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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: Pyramid80 on July 29, 2004, 08:23:45 AM
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned this yet. Steve Beverly mentions some changes to the GSN schedule beginning August 23rd.
No new originals are being added but minor adjustments are being made to GSN's morning and weekend lineups beginning Aug. 23.
The change which will brighten the eyes of '70s-era fans is the return of the Jim Perry version of Card Sharks from 9 to 9:30 a.m. Saturdays and Sundays starting Aug. 28.
Star Search reruns move to 9 a.m. (M-F), replacing Let's Make a Deal and the early Family Feud, which both drop off the schedule.
Todd Newton's Hollywood Showdown, which Sande Stewart produced for Game Show Network and PAX in 2000-01, returns in the 10 a.m. weekday slot, replacing Wheel of Fortune, which remains as a weekend offering.
Match Game '90 with Ross Shafer goes in at 11 a.m. (M-F), followed by All New 3's a Crowd, a 2000-01 Phil Gurin Company production with Alan Thicke emceeing.
Extreme Dodgeball, which is not a favorite of traditional fans but is drawing younger viewers, receives added runs at 3 p.m. Sunday and 4 p.m. Friday.
A second run of Street Smarts goes in at 7:30 p.m. Saturdays and 5 p.m. Sundays, replacing the departing Kenny vs. Spenny.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 07:23 AM\'] I am surprised that no one has mentioned this yet. Steve Beverly mentions some changes to the GSN schedule beginning August 23rd.
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Well, that's a mix of interesting changes...to say the least...although I don't think "Star Search" is a good way to launch your day.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 07:23 AM\'] I am surprised that no one has mentioned this yet. Steve Beverly mentions some changes to the GSN schedule beginning August 23rd.
All New 3's a Crowd, a 2000-01 Phil Gurin Company production with Alan Thicke emceeing. (11:30)
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Wouldn't surprise me at all for them to dig Dirt Cruddin out of mothballs at some point if they're digging AN3AC up.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 07:23 AM\']
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The change which will brighten the eyes of '70s-era fans is the return of the Jim Perry version of Card Sharks from 9 to 9:30 a.m. Saturdays and Sundays starting Aug. 28.
This I can live with
Star Search reruns move to 9 a.m. (M-F), replacing Let's Make a Deal and the early Family Feud, which both drop off the schedule.
Hit me with the .... oh hell, just hit me! Arsenio, go back to 10-10 commercials! (If he hasn't already)
Todd Newton's Hollywood Showdown, which Sande Stewart produced for Game Show Network and PAX in 2000-01, returns in the 10 a.m. weekday slot, replacing Wheel of Fortune,
Nothing against Todd Newton or Hollywood Showdown, but.... WHY?!
Match Game '90 with Ross Shafer goes in at 11 a.m. (M-F), followed by All New 3's a Crowd, a 2000-01 Phil Gurin Company production with Alan Thicke emceeing
Well, it could be worse... could be MG 98. As for 3aC, what exactly is GSN's strategy?! What's the purpose of bringing back GSN originals that stopped production about 4 or 5 years ago, when they've already ran those shows to the ground?!
Hopefully this will be a very short phase and GSN might bring back game shows that haven't been on the schedule for a while... maybe stuff from the Barry Enright library like TJW and TTD? Basically the best thing to do is to not watch these offerings and GSN will eventually get the message and change it.
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Oh, my gosh, a weekend Card Sharks hour from 9-10 Eastern time followed by Blockbusters. Outta sight!!
It's a longshot hope, but could the return of Hollywood Showdown signal the production of new episodes of that program? Still, it's great to have that skein on the sked (that phrase is my daily tribute to Variety magazine).
Adam, this is the stuff you want for your tape collection.
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Omigod, All New 3's a Crowd is back? Well, it could be worse. Extreme Gong and Love Buffet could awaken from the dead. By far the worst move from my point of view.
Not surprising to see KvS go. When it lost the prime time slot, the clock was ticking. No regrets from me. I thought the two frozen northerners were just boring.
I've heard good things about Hollywood Showdown but never seen the show. I'll try to catch it. Mr. Sajak will be happy that WoF's exposure is cut back.
Dodgeball's added exposure is no surprise after GSN gurgled about its ratings performance in the TCA press release. Hey, Mr. Steve, I like a lot of traditional shows but I like Dodgeball, too! Just wish I was one of those "younger viewers" you're always grousing about. Lordy, the Prof can do a real convincing imitation of a grumpy old man sometimes.
People will complain about LMAD, but this has always been one of my least favorite classics. Pure dumb luck has never been my idea of an engrossing show, no matter how many costumes and zonks they used to disguise the essential randomness of the gameplay. I am not sorry at all to see it go, and I realize this is heresy.
Do not like Card Sharks at all. I've caught untold grief for this, but the much more interesting gameplay on the Blackjack shows makes the higher-lower proceedings look brainless. But at least the Jim Perry fans, so vocal around the Internet, will be happy.
Street Smarts, with the huge number of eps in the library, looks like the all-round timeslot-holder for GSN right now. I like the show so it's nice to see the added exposure, though I think it will only be temporary.
MG 90? An okay version. No strong feelings one way or the other.
