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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: colonial on October 28, 2015, 02:28:41 PM
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Chris Hardwick will host and executive produce the game, which comes from LeBron James' production company. Ten episodes have been green-lit for the quizzer, which sounds like a mix of "Plinko" and Britain's "Tipping Point" ....
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-wall-nbc-gameshow-chris-hardwick-lebron-james-1201628973/
JD
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It'll only be worth watching if, like Jackie Rogers Jr's $100,000 Jackpot Wad, they put the contestants in oversized discs and send the contestants down the Plinko board.
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It'll only be worth watching if, like Jackie Rogers Jr's $100,000 Jackpot Wad, they put the contestants in oversized discs and send the contestants down the Plinko board.
On a side note , HOW HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE YET?
Could you see this down a 10 story building in NYC? I totally could. And I'd watch. And so would you (for at least the first 5 minutes).
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The concept actually sounds kinda fun, at least worth a watch. I know that prime time games don't really work like this anymore, but I'd love to see TPTB treat this like a fun, lighthearted game.
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I love the idea of Chris Hardwick hosting a game show. I loathe that the article says "life changing amounts of money."
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On a side note , HOW HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE YET?
Could you see this down a 10 story building in NYC?
I'm picturing the Luxor in Las Vegas. It's got a better incline. And more goofies.
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I suspect ratings will be solid throughout, but start to fade in May and June. After seven seasons it'll move to Fox.
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I suspect ratings will be solid throughout, but start to fade in May and June. After seven seasons it'll move to Fox.
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I think the show will brick. :}
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Old thread revival, but I keep getting Facebook ads for casting for this new show.
http://glassmanmedia.com/the-wall-nbc-casting/
The site mentions that this is casting for Season 2 of "The Wall". Did I miss season 1? ...or is it just sitting in a can somewhere waiting to be aired?
Also, tons of Baptist churches on the list for casting locations. No real comment on that other than that it caught my attention.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2347eq.jpg)
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The first promotional image appears to show a host being restrained.
Intrigued.
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I seem to be recall a round of casting calls for "The Wall" being done in December and January, but that's the last most heard about the series until NBC's May upfront, when the Peacock announced the show would air.
JD
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All I keep thinking when I see this picture:
"No, Chris! You can't burn it down! I don't care how much Plinko paid you!"
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Thank goodness it wasn't a Season 2 of this dreck:
(http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/r/2009/01/21/ffc994de-79ac-49a4-97aa-d84da7e42e25/resize/300x206/6d1b03fe5c3891c2a8d1ddfccd224edb/090121holeinthewall1.jpg)
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Thought Donald Trump would want to host this.
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Thank goodness it wasn't a Season 2 of this dreck:
(http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/r/2009/01/21/ffc994de-79ac-49a4-97aa-d84da7e42e25/resize/300x206/6d1b03fe5c3891c2a8d1ddfccd224edb/090121holeinthewall1.jpg)
Just because it works in Japan doesn't mean it'll work here. Maybe it's entertaining for the first 2 or 3 walls, but beyond that it's just very repetitive.
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My understanding is that, in Japan, it was a segment on a much larger show. It wasn't the whole show, and it wasn't played for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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The first promotional image appears to show a host being restrained.
Intrigued.
It's pretty obvious that Hardwick & Friend have been photoshopped in.
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For some reason, I thought that was one of those obnoxious pop-up ads that appear during most shows. Of course, it wouldn't make much sense, considering the show hasn't aired here yet.
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Reviving this thread to note that NBC has announced a premiere date for the show ...
Two "preview" episodes will air on December 19 and January 2 at 10pm ET (the former airs after an AGT Christmas special, the latter after the "Celebrity Apprentice" premiere), then the show settles for its "premiere" on January 3 at 8pm ET.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/programming/nbc-slots-lebron-s-wall-jan-3/161153
JD
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It's Show Me the Plinko, but with a host I enjoy, so that's nice.
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It's Show Me the Plinko, but with a host I enjoy, so that's nice.
I have concerns about the part that sounds an awful lot like the "I had no confidence in you, so you're farked" part of Set For Life.
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I'm willing to bet that, given the network, they'll cut to commercial mid-drop. At least there's some trivia thrown in.
