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ABC 7 in L.A. 'breaks' the news that Ken and past champions will compete in a 15 week 'ultimate' tourney to find the absolute best Jeopardy! player ever. Top prize - $2 million. The games will start in February and conclude in May.
Wow, sweep to sweep. What a concept!
Josh
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Well the staff would be complete idiots not to find a way to bring him back.
I like this idea better than having Ken face people who gave him the most competition.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 07:47 PM\']I like this idea better than having Ken face people who gave him the most competition.
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I'm sure at least one person here doesn't. ;-)
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[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 07:44 PM\']ABC 7 in L.A. 'breaks' the news that Ken and past champions will compete in a 15 week 'ultimate' tourney to find the absolute best Jeopardy! player ever. Top prize - $2 million. The games will start in February and conclude in May.
Wow, sweep to sweep. What a concept!
Josh
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Any word on how the format will work.
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[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 08:44 PM\']ABC 7 in L.A. 'breaks' the news that Ken and past champions will compete in a 15 week 'ultimate' tourney to find the absolute best Jeopardy! player ever. Top prize - $2 million. The games will start in February and conclude in May.
Wow, sweep to sweep. What a concept!
Josh
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Linkage?
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[quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 08:07 PM\']Linkage?
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The addy for KABC Channel 7 in L.A. is abc7.com (http://\"http://www.abc7.com\"). However, I did a search for "ultimate jeopardy" on that site and the first headline to come out is "Saddam Hussein deserves 'Ultimate Penalty'".
(BTW, Andy, I thought One-Word-Post day wasn't until January 8--the anniversary of P+'s debut. :-D)
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No link yet... it was broadcast on their 4PM news. I checked the website to post a link and I didn't see any. Alex mentioned that 150 past players will be funneled down to Ken and 2 other players. Last place $$$ is $250,000, 2nd place gets $500,000.
I'm sure the story will show up somewhere on their website...
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[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 06:24 PM\']No link yet... it was broadcast on their 4PM news. I checked the website to post a link and I didn't see any. Alex mentioned that 150 past players will be funneled down to Ken and 2 other players. Last place $$$ is $250,000, 2nd place gets $500,000.
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I wish I was given a guaranteed berth in a tournament final where I could walk away with no less than a quarter mil.
I'm glad I'm not one of the other 150.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 08:54 PM\'][quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 06:24 PM\']No link yet... it was broadcast on their 4PM news. I checked the website to post a link and I didn't see any. Alex mentioned that 150 past players will be funneled down to Ken and 2 other players. Last place $$$ is $250,000, 2nd place gets $500,000.
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I wish I was given a guaranteed berth in a tournament final where I could walk away with no less than a quarter mil.
I'm glad I'm not one of the other 150.
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WHo would one pick for the two players most likely to challenge Ken in that final game?
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 09:58 PM\'][quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 08:54 PM\'][quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 06:24 PM\']No link yet... it was broadcast on their 4PM news. I checked the website to post a link and I didn't see any. Alex mentioned that 150 past players will be funneled down to Ken and 2 other players. Last place $$$ is $250,000, 2nd place gets $500,000.
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I wish I was given a guaranteed berth in a tournament final where I could walk away with no less than a quarter mil.
I'm glad I'm not one of the other 150.
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WHo would one pick for the two players most likely to challenge Ken in that final game?
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I'd wait to see the full field myself before picking, personally...
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Since I was sworn to secrecy, I'll give it in a math problem. Ken needs two opponents. Those two opponents won their games against four other opponents. Those other four opponents also won a game at some point. Using this information, how many players will be needed to fill 75 shows?
--Mike
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Hmmm. Three full months where the contestants are playing for points--not for dollars. This would then be going longer than 1986's All-American Scrabble Tournament.
I thought the Jeopardy! web site might have something on this. Stosh's Place has nothing, either, but maybe he's waiting for confirmation from cbs.com
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Why do I get this gut feeling I smell a major dud story here? I've searched high and low on the net to no avail. And 15 weeks? That sounds vaguely familiar to an idea posted on here...
But soon, I bet someone high up in the realm will pick up on this as true news... I'm just waiting for it...
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 11:00 PM\']I thought the Jeopardy! web site might have something on this. Stosh's Place has nothing, either, but maybe he's waiting for confirmation from cbs.com[/quote]
This is yet another one of those times when our own members are ahead of the curve on a breaking story. I too have been sworn to secrecy (strangely, by two different sources...), but I'm sure all the details will come out soon enough. I see huge plusses and huge potential minuses for the stunt, and there will be plenty of opportunity for us to discuss them all between now and...whenever.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 09:30 PM\']Since I was sworn to secrecy, I'll give it in a math problem. Ken needs two opponents. Those two opponents won their games against four other opponents. Those other four opponents also won a game at some point. Using this information, how many players will be needed to fill 75 shows?[/quote]
Not enough information. With an extremely high number of wild card slots in the early rounds, I get a possible field as low as 57. There may be a lower possible number--I just added brackets in reverse, each bracket letting all but three players advance until the quarter-finals, and then tacked on players to get to a round 75 shows at the end/beginning.
Changing the number of wild cards gives lots and lots of different possible answers.
No wild cards means either that some games will have a number of players other than 3, or that some game winners will not advance to the next round(s), AFAICT.
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Color me skeptical but it seems way too soon to be retapping into The Ken Jennings Well. And for a tournament that is to last in excess of three months? Sorry. The ol' spider sense is tingling on this one. I'll be happy to be mistaken. We shall see what we shall see when we see it.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 28 2004, 11:03 PM\']Color me skeptical but it seems way too soon to be retapping into The Ken Jennings Well. And for a tournament that is to last in excess of three months? Sorry. The ol' spider sense is tingling on this one. I'll be happy to be mistaken. We shall see what we shall see when we see it.[/quote]
I think the producers are just afraid that people will forget who Ken is if they wait too long. I would sincerely hope that this means Ken will not be participating in a traditional ToC, though. (No offense to him, of course.)
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Here's all I can think of:
48 sixteenths = 144 players
16 eights = 48 winners
6 quarters = 18 players (16 winners + Spangenberg + Forrest)
2 semis = 6 winners
3 game final
= 75 shows
Or:
3 game Final: 2 players + Ken
2 semis: 6 players
6 quarters: 18 players (9 winners + 9 new)
9 eights: 27 players (15 winners + 12 new)
15 16ths: 45 players (40 winners + 5 new)
40 32nds: 120 players
= 75 shows
(By "new", I mean players that got "byes" to that specific round)
I also figure the field is 146 challengers (hence the "almost 150" in the news report)...
