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Lately, over the last few months or so, whenever some gag gets an underwhelming reaction from the audience, David Letterman will mutter, "Not a match. The board goes back."
Oldtimers, such as myself, will recognize this as a quote from Hugh Downs when he used to host Concentration.
"Look at these two puzzle parts and tell me what the puzzle says!"
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Apparently, Letterman likes putting obscure game show references into his show. I know it's not a hat tip to us or anything, but it's cool sometimes. I'm kinda surprised Worldwide Pants hasn't tried to put a game show together.
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There was also the "Beat the Clock" bit, which was one of the weirder things they've done. I mean, I enjoy "Will It Float?" and sundry other things that are so not funny they're funny, but "Beat the Clock" was downright odd.
But I did enjoy how Dave would say, "we stop the clock, you beat the clock" just as Bud Collyer said it.
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Letterman has proven repeatedly that he's one of us, a true game show fan with a real knowledge of the shows and their history. The fact that we take ourselves seriously and he mines that information for laughs is why some of us are multi-million dollar entertainers and some of us host local high school quiz bowls.
I wouldn't be surprised if Alan Kalter's game show background played at least some part in his hiring. They certainly riff on it often enough. "What are we playing for, Alan?"
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 12:29 PM\']But I did enjoy how Dave would say, "we stop the clock, you beat the clock" just as Bud Collyer said it.
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...and therein lies the ENTIRE premise of the gag. So if you enjoyed that, that's all you need.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 12:07 PM\']Lately, over the last few months or so, whenever some gag gets an underwhelming reaction from the audience, David Letterman will mutter, "Not a match. The board goes back."
Oldtimers, such as myself, will recognize this as a quote from Hugh Downs when he used to host Concentration.
"Look at these two puzzle parts and tell me what the puzzle says!"
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What was Hugh Downs' spiel at the top of the show that ended, "... or something you know"?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 03:05 PM\']...and therein lies the ENTIRE premise of the gag. So if you enjoyed that, that's all you need.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. I must just like "Would You Please Stop Calling Me Chief?" better. Gosh, it's just like some folks like "What's My Line?" and some like "I've Got a Secret."
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 04:07 PM\'][quote name=\'alfonzos\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 12:07 PM\']Lately, over the last few months or so, whenever some gag gets an underwhelming reaction from the audience, David Letterman will mutter, "Not a match. The board goes back."
Oldtimers, such as myself, will recognize this as a quote from Hugh Downs when he used to host Concentration.
"Look at these two puzzle parts and tell me what the puzzle says!"
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What was Hugh Downs' spiel at the top of the show that ended, "... or something you know"?
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I believe what Hugh said was "The object of the game is to try and solve a puzzle. It could be a person, place, or something you know?" I may not have the exact wording on this but I'm sure Hugh did say this as he approached his podium.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 12:41 PM\']The fact that we take ourselves seriously and he mines that information for laughs is why some of us are multi-million dollar entertainers and some of us host local high school quiz bowls
[/quote]To extend the metaphor, some of "us" insist on posting totally irrelevant game show minutia to the Letterman-related sites and Usenet boards, despite desperate pleas not to do so. And I suspect *that* person is living in his mommie's basement, or perhaps a van down by the river.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Aug 16 2005, 01:13 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 12:41 PM\']The fact that we take ourselves seriously and he mines that information for laughs is why some of us are multi-million dollar entertainers and some of us host local high school quiz bowls
[/quote]To extend the metaphor, some of "us" insist on posting totally irrelevant game show minutia to the Letterman-related sites and Usenet boards, despite desperate pleas not to do so. And I suspect *that* person is living in his mommie's basement, or perhaps a van down by the river.
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This person doesn't have a certain affection for a certain Midwest-based lottery contest, does he?
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[quote name=\'JohnTheGameMan\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 06:05 PM\']I believe what Hugh said was "The object of the game is to try and solve a puzzle. It could be a person, place, or something you know?" I may not have the exact wording on this but I'm sure Hugh did say this as he approached his podium.
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Don't remember it exactly, but close enough.
And Bob Clayton continued to use the (probably Bob Noah-written) verbiage to the end--although in later years, him saying it, along with the door-closing music cue, was usually an indication that they were running out of time and needed to kill 20 seconds (they tended in later years to either start the game after a break or have the doors close during the interview when there was a closeup of the new contestant). They'd do the whole "Let's play 'Concentration!'" bit, with the object, and Clayton would go, "Maureen, you're our challenger...first...two...num [doorbell "time's up" SFX]...well, I guess we'll start later. We'll return with more 'Concentration' after this message."