/Really can't believe game shows are still doing dark sets in 2016
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I have concerns about the part that sounds an awful lot like the "I had no confidence in you, so you're farked" part of Set For Life.
I missed that--what did you see that I didn't? I saw that it's a team that plays the game but that's all, and for twelve million bucks that's OK by me.
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I saw a blurb on Randy West's Facebook:
Teammates have to work together to build a cash bank, until one player is sent into an isolation room behind the wall. From there, the pair’s faith in each other will be tested as the teammates play the remainder of the game without any communication.
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I saw a blurb on Randy West's Facebook:
Teammates have to work together to build a cash bank, until one player is sent into an isolation room behind the wall. From there, the pair’s faith in each other will be tested as the teammates play the remainder of the game without any communication.
I was only reading from the link, I didn't go to Randy's page, and you're right, that doesn't go to my happy place.
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Always good to see Chris Hardwick. :)
NBC says The Wall is set up “to change everyday people’s lives in an instant,"
Everyday people? So there's gonna be players who aren't walking stereotypes/caricatures or have a sob story or are out-of-work actors?
...Ah, who am I kidding, it's an NBC game show.
with more than $12 million on the line every night.
But how much is realistically gonna get won on this thing? A couple hundred thousand at most?
I'm willing to bet that, given the network, they'll cut to commercial mid-drop.
It'll probably be for red ones, right as it hits a peg just above two spaces (one low-value, one high-value).
you're right, that doesn't go to my happy place.
Nor mine. (For those interested, here's Randy's Facebook post on the show (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211406168894844&set=a.1135531273395.2022528.1380727306&type=3).)
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with more than $12 million on the line every night.
But how much is realistically gonna get won on this thing? A couple hundred thousand at most?
I mean...still a life-changing sum of money. No worse than Wheel or Millionaire touting its million dollar payday and giving away <$50,000 an episode...
My brain is fried...unless I'm forgetting something, I think Chris is the first host(ess) in quite a few years to host two game shows simultaneously*. Off the top of my head, I believe the last one was Drew on TPiR and Power of 10 for all of about three months?
*Not counting a daytime and primetime run, like Howie Mandel on D/ND.
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My brain is fried...unless I'm forgetting something, I think Chris is the first host(ess) in quite a few years to host two game shows simultaneously*.
One of them is very, very scripted, making him not appreciably different than Steve Harvey.
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I learned something tonight. Not that it hinders my ability to enjoy the show, but in doing a little Googling, I didn't realize how scripted it was.
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with more than $12 million on the line every night.
But how much is realistically gonna get won on this thing? A couple hundred thousand at most?
How could we possibly know? If LeBron James is on board, what's to say that they can't pay off a multi-million dollar jackpot? And honestly, if a team splits five-hundred grand or so, what's it to you? For once in your life can you just watch a game show and enjoy it? Or not watch a game show and leave it be?
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I learned something tonight. Not that it hinders my ability to enjoy the show, but in doing a little Googling, I didn't realize how scripted it was.
Sorry, didn't mean to out Santa Claus on you. :) I just choose to suspend disbelief and enjoy it for what is being presented to me. As such I still herald Ron Funches as a god. :)
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No worries. I'll still get a good (possibly cheap) laugh while watching! :)
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For once in your life can you just watch a game show and enjoy it? Or not watch a game show and leave it be?
What's with the attitude? I'm all for new game shows, and I just shared my thoughts and concerns on this one based on the available info.
As for the whole money thing, for me even a few thousand dollars would make a huge difference in my life, let alone five figures or more. If a team splits $500,000 on this show, good for them. :)
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So this is a fine line, but for me, in regards to the money, it has to do with how they present it. If the show really hammers on that top prize, constantly saying that "Our team could walk out of here tonight with TWELVE! MILLION! DOLLARS!" when even anyone who thinks "Pascal's Triangle" is a potential PornHub search could see that is never going to happen, then it's an issue for me. I think of Weakest Link, and how NBC really pushed it as their million-dollar game show from the U.K., and after one viewing, it was obvious that no one was winning that top prize, ever. Winning $85,000 sure ain't nothing to turn up your nose at, but putting out top prizes that are many times that, which the producers know have a near-zero chance of being awarded, sours the whole enterprise.
