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What game show flop do you actully like?
Ex. Mindreaders, Tic Tac Dough '90, The Joker's Wild '90
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Mindreaders. Greatest show ever.
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Three's a Crowd was actually kind of engaging. Liked the theme song too.
I could prolly sit thru TJW90 again...I used to watch it everyday on USA and it was all right, even though I of course prefer the earlier versions.
Judging by the clip I saw on Klauss' site, Camouflage seemed unintentionally funny. Had me cracking up, esp. the faux dramatic music.
Quicksilver wasn't the WORST game show ever, but a little too tedious for a half-hour show.
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I really loved Friend or Foe and still do.
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Well, I guess someone has to cast a vote for HIT MAN.
Anybody want to volunteer? :)
Doug
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Somebody has got to throw something seriously obscure in here, so...
"Let's Play Post Office," a 60s NBC game. Don Morrow read letters that gave a clue to somebody or something. (For example, a letter with the line "It's cold up here. It's below zero. I mostel you this." led to "Fiddler on the Roof.")
You can see how this would get old quickly, but it had a great set, complete with mailboxes.
(EDIT) Can I change my vote, Garry? See later post.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 03:03 PM\']Does anybody have a clear copy of the theme from "60 Minutes?" Not the current one, the original with the different stopwatch.
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OT, but another classic sig. kudos!
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I actually quite enjoy "The Joker's Wild" 1990. Another "flop" I like is "Hot Potato" (I call it a flop because it was only on for a half a year), and I like "Monopoly " & "Small Talk."
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If Wipeout was half as fun as the computer game, it's too bad it lasted only a season.
-Greg
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Three's a Crowd was actually kind of engaging. Liked the theme song too.
"Three's a Crowd" was OK. By the way, does anybody have a copy of that theme song?
Anybody?
(Ouch...watch where you're throwing....)
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I would have to say The Joker's Wild 90 was a good game. Now, I may get killed for this, but I can honestly say Tic Tac Dough 90 was at least tolerable to watch. *ducks*
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Well if those infamous Faux Pause Picks bumpers should be taken as credible sources, I'm sure Bullseye would count amongst my choices ;-) (And yes after 7 years I still have not forgotten that!)
I actually did/do think the Rapping Dragon was unintentionally funny. And TTD90 wasn't THAT big of an abuse...the look and sounds of it were inferior to the Wink era, of course, but it was basically the same game.
All About Faces...I've seen one full episode but it's endearingly cheesy enough for me to want to see more.
BTB'85...I know we hate it for, among other reasons, what K&F did to Gene. But I recently got two episodes and it didn't manage to completely break my will to live or anything.
MG/HS Hour...seems we as a whole are divided on this one. You either love or hate it. I did the former.
Hit Man...another show with no gray area. Either it was boring or an unappreciated classic. I can't help but be partial to it having grown up with it. The set and the music were great too.
Video Power...well back in the day I loved it. What 12-year-old wouldn't be attracted to a game show where you could get tons of free video games?
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Would Break The Bank (model year 1976) be considered a flop? True, it lasted a mere three and a half months, but according to material presented in this forum, it was near the top of all daytime ratings during its run.
By the way, Jimmy, please use "Break The Bank" next in your last sig rotation. Thanks.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 05:21 PM\']Would Break The Bank (model year 1976) be considered a flop? True, it lasted a mere three and a half months, but according to material presented in this forum, it was near the top of all daytime ratings during its run.
By the way, Jimmy, please use "Break The Bank" next in your last sig rotation. Thanks.
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If it's cancelled after 16 weeks, it's still a flop. A qualified flop, but a flop nonetheless. And the lackluster performance of the syndicated weekly version didn't help matters any.
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"Bad" being a subjective term in either your mind; or in the minds of the majority of a group.
If I like a show that is "bad", I think that its "good".
What "bad" shows do I like? Shop 'Til You Drop [Finn]
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Bad is in the eye of the beholder, I guess, but I always liked Go. A great concept that got a bum rap. Although you'd have to wonder to yourself what kind of show would give away $10,000 for knowing "what goes around a loaf of pie".
