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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: cmjb13 on July 14, 2003, 08:39:40 AM
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I'm wondering what people think on this.
Do you think people who love game shows are stereotyped? Similar to that of pro wrestling fans who are embarrassed and harassed for liking such a thing, or would be embarrased if someone caught them watching it?
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I'd like to think game show lovers are not stereotyped. There are people from all walks of life here(white and blue-collar, a few male and a few female, etc.)
I had people, including relatives, wondering about my GS fetish going back to five years old or so.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 07:39 AM\'] I'm wondering what people think on this.
Do you think people who love game shows are stereotyped? Similar to that of pro wrestling fans who are embarrassed and harassed for liking such a thing, or would be embarrased if someone caught them watching it? [/quote]
It may seem like we're stereotyped as \"geeks,\" but then again, the folks on this websi...uh...newsgr....uh board, are basically the \"creme de la creme\" of game show fans. There are a lot of \"closet\" game show fans out there, and you just don't know it. I've had numerous conversations with friends about GSN and the recent MOGSM specials, which ran pretty deep. It's actually surprising (but cool) to hear someone else my age (or younger) talk about Dawson's Feud or Match Game 7x. Trust me, GSN has a fan base other than the 200-something guys here, old and young. :-)
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 05:39 AM\'] Similar to that of pro wrestling fans who are embarrassed and harassed for liking such a thing, or would be embarrased if someone caught them watching it? [/quote]
People are embarrassed to watch pro wrestling?
Not THIS person. :)
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I'm embarassed to watch wrestling any more. Just recently I saw a one-legged wrestler almost kiss Vince McMahon's bare nekkid butt on WWE. That was enough of that.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 03:14 PM\'] I'm embarassed to watch wrestling any more. Just recently I saw a one-legged wrestler almost kiss Vince McMahon's bare nekkid butt on WWE. That was enough of that. [/quote]
You got me there. I wince whenever McMahon pulls out the \"Kiss-My-Ass Club\" angle yet again.
But then there are the Rey Mysterios of the world who make up for it. And that one-legged kid (in an ass-kicking contest, no less!) is actually an incredible wrestler when he's in an actual match. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 06:26 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 03:14 PM\'] I'm embarassed to watch wrestling any more. Just recently I saw a one-legged wrestler almost kiss Vince McMahon's bare nekkid butt on WWE. That was enough of that. [/quote]
You got me there. I wince whenever McMahon pulls out the "Kiss-My-Ass Club" angle yet again.
But then there are the Rey Mysterios of the world who make up for it. And that one-legged kid (in an ass-kicking contest, no less!) is actually an incredible wrestler when he's in an actual match. :) [/quote]
Just before Raw airs, I'd like to say that for some reason, my dad prefers wrestlers that do power moves over smaller wrestlers. Big Show is a sterling example. I just watched the Shawn Michaels DVD. He did crazy stuff in his prime during the mid '90s. I almost prefer that DVD over my Hulk Still Rules DVD, except that it needed a few more matches and other tech issues w/ the DVD.
NOSTALGIA~!
ObGameShow: WCW and WWF were on Combs Feud. Not at the same time though.
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[quote name=\'jalman\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 06:01 PM\'] I almost prefer that DVD over my Hulk Still Rules DVD, except that it needed a few more matches and other tech issues w/ the DVD. [/quote]
Is this \"From The Vault\" that you speak of? I may have to pick that up, if so. I REALLY enjoyed Hulk Still Rules, and if you say this comes close, it may be worth it. Does it have the Montreal Screwjob on it?
What are the tech issues you had with it?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 09:54 PM\'] [quote name=\'jalman\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 06:01 PM\'] I almost prefer that DVD over my Hulk Still Rules DVD, except that it needed a few more matches and other tech issues w/ the DVD. [/quote]
Is this "From The Vault" that you speak of? I may have to pick that up, if so. I REALLY enjoyed Hulk Still Rules, and if you say this comes close, it may be worth it. Does it have the Montreal Screwjob on it?
What are the tech issues you had with it? [/quote]
Yes, the Shawn Michaels DVD is \"From the Vault\"
First and foremost, I watch DVDs w/my computer and an el-cheapo 5.1 home theater setup (RCA bookshelf speakers, low-end Pioneer receiver, modded Sony subwoofer, Phillips soundcard w/SPDIF output, and an 19-in. monitor)
The video quality on \"From the Vault\" is only a slight improvement than the Hogan DVD, but it's still disappointing. This is due to a low bitrate hovering around 3 MBits or so. This leads to a blockier presentation on my monitor, thus leading me to believe that something went wrong when the source materials was mastered and transferred to DVD. Unfortunately, I have three WWE DVDs and they all share this problem.