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Honestly, I thought we were at the point where seven-figure (let alone eight-) paydays were beyond passe. Wheel and Millionaire don't even hype their million dollar prizes as much as they used to, so the fact that twelve million damn dollars is considered a selling point a decade after big money games lost their luster makes me wonder just how strong the game is to begin with.
/Plinko with trivia kinda answers that question, FWIW
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Clearly, it's no "Rubik's Cube"...
(http://i.imgur.com/ktyKkPL.jpg)
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Wheel and Millionaire don't even hype their million dollar prizes as much as they used to
While you're not wrong, this strikes me as hilarious given the name of one of the shows.
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...anyone who thinks "Pascal's Triangle" is a potential PornHub search...
I didn't. But that's only because I'd never heard of it. (I'm a musician; we count to 4 and then start over. At least some of the time.) But that was a fun little Wiki-dive, leading me to the question: Is Strahan too busy to host "Pascal's Pyramid"?
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While you're not wrong, this strikes me as hilarious given the name of one of the shows.
"Well, I'd *like* to be a millionaire, yes, but I realize that's damned near impossible, so I'll have to settle for $125,000."
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"Well, I'd *like* to be a millionaire, yes, but I realize that's damned near impossible, so I'll have to settle for $125,000."
That more or less plays out any time somebody makes it past the $50,000 safety point.
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To this end, was there a show that had a reasonable balance between advertising a healthier-than-usual top prize together with a healthy chance at winning it? Before Millionaire went to syndication, I felt that was true. And probably $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime, given it took just 3 consecutive bonus wins to get the money, and a number of people did it.
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To this end, was there a show that had a reasonable balance between advertising a healthier-than-usual top prize together with a healthy chance at winning it?
Teh $100,000 Pyramid?
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$100,000 Name That Tune, and I've heard "The $25,000 Treasure Hunt," even though the money amount wasn't in the title. Also $64,000/$128,000 Question.
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Chris Hardwick just posted a video of The Wall to his instagram page.
I can't link to the vid but he's at instagram.com/hardwick
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Here is the promo... I dunno about this one.
https://youtu.be/USeCCkSBzNU
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There was a new promo during Hairspray last night. In typical NBC fashion they highlighted sob stories by many of the contestants. Expect a lot of flood victims and cancer survivors with this one.
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I'm surprised that they would make a game show about being pinned behind a wall by an Iraqi sniper. I guess maybe Chris Hardwick could make that premise funny?
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There was a new promo during Hairspray last night. In typical NBC fashion they highlighted sob stories by many of the contestants. Expect a lot of flood victims and cancer survivors with this one.
I'd like to thank you for saving me the potential trouble of sitting through this. I don't like the sob stories during the Olympics; I definitely don't want them in an over-produced big money game show.
/Prove me wrong, NBC
//Also...get off my lawn
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Made for Tivo, just like Minute to Win it: question, >> fast forward >>, ball drops, >> fast forward>>, question and so on. I just saved you 45 minutes and you didn't even have to switch to Geico.
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A reminder that an episode of The Wall will air on NBC this evening (Dec. 19) at 10 pm EST.
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In a pleasant change of pace from the norm, it wasn't out and out offensive. Still too:
Slow
Easy
Much Money
but if they're giving it away to deserving folks and it's a joint venture between NBC/LeBron that doesn't bother me overmuch. It isn't as bad as Minute To Win It in terms of dead air, and it doesn't insult our intelligence or dignity like Take It All or Deal or No Deal. These days I will happily take something that gets more right than wrong and a host who entertains rather than capers.
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Overall, I found the show to be enjoyable. The contestants weren't over-the-top annoying. I wonder how much that giant Plinko board cost them.
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It isn't as bad as Minute To Win It in terms of dead air, and it doesn't insult our intelligence or dignity like Take It All or Deal or No Deal.
I have a weird soft space in my heart for Deal or No Deal, so I found this one more insulting. DoND made no pretensions about being any more than it was. They actually made a point in the early going about what the show didn't have. The Wall claims to feature strategy and quiz, and both of them are there in such infinitesimal amounts as to be virtually meaningless.
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There's certainly flaws/things I don't like, such as:
* The fact that we'll never see a couple fail to get out of the Freefall round with a positive balance because the episode structure is similar to that of Set For Life.
