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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: Timsterino on June 13, 2004, 09:14:07 PM
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From reading tvgameshows.net these past few days, Steve has hinted that the license GSN has for the Goodson-Todman library is close to expiring. Do you think the "new" GSN will renew the license? I do not think they will. Your thoughts?
Tim :-)
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Jun 13 2004, 08:14 PM\'] From reading tvgameshows.net these past few days, Steve has hinted that the license GSN has for the Goodson-Todman library is close to expiring. Do you think the "new" GSN will renew the license? I do not think they will. Your thoughts?
Tim :-) [/quote]
I suspect they MIGHT try to keep Feud and Match Game, but it'll be so long Blockbusters, Card SHarks, and the B&W shows if the GT library is not fully renewed.
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I would take that with a grain of salt...because the last time he said that, it was due to expire in Fall of 2002. Does he have a month/day?
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I think they will renew. They haven't shown the full run of 2FTM yet.
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I could have sworn the Perfesser said a year or two ago someone from GSN told him they renewed the library.
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[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Jun 13 2004, 10:57 PM\'] I could have sworn the Perfesser said a year or two ago someone from GSN told him they renewed the library. [/quote]
Well, you realize that renewal MIGHT have been for just...oh, I don't know, maybe a year or two?
Seriously, it might be time for us to stop thinking about "The Goodson-Todman Library" as this one great big thing. At some point, the "new" GSN won't have much use for anything except the evergreens like Match Game and Family Feud. Why pay more for a package that includes What's Going On? and Judge For Yourself?
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If this is true...
Perhaps. But I wouldn't be completely surprised if GSN to tries to swing a deal Fremantle to get the rights for only Feud and MG out of the library, as stated my many in this post before. I would think, considering the direction that the network is going, that GSN would be looking for more slots on the schedule to air/re-air more game-related programming.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 02:02 AM\'] If this is true...
Perhaps. But I wouldn't be completely surprised if GSN to tries to swing a deal Fremantle to get the rights for only Feud and MG out of the library, as stated my many in this post before. I would think, considering the direction that the network is going, that GSN would be looking for more slots on the schedule to air/re-air more game-related programming. [/quote]
If they do that, I suspect they might be getting 200 episodes at a time of each show like they have with other recent acquisitions.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jun 13 2004, 10:15 PM\'] [quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Jun 13 2004, 10:57 PM\'] I could have sworn the Perfesser said a year or two ago someone from GSN told him they renewed the library. [/quote]
Well, you realize that renewal MIGHT have been for just...oh, I don't know, maybe a year or two?
Seriously, it might be time for us to stop thinking about "The Goodson-Todman Library" as this one great big thing. At some point, the "new" GSN won't have much use for anything except the evergreens like Match Game and Family Feud. Why pay more for a package that includes What's Going On? and Judge For Yourself? [/quote]
With the new GSN getting away from traditional game shows, Goodson's "That's My Line" might be a good fit.
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Doing a google groups search reveals that GSN has renewed the library every 2 years since 1998.
My hunch is they will negotiate for the same package they did in 2002.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 06:08 PM\'] Doing a google groups search reveals that GSN has renewed the library every 2 years since 1998.
My hunch is they will negotiate for the same package they did in 2002. [/quote]
Which was..........?
Tyshaun
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GSN,Couldn't make it without the GT library ,and if they have any brains they'll realize just how true that is!
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IIRC, and I can't find anything on Google or the GSN message board to back this up, Feud & Match Game were renewed in a separate deal.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 06:43 PM\'] IIRC, and I can't find anything on Google or the GSN message board to back this up, Feud & Match Game were renewed in a separate deal. [/quote]
When was that? AFAIK, Fremantle has always had the GT package in 2 different sets. One included Feud 94 and TPiR while the other package included everything else.
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[quote name=\'TV Favorites\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 08:12 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 06:43 PM\'] IIRC, and I can't find anything on Google or the GSN message board to back this up, Feud & Match Game were renewed in a separate deal. [/quote]
When was that? AFAIK, Fremantle has always had the GT package in 2 different sets. One included Feud 94 and TPiR while the other package included everything else. [/quote]
I believe it was the 2002 renewal.