IIRC, Clayton didn't do a Jack Barry and ask the contestants if they could come back tomorrow, but until the end if a game was interrupted at the end of the show he continued to read off the card "We'll finish this game in the studio and show you the results tomorrow..."
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 16 2005, 11:16 AM\']IIRC, Clayton didn't do a Jack Barry and ask the contestants if they could come back tomorrow, but until the end if a game was interrupted at the end of the show he continued to read off the card "We'll finish this game in the studio and show you the results tomorrow..."
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Was Concentration the only game show in which the game would continue & finish once officially off the air?
And no, the 21st Century wave of reality shows, (i.e. Survivor, Amazing Race,...) are not being considered for this question.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Aug 16 2005, 10:08 PM\']Was Concentration the only game show in which the game would continue & finish once officially off the air?
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[quote name=\'NewJersey137\' date=\'Aug 16 2005, 09:25 PM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Aug 16 2005, 10:08 PM\']Was Concentration the only game show in which the game would continue & finish once officially off the air?
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I was thinking that as well, but usually Jim said that only in the middle of a contract.
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[quote name=\'JohnTheGameMan\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 06:05 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 04:07 PM[/quote\']
What was Hugh Downs' spiel at the top of the show that ended, "... or something you know"?
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I believe what Hugh said was "The object of the game is to try and solve a puzzle. It could be a person, place, or something you know?" I may not have the exact wording on this but I'm sure Hugh did say this as he approached his podium.
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"The object of the game is to solve the puzzle, which could be a name, a title, a well known phrase, or something you know."
Is that closer to it?
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Dave's been known to inject a few game show references back in his NBC days -- including the aforementioned "not a match" and Allen Ludden's hand gesture showing the password "pinhead" on the screen.
My favorite game show-esque bit from the NBC days started when Dave read a letter from a viewer hoping to be a contestant on Family Feud (Combs version). The viewer wanted to recruit Dave and Paul Shaffer as teammates because the viewer considered the host and bandleader like family.
Dave asked Paul what he thought of the viewer and his request. Paul responded, "I think he's a bonehead."
Dave then said, "Show me 'bonehead'!"
Cue to video of a FF/CBS board with the 10 ten answers on the board. Immediately after Hal Gurnee, the director, starts rolling the video, the #1 answer of "bonehead" (sans what the survey said) flips over. The FF theme plays, the audience is cheering and Paul's jumping up and down. Seconds later, Paul and (I think) Will Lee, the bassist from the then World's Most Dangerous Band, place their hands on part of the set -- as if they're getting ready for the faceoff to start a new round.
The bit snowballed from there throughout the hour.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 02:41 PM\']I wouldn't be surprised if Alan Kalter's game show background played at least some part in his hiring. They certainly riff on it often enough. "What are we playing for, Alan?"
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Alan Kalter WAS a subtitute announcer on the $20,000 pyramid, and Letterman WAS a celebrity on the same program.
I bet those two met and conspired to create the lamest talk-show in history.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 10:59 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 15 2005, 02:41 PM\']I wouldn't be surprised if Alan Kalter's game show background played at least some part in his hiring. They certainly riff on it often enough. "What are we playing for, Alan?"
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Alan Kalter WAS a subtitute announcer on the $20,000 pyramid, and Letterman WAS a celebrity on the same program.
I bet those two met and conspired to create the lamest talk-show in history.
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You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding. 23 Posts and I can't tell. Please tell us you're kidding.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 11:18 AM\'][quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 10:59 AM\']
Alan Kalter WAS a subtitute announcer on the $20,000 pyramid, and Letterman WAS a celebrity on the same program.
I bet those two met and conspired to create the lamest talk-show in history.
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You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding. 23 Posts and I can't tell. Please tell us you're kidding.
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Tough call. Let's go to the audience and post the odds.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 01:09 PM\']Tough call. Let's go to the audience and post the odds.
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Anybody wanna ride the 99:1 that it's Karlberg in disguise?
But if you think about it, he might be right. Kalter and Letterman may have met on the set of the Pyramid, and they could have made a conspiracy. Of course, my name is not John Chartier.