Star Search keeps getting shoved to earlier and earlier timeslots. The TCA press releases didn't breathe a word about the show, so my guess is its days are numbered. When a show gets infomercials for a lead-in, the prognosis ain't great. Unless it's Perry CS, maybe.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 08:23 AM\'] ... Hollywood Showdown, which Sande Stewart produced for Game Show Network and PAX in 2000-01 ...
... All New 3's a Crowd, a 2000-01 Phil Gurin Company production with Alan Thicke emceeing... [/quote]
Who requested these additions, Randy West?
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Horrible! I was hoping GSN wouldn't mess with the classic gameshows in their morning line-up.
I'm glad to see Jim Perry's card sharks returning, though. That's my favorite version.
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Me too. Especially syndie Dawson. Of all the shows they had to take off, that had to be one of them.
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You've still got lots of Dawson Feud on the schedule. I like Feud and it's one of the all-time greats, but trimming it back is hardly a disaster. Another heresy: overall I like the Combs version better. Richard's ego is just overpowering sometimes...and the mumbles set in badly towards the end.
Come to think of it, my GSN watching has gotten more and more focused on the new stuff: Dog Eat Dog, Blackjack, Dodgeball, Street Smarts. Sure, I've watched some Feud and MG over the past few weeks. But they're starting to seem, well, old. I realize old=good for many posters, but it's nice to see some stuff that looks less frayed around the edges.
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Is Eubanks CS still on the schedule, or is it taken off?
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 12:53 PM\'] Is Eubanks CS still on the schedule, or is it taken off? [/quote]
Still there.
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Looks like Eubanks Card Sharks is still on at 9:30. I assume the Prof would have stewed about GSN dropping anything with Eubanks. Grumpy old me (I can be like the Prof, too!) doesn't like either version of CS, but I realize there are lots of fans of both.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 12:58 PM\'] Looks like Eubanks Card Sharks is still on at 9:30. [/quote]
It is my understanding that Card Sharks will be limited to the Perry version from 9:00 until 9:30, (not 9:00 and 9:30). I could be wrong, but that is how I interpret it.
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What goes into 9:30 then?
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It's Perry CS at 9:00, followed Eubanks CS at 9:30.
HTML'ed version: http://www.gameshowutopia.com/August.htm (http://\"http://www.gameshowutopia.com/August.htm\")
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That's what I thought, but Pyramid80 says Eubanks CS is gone. Really doesn't make any difference to me, and I don't think the Prof would have omitted the dropping of Eubanks. To sum up the changes best as I can figure:
GOING: Cram, LMAD, KvS
COMING: Perry CS, MG 90, Hollywood Showdown, All New 3's a Crock
My regrets are the final days of Cram and the unexplainable return of All New Yuck. My goody is a chance to see Hollywood Showdown, which seems to have been a pretty good original, though my naked eyes have never beheld it.
Looks like the schedule is going more and more towards traditional studio gamers, especially with the exit of the Canadian duo in favor of WL at night and Street Smarts during the day. The one non-trad show that GSN really seems sold on right now is Dodgeball. Well, the upcoming horseracing epic is definitely non-traditional, too.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 01:43 PM\'] It's Perry CS at 9:00, followed Eubanks CS at 9:30.
HTML'ed version: http://www.gameshowutopia.com/August.htm (http://\"http://www.gameshowutopia.com/August.htm\") [/quote]
I guess it does make sense doesn't it? For some reason I was thinking that Card Sharks was normally in the 9:00 slot but it was actually 9:30. So I guess Perry's version will replace CRAP...I meant CRAM.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 01:46 PM\'] The one non-trad show that GSN really seems sold on right now is Dodgeball. [/quote]
Blackjack...
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Nice job on the HTML schedule. But why is Dawson Feud listed in the graveyard? It's still got five showings.
Guess you'll have more work to do when the dual feed kicks in. Also, I agree that Street Smarts will take over for Next Action Star. Street Smarts seems to be the putty GSN shoves into any crack in the schedule. When you've got 640 eps, you've got a lot of putty.
And not to restart an ancient fight, but nobody's been able to explain to me why Blackjack isn't a traditional game show. The Zap2it and Comcast schedules can't see any difference, either.
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Meant to indicate it's the Syndicated version...Whoops.
Of course, GSN's got a lot more putty sitting in the vault, but heaven forbid they occasionally fill a crack with something from THERE.
Of course, what GSN shoves in their cracks is their own business :-P
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Soon as I wrote "shove" and "crack" I knew I was in trouble. But I was too lazy to change it. Anyway, I like Street Smarts more than most of the antiques, so GSN can shove all they want.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 02:05 PM\']
And not to restart an ancient fight, but nobody's been able to explain to me why Blackjack isn't a traditional game show. The Zap2it and Comcast schedules can't see any difference, either. [/quote]
To my mind, a traditional game show has an on-camera host conducting the show for both viewers and players. From what I have seen, the Card Game shows are pretty much structured in the vein of sports play-by-play, with commentators observing, rather than leading the procedings.
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What does Dave Stann do then? He runs the game, makes comments, interacts with the players. Sure, Vasgersian offers more commentary because the game is a lot more complicated than, say, Card Sharks. And Alex Boorstein gets in a (post-produced?) joke once in a long while, plus doing some contestant interviews.