I'm trying to remember vaguely what Beverly posted at the time.
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I don't think so...if that was the case, why are Blockbusters, Card Sharks, and the B&W Classics still on the schedule? From what I heard, GSN renewed GT package in 2002 for all the shows.
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[quote name=\'kirkmorgan\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 04:22 PM\'] GSN,Couldn't make it without the GT library ,and if they have any brains they'll realize just how true that is! [/quote]
Wow.
Perhaps you've noticed that the only G/T shows of any renoin among Joe Average they air now are MG and FF. (Sorry, overnight folks, but you and I both know that they could cancel that block and the effect would be completely negligible on their overall viewership.). They could VERY EASILY lose the G/T library, fill in the blanks with a few reality shows (although I question paying ANY coin for Next Action Star when it hasn't even aired in FIRST RUN yet), and the average viewer wouldn't notice.
(An aside: I _was_ excited about Extreme Dodgeball. Then this morning I found out Jerri "Jerribitch" Manthey of Survivor fame was the host. I found this out because she was doing a phoner with the local morning radio crew I listen to. So I switched to Howard Stern. Through the miracle of tape delay, Jerri Manthey was on with Howard pimping Extreme Dodgeball.
It was an unpleasant ride to work this morning.)
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If I were running GSN, I would renew the G-T library, but only schedule MG, FF and maybe CS in the daytime. Meanwhile in my office, my secretary would hold all calls while I watch NYSI, BTC and the rest via intraoffice closed circuit. I'll just tell Liberty and Sony I'm "reviewing possible additions." To keep my job, primetime would be reserved for the Dodgeballs, Blackjacks and Kenny v. Spennys and other potential ratings grabbers.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 09:02 PM\'] (An aside: I _was_ excited about Extreme Dodgeball. Then this morning I found out Jerri "Jerribitch" Manthey of Survivor fame was the host. ... [/quote]
Actually, Jerri is the sideline reporter, like Michele Tafoya is at the NBA Finals and will be to Monday Night Football next season. (Yes, Lemon, they replaced Lisa Guerrero. Some good came out of today after all.) Personally, I think of Extreme Dodgeball as a sign of the apocalypse, Jerri or no Jerri. Of course, we all watched World Series of Blackjack in spite of Matt Vasgersian.
ObDodgeball: The GSN show is one thing, but there's a movie about dodgeball coming out this weekend. Trends like network dramas set in Las Vegas and newsmagazines changing their titles I can justify, but dodgeball?! Are those flying pigs I see in the distance?
MoreObApocalypse: William Hung's new video also debuts Tuesday night.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 09:55 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 09:02 PM\'] (An aside: I _was_ excited about Extreme Dodgeball. Then this morning I found out Jerri "Jerribitch" Manthey of Survivor fame was the host. ... [/quote]
Actually, Jerri is the sideline reporter, like Michele Tafoya is at the NBA Finals and will be to Monday Night Football next season. (Yes, Lemon, they replaced Lisa Guerrero. Some good came out of today after all.) Personally, I think of Extreme Dodgeball as a sign of the apocalypse, Jerri or no Jerri. Of course, we all watched World Series of Blackjack in spite of Matt Vasgersian.
ObDodgeball: The GSN show is one thing, but there's a movie about dodgeball coming out this weekend. Trends like network dramas set in Las Vegas and newsmagazines changing their titles I can justify, but dodgeball?! Are those flying pigs I see in the distance?
MoreObApocalypse: William Hung's new video also debuts Tuesday night. [/quote]
I lost all faith in entertainment when "From Justin to Kelly" was released in the theaters.
ObGameShow: American Idol is produced by Fremantle...the bastards.
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Is anyone else HOPING GSN -- or "BSN" as I call it -- goes bankrupt beisdes me?