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For those of you who wonder if Steve jumped on it already, here you go. (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net\")
The Inquisitive One
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[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:44 AM\']For those of you who wonder if Steve jumped on it already, here you go. (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net\")
The Inquisitive One
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Yeah, like this means anything at all... We'll see what happens with this. At this point, I'd be willing to bet it disappears by tomorrow without any reason.
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[quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:58 AM\']Yeah, like this means anything at all... We'll see what happens with this. At this point, I'd be willing to bet it disappears by tomorrow without any reason.
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Wow.
This made me chuckle, and I don't know why; except maybe the fact he's only been registered a month...and already figured out Steve is usually full of....generic brand beef stew.
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This is legitimate; Beverly is pulling verbatim from a press release that went out to media fairly late today. I'm sitting here looking at it.
An excerpt: "Invited to compete in the tournament will be all previous winners of Jeopardy!'s annual Tournament of Champions, College Championship and Teen Tournament, and over 100 of the top-scoring, undefeated, five-time champions in the show's 21-year history. Nearly 150 players will compete in a series of games which will narrow the field to two players, who will compete against Jennings in the finals, to air in May 2005."
Wish I was doing a story on this instead of the local stuff.
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Wish I was doing a story on this instead of the local stuff.
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Yes, I may be only registered here for a month, but I've been with GR over a year now.. I know the ropes! :-)
Now as for the above quote.. I've been searching the AP and the major media outlets all night, and IF, and I use that term LOOSELY, it did break at 4pm on the west, it would have hit AP by now, and would have at least made Top Entertainment News, if not Top Stories. Nothing. Not a thing at all. And I can't even find anything other than here and on Steve's site. So there is no outside verification on this story at all.
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I have a great idea for a title of this tournament...
[font=\"Impact\"]WIN KEN JENNINGS' MONEY![/font]
I think it'll sell. :)
Andrew M. Greenstein
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[quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 01:55 AM\']
Yes, I may be only registered here for a month, but I've been with GR over a year now.. I know the ropes! :-)
Now as for the above quote.. I've been searching the AP and the major media outlets all night, and IF, and I use that term LOOSELY, it did break at 4pm on the west, it would have hit AP by now, and would have at least made Top Entertainment News, if not Top Stories. Nothing. Not a thing at all. And I can't even find anything other than here and on Steve's site. So there is no outside verification on this story at all.
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Proof #1: I've seen the paperwork players had to do.
Proof #2: Here's ABC's story (http://\"http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=367959\"), which is from AP. I believe there was an embargo on the story until this morning.
Since it has broke, here's the format. This may be subject to change based on player availability/and or my failing memory:
First round: 135 players play over 9 weeks. Losers take home $5K.
Second round: The 45 winners from round 1 plus 9 players who were given byes into round 2. Losers take home $15K.
Third round: The 18 winners play. Losers take home $25K or $50K (I can't remember which).
Fourth round: The 6 winners play. Losers take home $50K or $100K (I can't remember which).
Fifth round: The 2 winners vs. Ken in a three-game final. Third place gets $250K, second place gets $500K and the winner gets $2M.
What was unclear to me is whether a first round winner gets to keep accumulated money or simply earns what the loss limit was for the round they eventually lost.
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What was unclear to me is whether a first round winner gets to keep accumulated money or simply earns what the loss limit was for the round they eventually lost.
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Players in other tournaments don't keep the dollars earned in the maingame until the final(augmented to whatever the minimum amounts are/were for second and third place in the final when needed).
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WOW!! Now this is how you hold an all-time tournament! American Idol, eat your heart out. Anyway, do you think the finals of this tourney will be held in New York or something of that variety like the first one?
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[quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 02:55 AM\']Now as for the above quote.. I've been searching the AP and the major media outlets all night, and IF, and I use that term LOOSELY, it did break at 4pm on the west, it would have hit AP by now, and would have at least made Top Entertainment News, if not Top Stories. Nothing. Not a thing at all. And I can't even find anything other than here and on Steve's site. So there is no outside verification on this story at all.[/quote]
The initial poster said he saw the story on the ABC affiliate in Los Angeles. Two of us (myself included) confirm it without going into details. Steve posts a story that was clearly taken from a press release, including attributed quotes from Jennings, Trebek and Friedman. And yet you express your doubt not once, not twice, but three times?
A healthy skepticism is one thing, this borders on denial.
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[quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 02:55 AM\']I've been searching the AP and the major media outlets all night
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Try Google News. It searches 4,500 news sources at one time.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 10:10 AM\']The initial poster said he saw the story on the ABC affiliate in Los Angeles. Two of us (myself included) confirm it without going into details. Steve posts a story that was clearly taken from a press release, including attributed quotes from Jennings, Trebek and Friedman. ...
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Personally, I prefer to see it on Yahoo! News. Sure enough, here it is. (http://\"http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=494&ncid=763&e=3&u=/ap/20041229/ap_en_tv/people_jennings\")
Generic brand beef stew?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 10:10 AM\'][quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 02:55 AM\']Now as for the above quote.. I've been searching the AP and the major media outlets all night, and IF, and I use that term LOOSELY, it did break at 4pm on the west, it would have hit AP by now, and would have at least made Top Entertainment News, if not Top Stories. Nothing. Not a thing at all. And I can't even find anything other than here and on Steve's site. So there is no outside verification on this story at all.[/quote]
The initial poster said he saw the story on the ABC affiliate in Los Angeles. Two of us (myself included) confirm it without going into details. Steve posts a story that was clearly taken from a press release, including attributed quotes from Jennings, Trebek and Friedman. And yet you express your doubt not once, not twice, but three times?
A healthy skepticism is one thing, this borders on denial.
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Matt.. I hate to be the voice of dissent on this, but it did NOT hit the AP wire until about 8:15 this morning. The news was not posted from an accredited source that I could find. I personally do not get my daily news off of a message board, or through word of mouth. I choose to take my news from accredited sources that have been shown reliable throughout many many years.
Steve's site posted it, but as we all remember, he also posted the Pyramid debacle a while back, as well as a Price blunder on MDS's not too long ago, not to mention the other small blunders. I for one, see through the bible stance that media outlets have known him by, only by the Jeopardy fiasco. Many of us know the site for more than just that. And as for a press release... Usually a release as such would be either posted on Jep's site, or the production company, neither of which had it posted.
ABC7 in LA did NOT have the story on their site at all, at least last time I checked at 8AM this morning. So as for that, I don't know what to say. You would think if a story that big were to break, they would have at least posted it on their website.
So you tell me. Given the information, if you did not know about the scenario beforehand, would you be reluctant to keep a thread as such up, not being able to confirmed the report through a major source?