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3's a Crowd is a guilty pleasure. Pass the Buck was fun, and I may be one of the few, in fact I know I am...but I kinda liked The Diamond Head Game .
--Jamie
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I remember being addicted to Pitfall as a kid.
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I actually dug The Joker's Wild '90 and actually like the game of Monopoly, not the host.
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[quote name=\'GPeefalt\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 06:28 PM\']I remember being addicted to Pitfall as a kid.
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I'll second that. Coolest bonus round and set of 1981. Even if Trebek didn't get paid.
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I'll second that. Coolest bonus round and set of 1981. Even if Trebek didn't get paid.
Yeah, def...and having gotten WLIG (now WLNY, TV-55) here on LI since its mid-1985 sign-on, I was able to catch the reruns they aired in 85-86, back-to-back w/Cullen's Pyramid for most of its run.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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The Money Maze was always a huge favorite during the original run. I liked The Big Showdown too, and have become more of a fan since its passing (gulp) 30 years ago.
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I like TJW90 and TTD90, although they are inferior to their predecessors. Although, the category format of TJW90 mixed with the questions format of classic TJW could work in a future revival...
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I'll second Pass the Buck. Also, I remember really enjoying Talk About way back when. I guess since I enjoy the game Outburst so much that enjoying those shows makes sense.
Has Outburst been considered for adaptation for a game show? It seems like it could work.
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Despite the ungrammatical thread title, I'm compelled to respond (heck, there's a reason I chose "Esoteric" (I mean, besides the fact that I was born the same month as "Weird" Al Yankovic))
Allow me to be the first to drag out the EOTVG$ (2nd Edition)... here goes, shows I liked that lasted a year or less in at least one version...
All-American Ultra Quiz (two-episode one-time special), All-Star Blitz, All-Star Secrets, Almost Anything Goes (primetime summer replacement w/ sportscaster Charlie Jones and some guy named Regis), The Better Sex, The Big Showdown, Blackout, Blank Check, Blankety Blanks, Break the Bank (Rayburn / Farago), Caesars Challenge, Chain Reaction (original Cullen series), The Challengers, Child's Play, Couch Potatoes, The Diamond Head Game, Don Adams' Screen Test, Double Dare (Trebek), Double Exposure (although I wasn't even two years old when it aired in '61, I recognized the set when I saw the picture in the encyclopedia), Double Talk, Everybody's Talking, Funny You Should Ask, The Game Game, Go!, The Guinness Game, Hit Man, Hollywood's Talking, Hot (sssssss!!!)Potato, Hot Seat, It's Anybody's Guess, Joe Garagiola's Memory Game, Knockout, The Krypton Factor (primetime summer replacement), Love Me Love Me Not, The Magnificent Marble Machine, The Match Game - Hollywood Squares Hour, Mindreaders, The Moneymaze,and Monopoly (primetime summer replacement)... and that's just A - M!
Esoteric Eric, to be continued (hey, may finally get to 100 posts tonight!)
P.S. Saw AMC's The Movie Masters only once, but it was fun to see Mr. Rayburn, Ms. Cass, and Mrs. Carlisle Hart back in the game
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OK, I've cracked open a Mike's Hard Cranberry Lemonade, and Keith Olbermann's about to say those three little words ("Let's play Oddball!") Hold on to your cookies, The Esoteric List continues:
Name Droppers (which, of all the So. Cal.-based games, seemed to be the only one with contestants from Saugus, namesake of my Massachusetts hometown), Now You See It (Henry), Pitfall, Play the Percentages, Quicksilver, Rhyme and Reason, Rodeo Drive, Runaround, Scattergories, Second Chance, Shoot For The Stars, Showdown (1966, replaced by original Squares), Showoffs, Spin-Off, Split Second (Hall), Sports on Tap, Storybook Squares, Strike It Rich (Garagiola), Stumpers, 10 Seconds, Think Twice, Top Card, Treasure Isle (just over a year, sue me ((8=D)) ), Triple Threat (Lange; didn't have BET for the second version), Trivia Trap, Trivial Pursuit(interactive and studio), Winning Streak, Wipeout, The Wizard of Odds, Wordplay, You Don't Say! (1975 Kennedy version), and Your Number's Up.