The first thing that defeats the argument is the fact that Kalter didn't even start to work with Letterman until 1995, which would put around 20 years (can't say exactly how much, because I have never seen an episode of The $20,000 Pyramid) between that time and the debut of Big Red on the Late Show. (And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bill Wendell the announcer before Kalter?)
As for musicman's crack that Letterman is the lamest talk show of all time: maybe Dave's not as good as he once was, but surely you can't honestly say that Dreammaker, Mark Walberg, Dr. Laura, The Howie Mandel Show, Donny & Marie, The Magic Hour, whatever the hell Carnie Wilson hosted, Jim Rome Is Burning, or anything else you can list is better than Dave. Give me a break, kid.
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Yeah Bill Wendell was the original announcer for Late Show and Late Night...I think he evens date back to The David Letterman Show on NBC. Of course, he and Kalter were announcers on TTTT and yadda yadda...
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By the time "Concentration" got to Bob Clayton, the "We'll finish this game in the studio..." line was a holdover from the live TV days, when they did finish the game after they went off the air--and perhaps when tape first came in, but they were still doing the show live, they taped the completion of the game and showed it the next day (while holding up set changes if the studio was going to be used for another show that day). By Clayton's tenure, they were taping multiple shows in a day and even though he'd say that, everyone would go back and change clothes and tape another show 10 minutes later.
But outside of self-designed logos, set repaints and other minor game or prize tweaks, Norm Blumenthal seemed to be resistant to almost any change--including host verbiage.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 02:15 PM\']By the time "Concentration" got to Bob Clayton, the "We'll finish this game in the studio..." line was a holdover from the live TV days, when they did finish the game after they went off the air--and perhaps when tape first came in, but they were still doing the show live, they taped the completion of the game and showed it the next day...
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Maybe I'm missing something here...but does that mean that early on, parts of games never got broadcast or even recorded?
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 01:50 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 02:15 PM\']By the time "Concentration" got to Bob Clayton, the "We'll finish this game in the studio..." line was a holdover from the live TV days, when they did finish the game after they went off the air--and perhaps when tape first came in, but they were still doing the show live, they taped the completion of the game and showed it the next day...
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Maybe I'm missing something here...but does that mean that early on, parts of games never got broadcast or even recorded?
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Very likely--I'm too young to remember, but I assume that in the days of live television and no taping, they'd finish up the game after going off the air and open the show the next day with Hugh introducing the winner, showing the puzzle and doing the prize plugs (perhaps having the board set to show where the puzzle was solved). They'd then go to a commercial and bring out the new challenger.
Convenient, just in case someone couldn't come back to 30 Rock the next day.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 10:59 AM\']I bet those two met and conspired to create the lamest talk-show in history.
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Sorry, some of us appreciate Dave's ability to spin a five-minute yarn about going to a rodeo far more than we appreciate Jay Leno's, uh, comedy ("We picked a D-list comedian at random and sent him to a convention this weekend. Let's see what happened! After that, we'll be looking at items sold on Ebay without an actual punchline to the piece!")
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I'm pretty sure that, upon moving to CBS in 1993, Dave conspired with the Family Feud folks to load a 12-answer board (or two) with offbeat answers, and film each of them being revealed. The first few months of the CBS run had Dave using the bit constantly. "Show me ham!" *ding*
(Dave dug it up as recently as a year or so ago with a "Show me Oprah!")
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Paul also had some affinity for game shows. When Catherine O'Hara appeared a few years back, her entrance was accompanied by the theme from the Canadian "Party Game," on which they had apparently appeared. This led to an inquiry from Dave on how it was played, who was the host, etc.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 03:17 PM\']Sorry, some of us appreciate Dave's ability to spin a five-minute yarn about going to a rodeo far more than we appreciate Jay Leno's, uh, comedy ("We picked a D-list comedian at random and sent him to a convention this weekend. Let's see what happened! After that, we'll be looking at items sold on Ebay without an actual punchline to the piece!")
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I am not a fan of "The Late Show", Dave's monologues are only four minutes long (Jay's is ten minutes long), none of what Dave does between the monologue and top-ten list is funny (except for funny edits of Bush). The only two things I look forward to on the Late Show are the top-ten lists and Alan Kalter getting beaten to a bloody pulp by either a person or the "Late Show Bear".