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[quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:55 PM\']Matt.. I hate to be the voice of dissent on this, but it did NOT hit the AP wire until about 8:15 this morning. The news was not posted from an accredited source that I could find. I personally do not get my daily news off of a message board, or through word of mouth. I choose to take my news from accredited sources that have been shown reliable throughout many many years. [/quote]
No, my impression is that you actually take great delight in being the voice of dissent on this. Waiting for a source that satisfies your mindset is one thing. Actively assuming the information to be false because your source hasn't reported it yet is what I have a problem with.
You're new here, so you don't know yet how seriously we take false or even unfounded rumors. The original poster said what his source was. The guy before you told you he was reading from the press release! I don't know what you're used to at Golden Road, but around here, someone who is that specific and is lying about it doesn't stay a member very long.
Also, you don't mean "accredited". The AP isn't licensed by the National Bureau of Reliable Sources. You merely mean "credible". Telling one of the moderators (as well as three other valued members) that you don't find his information credible is perhaps not the right foot to start out on around here.
Finally, and not incidentally, you were wrong.
So anyway, welcome to the Game Show Forum. You are going to get a lot of information here ahead of the AP or other mainstream sources. You're also going to get information that the AP doesn't even bother to report. Ultimately, I'm not all that concerned whether you'll believe it or not. But if you're going to make a big deal about NOT believing everything that we have before Steve or the AP does, you're going to be very busy, and more than a little annoying. And the vast majority of the time, you'll be wrong.
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[quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:55 PM\']Steve's site posted it, but as we all remember, he also posted the Pyramid debacle a while back, as well as a Price blunder on MDS's not too long ago, not to mention the other small blunders. I for one, see through the bible stance that media outlets have known him by, only by the Jeopardy fiasco.
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I hate to be the voice of dissention on this, but Steve's site was probably the only outlet on the continent that did not report on Ken Jennings' defeat until after it happened!
I also have the utmost confidence in Matt and Chris that had the information been false, the poster would have been dealt with seriously. So, why does Steve (or) anyone have to report it if we have our own credible sources confirming the reports?
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Tunahead, I understand your skepticism, but given Matt O.'s stature around here, I'd take his word as gold (and that details would emerge soon enough).
Let me go the other way for a moment as far as a "breaking story" goes. I actually knew of GSN's plans for their 3/15/04 rebranding and doing away with a lot of shows about two months or so before the info was publicized. My mother works in an ad agency and representatives from GSN came to her office to pitch their future plans (Mom saved for me a hard-to-read fax with names of the new shows). This obviously wasn't for public consumption (not even here), and I didn't want to jeopardize any potential relationship between GSN and my mother's agency by going public (I grappled with the question of whether to E-mail our moderators what I knew before opting against it because I didn't want to take any chances--I hope Chris and Matt [David was not yet a moderator at that point] aren't mad at me for doing so, but I also supposed that they'd find out in some other way, shape or form).
Point being--the story of GSN rebranding was major (in the grand scheme of this board) but wouldn't be picked up by any of the media outlets until the appropriate point in time. If I had violated the trust and posted something about it, some might've believed me while others might not have (even though I knew it was true). But eventually details would come out.
Doug
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[quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:51 PM\'][quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:55 PM\']Steve's site posted it, but as we all remember, he also posted the Pyramid debacle a while back, as well as a Price blunder on MDS's not too long ago, not to mention the other small blunders. I for one, see through the bible stance that media outlets have known him by, only by the Jeopardy fiasco.
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I hate to be the voice of dissention on this, but Steve's site was probably the only outlet on the continent that did not report on Ken Jennings' defeat until after it happened!
I also have the utmost confidence in Matt and Chris that had the information been false, the poster would have been dealt with seriously. So, why does Steve (or) anyone have to report it if we have our own credible sources confirming the reports?
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Having personally revoked the posting privileges of the last person who felt it necessary to post "news" without regard to either the accuracy of the information or the credibility of the source, I can attest to the fact that we deal with such matters seriously.
I might also note that earlier this year, one of the AP's political reporters filed a story claiming that at a rally for President Bush, Bush's supporters booed at the announcement of former President Clinton's hospitalization and that "Bush did nothing to stop them." The story was false -- there was no booing -- and the AP reporter who was at the rally had earlier said outright that his "mission" was to make sure that Bush didn't win re-election. I'd sooner trust many of the fine folks on this board than I'd trust the AP... particularly when it comes to game show news.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 07:57 AM\']WOW!! Now this is how you hold an all-time tournament! American Idol, eat your heart out. Anyway, do you think the finals of this tourney will be held in New York or something of that variety like the first one?
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Absolutely. Because New York is the center of the universe. Ask any New Yorker. They'll tell you.
*mutter*
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 01:59 PM\'][quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 07:57 AM\']WOW!! Now this is how you hold an all-time tournament! American Idol, eat your heart out. Anyway, do you think the finals of this tourney will be held in New York or something of that variety like the first one?
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*mutter*
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15 weeks of additional special shows this season really will piss off the contestant pool, as the number of contestant spots will decrease by 150 due to this tournament. This assumes they don't bother with the Teen tourney or celeb week or second Kids' week, delete those four weeks of special shows and it's still 110 contestant spots decreased.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 08:36 PM\']15 weeks of additional special shows this season really will piss off the contestant pool, as the number of contestant spots will decrease by 150 due to this tournament. This assumes they don't bother with the Teen tourney or celeb week or second Kids' week, delete those four weeks of special shows and it's still 110 contestant spots decreased.
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As I passed the test in June, I say it's too bad for me. I, nor anyone else, has a Constitutional right to be on a game show. It is their show, they can pick whoever they want. They have an obligation to put the best show they can in order to get maximum ratings. If they feel this will do it, more power to them. (I don't think the ratings will change too much except for the final shows of the tournament).
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[quote name=\'goongas\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 05:36 PM\']I, nor anyone else, has a Constitutional right to be on a game show.
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That is to say..."Not I, nor anyone else, has a Constitutional right to be on a game show." Right?
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It's what J! had to do after the Ken-run.
My biggest PROBLEM with this is that they can't top it. Once they do this, they really run a risk of J! becoming obsolete.
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As far as the contestant pool is concerned, I just don't see what they can do with all the Ken-mania around. I certainly would not want Ken in another ToC after this situation, though.
I just think that they had to do this, and people are just going to have to live with the results as far as being in the pool is concerned.
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Another question...will they be doing this in lieu of a ToC with Ken in the Fall?
I mean, after a $2Mil competition with him, where he has a one in 3 shot at the megabucks, what's the point of a $250K tourney where he has a 1 in 15 shot at a lot less?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM\'][quote name=\'goongas\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 05:36 PM\']I, nor anyone else, has a Constitutional right to be on a game show.