Esoteric Eric; <whew> (No, Whew! lasted thirteen months.)
Still one to go for a hundred posts.
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Hands on pitchforks, folks...
For some reason, Distraction tickles my fancy. (dodges tomato)
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I have to say "Trivia Trap," only the original rules, despite that you had to pick the wrong answers. Love the $1000 Race, love the music, love the sweaters.
I loved "Monopoly," too. I'd kill to see the pilot.
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[quote name=\'Esoteric Eric\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 01:05 AM\']OK, I've cracked open a Mike's Hard Cranberry Lemonade, and Keith Olbermann's about to say those three little words ("Let's play Oddball!") Hold on to your cookies, The Esoteric List continues:
Name Droppers (which, of all the So. Cal.-based games, seemed to be the only one with contestants from Saugus, namesake of my Massachusetts hometown), Now You See It (Henry), Pitfall, Play the Percentages, Quicksilver, Rhyme and Reason, Rodeo Drive, Runaround, Scattergories, Second Chance, Shoot For The Stars, Showdown (1966, replaced by original Squares), Showoffs, Spin-Off, Split Second (Hall), Sports on Tap, Storybook Squares, Strike It Rich (Garagiola), Stumpers, 10 Seconds, Think Twice, Top Card, Treasure Isle (just over a year, sue me ((8=D)) ), Triple Threat (Lange; didn't have BET for the second version), Trivia Trap, Trivial Pursuit(interactive and studio), Winning Streak, Wipeout, The Wizard of Odds, Wordplay, You Don't Say! (1975 Kennedy version), and Your Number's Up.
Esoteric Eric; <whew> (No, Whew! lasted thirteen months.)
Still one to go for a hundred posts.
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I can't believe you didn't like "Temptation." Art James dressed up like a riverboat gambler roolz.
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[quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 09:23 PM\']Has Outburst been considered for adaptation for a game show? It seems like it could work.
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Yes. It was called "Talk About."
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OK, another one I should have put in...
"Everybody's Talking." I even had the home game. Didn't last too long, but I was a big Lloyd Thaxton fan at age 10.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 01:05 AM\']I can't believe you didn't like "Temptation." Art James dressed up like a riverboat gambler roolz.
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[/quote]Thing is, Jimmy, I have no recollection of seeing Temptation; I would have only been able to see it during school vacations or sick time for its run (12/04/1967 - 03/01/1968. per the Encyclopedia), and I am unsure what time of day it aired. At the time, I was eight years old, a third grader living in Massachusetts, and the ABC affiliates available were the old WNAC in Boston (Ch. 7) and WMUR in Manchester, NH (Ch. 9).[quote name=\'Esoteric Eric\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 01:05 AM\']Esoteric Eric; <whew> (No, Whew! lasted thirteen months.)
Still one to go for a hundred posts.
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[/quote]Not anymore; that's number 100. <Actor / comedian friend of mine, sarcasatically> "Release the f****in' doves." </acfoms>
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 05:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 05:21 PM\']Would Break The Bank (model year 1976) be considered a flop? True, it lasted a mere three and a half months, but according to material presented in this forum, it was near the top of all daytime ratings during its run.
By the way, Jimmy, please use "Break The Bank" next in your last sig rotation. Thanks.
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If it's cancelled after 16 weeks, it's still a flop. A qualified flop, but a flop nonetheless. And the lackluster performance of the syndicated weekly version didn't help matters any.
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I guess GSN certainly considered it a flop because of the very little air time they've ever given it.
