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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: JasonA1 on June 02, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
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Buzzr aired Pilot A for Combs Family Feud, as seen (below) on the WinkTube about a year back. Curiously, Buzzr aired a version where Ray did a lot of uncommon-for-the-era ADR, namely on the board calls ("BRA STUFFING!!"). The clip on YouTube is not altered as such. I can only imagine somebody thought Ray's yelling voice was unpleasant and/or too high, but they had to hear how bad the boxy acoustics on the new audio sounded in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh3rO6t47W8
-Jason
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While watching the entire pilot episode last night, I thought I'd heard Ray Combs say that they would be paying $10 per point in "Fast Money," (if unable to reach 200 points).
I just watched the clip posted above, and saw that I was correct!
I've often felt that they either should pay $10 per point on the current version, or maybe a guaranteed minimum payout as a consolation.
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The complete pilot is now up:
https://youtu.be/OwEtgEkB5CY
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I know there's a 1987 copyright; I believe the pilot was shot around September of that year, a few months before CBS canceled Pyramid the first time. Any idea whether a daytime Feud was ever planned, or was syndication the goal all along, with a network version entering the picture much later on?
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I know there's a 1987 copyright; I believe the pilot was shot around September of that year, a few months before CBS canceled Pyramid the first time.
The Television City website says August '87. There were at least two, if the "Ray Combs Spotlight" video posted by Winc. is any indication.
Any idea whether a daytime Feud was ever planned, or was syndication the goal all along, with a network version entering the picture much later on?
From what I can tell, the first announcement of a network version is on Page 133 (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/87-OCR/BC-1987-11-30-OCR-Page-0133.pdf) of the November 30, 1987 Broadcasting, which announces that CBS has picked up a daytime version a July '88 start. All mentions of the revival prior to this point, both there and in Variety, only mention syndication.
[EDIT: See below post, which confirms there were plans for a network version around the time the pilots were shot. I stand corrected.]
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I know there's a 1987 copyright; I believe the pilot was shot around September of that year, a few months before CBS canceled Pyramid the first time. Any idea whether a daytime Feud was ever planned, or was syndication the goal all along, with a network version entering the picture much later on?
It was always the plan to launch a network version in addition to a syndicated one. In an August 1987 Variety article, it was mentioned that CBS and NBC were interested, but Feud's original network ABC was not. By November, a deal had been inked with CBS to start running the show in July 1988.
(http://i.imgur.com/oYZspar.jpg)
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Huh, didn't know that. Thanks for the correction. :)
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I thought Ray Combs did a good job of taking a show largely associated with someone else and making it his own, without imitating Dawson. Too bad his personal demons overcame him.
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I thought Ray Combs did a good job of taking a show largely associated with someone else and making it his own, without imitating Dawson. Too bad his personal demons overcame him.
From the timelines I've read, many of these problems started after he got fired, not during his time as host.
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Huh, didn't know that. Thanks for the correction. :)
I didn't know any of that either...thanks Dan and Greg for the info. Fascinating story.
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Hey Gang,
Not trying to bump this thread but the Variety clipping has me curious about something.
It states that it was still getting respectable Nielsens. What kind of numbers was Feud still pulling in during the 84-85 season and what kind of numbers were Wheel of Fortune getting at that time?
*Actually does someone have a "before and after" snapshot of the ratings of game shows during the Wheel of Fortune craze? It's always fascinated me how WoF managed to crush the competition once it came on the scene.
Thanks!
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I distinctly recall seeing the 1983-84 syndication ratings in that year's World Almanac. Wheel got about a 16.0 rating; Feud pulled an 8. Still respectable, but Feud was pulling double digit numbers and was the #1 show prior to that.
Not sure how Feud did in its final year, but I do recall reading that, during the same season, Lange's Name That Tune was canceled with about a 6 rating. Nowadays, that's a Top 5 show.
I do know Tic Tac Dough was in the Top 5 in the early-80s, but I don't remember how its ratings declined because of Wheel.