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Doug -- and the countdown to 900 continues
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 09:16 PM\']Another question...will they be doing this in lieu of a ToC with Ken in the Fall?
I mean, after a $2Mil competition with him, where he has a one in 3 shot at the megabucks, what's the point of a $250K tourney where he has a 1 in 15 shot at a lot less?
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Will there even BE a regular TofC next Fall? Clearly they won't have 13(if Ken is a part of it, and Kermin the college champ is a part of it) or 14 champions who have won four or more games(they've had only one three time champ in the four weeks since Ken lost), with all these weeks of regular games being taken up by this tourney. I don't see a regular TofC happening until May 2006 at the earliest.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 10:21 PM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 09:16 PM\']Another question...will they be doing this in lieu of a ToC with Ken in the Fall?
I mean, after a $2Mil competition with him, where he has a one in 3 shot at the megabucks, what's the point of a $250K tourney where he has a 1 in 15 shot at a lot less?
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Will there even BE a regular TofC next Fall? Clearly they won't have 13(if Ken is a part of it, and Kermin the college champ is a part of it) or 14 champions who have won four or more games(they've had only one three time champ in the four weeks since Ken lost), with all these weeks of regular games being taken up by this tourney. I don't see a regular TofC happening until May 2006 at the earliest.
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So Ken doesn't appear until the end. Not really much chance for over-exposure then.
But then, there's also little draw until the end for the casual fan who just wants to see Ken. I don't foresee huge ratings increases, should be pretty much normal.
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If it's done like the Masters tourney from a few years ago, then I think keeping a secret might be fine. Then again, word about this tourney has already hit the press, so it might be a problem.
BTW, did the Masters score any significant ratings?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 03:08 AM\']If it's done like the Masters tourney from a few years ago, then I think keeping a secret might be fine. Then again, word about this tourney has already hit the press, so it might be a problem.
BTW, did the Masters score any significant ratings?
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As far as the Masters went ratings wise, I saw no ratings higher than a 7.5 at max. Keep in mind it was aired in May 2002 & the sun's still in the sky at 7PM in the East(6PM Central)(arbitrary time slot because most stations air it at that hour). Therefore, many viewers tend to be outside at that point during the late stages of the season.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 04:08 AM\']If it's done like the Masters tourney from a few years ago, then I think keeping a secret might be fine. Then again, word about this tourney has already hit the press, so it might be a problem.
BTW, did the Masters score any significant ratings?
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Here are some of my ponderings on the current thread...
1) One of the aforementioned press releases I read said that they are going back and selecting the biggest winners over the past 21 years...
My question, for those who won in the earlier days when dollar values weren't doubled and cars weren't 'retiring gifts' for the 5 time winners. How are they going to adjust their winnings to compare with the winners of the past several years?
2) With this 'Ultimate Tourney' coming on the heels of Ken's reign of terror, and probably coming about as a result of his reign, I'm starting to see visions of Henry Winkler donning his leather jacket *and* water skis while the beach has just been cleared due to a shark sighting.
Does anyone else share this vision?
3) One of the larger winners in J! was our own Eddie Timanus. Since he appeared on "Millionaire last month and there was mention of his reign on J! and a Trivial Pursit card about him, to boot, could Eddie's recent TV appearance have played a small role in running this Ultimate J! now -- this, of course if he is indeed one of those tourney qualifiers?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 09:44 AM\']With this 'Ultimate Tourney' coming on the heels of Ken's reign of terror, and probably coming about as a result of his reign, I'm starting to see visions of Henry Winkler donning his leather jacket *and* water skis while the beach has just been cleared due to a shark sighting.
Does anyone else share this vision?
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That was one of my first thoughts, Tim. It's too soon for this. That 22 share or whatever it was scattered some thinking atoms. They just had a Masters event a couple of years ago. Ken was just knocked off a month ago. Absence needs to allow the heart to grow fonder a little bit. February-May 2006 MIGHT have been a better time for this. We shall see.
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Ken's appearance probably coincides with his book & game being released (provide it actually materializes).
Whether J! would let him plug it, I don't know.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 10:02 AM\']That was one of my first thoughts, Tim. It's too soon for this. That 22 share or whatever it was scattered some thinking atoms. They just had a Masters event a couple of years ago. Ken was just knocked off a month ago. Absence needs to allow the heart to grow fonder a little bit. February-May 2006 MIGHT have been a better time for this. We shall see.
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Actually, they should've held out in doing "Ultimate J!" for a few more years to have it coincide with the 25th Silver Anniversary season of the current incarnation of J!. That would have been classy *and* be a ratings jauggernaut.
Not to mention that by then, because of the rule change we'd probably have a few more 10, 20 or 30+ game winners that would be a better match-up with Ken.
Then you could seed off those mega-game winners in such a way that in each first round elimination round you'd those people more recent & noteworthy against the lesser known 5-time champs from 5, 10, 15 or 20 some years ago.
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The way I think it should be done is to have Ken on for all 15 weeks and whomever can beat him would move on to a final week of matches against Ken. "The Ken Jennings Challenge," if you will.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 09:42 AM\']The way I think it should be done is to have Ken on for all 15 weeks and whomever can beat him would move on to a final week of matches against Ken. "The Ken Jennings Challenge," if you will.
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What happens if nobody beats him?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 10:44 AM\']Here are some of my ponderings on the current thread...
3) One of the larger winners in J! was our own Eddie Timanus. Since he appeared on "Millionaire last month and there was mention of his reign on J! and a Trivial Pursit card about him, to boot, could Eddie's recent TV appearance have played a small role in running this Ultimate J! now -- this, of course if he is indeed one of those tourney qualifiers?
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They are doing it now so they can strike while the iron is still hot, so to speak. Eddie's appearance on WWTBAM doesn't make much of a difference. I would be very surprised if Eddie is not invited. He may even get one of the byes that have been talked about.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 10:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 09:42 AM\']The way I think it should be done is to have Ken on for all 15 weeks and whomever can beat him would move on to a final week of matches against Ken. "The Ken Jennings Challenge," if you will.
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What happens if nobody beats him?
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Declare Ken the all-time champ.
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I thihnk they're prepared for the opening rounds being lower-rated, although they might prepare for that by having Ken in the studio every day in a seat in between Alex and the players and having him participate in some way (not to mention KW cutting promos that make it look like he's a contestant).