* The ending of "Are you going to take a relatively smaller (but still big amount) prize as opposed to the massive upside of millions of dollars?" when there are lots of ways they could have done that ending better.
* That for the amount of money being thrown around the questions failed to challenge or interest. One of the redeeming bits of Show Me The Money was that the questions could be challenging some times.
but I'm not going to go guns blazing at it because this is where game shows are these days. I'm not crazy about a game show that excludes 99.999% of the population and that you had to have done a one-in-a-million good deed, but I suppose that's better than the cast of characters that we normally get.
I'm imagining different things and arriving at the idea that the whole thing could have been a moderate success in 1975 as well as an interesting game and fun-to-watch show.
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That one ball dropped awfully fast.
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Maybe the Wall underwent puberty.
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I feel like they built this huge wall and then remembered that they had to put a game show together. The trivia portion was completely bland.
I'll be interested to see by the end if their theory that choosing 5, 6, or 7 tends to make the balls end up on the right hand side is correct. There's so many pegs and the balls are quite bouncy that it wouldn't shock me if it was all a wash.
I'm concerned that, quite often, the game is going to end on a sour note and there's going to be an awkward transition to happiness. When your last bank changing action is to drop 4 balls that will subtract money, going from "you just lost $X but you have $Y left" with enthusiasm isn't very easy to do.
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That one ball dropped awfully fast.
Maybe the Wall underwent puberty.
No more calls, please.
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I'll be interested to see by the end if their theory that choosing 5, 6, or 7 tends to make the balls end up on the right hand side is correct.
A Plinko diagram once showed that dropping the chip from the middle not surprisingly gives you a better chance of hitting the middle slot, but here the side walls would come into play more. Still, choosing chutes shouldn't be the most exciting dilemma before the last five minutes.
If trivia determined the color of more of the balls, it would add skill and give them more game to fill out the hour.
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A Plinko diagram once showed that dropping the chip from the middle not surprisingly gives you a better chance of hitting the middle slot,
The underlying mathematical exercise is named for a guy who lived in the 17th century, and people were studying this concept centuries before him. Believe me when I say there's a body of work that predates 1983.
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Cripes, is it possible to have one new show that isn't filled with "COMING UP..." bumpers before every break? It's very tiresome to have to look away from and/or mute the TV so the remainder isn't completely spoiled. Are those teases really what are keeping people tuned in the full hour?
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That's part of the big problem - full hour. Anything that can eat up minutes is thrown our way when, as others have said, you toss a 10-minute game into an hour slot. At least TPIR has dozens of different mini-games, and, whether one likes it or not, Brady and crew are being told to "make the show their own" by stretching out of the classic game show host mold, as per that recent interview. If you can't make every minute potentially entertaining in one way or another, can the crap. You're wasting our time. You bring up a good point. Imagine NCIS or Criminal Minds doing a potentially spoiling "coming up" before each commercial break.
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If trivia determined the color of more of the balls, it would add skill and give them more game to fill out the hour.
It also randomizes the potential payouts that much more, which is not desirable from a host of different financial standpoints, chief of which being: the more random your payouts, the higher premium you pay insuring against said payouts, and that's sunk cost regardless of what you actually end up paying out.
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Cripes, is it possible to have one new show that isn't filled with "COMING UP..." bumpers before every break? It's very tiresome to have to look away from and/or mute the TV so the remainder isn't completely spoiled. Are those teases really what are keeping people tuned in the full hour?
This reminds me of a question that I had...do they suddenly cut to commercial in the middle of a drop?
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I don't think they went to commercial mid-drop in the premiere, but we still have several episodes to go.
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Just posted my opinion of the show, (http://the-bloog.com/the-wall-review.shtml) for anyone interested.
Honestly, there wasn't anything about the show that was aggressively bad. It just went in my brain and went right back out without really hitting anything. I'll probably watch the shows in January if nothing else is going on, but it's hardly appointment TV.
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I finally remembered what this show reminded me of, flaws and all, though the "game" of it couldn't be any different. This crowd (and pretty much ONLY this crowd) will remember the blink-and-you-missed-it You Deserve It. There are a lot of similarities, primarily the casting of uplifting stories rather than contestants, and the inherent flaw of your jackpot going down rather than up. I happened to like the earlier one a lot more because I enjoyed the playalong value of the puzzles, and of course the reveal to someone who doesn't even know what's happening is a lot better than the artificiality of The Wall's final act. But both were/are badly flawed.