Naw, still can't see any real difference. I don't think there is any real difference.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 02:24 PM\']
Naw, still can't see any real difference. I don't think there is any real difference. [/quote]
The whole thing looks like a sports broadcast, and I don't think anyone thinks a televised football or baseball game is a game show, no matter how liberal the definition.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 01:03 PM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 12:58 PM\'] Looks like Eubanks Card Sharks is still on at 9:30. [/quote]
It is my understanding that Card Sharks will be limited to the Perry version from 9:00 until 9:30, (not 9:00 and 9:30). I could be wrong, but that is how I interpret it. [/quote]
This is an understanding based on what? Where anywhere on Stosh's site or elsewhere are the words "Eubanks version yanked" or words to that affect typed?
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The whole thing looks like a sports broadcast, and I don't think anyone thinks a televised football or baseball game is a game show, no matter how liberal the definition.
Gee, we're retreading all the arguments from the GSN board. Guide Angel finally threw up her hands and requested a cease-and-desist.
But this "sports" thing really had me puzzled. What athletic skills are being tested in the "sport" of blackjack? Chip-pushing? Forehead-rubbing? Getting up from the table?
If there's anything that GSN's blackjack show DOESN'T resemble for me, it's a sport, or a sports broadcast, or a sports bar, or anything even remotely related to athletic competition.
Now Dodgeball...you're in the house with that one.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 02:42 PM\'] This is an understanding based on what? Where anywhere on Stosh's site or elsewhere are the words "Eubanks version yanked" or words to that affect typed? [/quote]
I changed my thoughts in a post about an hour ago. Sorry for any confusion.
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While it is nice to see the 1970's Card Sharks back in action, I'm afraid to say that it too is gonna be a victim of those 'right-up-to-the-end' credit crunches. Which means, we're gonna miss out on that boss theme song at the end of the show.
I wouldn't blame Jim Perry if he became crushed over this side-effect.
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Patti Deutsch of the Big Board!'
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The New.....
Hollywood Showdown: I'm surprised to see this back, but pleasantly so. Wasn't this supposed to return with new episodes in Janurary 2002 but never did? I seem to recall reading something like that.
All New 3's A Crowd: Meh. I don't really care either way.
MG90: Great! VERY nice to see this again.
Perry CS: Another show that it's very nice to see again.
The departing....
Cram: Finally...I'm glad this stinker is dead, hopefully this time for good.
Syndie Dawson FF: Again, I don't really care. If I want Feud, I'll watch the 5PM block.
Weekday WOF: Helps to cut down on the overrunning....
LMAD: Too bad this had to go, but I guess it's worth it with three good shows coming back in exchange.
Kenny vs. Spenny: Good riddance to this thing.....
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I guess I'm glad to still have the weekend line-up. There, I've gotten over it, I'm just somewhat moody in the morning.
The loss of My precious daytime line-up gives me a reason to watch the news, so that's something in my favor.
I hate the All-New Threes a Crowd. Honestly, though, I liked the original, but everyone has their guilty pleasures.
We have a wonderful addition to the weekend line-up. Is it just me, or is Perry's Card Sharks a bit more intellectual then Eubank's? To me, they seemed to ask a lot more political questions. I agree with Tammy on the "boss" theme song, it's my favorite of all-time.
I think we're going to see some older Jeopardy season, and if that's so, I'd be quite thankful. Is this the first time Jeopardy has not been paired with WoF for an hour-long block? It looks very strange on the schedule.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 12:55 PM\'] But this "sports" thing really had me puzzled. What athletic skills are being tested in the "sport" of blackjack? Chip-pushing? Forehead-rubbing? Getting up from the table? [/quote]
I can't believe I'm gonna take a stab at this, especially since it's so clear you already have your mind made up.
Nobody's calling blackjack a sport, any more than I would call Magic: The Gathering a sport. But the program is using the PARADIGM of a sports broadcast to present the event to us. It's not being presented as a game show, ergo, to my way of thinking, it isn't a game show.
Which is not to say it COULDN'T be: Put the five players behind podiums with flashy readouts to indicate the game stats that are presented on-screen on CB, play with a ginormous deck of cards, chase-lights all around, and have the host interact DIRECTLY with the players (and your suggestion that Dave Stann is the "real" host while Matt Vasgersian is just doing the heavy lifting is simply ridiculous), and you have not only a game show, but a damned fine one at that.
If they wanted it to be a game show, that's what they would do. Clearly they don't. So don't make it one.
If there's anything that GSN's blackjack show DOESN'T resemble for me, it's a sport, or a sports broadcast, or a sports bar, or anything even remotely related to athletic competition.
Then you're not looking (or, more likely, you don't want to see it), because it's right there in front of you, down to the freakin' FoxBox.