As for security, I see releases being handed out to the audience in line stating that they will not dislcose the outcome of what they are going to see--and you can't get in unless you sign it. I also see everyone who has a connection to the show signing non-disclosure agreements, tapes being delivered to Media City for post-production in unmarked containers and perhaps not feeding the finals to the stations over the weekend before air dates as per normal, but on the air date--perhaps making the first feed at the earliest time a station airs "J!", making that station put the feed directly on the air.
And the reason I believe they'll stay at home for this tourney, outside of the length, is very simple: There's a greater chance someone will squeal when you have 3-5,000 in the audience than when you just have 200.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 12:07 PM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 10:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 09:42 AM\']The way I think it should be done is to have Ken on for all 15 weeks and whomever can beat him would move on to a final week of matches against Ken. "The Ken Jennings Challenge," if you will.
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What happens if nobody beats him?
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Declare Ken the all-time champ.
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I think we've acknowledged that already. ;-)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 12:29 PM\']As for security, I see releases being handed out to the audience in line stating that they will not dislcose the outcome of what they are going to see--and you can't get in unless you sign it. I also see everyone who has a connection to the show signing non-disclosure agreements, tapes being delivered to Media City for post-production in unmarked containers and perhaps not feeding the finals to the stations over the weekend before air dates as per normal, but on the air date--perhaps making the first feed at the earliest time a station airs "J!", making that station put the feed directly on the air.
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That won't stop some big-mouth from blabbing. This isn't like the "Who Shot J.R.?" mystery on Dallas where you can simply shoot multiple endings. As we learned from Ken's defeat to Ms. Zerg, someone will not be able to keep his or her lip zipped.
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From the moment I read about this I knew it was a JTS moment. No, I don't believe this stunt will hurt J!'s longevity or how the show is regarded.
KenJen is the draw, not the 150 people who have a shot at facing him. This tournament proves nothing unless one person from the first round goes the distance.
If J! *really* wanted to see how former players would have done with the unlimited winnings format, they could just open up the game to any 5 time champ pre 2003 and let them have another shot.
Besides, only Brad Rutter can top KJs money amount...unless someone else won $500K+.
Again, it proves nothing and Ken will still be king once the dust has settled.
BTW, I liked Ken's comment about how he'd come back to play for Arby's coupons. I smell another endorsement deal! :)
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 09:44 AM\']2) With this 'Ultimate Tourney' coming on the heels of Ken's reign of terror, and probably coming about as a result of his reign, I'm starting to see visions of Henry Winkler donning his leather jacket *and* water skis while the beach has just been cleared due to a shark sighting.
Does anyone else share this vision?
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As much as I love J!, I think the shark was sighted when they added the Clue Crew. It does nothing but slow down the show, IMO.
Like Don H. said, wait a couple of years, but then again, by 2006 folks might forget about Ken Jennings.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 10:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 09:42 AM\']The way I think it should be done is to have Ken on for all 15 weeks and whomever can beat him would move on to a final week of matches against Ken. "The Ken Jennings Challenge," if you will.[/quote]
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Then Ken will go Shatner and play the final week against himself and himself, holding all three signaling devices.
(Hopefully no podia will be thrown, though.)
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 12:46 PM\']That won't stop some big-mouth from blabbing.
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You mean, "That won't stop some big-mouth from blabbing. (http://\"http://www.kottke.org\")"
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It was bound to happen... Ken and the tournament have been Slashdotted (http://\"http://slashdot.org/articles/04/12/30/0218204.shtml?tid=129\").
My favorite post...
Host Alex Trebek called the tournament the "quest for Ken."
But in the year 2020, people will look back upon the event and remember it as "the day of ownage by that young Mormon dude."
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(Hopefull no podia will be thrown, though.)
Anyone who appreciates the fact that the alternate plural of "podium" is "podia" will appreciate the fact that the contestants use lecturns, not podiums.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 10:29 AM\']I thihnk they're prepared for the opening rounds being lower-rated, although they might prepare for that by having Ken in the studio every day in a seat in between Alex and the players and having him participate in some way
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Hey, I got an idea! Let's put Ken in an electric cage up on the set, and cut between him and the actual players to get his reaction on everything going on. Then, at the end of the round, we could fire up the cage, and Ken could do a little dance for everyone.
"Dance, monkey! DANCE!"
This is the UberTournament you've all been clamoring about for ages, and now everyone's screaming that if Jennings isn't on-screen every third minute, it's gonna be a failure. Folks, this version of Jeopardy made it 23 years without Ken Jennings, and it's done JUST FINE in the ratings.
It'll be okay. Really. It won't hurt you to see other people on the screen. Two minutes 'til Wapner.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 11:42 AM\']The way I think it should be done is to have Ken on for all 15 weeks and whomever can beat him would move on to a final week of matches against Ken. "The Ken Jennings Challenge," if you will.[/quote]
What is it they say about great minds, Jim? I posted this on the Sony board yesterday:
You know, they could have gone a different way. Line up all the champs two at a time, and have Ken play all of them. Then after that's over, have just the winners (including Ken), however many there are, play a super tournament.
That way, everybody gets to find out how they'd do against Ken, Jeopardy keeps their main man front and center for another 15 weeks, and you'd still end with an ultimate championship!
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Matt, I have to admit you come up with some great ideas!
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Isn't it a bit unfair to give him a bye into the finals? I can see why they wouldn't want the main attraction eliminated before the final, but why not make it double-elimination or triple-elimination if that's a concern?
Plus, if he played in the early rounds, there would be more opporunities to air his show on key ratings days.
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I think the whole point of this tournament is to whittle down the field of Jeopardy! greats down to two, with the final prize being Ken in a clash of the titans. I think considering that, it's more than fair, because that'll probably be the best thing for them. The question now is will people watch for 15 weeks to see who gets to that point?
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 12:30 PM\']
(Hopefull no podia will be thrown, though.)
Anyone who appreciates the fact that the alternate plural of "podium" is "podia" will appreciate the fact that the contestants use lecturns, not podiums.
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Pig's ass they do. [I've always wanted to say that. :) ]
A lectern is a podium used to hold a book or scripture so a person may read standing up.
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Looking up the definitions, it seems that neither "lectern" nor "podium" is truly a proper description of what a J! contestant stands behind.
Anyway, I was talking about Alex's podium. Uh, lectern. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Here's why I think Ken is automatically byed to the finals. If he was placed in a 1st round group, he'd probably beat them hands down, unless there'a either Rutter or Seymour or Forrester or Spangleburg among them, that may be diffrent. I guess there's always a gimmick to make viewers think that this tournament is just about Ken. Actually, it's more than that. MUCH MORE!