It's strange that the syndie version didn't do better. If the ratings for the network version were that strong, you'd figure some of that would spill over to the syndie version. From what I know, it was carried in most of the major markets - maybe it just wasn't promoted very well(?) Or maybe it was just the whole pacing of the show. After watching a couple of sydie eps recently, the whole show seems kind of rushed - much more so than the daytime version. Having that bonus game really took away a lot of time where they could have played more game.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 06:45 AM\'][quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 09:23 PM\']Has Outburst been considered for adaptation for a game show? It seems like it could work.
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Yes. It was called "Talk About."
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I meant more of an "official" adaptation, such as Scattegories or Scrabble. But judging by your answer, I'll just presume the answer is "No"
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Flame if you must:
- Blackout
- Born Lucky
- The Challengers
- Couch Potatoes
- Free 4 All
- Hit Man
- TJW90
- Monopoly
- Quicksilver
- Small Talk
- Split Second, the 80s version
- TTD90
- Trivia Trap
- Wipeout
Granted, only TTD90 and TJW90 seem to qualify as bad game shows--I liked the concepts of the others; they just weren't executed well.
Also, the wave of kids' games shows in the late 80s and early 90s looked kewl because was a teenager back then. But now that I'm a week-plus away from 30, I look back at shows like I'm Telling!, Slime Time and Treasure Mall and ask, "what were they thinking?"
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 07:13 AM\']OK, another one I should have put in...
"Everybody's Talking." I even had the home game. Didn't last too long, but I was a big Lloyd Thaxton fan at age 10.
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Agreed, Dr. Bear (and I had the "ET" home game, too!)...as well as with your pick of "Let's Play Post Office."
OK, and my guilty pleasure: "Make a Face." Hey, when you're 7 years old, those spinning faces are pretty darn cool...
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Add my vote for "Trivia Trap." Bob Eubanks acted more genuine here than on any other show he did, and I didn't mind the rules changes. Sure, they took away from the basic premise, but they added variety and fit more questions into half an hour. Liked the set, too.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and "The Moneymaze" was awesome.
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When I watched it a few times, I actually liked Monopoly. My favorite, which was sort of a semi-flop (only lasted 9 months) was Greed.
I also liked Scattegories, but the premiere week format for the bonus, not the 3-out-of-5.
I know I'm probably gonna get shot for this one, but would you consider Throut and Neck (the GSN animated interactive show) a flop? I liked that one too.
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[quote name=\'Esoteric Eric\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 08:56 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Mar 10 2005, 01:05 AM\']I can't believe you didn't like "Temptation." Art James dressed up like a riverboat gambler roolz.
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Ahhh, that explains it. I was seven when it aired, but I had the good fortune to be able to see it every day. ABC fed it in the morning, but here in Flint-Sag-Bay City, MI, the primary ABC station passed on it and the CBS affiliate carried it at 4:30pm on kinescope, which really added to the "game show noir" aspect of the show.
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I will probably be the only one who says this... but I actually enjoyed MG'98.
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"Everybody's Talking." I even had the home game. Didn't last too long, but I was a big Lloyd Thaxton fan at age 10.
And I loved the theme song, though some might say a mellow vocal tune by Harry Nilson isn't exactly well-suited to a game sh...oh, never mind. :-D
Incidentally, the show's REAL theme song was later re-used in early eps of He Said, She Said.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 02:44 PM\']I really loved Friend or Foe and still do.
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Not to get off topic, but the "Friend or Foe" format in it's original form was almost a $1,000,000 show on CBS.
The show was to have been called Shafted, named after the UK version/format. Six contestants (or whatever number the production team picked) were to have played a question and answer game with money being added to a group pot and someone being eliminated after the end of each round until there were just two people. At the end, you chose either to Shaft your opponent (same as voting foe) or Share with your opponent (i.e. vote friend). The same outcomes were used on FoF for friend/friend; friend/foe; foe/foe voting.
CBS went as far as to have the UK version's web-game link on their site for a good two months before the idea was scrapped in late 1999.