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[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 11:13 PM\'] Is anyone else HOPING GSN -- or "BSN" as I call it -- goes bankrupt beisdes me? [/quote]
No, and if you had any sense, you wouldn't either. The implications to the cable field and the chances of you ever seeing similar programming to what GSN used to air are FAR worse if the channel outright dies than they are if it survives in its current form.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 01:46 AM\'] [quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 11:13 PM\'] Is anyone else HOPING GSN -- or "BSN" as I call it -- goes bankrupt beisdes me? [/quote]
No, and if you had any sense, you wouldn't either. The implications to the cable field and the chances of you ever seeing similar programming to what GSN used to air are FAR worse if the channel outright dies than they are if it survives in its current form. [/quote]
I see the dilemma with GSN as somewhat similar to the situation with AMC (formerly American Movie Classics). I used to really like that channel because I am a fan of movies of the '30's and '40's and they used to show them commercial free. The movies shown now are as recent as 2000 and they are interrupted by commercials. While the ratings are presumably higher, it's not what I want to watch, so why root for them to take that path? Thankfully, there are other options for old movies, but I don't expect to ever see a DVD box set for NYSI.
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[quote name=\'TV Favorites\' date=\'Jun 14 2004, 08:25 PM\'] I don't think so...if that was the case, why are Blockbusters, Card Sharks, and the B&W Classics still on the schedule? From what I heard, GSN renewed GT package in 2002 for all the shows. [/quote]
Maybe I'm thinking of MG & Feud in one deal and the rest of the library in another deal? (since one group would be played more than the other).
Will be interesting to see what they do this year, if in fact that is the renewal.
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It will be really sad to let the Goodson-Todman library expire. There are so many great shows that are in that package. But if they aren't being aired why renew the whole thing.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 07:51 AM\'] It will be really sad to let the Goodson-Todman library expire. There are so many great shows that are in that package. But if they aren't being aired why renew the whole thing. [/quote]
Maybe Fremantle says it's all or nothing.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 08:40 AM\'] [quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 07:51 AM\'] It will be really sad to let the Goodson-Todman library expire. There are so many great shows that are in that package. But if they aren't being aired why renew the whole thing. [/quote]
Maybe Fremantle says it's all or nothing. [/quote]
Then Fremantle is turning down good money for no good reason.
Let's face it, there are very few channels out there who would even consider airing the G-T library. I don't even know of any that were ever in competition for it. So, it just doesn't make sense to me for Fremantle to say to GSN, "No thanks, we don't want your money"
I think it's more likely than GSN doesn't want it anymore. I think if the price is right, then GSN wants it. If it isn't, they'll move on and find other shows to acquire.
(I'm sure they'd love to have the Survivor package)
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 08:08 AM\'] Then Fremantle is turning down good money for no good reason.
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I'll assume you don't know the actual sales figures. What's "good money"?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 09:48 AM\'] [quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 08:08 AM\'] Then Fremantle is turning down good money for no good reason.
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I'll assume you don't know the actual sales figures. What's "good money"? [/quote]
Good money is money that they wouldn't otherwise have.
Like I said, if GSN doesn't pick up the package, it's likely no one else will. This isn't like earlier negotiations with GSN where it was absolutely essential to the network's survival that they reach an agreement for all these shows. Since the GSN rebranding and the shift in focus, the priority for making this deal is lower and lower on the totem pole for GSN. Fremantle knows this and if they make any unreasonable demands, then GSN might just walk away.
So, basically, any money Fremantle can get for the package is free money. The games have already long ago made their money back. It's all pure profit at this point, isn't it?
Of course I have no sales figures, like most people here, this is all speculation. But I'd hope it's intelligent speculation.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 12:25 AM\'] While the ratings are presumably higher, it's not what I want to watch, so why root for them to take that path? [/quote]
Because if they outright fail, you know what someone is gonna say when the idea of an AMC2 is floated in the future?
"AMC tanked, why should we throw good money after bad?"
Not that I'm saying the idea for a GSN2 will ever crop up. But say that Viacom gets a wad in their britches to open up shop on RealityTV, with None Other Than Survivor as the anchor show. Maybe THEY might extend the definition of "reality" to "game shows" (as "game shows" have extended the definition to "reality") and pick up some TPiR to show in the off hours.
All utter conjecture, of course. But why lower the odds with evil thoughts?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 10:27 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 12:25 AM\'] While the ratings are presumably higher, it's not what I want to watch, so why root for them to take that path? [/quote]
Because if they outright fail, you know what someone is gonna say when the idea of an AMC2 is floated in the future?