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Wouldn't it be funny if Ken got knocked out in the first round? That would be a side-splitter. That could be why he's allowed to advance directly to the final series of games. Otherwise, they'd potentially be stuck with another 14 or 15 weeks of a tournament with the star attraction never to appear again.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 12:28 PM\']Wouldn't it be funny if Ken got knocked out in the first round? That would be a side-splitter. That could be why he's allowed to advance directly to the final series of games. Otherwise, they'd potentially be stuck with another 14 or 15 weeks of a tournament with the star attraction never to appear again.[/quote]
My opinion is that's precisely why they're doing it this way. It really has nothing to do with what is or is not "fair". Ken is the draw, and having hin at the end guarantees a huge turnout for the final games.
Hey, as I said over at the Sony board, the great part of this for the 150 or so who've been invited is that they get to play the game again. For many of them, that's incentive enough. Some of us would kill to get another chance, if you know what I'm saying.
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The whole idea is Ken being the ultimate goal for the rest to aspire to.
I could almost envision a revised set with Ken sitting in a catbird's seat watching every match. (Like one game show where the champion watched the challengers from a catbird's seat -- can't remember it -- think it was late 70's/early 80's).
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And Matt, that idea of people wanting another shot does not extend to just champs. I'd have to think you might've won at least five if you weren't playing the game show equivalent of God.
(Small exaggeration there, for the hyperbole-impaired.)
One question I have: Eddie Timanus. Is he ineligible because of his Nov. 2004 Millionaire appearance?
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 12:45 PM\']The whole idea is Ken being the ultimate goal for the rest to aspire to.
I could almost envision a revised set with Ken sitting in a catbird's seat watching every match. (Like one game show where the champion watched the challengers from a catbird's seat -- can't remember it -- think it was late 70's/early 80's).
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 01:48 PM\']And Matt, that idea of people wanting another shot does not extend to just champs. I'd have to think you might've won at least five if you weren't playing the game show equivalent of God.
One question I have: Eddie Timanus. Is he ineligible because of his Nov. 2004 Millionaire appearance?[/quote]
Thanks for thinking of me, starcade, but I'm smart enough to realize that this super-champs idea is much better for the show than a loser's reunion.
As for Eddie (or anybody else for that matter), I'm sure Jeopardy is going to have the same disclaimers that they had for the M$M tournament, basically saying that this is an invitational, the old rules don't matter and we can invite whomever we please. After Ken, Eddie is probably the most famous contestant Jeopardy has. They'd be crazy not to include him in this.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 01:00 PM\']After Ken, Eddie is probably the most famous contestant Jeopardy has. They'd be crazy not to include him in this.
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I'm not sure if this was starcade's question (if not, it's mine): I believe Millionaire's contract prohibits contestants from appearing on another game show for a year after the date of the qualifying phone call, which would probably have been in September for Eddie. Would he have to return his $50K from Millionaire to appear?
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[quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 04:26 PM\']I'm not sure if this was starcade's question (if not, it's mine): I believe Millionaire's contract prohibits contestants from appearing on another game show for a year after the date of the qualifying phone call, which would probably have been in September for Eddie. Would he have to return his $50K from Millionaire to appear?
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In terms of legalities, I do not know, but for an event such as this, I should think that the Millionaire people would be insane to try to invoke such a clause, just because of the PR. Imagine the headline: "MILLIONAIRE DENIES BLIND JEOPARDY CHAMPION HIS WINNINGS". Not good.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 08:24 PM\']In terms of legalities, I do not know, but for an event such as this, I should think that the Millionaire people would be insane to try to invoke such a clause, just because of the PR. Imagine the headline: "MILLIONAIRE DENIES BLIND JEOPARDY CHAMPION HIS WINNINGS". Not good.[/quote]
Have there been any Millionaire contestants who forfeited their winnings in such a manner in the past? I can see one of them on the phone with a lawyer trying to get their money if Eddie played the tournament without losing his winnings.
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Not sure if that ever happened, but if that happened to Eddie, I'd be up in arms over this since he's blind & I can somewhat relate to his handicapp.
Let's go the oppisite way on this: Didn't I see somewhere where a J! contestant may have forfeited his $2K consolation prize because he won big money on Millionaire a few months earlier?
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I got it!!! They'll do this. Four players will play the first half of the Jeopardy! round. The lowest scorer is eliminated before the opening set of commercials.
Three players remain. The lowest scorer of those is eliminated when the first Jeopardy! round concludes.
Two players remain. The higher scorer after Double Jeopardy! goes on to face the Super Jeopardy! bonus board.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 1 2005, 09:15 PM\']I got it!!! They'll do this. Four players will play the first half of the Jeopardy! round. The lowest scorer is eliminated before the opening set of commercials.
Three players remain. The lowest scorer of those is eliminated when the first Jeopardy! round concludes.
Two players remain. The higher scorer after Double Jeopardy! goes on to face the Super Jeopardy! bonus board.[/quote]
And then, it's on to Fast Money, for Twenty! Thousand! Dollars!
(audience goes nuts)
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 01:46 PM\']That won't stop some big-mouth from blabbing. This isn't like the "Who Shot J.R.?" mystery on Dallas where you can simply shoot multiple endings. As we learned from Ken's defeat to Ms. Zerg, someone will not be able to keep his or her lip zipped.
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Maybe they could do a Survivor-like ending. Tape everything up until Final Jeopardy, but then keep the results of FJ secret until revealing them weeks later, on a live show. Followed by a reunion, of course. :)
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[quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 02:28 AM\']Maybe they could do a Survivor-like ending. Tape everything up until Final Jeopardy, but then keep the results of FJ secret until revealing them weeks later, on a live show. Followed by a reunion, of course. :)
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Bryant Gumbel could host.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 10:16 AM\'][quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 02:28 AM\']Maybe they could do a Survivor-like ending. Tape everything up until Final Jeopardy, but then keep the results of FJ secret until revealing them weeks later, on a live show. Followed by a reunion, of course. :)
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Bryant Gumbel could host.
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Nah, just let the other J! host do it, since he's an expert at it. :) :)
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 02:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 10:16 AM\'][quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 02:28 AM\']Maybe they could do a Survivor-like ending. Tape everything up until Final Jeopardy, but then keep the results of FJ secret until revealing them weeks later, on a live show. Followed by a reunion, of course. :)
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Nah, just let the other J! host do it, since he's an expert at it. :) :)
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I don't think Art Fleming's family would like us digging up his grave. Then again, I know some folks who would love to ask about his corpse hosting Jeopardy!
Two days into the year, and I've already booked a trip to Hell. Could always use a roommate.
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Our own Leszek Pawlowicz has the distinction of having never lost on Jeopardy. He was very vocal about a reunion tournament for several years, and then when J! finally did a rerun post Super J! did not get invited to the Million Dollar Masters tournament. I'm hoping J! will bring him back for this upcoming one, especially with roughly 10 times the number of people returning.