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I could consider GSN's Blackjack series to be a game show, but only in the general sense: people are playing a game, and it's a show--it's a game show (or is it more like a gaming show?). However, in the traditional sense? I don't see it that way. GSN could set it up to seem more like a traditional game show, if they wanted to, as Clemon79 noted in a previous post (add flashy lights, podiums, huge cards, a host who interacts directly with the contestants). I'd also add regular contestants (like you and me) rather than professional card players and celebs. Give us some money to gamble with, some bells and buzzers, cool game show music, a studio audience to watch the fun, and, well, it's starting to sound more like a traditional game show. Of course, the game show classic Gambit had the blackjack theme, although trivia questions were added to the fun. But we wouldn't see a blackjack show like GSN's version on the networks' daytime schedules some 30 years ago, when traditional game shows were found on daytime TV. Blackjack was around then, but I don't think it suddenly became a "traditional" game show just because it showed up as tournaments on GSN, which, of course, changed its name from Game Show Network to just GSN - the Network for Games to include not only game shows, but also casino games, talent competitions, reality series, sports contests, and dating shows. I'm not saying Blackjack is a bad show at all--I just don't see this as a traditional game show.
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[quote name=\'michaellinn\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 08:57 PM\'] it's a game show (or is it more like a gaming show?). [/quote]
That I think is my precise point, and that there _is_ a difference.
A fine first post. Welcome aboard!
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Thanks! I have been visiting these boards for a while, reading the messages, but I've finally made my first post. Thanks for the welcome, Chris.
Mike
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Now to get back on topic with this thread...
Hey, some good moves with GSN's scheduling! I haven't seen The All New Three's a Crowd (didn't have GSN then), but I have seen the '70s version. Definitely not a fave of mine. I like the classics, but I could do without this one. Anyway, I'll check out this newer version. I was never a Kenny vs. Spenny fan, so I'm not sorry to see this show go. I saw Hollywood Showdown a few times at my brother's house before I had GSN. I liked the show. A very good original, IMO--plus I like Todd Newton as a game show host. I could take or leave Let's Make a Deal. It's okay, but not "must-see" for me. I do like Jim Perry, although I would rather have GSN bring us his Sale of the Century (I know, I know, they don't have it) rather than Card Sharks. But I like Perry's version better than Bob Eubanks' version. Something about those late '70s NBC game shows that bring back those memories to me! Match Game '90 is okay, IMO. I much prefer the '70s version and its stars over the '90s show's comedians (guess I'll be seeing that guy with the dragon puppet again! Yow, LOL!) But still, not a bad revival of the show. Ross Shafer ain't no Gene Rayburn, but I don't think he's too bad of a host. Plus Charles is around for this version! That's awesome. All in all, I'm happy with these new moves. Good job, GSN!
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Whether something is a game show depends on the size of the cards and how much the lights flash? Okay, how big do the cards have to get before the magic of game-show-dom arrives? Six inches by twelve? A foot by two feet? Two feet by four?
Do the lights have to flash every second? Every five seconds? Once a minute?
I think we can all agree we're getting into very subjective opinions here, certainly nothing objectively quantifiable. My subjective opinion is that Blackjack is not just a game show, but a whole lot better game show than Card Sharks. In fact, I think it's one of the best original game shows GSN has ever programmed. Obviously, opinions will differ, and we'll just have to leave it at that.
And it's hardly "ridiculous" to suggest that Dave Stann is at least as important a host on the show as Max Vasgersian. Stann does the dealing (often with melodramatic flair), comments extensively on the play, cracks wise with the contestants, and gets considerably more camera time than Vasgersian. He certainly does much more "heavy lifting" than Alex Boorstein, who seems like a rather forlorn afterthought. Whether he lifts as much weight as Vasgersian depends on...yes, again, your subjective opinion of game show weightlifting.
By the way, an interesting article on Hollywood Dave:
http://www.clevescene.com/issues/2004-07-21/firstpunch.html (http://\"http://www.clevescene.com/issues/2004-07-21/firstpunch.html\")
As for the Fox Box on a ball game somehow reminding me of blackjack...well, I've got the Direct TV Extra Innings package, and I've honestly never been reminded of GSN's blackjack show by any of the proceedings, including the score box.
Now ball games do have lots of flashing lights, especially when somebody jacks one...
Oh, let me add my welcome to michaellinn. Discussion gets vigorous around here, as you've already seen.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:26 AM\'] but a whole lot better game show than Card Sharks. [/quote]
I've seen you mention this a few times about your dislike of CS.
With all due respect, why the dislike?
We all have game shows we dislike, but I haven't come across too many people who don't like CS.
I'm excited to see Perry CS back - it's been too long since it's been on the schedule. I also would imagine I'm one of the minority who likes MG90 - that stems from not being able to see many episodes the first time it ran (I had two ABC stations at the time, and neither of them decided to carry MG90).
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 29 2004, 07:23 AM\']
Star Search reruns move to 9 a.m. (M-F), replacing Let's Make a Deal and the early Family Feud, which both drop off the schedule.
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I'm betting the rights to air LMAD will lapse at the end of the Summer. It was at the end of SUmmer 2001 that both PYL and LMAD debuted on GSN. One wonders if PYL will vanish after August too.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 09:35 AM\'] I'm betting the rights to air LMAD will lapse at the end of the Summer. It was at the end of SUmmer 2001 that both PYL and LMAD debuted on GSN. One wonders if PYL will vanish after August too. [/quote]
You'll know this for sure....What were the GSN premiere dates of both those shows?