Also, I believe \"From the Vault\" is the first WWE DVD done in 5.1 surround instead of plain 2.0 stereo. However, all three front channels contain the announcer's commentary and the crowd noise with little support in the surround channels. The LFE channel is virtually nonexistant, leading me to worrry whether my sub's amp was blown. The little vignettes they do before the matches has a better and more appropriate audio presentation.
The more I think about it, the more I lean on returning it.
I hope nobody's head is spinning from reading this.
Clarence
(ObGameshow: I think Shokus Video has some of their game show compilations on DVD now.)
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[quote name=\'jalman\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 08:30 PM\'] I hope nobody's head is spinning from reading this.
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Far from it...I'm somewhat of a DVD afficianado myself, and that's exactly the kind of information I wanted. Thanks!
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Ah, an intelligent discussion about wrestling and DVD's, in a thread about GS' being a guilty pleasure...
Gotta love it.
I'm not ashamed to say I'm a game show fan. Also, I'm not as proud of it as I was back when things were better, but, yeah, I'm a wrestling fan (still).
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They really need to clean house at WWE. Fire about 50% of the wrestlers (Keep just enough big names to keep the promotion running until they establish the new guys, then can them too), and bring in new talent. The Ric Flairs and the like can't keep wrestling into their 100s, as much as WWE brass would like them too. Gotta start working on new talent.
And, they gotta get new writers. The new creative angles plain out suck, and the only ideas that are REMOTELY good, are recycled from years ago.
It seems like that around 2 different points, the quality of the work took nosedives, and have never recovered from them. The first dive happened when WCW was bought by Vince & Co. Without the competition (not that WCW was any comp for the WWF/WWE at the time anyway, but still), the main brass let the quality on Raw slide BIGTIME, and the quality on Smackdown go down quite a bit too. But, the shows still had their highpoint. But then, right around the time that the Panda (World Wildlife Fund) won the rights to the WWF name, things seemed to suddenly drop in quality again. And the brand has never fully recovered. About once every 2 mos, there will be a bright spot, but it's mostly dismal. Thank the Lord for VHS' and DVD's with old matches on them....
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Hello there. Disgruntled WWE fan here. I saw tonight's episode of RAW, and it sucked. Before I get back to topic, I am going to pitch a bitch about this.
If you had read my second post at the \"GSN: R.I.P.\" post, you know that I am anti-HHH. His backstage politics are clearly ruining the Monday Night RAW experience as well as his boring mic segments and crappy wrestling performances. What is also bad are the numerous instances of \"Crash TV\" segments present on both shows. I have no shame in saying that I am a WWE fan and I am openly talking about wrestling to anyone who listens. There absolutely is no shame in my game.
The same goes with game shows. I always talk to my friends and family about game shows. It is my unbridled love of game shows that drive me to be a full-fleged game show host. That is also why I do game shows on campus. From Match Game and Family Feud to (Super) Password (Plus) and The $250 Pyramid, this shows my dedication and devotion to reviving a product that is shockingly and unfortunately frowned upon by today's masses. Stereotyped? Hardly. In fact, I think that we are in a higher regard than those who take delight in seeing the most negative form in human television ever invented -- reality television. I also find it nice to be in a board where we have past contestants, those who worked on a show as an intern, a kick-ass announcer whom I hope to work with when I enter the business, and those with strong opinions that support or refute my arguments. We are the core of those who have some level of adoration of game shows, whether they reveal it or not.
For those of you who have friends that lambaste the institution that is the game show, give them this fact: before there was any other form of television, there was the game show. Think about it.
The Inquisitive One
(By the way, if I get one of my shows taped, I'll send you a copy. :) )
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Lemme put things this way:
I have never felt embarrassed for being a game show fan. Absolutely never. After all, I came into elementary school already subtraction, addition, and multiplication from years of WoF. And when a horrible dating or reality show is on, I can easily say, \"That's just a dating show\", or \"That's just a reality show\".
I have been embrarrassed with wrestling. The first time I watched it at one friend's house happened to be in December of '97 (NWO takeover night). Try explaining to people who hold you in otherwise high regard how watching a half hour of intimidating teamsters and kicking over giant letters is supposed to be entertainment. I can't even say \"it's sports entertainment\" because, well, wrestling's in your name, dammit!
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Ehh, Guys... What exactly does all of this wrestling stuff have to do with Game Shows being a guilty pleasure?
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It all depends on the show. I was one of those lucky kids who remembers days or summers off from school watching Hugh Downs on \"Concentration\", Bud Collyer on \"To Tell The Truth\", Art Fleming on \"Jeopardy!\" and Bill Cullen on \"Eye Guess\", just to name a few. There was certainly nothing wrong with any of *those* games. The \"guilty pleasure\" problem probably didn't come into its own until Chuck Barris unleashed his first wave of shows. They had their fans, but after a couple of viewings they bored me. Just talking heads and mounting scores--no boards or other impressive hardware.