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[quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:51 PM\'][quote name=\'TunaHead\' date=\'Dec 29 2004, 12:55 PM\']Steve's site posted it, but as we all remember, he also posted the Pyramid debacle a while back, as well as a Price blunder on MDS's not too long ago, not to mention the other small blunders. I for one, see through the bible stance that media outlets have known him by, only by the Jeopardy fiasco.
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I hate to be the voice of dissention on this, but Steve's site was probably the only outlet on the continent that did not report on Ken Jennings' defeat until after it happened!
I also have the utmost confidence in Matt and Chris that had the information been false, the poster would have been dealt with seriously. So, why does Steve (or) anyone have to report it if we have our own credible sources confirming the reports?
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Only because of the fact that he chose not to (with great (and somewhat deserved!) restraint and upset-ness...
The reason that a lot of people don't give Steve a lot of benefit is because they don't like the guy and are, bluntly, jealous of his success. If they think they can do a better job, DO IT.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 07:08 PM\']Our own Leszek Pawlowicz has the distinction of having never lost on Jeopardy. He was very vocal about a reunion tournament for several years, and then when J! finally did a rerun post Super J! did not get invited to the Million Dollar Masters tournament. I'm hoping J! will bring him back for this upcoming one, especially with roughly 10 times the number of people returning.
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I would have to think that, if he's eligible, he's coming. They certainly have a lot more people to involve this time.
One side question: Anyone think they might just go with a 4-tier qualification tournament, win or you're out?
You'd be looking at 162 for that (3^4 = 81 for each of the two spots).
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[quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 02:28 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 01:46 PM\']That won't stop some big-mouth from blabbing. This isn't like the "Who Shot J.R.?" mystery on Dallas where you can simply shoot multiple endings. As we learned from Ken's defeat to Ms. Zerg, someone will not be able to keep his or her lip zipped.
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I'd have to think the final is going to have to be done with extreme secrecy. Would not even be surprised if it WERE a live final!! But, unless it's a secret final or a live one, there's no way we won't know the winner weeks in advance.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 02:14 PM\'][quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 12:45 PM\']The whole idea is Ken being the ultimate goal for the rest to aspire to.
I could almost envision a revised set with Ken sitting in a catbird's seat watching every match. (Like one game show where the champion watched the challengers from a catbird's seat -- can't remember it -- think it was late 70's/early 80's).
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I think you might be refering to the Narz "Now You See It".
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I do believe so, yes. Thankoo.
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[quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 06:26 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 01:00 PM\']After Ken, Eddie is probably the most famous contestant Jeopardy has. They'd be crazy not to include him in this.
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I'm not sure if this was starcade's question (if not, it's mine): I believe Millionaire's contract prohibits contestants from appearing on another game show for a year after the date of the qualifying phone call, which would probably have been in September for Eddie. Would he have to return his $50K from Millionaire to appear?
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I think it would have to be a known quantity there. I think Eddie probably taped his appearance in, what, Aug. or Sept.? I can't think all the T's and I's were crossed and dotted for this until just recently. I do think there'd have to be some discussion between the shows to include him (which was my rationale for asking...).
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 07:54 PM\']The reason that a lot of people don't give Steve a lot of benefit is because they don't like the guy and are, bluntly, jealous of his success. If they think they can do a better job, DO IT.
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Okay, time for the mini-rant again.
The reason I don't give Steve a lot of "benefit" is because his authority and fame are wholly a result of his own manipulation of the media. We have members on this very group who are far more knowledgeable about the subject than The Perfesser is, and we certainly have members who are better journalists, which is SUPPOSED to be Steve-O's area of expertise.
The Perfesser, quite simply, is the World's Foremost Authority only because he says so, and the media believes him. Any one of us could pump out press releases and maintain a Web site offering our self-professed considerable knowledge when something major like this happens, but most of us would rather invest the not-insignificant time in something more useful, like a social life. And the media, who doesn't and doesn't care to know any better, sucks it all up like a Shamrock Shake. And it snowballs.
So I salute Steve Beverly for manipulating the media into thinking he's someone important, but at the same time I point out, as someone who has worked in a newsroom for several years, that it's about as difficult as one of the llama questions on Millionaire.
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 09:54 PM\']The reason that a lot of people don't give Steve a lot of benefit is because they don't like the guy and are, bluntly, jealous of his success. If they think they can do a better job, DO IT.
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If I had the time to maintain such a site; I would. However, I don't. I'm in college; have a job; officiate basketball; and oh, yes--have a life outside of my computer.
That said; he follows highly questionable journalistic practices, many of which I don't agree with.
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 09:54 PM\']Only because of the fact that he chose not to (with great (and somewhat deserved!) restraint and upset-ness...
The reason that a lot of people don't give Steve a lot of benefit is because they don't like the guy and are, bluntly, jealous of his success. If they think they can do a better job, DO IT.
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As a journalism major, I can tell you that although I don't dislike Steve, I definitely do not like some of his reporting ways. I've read far too many stories that have way too much subjectivity, which is a no-no in journalism. Sure, you could say it's not a bona fide journalistic site, compared to the NY Times (wait, bad example, but you get the point), but still a little objectivity wouldn't hurt, and could say a lot for credibility given Steve's background.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 09:59 PM\']As a journalism major, I can tell you that although I don't dislike Steve, I definitely do not like some of his reporting ways. I've read far too many stories that have way too much subjectivity, which is a no-no in journalism. Sure, you could say it's not a bona fide journalistic site, compared to the NY Times (wait, bad example, but you get the point), but still a little objectivity wouldn't hurt, and could say a lot for credibility given Steve's background.
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If there was a magic machine that turned self-absorption into objectivity, Steve would be the best journalist the world has ever seen.
I love how he so deftly includes himself in the pictures of the Game Show Legends photo gallery from the Game Show Congress.
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The reason that a lot of people don't give Steve a lot of benefit is because they don't like the guy and are, bluntly, jealous of his success. If they think they can do a better job, DO IT.
Hmm, last time I checked, some of us, most of the staff are here also, do try to do it better and, IMO, do better. It's called Game Show NewsNet.
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Day One of Ultimate Jeopardy!
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
ALEX: Great to have you back, Ken.
KEN: Great to be here, Alex. This should be fun.
Day Two of Ultimate Jeopardy!
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
ALEX: What did you think of the show yesterday, Ken?
KEN: I thought it was exciting. Leszek looks dangerous. I'm afraid to play him in the final round.
Day Three of Ultimate Jeopardy!
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
ALEX: Good competition so far, wouldn't you, say, Ken?