It was the last week of August 2001 that GSN ran their marathon for LMAD? As for PYL, I am pretty sure I remember that premiering on Saturday, September 1 on GSN.
I hope PYL doesn't disappear. I am by no means a "Tomarkenite" but I do enjoy watching the show from time to time.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:53 AM\']
It was the last week of August 2001 that GSN ran their marathon for LMAD? As for PYL, I am pretty sure I remember that premiering on Saturday, September 1 on GSN.
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Yes it was, PYL bowed on the network five days after LMAD. Now how long is their contract to air WHo Dares Wins, which also premiered the day PYL did.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:55 AM\'] [Yes it was, PYL bowed on the network five days after LMAD. Now how long is their contract to air WHo Dares Wins, which also premiered the day PYL did. [/quote]
Currently they have 20 episodes remaining in this cycle of PYL shows (if they indeed picked up 200) and those will last until mid-October at its current time slot. Theory would state that GSN is probably obligated to run each episode (at least) once, since they apparently had to do so to move to the next cycle (and subsequently ran Larson's 2 shows right before they advanced forward) so I wouldn't expect any change until then.
As for Casey, we've been down this road before, haven't we? You obviously have a much broader scope than most on what you consider a game show, most of us disagree. Leave it at that.
Tyshaun
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Now when do we get to see the B&E collection?
It's been ages since we last saw The Joker's Wild (CBS and syndicated). Or Tic Tac Dough. Or Bullseye.
The more classics that return, the better, 'cause I fear the era of game shows is fleeting. 4 game shows left (TPIR, Jeopardy!, WOF, Family Feud), 2 currently resting in their mausoleum (H2, Pyramid)...I swear, reality TV may be edgin' us out of our place on the planet, kids...
It's a good thing that GSN still has some classic GS on its schedule to begin with; it may be the one good quality it has left.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 05:26 AM\'] Whether something is a game show depends on the size of the cards and how much the lights flash? Okay, how big do the cards have to get before the magic of game-show-dom arrives? Six inches by twelve? A foot by two feet? Two feet by four?
As for the Fox Box on a ball game somehow reminding me of blackjack...well, I've got the Direct TV Extra Innings package, and I've honestly never been reminded of GSN's blackjack show by any of the proceedings, including the score box.
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Between these two statements, it is completely clear that you either completely missed my point, or don't want to see it for fear of possibly having to concede it.
Totally hopeless.
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 11:52 AM\'] The more classics that return, the better, 'cause I fear the era of game shows is fleeting. 4 game shows left (TPIR, Jeopardy!, WOF, Family Feud), 2 currently resting in their mausoleum (H2, Pyramid)...I swear, reality TV may be edgin' us out of our place on the planet, kids... [/quote]
These things are cyclical, IMO. Game shows were the big thing, then they weren't... then a few years ago they were again, and now they aren't. When the cycle will favor game shows once again is anyone's guess, but it will eventually.
My prediction: reality TV will fall out of favor when a network executive gets fired for trying to launch Who Wants to Scratch My Ass. At that point the show will move to GSN, which will immediately give it a 39-week order, prompting the inhabitants of this board to argue whether WWTSMA is a game show, a gaming show, a gameumentary, or a sport.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 11:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 11:52 AM\'] The more classics that return, the better, 'cause I fear the era of game shows is fleeting. 4 game shows left (TPIR, Jeopardy!, WOF, Family Feud), 2 currently resting in their mausoleum (H2, Pyramid)...I swear, reality TV may be edgin' us out of our place on the planet, kids... [/quote]
These things are cyclical, IMO. Game shows were the big thing, then they weren't... then a few years ago they were again, and now they aren't. When the cycle will favor game shows once again is anyone's guess, but it will eventually.
My prediction: reality TV will fall out of favor when a network executive gets fired for trying to launch Who Wants to Scratch My Ass. At that point the show will move to GSN, which will immediately give it a 39-week order, prompting the inhabitants of this board to argue whether WWTSMA is a game show, a gaming show, a gameumentary, or a sport. [/quote]
There are more then 4 game shows going. You have Street Smarts, Millionaire, and Pax'x two new offerings. Not to mention the What the Blank pilot that may turn into a series we hope.
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With all due respect, why the dislike? [Of CS]
Fair enough. I just find the game too simple. Higher, lower, higher, lower...
Just not my cuppa. But as I said before, the show has lots of fans. Matter of opinion. I liked Cram, and lots of folks couldn't stand it.
As for Casey, we've been down this road before, haven't we? You obviously have a much broader scope than most on what you consider a game show, most of us disagree. Leave it at that.
Fair enough again. But I don't necessarily know that my definition is all that wide all the time. On another thread a poster commented that the ancient Home Run Derby show is listed in the Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows. That's getting a little too broad, IMO. We really are toppling over into the sports world there.
Not that I didn't like Home Run Derby when ESPN Classic rustled up some of the aged episodes. Chris Lambert talks about the Derb on his sports game show page:
http://www.chris-lambert.com/SPORTS/Bench.html (http://\"http://www.chris-lambert.com/SPORTS/Bench.html\")
Did Canseco's victory in the revival prompt a roids investigation (wink)?