Would someone PLEASE beat Dave to a bloody pulp!? Preferably by the guy outside the Ed Sullivan theater always giving Dave the finger. :)
P.S. About Jay's "Stuff we found on EBAY", the final price and whether or not it was sold or not IS the punchline!
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 05:22 PM\']P.S. About Jay's "Stuff we found on EBAY", the final price and whether or not it was sold or not IS the punchline!
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Shame it still isn't all that funny.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 07:22 PM\']Would someone PLEASE beat Dave to a bloody pulp!?
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Start the clock now, please, while I tell Bill Rogers he may be introducing a new guest soon.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 17 2005, 07:22 PM\']Would someone PLEASE beat Dave to a bloody pulp!?
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Would someone PLEASE beat musicman to a bloody pulp!?
Note: I'm kidding. But seriously, while neither Dave nor Jay is at the top of his game, Jay was never that funny (or inspired) to begin with.
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Quick reminder: Humor mileage may vary. And Jay/Dave have to churn out five hours a week. Try that sometime.
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I find that Jay is a running cliché, although he can be very funny at times...but I prefer Letterman because he could do something new and different tonight. They were both better 5 years ago.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 07:33 AM\']I find that Jay is a running cliché, although he can be very funny at times...but I prefer Letterman because he could do something new and different tonight. They were both better 5 years ago.
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At least I'm enjoying segments, like:
"Know Your Current Events", "Ape or Artist", "May We Shave You for Spring" (One of the numbers of audience participation games at Rupert Jee's Hello Deli), and anything Alan Kalter does.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 08:41 AM\']At least I'm enjoying segments, like:
"Know Your Current Events", "Ape or Artist", "May We Shave You for Spring" (One of the numbers of audience participation games at Rupert Jee's Hello Deli), and anything Alan Kalter does.
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I especially find it hillarious when Alan announces the prizes for the game, with the picture of that prize appearing on screen for a half-second before handing it to Dave. Makes me laugh each time.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 07:33 AM\']I find that Jay is a running cliché, although he can be very funny at times...but I prefer Letterman because he could do something new and different tonight. They were both better 5 years ago.
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Jay was better 15 years ago, when he was sitting next to Letterman's desk and sharp as a tack as a guest. What happened after he got Johnny's job is just too complicated and sad to go into--even if it's made him richer than rajahs.
ObGameShow: Leno did "Squares," didn't he?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 02:29 PM\']ObGameShow: Leno did "Squares," didn't he?
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Yes, but he had to sit in the lower left corner, so they could break out the Solid Gold Dancers / Justin Wilson square extender for his chin. :)
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I have a lot of first-run 'Late Night' on tape but one show I do not have was when Dick Clark was on around 1986.
I think Dick boasted about how they gave away $100,000.00 a couple of times over the past season on 'Pyramid.' More importantly Dave & Dick talked about how Dave would come to New York to do the '20,000 Pyramid.' Dick called Dave a good player. Dave disagreed & would hear nothing of it.
I do have a 1990 bit on 'Late Night' were Dick C. was in the audience thinking he was at 'American Bandstand.'
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Would someone please help that person!?
I watch Leno because I laugh. If I want to bore myself to death, I'll watch Letterman.
Those three segments were EXACTLY what I meant when I said,
"Anything Dave does between the monologue and the top-ten list is NOT funny!"
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Cool it, man. Not everyone's going to have the same opinion as you.
As for me? Never really cared much for any of the late-night guys myself--even the once-hilarious Conan O'Brien's been slipping lately--but it is interesting to play "what if" with regard to Letterman's career: if, say, his big break had happened on a hit game show he got the chance to host instead?
--Sam
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 09:50 PM\']Those three segments were EXACTLY what I meant when I said,
"Anything Dave does between the monologue and the top-ten list is NOT funny!"
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Let me ask you something: are you a glutton for punishment?
Dave does not suck. Period. Less funny than he was a while ago, but suck? No way.
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Why am I reminded of the popular adage about arguing on the Internet and competing in the Special Olympics?
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 07:51 PM\']I have a lot of first-run 'Late Night' on tape but one show I do not have was when Dick Clark was on around 1986.
I think Dick boasted about how they gave away $100,000.00 a couple of times over the past season on 'Pyramid.' More importantly Dave & Dick talked about how Dave would come to New York to do the '20,000 Pyramid.' Dick called Dave a good player. Dave disagreed & would hear nothing of it.
