pops out the range for bank offers--they pick the amount in between that range that they would.