"AMC tanked, why should we throw good money after bad?"[/quote]
In a way, WE *is* AMC2, since it was originally the spinoff channel Romance Classics.
AMC has also floated around as possible spinoff channels American Pop (built around 50s and 60s movies and TV) and an all-classics channel that was announced as under consideration when the rebranding was first announced (but has yet to take fruition). Something tells me that at this point Rainbow's more interested in seeing what paths HD and video-on-demand are going to take before putting out any more possible channels.
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Rainbow is too busy managing the money pit called VOOM- the HD-centric satellite service to do anything new for anyone but them. They launched all these proprietary HD channels they now have to support with content.
Word is that they want to spinoff VOOM as soon as possible which isn't surprising since it's been a huge money loser for them so far.
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jun 15 2004, 08:08 AM\']I think if the price is right, then GSN wants it.[/quote]
No pun intended, of course.
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And there are also stacks and stacks, and stacks of episodes of several other classic game shows---oldies-but-goodies like Tic Tac Dough, The Joker's Wild, Bullseye, The $20,000 Pyramid, The New $25,000 Pyramid, The Dating Game, and The Gong Show---just sitting idle in GSNŽ's vaults gathering dust, begging to be shown again.
Given GSNŽ's current direction in programming, they may never get the chance.
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jun 22 2004, 05:36 PM\'] And there are also stacks and stacks, and stacks of episodes of several other classic game shows---oldies-but-goodies like Tic Tac Dough, The Joker's Wild, Bullseye, The $20,000 Pyramid, The New $25,000 Pyramid, The Dating Game, and The Gong Show---just sitting idle in GSNŽ's vaults gathering dust, begging to be shown again.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a hurdle with showing "Gong Show" again the music clearances?
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Jun 22 2004, 04:43 PM\'] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a hurdle with showing "Gong Show" again the music clearances? [/quote]
Correct, and there are similar issues with the 1970's run of "Treasure Hunt".
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see the dilemma with GSN as somewhat similar to the situation with AMC (formerly American Movie Classics). I used to really like that channel because I am a fan of movies of the '30's and '40's and they used to show them commercial free. The movies shown now are as recent as 2000 and they are interrupted by commercials. While the ratings are presumably higher, it's not what I want to watch, so why root for them to take that path?
You can take out "presumably." AMC's ratings have improved sharply since they started showing more recent movies. From Berman's Mediaweek column for June 3:
"AMC Reaches a New Zenith:
Based on ratings in May, cable network AMC posted its best primetime delivery ever in households (655,000), adults 18-49 (303,000), and adults 25-54 (365,000). Since re-branding, season-to-date household ratings in primetime for AMC are up 15 percent year-to-year."
According to Variety GSN's prime time viewers were also up 28% in May, 2004 over May, 2003.
I agree with Chris Lemon (sure sign of the apocalypse) that rooting for GSN to fail is idiotic for any game show fan. What other network anywhere in the teevee universe shows nearly as many grown-up game shows? I'm happy the network is doing much better in the ratings this year than last. For most of last year GSN really was in deep Nielsen doodoo.
By the way, I saw an interesting story on CableWorld about how hard it is to launch new cable networks:
http://www.cableworld.com/cgi/cw/show_mag....newnetworks.htm (http://\"http://www.cableworld.com/cgi/cw/show_mag.cgi?pub=cw&mon=062104&file=attentionnewnetworks.htm\")
Technology will probably break the bottleneck sooner or later. But for now GSN2 sounds like a pipe dream of mega-dreamy proportions.
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[quote name=\'RMF\' date=\'Jun 22 2004, 10:21 PM\'] [quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Jun 22 2004, 04:43 PM\'] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a hurdle with showing "Gong Show" again the music clearances? [/quote]
Correct, and there are similar issues with the 1970's run of "Treasure Hunt". [/quote]
I realize that for the most part GSN's ratings at the time were "less than a width of a Wheaties flake," but you could make the argument that had ratings been stronger for GONG when GSN was running the series every weekday that reupping the licenses would've been a formality. As it was they were able to clear about half of the episodes in the NBC run for air. It is only my opinion that GONG wasn't taken off because of the clearance issues, but because management felt that they needed to bring in something "better." I could be way off base here, of course.