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I do know Tic Tac Dough was in the Top 5 in the early-80s, but I don't remember how its ratings declined because of Wheel.
Don't know if in fact there's some sort of clearinghouse for this such that you can see it by year or by show, but my thought is did Secret Category and Lieutenant Thom basically save the show? (And why would Tic Tac Dough be flailing and not Joker's Wild?)
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Attached is a PDF ranking all of the syndicated shows (airing in 30 markets or more) for the February 1985 sweeps period: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tx8htznuyl1slmc/Feb85-Ratings.pdf?dl=0
Feud was 10th highest (tied with The Jeffersons) with a 8.3 rating 16 share. Wheel, by comparison, was number one with a 19.7 rating 32 share.
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Very interesting that, for the sweeps, Name That Tune was a Top 15 show that actually performed better than quite a few first-run shows (game or otherwise) that were renewed (LMaD, TTD, $ale).
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Very interesting that, for the sweeps, Name That Tune was a Top 15 show that actually performed better than quite a few first-run shows (game or otherwise) that were renewed (LMaD, TTD, $ale).
That was something that stuck out to me as well. Did the ratings slide off the cliff in the last three months, or were there issues with the syndicator, etc.
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Thanks snowpeck for the link.
Interesting tidbits for sure.
Between the two B&E shows, did Tic Tac Dough always perform better than The Joker's Wild? Another question I have about those two shows is, Did TTD get the prime access slots around the country? I was reading an old newspaper clipping in my hometown and saw where TJW came on at 5pm on our local ABC station but TTD was paired with Entertainment Tonight at the 7pm hour. (mind you this was right before the whole WoF craze, circa '81-82 season)
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Very interesting that, for the sweeps, Name That Tune was a Top 15 show that actually performed better than quite a few first-run shows (game or otherwise) that were renewed (LMaD, TTD, $ale).
The criteria that Genesis put forth for syndie $ale (the show had to be on access or later and could only do early fringe if the NBC station in the market didn't air daytime $ale*) kept clearances low and they either lacked some pretty big markets (LA and DC for two) and had spotty clearances in others (constant preemptions on WOR in NYC for sports, being on the 4th tier indie in Boston). Modifying the rule for season 2 to allow any post-daytime airing allowed for more stations but in turn the show got weaker.
I'm more amazed that TJW lasted as long as it did though having some strategic clearances (the aforementioned WOR in the heyday of superstations) probably helped a ton.
* e.g. The Albany, NY market had WTEN airing the first season of syndie $ale at 5:30 PM while WNYT never cleared the NBC version at all.
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Between the two B&E shows, did Tic Tac Dough always perform better than The Joker's Wild?
Going off my memory from the World Almanacs, yes. TTD was consistently in the Top 5 or 10 in the early-80s, prolly fueled by Thom McKee's run, as Travis noted. That streak apparently eroded around the time Wheel premiered.
If I can find some older World Almanacs at my school's library, I'll try and snap a few pics or somehow scan the pages.
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Okay...so I looked through World Almanacs from 1981-86. The syndie ratings are for the November sweeps for 1979-84, with 1983 missing. Apparently someone ripped out that page for his or her own personal reference on another message board. :P Below are November 1980, '81 and '84.
In November 1984, Feud was still a Top 5 show, even though Wheel was beating it almost 2:1. Up until at least 1983, Tic Tac Dough routinely beat Joker. FWIW, Feud pulled a 12.4 in Nov. 1982, and again, went to about an 8-something in 1983.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/fostergray82/1980_zpsa0bo1rql.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/fostergray82/1981_zpsxeev5u61.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/fostergray82/1984_zpsat0umwxb.jpg)
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Thanks again BrandonFG!
Not to go off topic but I only want to know, why are some shows getting massive rating or ratings shares for children?
1980
M*A*S*H (6.7)
Happy Days Again (12.3)
Sanford and Son (6.5) <<< this I would like to know why.
1981
Lavern & Shirley (11.4)
Fascinating stuff here.
MODS, if I'm going way off topic I apologize. I don't want to slide in to off-topic world that much.