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 10:52 AM\'] Now when do we get to see the B&E collection?
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NEVER. Bwahhahahahaha!
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 07:26 AM\']Oh, let me add my welcome to michaellinn. Discussion gets vigorous around here, as you've already seen.[/quote]
Thanks for the welcome, CaseyAbell. Yes, I have seen vigorous discussions around here, and it's cool. Even though I may debate, I still want to be friendly, and I know there are many intelligent people who post here who have their own opinions on things. I respect them. And sometimes we just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. There IS one thing we CAN agree on: we enjoy game shows, whether they be considered traditional or not. If this were a music forum, we'd have some people posting their love for heavy metal and hating opera--and vice versa. Two very different types of music, but still music. I guess the same can be said for game shows in general nowadays, with so many different kinds out there.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 01:05 PM\']
With all due respect, why the dislike? [Of CS]
Fair enough. I just find the game too simple. Higher, lower, higher, lower...
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I, too, thought the format of the "higher or lower" business on Card Sharks was rather simple. I'd rather see 'em play poker with those cards! But I still enjoy watching the game, especially Perry's version, as it brings back memories of those late '70s game shows when I was a young teen. Okay, I'll admit it: I'm in the over-30 crowd (wow, did I just type that?). I think I enjoyed watching Card Sharks more back then than I do now, but still enjoyable for me.
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The thing that I always liked about "CS" the most was the polling questions, and that remains the thing I like the most about it, but I did like it more seeing it again the first few years after I got GSN than I did the first time around.
As I've stated before, in my mind the B&E shows just don't hold up, between the cornball host banter, the ridiculously easy questions, what comes across now as tacky production and those damn beat-the-bad-guy end games. "TJW" and "TTD" in themselves are solid formats--I'd just rather see them in new guises with stronger end games than go back to Jack Barry's mumblemouth and Wink's cluelessness (or, "if I repeat bits of the question enough when someone gets it right, they'll think I actually know something!").
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Card Sharks, IMO, was a solid game that you could jump in and out of without missing too much. Plus, the fast paced hosting style of Jim Perry added to the tension. OTOH, Bob Eubanks' version was WAY too slow-paced, and eventually they seemed to forget what show they were doing, Mindreaders or CS.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 06:21 PM\'] Card Sharks, IMO, was a solid game that you could jump in and out of without missing too much. Plus, the fast paced hosting style of Jim Perry added to the tension. OTOH, Bob Eubanks' version was WAY too slow-paced, and eventually they seemed to forget what show they were doing, Mindreaders or CS.
Tyshaun [/quote]
Jim Perry had a great, dramatic yet friendly hosting style which carried over beautifully to $ale of the Century. During the final 15 months of $otC when Don Morrow took over in the announcing booth, I loved every inch of that show as the best dramatic host and dramatic announcer in the business had a presence on that show.
When Eubanks hosted Card Sharks--as much as I like and respect Bob--he was a supreme goofball on that show and I couldn't stand it. Plus, I think the music on the late 80s version was God-awful. We went from that Double Dare theme which, as the Tamster perfectfully stated, was "boss" to that piece of garbage. I can't believe that was approved for the theme music. What trash.
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I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great
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I have to agree with the comments made on Card Sharks. Although I don't dislike the show, and I still watch it if I'm awake and in my room when it's on GSN, I do think it's overrated, and probably my least favorite of the G-T shows I've seen. I think the gameplay is too simple, luck-based, and predictable. The survey questions can be interesting (especially when they bring in the groups of 10 people who have something in common), but I think a lot of the contestants are obnoxious. I look forward to seeing the Perry version - judging by what I've read, I think I might like that one better. I also agree about the Perry-era theme being much better, although I do like that they used TPIR car cues on the Eubanks version.
As for GSN's new schedule: Am I the only one who thinks it would've made more sense to put Perry Card Sharks on weekdays and Match Game 90 on weekends, instead of the other way around?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:59 PM\'] I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great [/quote]
Actually, Eubanks seemed to like to prod and make fun of his contestants (carrying over from the Newlywed Game), and what's worse, once again IMO, he seemed not to care about the game he was hosting! In addition, the theme seemed out of place on the show (which is why it was revised 2 times in the first 9 months). Overall, while I liked the '80's Card Sharks when I was younger, it's a show that has not aged well over the years.
Tyshaun
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The one problem I had with Eubanks CS is that contestants had a propensity for not knowing when to freeze. With no incentive like a $500 bonus for running the board (like in the late stages of the Perry version), more often than not contestants would actually call the next card with a 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 showing (and more than one card turned over). And more often than not, they'd be wrong and have to go back to the base card (and end up losing the game).
I did like the wrinkle of the 10 members of a group being polled--I thought that was a good way to vary the questions.
But I'm biased--I prefer the Perry version (NBC games just appealed to me more for the most part--yes, there were exceptions).
Doug
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:59 PM\'] I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great [/quote]
The variance of opinions is great.
I thought Bob was a jerk 95% of the time he hosted Card Sharks, seemed phony; and acted like it was just another paycheck.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 01:02 AM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:59 PM\'] I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great [/quote]
The variance of opinions is great.