Doug
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I don't want the new GSN to fail, but it's a little like wanting USA and FAM to succeed just because they also used to show a lot of game shows, or embracing Spike TV because of "Fandango" and "Top Card." High ratings on Spike is not gonna lead them to bring back "10 Seconds."
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As it was they were able to clear about half of the episodes in the NBC run for air. It is only my opinion that GONG wasn't taken off because of the clearance issues, but because management felt that they needed to bring in something "better." I could be way off base here, of course.
If I'm not mistaken, *most* of the "Gong" episodes that were cleared, GSN ran only once. It's possible they only got clearances for one airing.
Also, "Gong" debuted on GSN during what some people refer to as "The Dark Period". When the G-T shows came back in April 1998, "Gong" had a much lower profile, and IIRC was totally gone a few months later.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jun 24 2004, 09:58 AM\'] If I'm not mistaken, *most* of the "Gong" episodes that were cleared, GSN ran only once. It's possible they only got clearances for one airing.
Also, "Gong" debuted on GSN during what some people refer to as "The Dark Period". When the G-T shows came back in April 1998, "Gong" had a much lower profile, and IIRC was totally gone a few months later. [/quote]
Great point about the Dark Period regarding GONG.
When I got GSN in June 1998 (which would be two months after the Dark Period ended), the first GONG episode that I saw had aired on NBC originally in May 1977. By April 1999, they had gotten to that episode again, and were in early April 1978 when GSN pulled the plug in October (only showing five different episodes a week--the weekend showings were reairs from earlier in the week). So I think it's safe to say that most of the cleared episodes ran twice (and a few may have even been run three times [those airings before I got GSN], not counting episodes aired in subsequent marathons).
I also know that clips from the 1978-79 syndie season (the audience reaction effects are the giveaway between what aired on NBC daytime and what aired in syndication) wound up on AS SEEN ON, but none of those eps ever aired on GSN in their entirety.
Doug
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jun 23 2004, 09:19 AM\'] I don't want the new GSN to fail, but it's a little like wanting USA and FAM to succeed just because they also used to show a lot of game shows... [/quote]
Excellent point. I, however, DO want BSN to fail.
And look at it this way, people: There's still tape trading. BSN can't cancel that on us.
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Excellent point. I, however, DO want BSN to fail.
And look at it this way, people: There's still tape trading. BSN can't cancel that on us.
Does that really make sense? See, Even with all the changes, GSN still carries a lot of classic Game shows- and no other network will carry them. And honestly, I still think they're going to carry many of them. If this experiment fails miserably, what makes you think they'll instantly go back to just Game shows? That's right, they WON'T. They call it a loss, and pull the plug- and they we wouldn't not have the "hated" reality shows, we wouldn't have classic shows either.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Jun 24 2004, 07:26 PM\'] what makes you think they'll instantly go back to just Game shows? That's right, they WON'T. [/quote]
I never said that they would go back to they're good programming. All I said is that I wish ill upon them for giving us the shaft. I think we're screwed as far as their programming. And they're split screen during the credits has reached rediculous proportions. You can't even decipher the copyright date! They give you a little postage stamp for the credits and the other 4/5 of the screen is invaded for plugs for their assonine Prime Time shows! They've royally pissed me off and I seriously hope the go bankrupt! I'm DEAD SERIOUS! And as I stated before: there's always tape trading.
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[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Jun 24 2004, 02:46 PM\'] Excellent point. I, however, DO want BSN to fail.
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You already said that once in this thread, I refuted you then, and my opinion (that you have no sense) stands.)
(EDIT: Take that back. I don't know whether you have any sense or not, so for me to say that was premature. I do think you're not thinking reasonably about this, and your opinion demonstrates a ignorance about how the industry works.)
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All I said is that I wish ill upon them for giving us the shaft. I think we're screwed as far as their programming.
We're shafted and screwed at the same time? Wow, "we" got it real bad...or real good, depending on how you like your...jollies.
I know it's silly, but I'm really tired of this "we" business. A poster speaks for exactly one person, not for everybody else or anybody else. I've liked five of the new offerings on GSN: Blackjack, Celeb Mole, Dog Eat Dog, Street Smarts and Dodgeball. All but Mole and Dodgeball are traditional game shows, and those two don't fall very far outside the genre.