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I liked TTD '90 and TJW '90.
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The show was to have been called Shafted, named after the UK version/format.
A version also aired in Australia in early 02...it will prolly live in infamy down under as the show that took $otC down (it premiered on Nine as a temporary replacement for the latter, but bombed so badly, it was quickly cancelled and replaced by reruns of Frasier...those did so well that the plans for $otC's return were scrapped indefinitely, and no definite word on its return has yet to surface 3 yrs later).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'wtstudios8383\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 04:39 PM\']I would have to say The Joker's Wild 90 was a good game. Now, I may get killed for this, but I can honestly say Tic Tac Dough 90 was at least tolerable to watch. *ducks*
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I agree on both counts...I really liked TJW 90. I still don't 'get' why everyone things Pat Finn was such a bad host. This version also added a Jeopardy-esque element in that the questions were much more challenging. The definitions thing was a little weird and didn't seem to fit, but other than that this was a good update. That Joker on the board with the bizarre flashing eyes STILL creeps me out when I think about it! *shiver* :)
TTD 90 would have been just fine had Patrick Wayne lost his key to get into the studio. The set was weird and funky, but cool...the music sounded like it should be on 'Barney and Friends', but it actually grew on me. I wouldn't mind hearing it again.
ITSBRY
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I truly enjoyed Povich's Twenty-One. My one problem was it's ridiculous money ladder. Would work better as a small money game show. I never had a real problem with TTD '90. The host was lousy, but the game itself seemed to work. Only bad thing was resetting the pot at zero after a tie game. Trivia Trap was a pretty cool show, but those sweaters were corny. The pilot they were all in ties and stuff. TJW '90 though, that was lousy. The set and slot machine was cool, but as for it's execution, I was in favor of that.
David
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To me, the 2000 version of Twenty-One was OK but there were definitely some holes in it. The money scale was way overblown early on before it was cut, the timeslots were not what NBC had hoped, & Polvich really wasn't all that great a host. Yet, I kinda liked it. If only they kept the lowered money ammounts, the "good" timeslot & more emphasis on the game itself, I'd think it just might stuck around a bit longer than it did.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Mar 12 2005, 04:58 AM\']... the timeslots were not what NBC had hoped ...
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If the timeslots were not what NBC had hoped for, why did NBC put it in them then?
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[quote name=\'isucgv\' date=\'Mar 12 2005, 08:55 PM\'][quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Mar 12 2005, 04:58 AM\']... the timeslots were not what NBC had hoped ...
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If the timeslots were not what NBC had hoped for, why did NBC put it in them then?
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Just ignore his posts. He has no idea what he is talking about.
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I liked Clash, Smush, and Cram quite a bit. No idea why all of these bad-GS favorites had monosyllabic names.
Seconding Marble Machine-- not a good show, but certainly a memorable one.
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[quote name=\'ThatTree\' date=\'Mar 13 2005, 03:56 PM\']I liked Clash, Smush, and Cram quite a bit. No idea why all of these bad-GS favorites had monosyllabic names.
Seconding Marble Machine-- not a good show, but certainly a memorable one.
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Smush was a great concept (as you would expect from Jellyvision), but the whole let's-have-a-game-show-at-a-party! gimmick fell flat with me. Give me podiums and lights and scoreboards. Even Sports On Tap came close enough there.
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I liked TJW '90. It was the first, and only Jokers Wild that I have ever seen. (except for 1 episode in the Feast of Favorites of 2003) Then again I was a lot younger and perhaps more easily amused than I would be right now.
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What about "The Chair" and "The Chamber", two early 2002 shows that prove that distracting contestants ala Fear Factor to win money can really be, uh...shocking?
Other "so bad but good" shows were...
Click (a Merv Griffin-produced show with Ryan Seacrest pre-American Idol)
Winning Lines (I feel bad for that one female contestant almost winning the million)
Peer Pressure (which I thought was cheaply produced)
It's Your Chance of a Lifetime (how many here thought Jim Lange would host that version?)