I thought Bob was a jerk 95% of the time he hosted Card Sharks, seemed phony; and acted like it was just another paycheck. [/quote]
IIRC, Bob had mentioned in a Steve Beverly interview that Card Sharks was one of his favorite shows that he hosted.
When I met him briefly at Game show week at H2, I had mentioned that I really enjoyed him hosting Card Sharks. He said thanks and it was one of his favorites too.
Unless he was lying.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 06:45 AM\'] When I met him briefly at Game show week at H2, I had mentioned that I really enjoyed him hosting Card Sharks. He said thanks and it was one of his favorites too.
Unless he was lying. [/quote]
I have no doubt that Bob enjoyed doing the show. I just did not at all care for his hosting style. I liked him much better when he was mostly all-business like on Trivia Trap. He just seemed to try way to hard on Card Sharks. On the other hand, Bill Rafferty--truly, a very funny man--was terrific on the syndicated version. Hope GSN gets around to showing those some time again soon.
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[quote name=\'FeudDude\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 07:55 PM\'] but I think a lot of the contestants are obnoxious. [/quote]
That was the main reason I never watched CS. The contestants were obviously coached to give long explanations of their answers ("Jim, I think the American Woman is so busy, like they say 'you've come a long way baby', and have I mentioned the E.R.A. ... anyway, I'll say that fewer than 43% of women clean their toilets more than once a week!) and were pretty hyped up when it came time to actually turn the cards.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 01:12 PM\'] That was the main reason I never watched CS. The contestants were obviously coached to give long explanations of their answers ("Jim, I think the American Woman is so busy, like they say 'you've come a long way baby', and have I mentioned the E.R.A. ... anyway, I'll say that fewer than 43% of women clean their toilets more than once a week!) and were pretty hyped up when it came time to actually turn the cards. [/quote]
That's the only part of CS I don't like...The long-winded explanations of why they picked 37 out of a 100 or why they went higher or lower.....
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 09:14 PM\'] Tyshaun [/QUOTE]
Jim Perry had a great, dramatic yet friendly hosting style which carried over beautifully to $ale of the Century. [/quote]
From what I understand, I believe Randy Amasia was the one who mentioned this on ATGS some years back, the only reason why Jim was unable to host Card Sharks when it returned was because he was already committed to $OTC. Does anyone else know if he was considered for the hosting gig? It would be interesting to see how different the show would have been had he hosted it. I agree with the others who feel that Bob Eubanks was a jerk. I know the accounts of Kelly Rudiger state otherwise, but from what I saw of him on the show, it seemed like he was constantly putting down contestants at their expense. I only watched the show because I always liked Card Sharks, not because I cared for Bob Eubanks. I guess John Davidson could have hosted it and I still would have watched it.
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Well, since $ale predated and outlasted CBS CS, it's improbable that Jim would have even been considered for the revival.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 01:10 PM\'] Well, since $ale predated and outlasted CBS CS, it's improbable that Jim would have even been considered for the revival. [/quote]
Predated, yes. Outlasted, no (CS left one week after $otC did). On the other hand, $otC ran longer, which I guess does construe "outlasted."
Doug
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I'll fess up and say I made a mistake, but wouldn't it have been interesting if Jim would have replaced Bob for that last week.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 01:10 PM\'] Well, since $ale predated and outlasted CBS CS, it's improbable that Jim would have even been considered for the revival. [/quote]
I suspect Goodson could have offered him the hosting gig for the syndie version, once it was known nighttime $otC wouldn't be renewed for that season. Whether Jim was considered is up for speculation.
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I can't belive all the put downs with Eubanks version of CS! Would you rather have GSN pick up CS '01? Now that version WAS garbage.I guess the only thing I hated about Bob's version was the second car bonus game. At least you think they would have gotten better cars by then.
BTW very happy to see Perry's version back!
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[quote name=\'JerrysFeudinAgain\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 09:18 PM\'] I can't belive all the put downs with Eubanks version of CS! [/quote]
Too bad. I'll say it again: He was a jerk--just watch the finale.
Would you rather have GSN pick up CS '01?
Yes, out of sheer curiosity.
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I've seen Bob's last CS. I know he blubber like an baby at the end.I guess the wise-crackin' was a bit much through.
Too bad Trivia Trap was doomed. I like Bob best on this show.
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I've seen Bob's last CS. I know he blubber like an baby at the end.I guess the wise-crackin' was a bit much through.
Too bad Trivia Trap was doomed. I like Bob best on this show.
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I've seen Eubanks' CS. While I like both themes, I dislike both hosts styles. Jim was too into the game and wasn't really talkative with contestants, Bob was the inverse of that: He talked WAY too much. While I do agree the Educated Guess questions were a good twist, the "panel of ten" questions took WAY too much game time out of it.
The set looked awful bare, paled in comparison to CS78's much better set. and I still dislike both car games. Why go from something slightly related to cards to ripping off a bonus game from a PREVIOUS Goodson show? that makes little sense. What was wrong with a car game that's like the main game and Money Cards?
But, I digress. I never saw a Rafferty-era CS (although, from what I've heard, he's kind of a mish-mash of both Perry and Eubanks), and thank god I've never seen an ep of the 2001 revival.