Which is only my opinion, of course. I don't demand or fantasize that "we" agree with me.
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I don't want GSN to fail. I hope it stays for a long time to come. Where else will you find Richard Dawson and Ray Combs Family Feud back to back, or Match Game with Gene Rayburn? Just be grateful we have what we have. So they split screen the closings, so what? Just be happy the meat of the show is still there. Besides there are times when the closing of some shows can be seen in full. My advice? Enjoy what is there while you still have the chance. If you don't, you'll wish you had when it's gone.
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Music clearance????
Gimme a break. GSN probably pays the normal ASCAP/BMI license. With that, they could play anything. The songs used were used with permission of the composer.
Tell me a composer that wouldn't want paid for a piece of music?
With the purchase of Universal, NBC owns Trio. What a great place for gameshows!
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[quote name=\'toddyo\' date=\'Jul 3 2004, 11:27 PM\']Music clearance????
Gimme a break. GSN probably pays the normal ASCAP/BMI license. With that, they could play anything. The songs used were used with permission of the composer.[/quote]
It's my understanding that the music clearance issues are the obligation of the production company. MGP took care of all music clearance issues before the G-T/MGP library was shipped to GSN--and the original music on those shows is almost entirely owned by Fremantle in the first place.
As stated many times before, the reason for the credits squeezebacks is purely and simply to promo programming and catch the viewers' eye before they reach for the remote and change the channel. That's the reason for all squeezebacks and split screens in the first place, and it's just a more intrusive version of the network booth announcer reading promos over the credits music, as they did for years and years on the broadcast networks. Most people don't give a flying fig about credits, unfortunately.
When it's bad is when GSN zips into the squeezeback before we get the outtakes at the end of "Squares" or on "Street Smarts." They don't notice that, but they don't squeezeback on "Kenny vs. Spenny" because the humiliation plays out over the credits. Strange.
Which leads me to something else--shouldn't the production companies on originals expect that their logos are shown full-screen? If I were Mark Cronin, I wouldn't be happy that the Mindless logo is down there in the corner on "Extreme Dodgeball"'s crawl--although, personally, not having to hear that musical signature (the work of Jon "Piano Boy" Ernst, I assume) is OK by me.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 4 2004, 02:23 PM\']
When it's bad is when GSN zips into the squeezeback before we get the outtakes at the end of "Squares" or on "Street Smarts." [/quote]
Don't forget them zapping out the quickie deals at the end of LMAD in a similar manner.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 24 2004, 06:37 PM\'] ...and your opinion demonstrates a ignorance about how the industry works. [/quote]
Maybe not an ignorance, but you're right: I don't know how it works. But I'm willing to learn.
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[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Jul 4 2004, 05:48 PM\'] Maybe not an ignorance, but you're right: I don't know how it works. But I'm willing to learn. [/quote]
Then go back and reread this entire thread. If, after that, you still want GSN to tank, well, then at least your opinion is based on some semblance of consideration.
It would still be the opinion of an idiot, but at least you'd be an informed one.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 4 2004, 02:23 PM\'] Most people don't give a flying fig about credits, unfortunately.
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Question: I know there's people who might be irritated by the credits, just from judging by posts here as well as various newsgroups, but they might not know how to go about complaining. Is there any feasible method that could let the networks know that many viewers are turned off? Or could the unions have any say in the matter?
ObGameShow: GSN's squeezed credits are a bit TOO excessive. Is the animation of the GSN logo really necessary?
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It's my belief virtually no casual viewer wants to see credits on TV, they are a cue to switch channels. I would prefer to see them because I can find out who worked on the show and hear the theme play out. The people who work on the show get a paycheck, and that, I would guess, is better than an on screen credit. My compromise idea would be for GSN to post the major credits for each series on the individual show's page on the website, of course we don't get the theme playout, but we're not getting that now anyway.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 4 2004, 02:23 PM\'] As stated many times before, the reason for the credits squeezebacks is purely and simply to promo programming and catch the viewers' eye before they reach for the remote and change the channel. [/quote]
In GSN's case, they've long since left by the time the credits roll
(ducking)