Big Deal (LMAD with a Fox attitude)
Dog Eat Dog (it was good for only one reason: Brooke Burns)
Stump the Schwab
ESPN Trivial Pursuit
And of course...the aforementioned Joker's Wild '90 and Tic Tac Dough '90 (the latter if it wasn't for Patrick Wayne)
Jonathan Allen
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[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' date=\'Mar 14 2005, 02:00 AM\']Other "so bad but good" shows were...
Dog Eat Dog (it was good for only one reason: Brooke Burns)
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(sorry, SOMEBODY had to do that joke!)
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Winning Lines (I feel bad for that one female contestant almost winning the million)
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[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' date=\'Mar 14 2005, 01:00 AM\']What about "The Chair" and "The Chamber", two early 2002 shows that prove that distracting contestants ala Fear Factor to win money can really be, uh...shocking?
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"The Chair" wasn't awful. "The Chamber" was drop-your-jaw crap.
It's Your Chance of a Lifetime (how many here thought Jim Lange would host that version?)
No, I cannot say that I did.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 13 2005, 08:23 PM\']Smush was a great concept (as you would expect from Jellyvision), but the whole let's-have-a-game-show-at-a-party! gimmick fell flat with me. Give me podiums and lights and scoreboards. Even Sports On Tap came close enough there.
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I agree. Smush had a terrific idea, but they needed to make it into a better game. Even without Ken Ober and the "party guests" I think it would have been too basic. Boy, that score lady was a looker, though.
I'd love to see Shafted. Friend or Foe took a good concept, but the question round was too dull. Maybe if they asked the questions from Smush.
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Hmm, I quite like Friend or Foe. It's a bit disinginuous to suggest that it came from Shafted, it's merely a show that utilized a basic tenet of game theory. Before Shafted, there was a UK show called Trust Me that played with the same prisoner's dilemma concept.
Descriptions at UKGameshows.com (http://\"http://www.ukgameshows.com\"), but you knew that anyway.
As a Brit, I thought your GSN originals are pretty neat although a know quite a few of them get a lot of stick around here (especially Cram, which is completely undeserved). And having been able to compare old and newer versions of Wheel, I know which ones I prefer watching (and I'm willing to bet they're not the same ones you all prefer).
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[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' date=\'Mar 14 2005, 06:49 PM\']Hmm, I quite like Friend or Foe. It's a bit disinginuous to suggest that it came from Shafted, it's merely a show that utilized a basic tenet of game theory. Before Shafted, there was a UK show called Trust Me that played with the same prisoner's dilemma concept.
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Trust Me interests me a great deal. It's the purest form of the Prisoner's Dilemna, and I like that it's one quiz show that doesn't have trivia, just armchair psychology. I thought it could be a cool prime time game. So how was it? It didn't fare well, I take it. What was the problem?
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Oh no, people who watched it tended to like it. But I think it was designed as an experimental show, to go out late at night on a minority channel, so they weren't expecting many viewers (and probably weren't expecting to get a second series either).
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[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' date=\'Mar 14 2005, 07:20 PM\']Oh no, people who watched it tended to like it. But I think it was designed as an experimental show, to go out late at night on a minority channel, so they weren't expecting many viewers (and probably weren't expecting to get a second series either).
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"Trust me" was what Friend or Foe should of been. A great psychological dilemma without Kennedy's snarkiness.
Of course, a good quiz helps too, and you won't find that on "Trust Me". That of course, has not much to do with FoF either.
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TNPiR '94. A nice update on one of my all time favorite game shows. 'Nuff said.
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"Trust me" was what Friend or Foe should of been. A great psychological dilemma without Kennedy's snarkiness.
Of course, a good quiz helps too, and you won't find that on "Trust Me". That of course, has not much to do with FoF either.
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I would suggest that they were two shows going out for two different audiences, but I'm not entirely sure it would be true. It's definitely two entertaining takes on the same core idea, one based loosely around comedy, the other taking it more seriously.