Later, prime-time sitcoms like \"The Mary Tyler Moore Show\" actually tried to make viewers question their devotion to games by making them punchlines for jokes; I'm sure it must have had something to do with Barris' shows gaining in popularity while an intellectually-stimulating game like \"J!\" was dumped in the middle of the '70s.
Then came the announcement that NBC was going to unleash David Letterman on daytime audiences at the expense of three games including the classic HS. Critics cheered and had a field day, but--despite the fact that I came to love his late-night work for NBC--I could only cringe at their barbs and I only watched his morning show occasionally and was actually pleased at the time to see the experiment backfire.
Regardless of how viewers and critics felt about games from the '60s to the '80s, I'm sure even the most cynical of them thought they looked pretty good next to what stations were giving us in daytime during the '90s. I feel sorry for today's kids who have nothing but TPIR to look forward to during summer vacations. Maybe its all they need these days, as they're probably being rushed off to soccer practice or public pools the rest of the day.
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It depends. Many people I know watch Game Shows-If I say those are my favorite shows, they try to think of their favs-mainly TPIR and Concentration are the big two.
However, I do run into the occasional person who thinks Game shows are the lowest form of televison (ironically, this person thinks \"Roseanne\" and \"ned and Stacy\" are the two greatest sitcoms ever...and I STRONGLY disagree..but I digress) At first, i was a little ashamed to be a GS fan, but now, I relish it. It's probably the cleanest form of television today.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jul 15 2003, 03:42 AM\'] Ehh, Guys... What exactly does all of this wrestling stuff have to do with Game Shows being a guilty pleasure? [/quote]
In the very first post, it was established that being a game show fan/junkie is sometimes held in the same regard as being a wrestling fan; some people might look down on either, although there are many game show and/or wrestling fans scared to admit me.
BTW, I started watching \"wrasslin' \" in summer 1998, became hooked on WWF, but they lost me when they bought out WCW and ECW. :-P
ObGameShow: The 70s \"High Rollers\" theme is Stan Worth's best work ever.
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Hmm...
Well, it's kinda funny that you mention wrestling since my roommate loved wrestling and I loved game shows. I would occasionally watch wrestling with him, and all I'd basically do is laugh, especially at the poorly-choreographed matches. He'd occasionally watch game shows with me as well, but he never said anything about it; however, he did ask me how in the world \"Bumper Stumpers\" lasted three years after he watched a few eps. with me.
Anyway, as far as being \"stereotyped,\" I was kinda looked at as a little odd especially since I'm the only one on my campus (and, yes, this is true!) who has a game show tape collection. However, I have noticed that you can always bring up a popular game show and get people talking. Not only that, but a lot of people would watch WOF with me at night.
Even with the people who walked by my dorm room and wondered why I was getting excited over a $20,000 Pyramid episode, though, they would still occasionally stop in and take a gander. So, I was always able to at least find a way to get other people at least somewhat interested in old game shows, if only for a brief moment.
So, in conclusion: I do think I'm stereotyped, but not as bad as a lot of people would think. Mainly, I just get jokes about it from my friends!
Anthony
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 05:14 PM\'] I'm embarassed to watch wrestling any more. Just recently I saw a one-legged wrestler almost kiss Vince McMahon's bare nekkid butt on WWE. That was enough of that. [/quote]
I used to like wrestling, but I don't see how anyone can stand it anymore... it's such a soap opera.
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I watch pro wrestling, too. I've always been surprised that a few here watch WWE and are game show fans (like myself), too. I guess I'm not the only one. (I've also worked in radio as an on-air talent, as well FWIW)
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[quote name=\'Grant78898\' date=\'Jul 15 2003, 10:22 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 14 2003, 05:14 PM\'] I'm embarassed to watch wrestling any more. Just recently I saw a one-legged wrestler almost kiss Vince McMahon's bare nekkid butt on WWE. That was enough of that. [/quote]
I used to like wrestling, but I don't see how anyone can stand it anymore... it's such a soap opera.[/quote]
I did stop watching recently though from the time \"WCW\" died at Survivor Series '01 until around Brock Lesnar's debut. Sometimes I wonder why many of us put up w/McMahon's formulaic offerings week after week. I know something's wrong when I'm starting to yearn for the days of squash matches every Saturday, Doink the Clown, Lex Express, and other atrocities (http://\"http://www.wrestlecrap.com/\").
On whether I think game shows are a guilty pleasure: My parents love to watch game shows and I've never received a nasty look from anyone else for liking Jeopardy and other assorted quizzers, so IMO they usually aren't. Then again, I rarely chat about the more obscure and lesser-known game shows outside the 'Net.
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ObGameShow: The 70s \"High Rollers\" theme is Stan Worth's best work ever.
No argument there...his blues-y blend of horns, drums and guitar made it one of the jazziest themes of all time!
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")