Overall, CS86 needed some improvements to really be better. CS78 is better in numerous ways.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 11:59 PM\']
I'll say it again: He was a jerk--just watch the finale.
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How does crying at the end of the final show make the guy a jerk?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 1 2004, 10:11 AM\'] [quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 11:59 PM\']
I'll say it again: He was a jerk--just watch the finale.
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How does crying at the end of the final show make the guy a jerk? [/quote]
He never said it did. I'll bet you preferred Jim Caldwell to the Winker on Tic Tac Dough.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 1 2004, 10:11 AM\'] [quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 11:59 PM\']
I'll say it again: He was a jerk--just watch the finale.
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How does crying at the end of the final show make the guy a jerk? [/quote]
I think what Dsmith is saying is that Bob was extremely sarcastic and biting on the finale, just like with all the other episodes. To be honest, I liked CS86 the game, Bob was take-it-or-leave-it, I can see why folks found him to be a jerk. Instead of making the game fun for contestants, he liked to rag on them instead.
That being said, I'm cool with Perry CS coming back, but I kinda find it overrated on this board. The car game offered a little more variety to a repetitive game. Of course, I'd still watch Perry's version, esp. when I have that recurring nightmare that CS01 was really an actual series. ;-)
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I've already said that I'm glad Perry CS is coming back...but I never thought Eubanks was bad either.
-I thought the set for Eubanks CS was always better...why? I thought the lack of those cards at the turntable (which, IMHO were a bit garish), and when the turntable changed, it didn't shake like the Perry set's did.
-I know this is sacreliege, but I really have never been a fan of the CS 78 theme. It sounds so...70's. The 86 theme to me sounded more mainstream.
-Even if Bob was a bit of a jerk sometimes, I also liked the models in his version better-especially Susannah!
-I thought the 10-person questions and educated guesses were a nice twist to the format, which helped cut the monotony of the gameplay.
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Bob or Jim who's the best?
Can we please give it a rest!
Onnnnnnnnnnnnnn Card Sharks!
<dunking>
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Why can't this board agree?
Jim and Bob gives away the money!
Onnnnnnnnnnnnn Card Sharks!
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[quote name=\'JerrysFeudinAgain\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 04:31 AM\'] <dunking> [/quote]
[throws donuts at Jerry]
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*Bruce Forsyth* was better. There. :)
Seriously, I personally feel that Eubanks got the job for the revival indirectly because Bruce's UK version played the game more for laughs than the Perry version. MGP wanted the revival to reflect this and brought in Eubanks, who has a reputation for getting laughs out of oridinary people. Rafterty was also known as a comedic host who would work with contestants and get laughs, so he was an obvious choice for the syndie version.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 03:57 PM\'] Rafferty was also known as a comedic host who would work with contestants and get laughs, so he was an obvious choice for the syndie version. [/quote]
And in his case, it worked. Too bad the clearances and ratings weren't there.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 03:57 PM\'] Seriously, I personally feel that Eubanks got the job for the revival indirectly because Bruce's UK version played the game more for laughs than the Perry version. [/quote]
Wasn't it rumored that he wanted to bring Bruce to the states to host this; but Bruce hosted "Hot Streak" instead?
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:31 AM\'] We all have game shows we dislike, but I haven't come across too many people who don't like CS.
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Straight from my website...a review:
Personalities: Jim Perry’s hosting style is perfect for the show. He seems to be able to create suspense when flipping the cards. Models do little more than stand there, and hand the host cards. Total points: 27/30
Game format: A game of basically luck, which I have never really cared for. And the survey part of the game really seemed irrelevant except to determine who got control. . Total points: 14/30
Set/Music: The music is now classic among fans of TV themes. Nice audience-participation with the “clap” pattern in the opening. The set is a totally different story. It looks like it was constructed in a hour, and could topple over at a moment’s notice. Total points: 11/20
Prizes: A $28,800 maximum win in the bonus round could be done-which it was-if you were lucky enough. The $200 win in the bonus game was awful tiny though. Towards the end of the run, they added bonuses as a last-ditch effort to “save” the show. Total points: 7/10
Playibility: Very easy to yell out “Higher” or “Lower”, with the contestant predicting the cards. Total points: 10/10
My notes-Sorry, I never really have seen the compelling factor in this show.
Grand total: 69/100-D+
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Game format: A game of basically luck, which I have never really cared for. And the survey part of the game really seemed irrelevant except to determine who got control. . Total points: 14/30
True, there is a lot of luck involved, but there also is a certain amount of skill....or maybe we should say common sense. If you freeze at the right times and force your opponent to play in tough situations, then you can still end up winning even if the cards might have been against you. In other words, you call a couple of cards right and have a 5 or 6 showing, Freeze immediately rather than gambling. If your opponent gains control on the last question, they'll have a tough time deciding whether to pass or not if you have only one or two cards to go and they have four. I've seen people in this situation decide to play, and end up losing because it's tough to call four in a row.
For the record, I preferred Eubanks' version of the show. As for Eubanks himself, most of the accounts I've read of him indicate he was actually one of the nicest hosts. I know he sometimes came across as a jerk on "Newlywed Game", but that was all part of the "act" for that show. I thought he was OK on "Card Sharks".