KEN: Absolutely, Alex. Chuck still has the right stuff. I think he'll be a strong contender.
Day Four of Ultimate Jeopardy!
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
ALEX: Any advice to the players who have yet to play in our tournament?
KEN: I'd say follow Frank's example from yesterday. He's tough and I believe he has what it takes to go the distance.
And on and on and on and on.......................................
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 4 2005, 07:50 AM\']Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
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Dance, monkey! DANCE! :)
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 10:03 PM\'][quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 06:26 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 31 2004, 01:00 PM\']After Ken, Eddie is probably the most famous contestant Jeopardy has. They'd be crazy not to include him in this.
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I'm not sure if this was starcade's question (if not, it's mine): I believe Millionaire's contract prohibits contestants from appearing on another game show for a year after the date of the qualifying phone call, which would probably have been in September for Eddie. Would he have to return his $50K from Millionaire to appear?
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I think it would have to be a known quantity there. I think Eddie probably taped his appearance in, what, Aug. or Sept.?
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The week of Sept. 20--the week after I attended a taping. They are airing in sequence this season.
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And what will they follow this monster tournament up with in their continuing quest for desperation? A six-month event beginning in November? And will it be called Ultra Jeopardy!?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 5 2005, 08:07 AM\']And what will they follow this monster tournament up with in their continuing quest for desperation? A six-month event beginning in November? And will it be called Ultra Jeopardy!?
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Perhaps they could look to see who is "the greatest Jeopardy! player in the world" by inviting representives from 150 countries to slug it out for 15 weeks with the two winners battle Ken for... say... $3,000,000?
-Joe R.
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Perhaps they could look to see who is "the greatest Jeopardy! player in the world" by inviting representives from 150 countries to slug it out for 15 weeks with the two winners battle Ken for... say... $3,000,000?
-Joe R.
I don't think we need any more deperate attempts to bring back Jennings-ish ratings again for a while.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 10:19 PM\']The Perfesser, quite simply, is the World's Foremost Authority only because he says so, and the media believes him.
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So, in other words, Steve Beverly is the Rush Limbaugh of Game Shows, no?
And would that make the 4 or 5 true followers of the Perf....DOTTO-Heads?
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Now you're insulting Rush Limbaugh.
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Perhaps they could look to see who is "the greatest Jeopardy! player in the world" by inviting representives from 150 countries to slug it out for 15 weeks with the two winners battle Ken for... say... $3,000,000?
I don't think we need any more deperate attempts to bring back Jennings-ish ratings again for a while.
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Including the upcoming event. And now, a survey: How many of the people you know who aren't big time fans of the genre like us but did follow the Ken Jennings Juggernaut last year are looking forward to this Tournament Of Tournaments?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 6 2005, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Jan 5 2005, 04:37 PM\']
Perhaps they could look to see who is "the greatest Jeopardy! player in the world" by inviting representives from 150 countries to slug it out for 15 weeks with the two winners battle Ken for... say... $3,000,000?
I don't think we need any more deperate attempts to bring back Jennings-ish ratings again for a while.
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Including the upcoming event. And now, a survey: How many of the people you know who aren't big time fans of the genre like us but did follow the Ken Jennings Juggernaut last year are looking forward to this Tournament Of Tournaments?
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They aren't aware of it yet and won't be until is airs. Myself, I'd like to see just how well Ken would do on TPIR. Even Yolanda Bowersly could beat him with her top on.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 6 2005, 03:00 PM\'] And now, a survey: How many of the people you know who aren't big time fans of the genre like us but did follow the Ken Jennings Juggernaut last year are looking forward to this Tournament Of Tournaments?[/quote]
I may not be the most unbiased person to answer this question, and I also may not be answering quite the question you're asking. But in my work, I have tons of acquaintances who like to talk to me about my Jeopardy experience. A lot of those folks, most of whom I'm guesing aren't huge fans, have been asking me about this tournament. So the awareness is there. Whether that translates to an appreciable ratings uptick remains to be seen.
I frankly doubt it. Their Million Dollar Masters was essentially the same thing, but with a core group of supposedly familiar faces in a much smaller time window. My understanding was that the M$M didn't set Nielsen on fire. Spread out over months, and with Ken's participation limited to the end, I don't think this stunt will make much of a difference either.
Still, as a fan, I'm geeked!
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I'm beginning to think that Ken's face will be all over this tournament.
(I like my idea of the cat bird's seat, though -- it gets Ken's face on every episode, and that's really the only damn point of this entire enterprise.)
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Jan 5 2005, 04:33 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 5 2005, 08:07 AM\']And what will they follow this monster tournament up with in their continuing quest for desperation? A six-month event beginning in November? And will it be called Ultra Jeopardy!?
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Perhaps they could look to see who is "the greatest Jeopardy! player in the world" by inviting representives from 150 countries to slug it out for 15 weeks with the two winners battle Ken for... say... $3,000,000?
-Joe R.
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They actually had an international tournament, as I remember... I fear you may be right, though...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 4 2005, 11:46 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 4 2005, 07:50 AM\']Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
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Dance, monkey! DANCE! :)
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Which is exactly how I think it will go -- that's just me...
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 6 2005, 10:54 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 4 2005, 11:46 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 4 2005, 07:50 AM\']Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
Alex introduces King Ken at the top of the show. Ken enters.
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Dance, monkey! DANCE! :)
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Which is exactly how I think it will go -- that's just me...
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Yes, you've made that clear on this post, multiple times. We hear you.
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As long as we're on topic about Ken here, does anyone happen to have a tape of his Dec. 23 appearance on "Last Call With Carson Daly"? Even though it was repeated Jan. 3, I really want to get a copy.
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As has the "Dance, Monkey, DANCE!" point too...
(Not to yell at them, just to make the point that the whole thing is rather repetitive...)
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 7 2005, 09:01 PM\']As has the "Dance, Monkey, DANCE!" point too...
(Not to yell at them, just to make the point that the whole thing is rather repetitive...)
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And the difference between those posting and yours, was the "Dance, Monkey, Dance" comments were funny.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Jan 7 2005, 09:28 PM\'][quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 7 2005, 09:01 PM\']As has the "Dance, Monkey, DANCE!" point too...
(Not to yell at them, just to make the point that the whole thing is rather repetitive...)
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And the difference between those posting and yours, was the "Dance, Monkey, Dance" comments were funny.
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Why must everything be funny to you? (Just askin'...)
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jan 10 2005, 09:37 PM\']Why must everything be funny to you? (Just askin'...)
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From my standpoint, I would rather read something that's amusing, as opposed to something that stinks to high heaven. That's just me--if you like bad jokes--more power too ya.