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ObLetterman: "Is this Anything?"
Anyways,
I generally don't stay up late often. If it's not a rerun, I'll watch Letterman. I like his little segments about the most random things in the world. The prize descriptions by Alan also give me a smile.
Leno ain't funny. Probably the only time I ever watched him was when my looney 8th grade history teacher brought in videos of the Chip & Kim(?) segments. She probably only brought them in because they had something that remotely resembled geography. In case you don't know what I'm talking about, it was about some couple with the intelligence of some WoF contestants traveling the country. Definitely dumber than the good things Letterman does.
--NJ137
"I left my ARM in San Francisco?"
(Note: I will be happy about going to the TTD '90 considering I've never seen that show! ;))
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 10:11 PM\']Why am I reminded of the popular adage about arguing on the Internet and competing in the Special Olympics?
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Okay, Chris, you piqued my curiosity (although I have the feeling the word "retarded" is somewhere in there). Since I've never heard said adage, what is it?
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I've been a longtime fan of Leno's "Headlines" segment (which predates back to his guest host days), as well as the eBay segments and "Pitch To America", just to see how smart people are.
ObGameShow: One long retired Leno segment was "The $25 Trapezoid", complete with 70s era jacket and Trapezoid logo....(read Pyramid)
ObGameShow2: The theme for "Where In The World Is Kipp And Kim?" is a parody of.......oh well,, you know the answer, right?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 09:39 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 10:11 PM\']Why am I reminded of the popular adage about arguing on the Internet and competing in the Special Olympics?
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Everyone wins?
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 08:50 PM\']Would someone please help that person!?
I watch Leno because I laugh. If I want to bore myself to death, I'll watch Letterman.
Those three segments were EXACTLY what I meant when I said,
"Anything Dave does between the monologue and the top-ten list is NOT funny!"
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To you. Did you ever think that someone could have a different opinion did you, and that your opinion isn't the know all to end all? Get over yourself.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 09:39 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 10:11 PM\']Why am I reminded of the popular adage about arguing on the Internet and competing in the Special Olympics?
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"The Internet is like the Special Olympics. No matter who wins, you're still retarded."
This thread is reminding me of another phrase: "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and everyone thinks the others stink."
ObGameShow: This board is full of nothing but eggheads and assholes.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 08:50 PM\']Would someone please help that person!?
I watch Leno because I laugh. If I want to bore myself to death, I'll watch Letterman.
Those three segments were EXACTLY what I meant when I said,
"Anything Dave does between the monologue and the top-ten list is NOT funny!"
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Well, that proves it. Into the ignore list you go.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Aug 18 2005, 11:18 PM\']ObGameShow: This board is full of nothing but eggheads and assholes.
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And I take pride in knowing that I am BOTH of the above! NERR!!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 12:18 AM\']ObGameShow: This board is full of nothing but eggheads and assholes.
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It is worth noting that the person who coined that phrase has never revealed which group claims him as a member. :-)
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ObGameShow: Leno did "Squares," didn't he?
Yes, and "Tattletales" - late in the '70s run of the show.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 06:25 AM\']Well, that proves it. Into the ignore list you go.
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I dunno, man. Slappin' a guy in your killfile for having an opinion, however horribly misguided? :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 03:16 PM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 06:25 AM\']Well, that proves it. Into the ignore list you go.
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I dunno, man. Slappin' a guy in your killfile for having an opinion, however horribly misguided? :)
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How about another game show connection and Letterman
Last night's (8/17/05) episode was a repeat and he celebrated (or lack of a better term the 25th anniversary of his failed NBC morning show. At the end he mentioned the two shows that replaced his show was Las Vegas Gambit and Blockbusters.
He mentioned that the Idea of Blockbusters was to answer questions to win movie rentals (in his own style).
That is today game show connection.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 10:16 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 12:18 AM\']ObGameShow: This board is full of nothing but eggheads and assholes.
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Signed,
An egghead
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Aug 19 2005, 07:59 PM\']New corollary: If you don't claim to be one or the other, you're the latter.[/quote]
Oh, I LIKE that!
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But then, some out there think eggheads are assholes, so how can you win that one?
Cordially,
Eggland's Best Dome
P.S. - Letterman rules!