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My brother and I considered auditioning for this one, as they had A TON (a dozen?) of auditions in the Akron/Cleveland area, but we never followed through.
Having seen the show, I don't think we would have had a compelling enough story to make it.
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And if you were wondering when Monday Night's winners got paid, it was today:
https://www.facebook.com/LeBron/videos/10154921677638944/
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Wait, they got hard CASH?? You'd think they'd get a check.
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Wait, they got hard CASH?? You'd think they'd get a check.
LeBron had the cash on him, soo.....:)
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So, I finally sat down and watched this, and I do have a question:
If the contestants are fully apprised of the rules, then they knew how much was being added to the guarantee for each right answer. In which case, what's with this horseshit they were throwing around that he thought he only got two correct?
Rigged, no. Dramatized like hell, yes.
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So, I finally sat down and watched this, and I do have a question:
If the contestants are fully apprised of the rules, then they knew how much was being added to the guarantee for each right answer. In which case, what's with this horseshit they were throwing around that he thought he only got two correct?
Rigged, no. Dramatized like hell, yes.
It's very possible that they aren't completely apprised of the rules. Which also means that if this somehow makes it to another series that everyone else will know the dilemma.
Not for nothing, but a pair of contestants vaulted to #9 on the all-time winnings list for answering a handful of cake-easy quiz questions and being a bit fortunate.
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As I understood while watching he did not know the final amount of the guarantee.
He knew it was the originial amount plus the amounts for right answers. He had to estimate the final amount and did not think he added much .
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Wait, they got hard CASH?? You'd think they'd get a check.
Trust me when I tell you the cash was a prop.
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If the contestants are fully apprised of the rules, then they knew how much was being added to the guarantee for each right answer. In which case, what's with this horseshit they were throwing around that he thought he only got two correct?
I was operating under the assumption that he was informed (whether actually in print on the "contract" or by a staffer or whatever) that the buyout was precisely "your Round 1 pot plus whatever for every right answer, now do the math." and not a concrete figure.
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Wait, they got hard CASH?? You'd think they'd get a check.
Trust me when I tell you the cash was a prop.
They showed the Brinks truck right outside. I assume that as soon as the family got to see what that much money looked like in real life, it went right back in the truck and they received their winnings via check.
If the contestants are fully apprised of the rules, then they knew how much was being added to the guarantee for each right answer. In which case, what's with this horseshit they were throwing around that he thought he only got two correct?
Chris Hardwick mentioned that the contestant in isolation was never told whether his answers were correct. He clearly guessed on a couple of the questions -- apparently, he was only 100% confident in two of his answers.
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The underlying mathematical exercise is named for a guy who lived in the 17th century, and people were studying this concept centuries before him. Believe me when I say there's a body of work that predates 1983.
I never knew they had Plinko in the 1600s!
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That's part of the big problem - full hour.
Another fix could be playing two games in the hour, each for half as much. $6 million doesn't sound unimpressive.
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That's part of the big problem - full hour.
Another fix could be playing two games in the hour, each for half as much. $6 million doesn't sound unimpressive.
$6 Million Dollars is soooooooo 70s.
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The underlying mathematical exercise is named for a guy who lived in the 17th century, and people were studying this concept centuries before him. Believe me when I say there's a body of work that predates 1983
Whoever that guy is, I wouldn't bet against him ;)
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Out of curiosity, what exactly is the theoretical top prize? Can you get close to/over this mythical $12M number?
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$6 Million Dollars is soooooooo 70s.
Perhaps the game can be rebuilt. Better, Stronger, Faster.
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It looks like you could come within ten bucks of $12,375,000 if every green ball plopped into the top dollar values, all of the red balls fell into $1 lanes and every question is answered correctly.
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Out of curiosity, what exactly is the theoretical top prize? Can you get close to/over this mythical $12M number?
Yes. Though it is, as you said, theoretical. Max take in the last round would be $9,999,996. Max take in the second round would be $1,999,998. So, so just short of $12m in those two. Add in the opening round, and you go over.
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$6 Million Dollars is soooooooo 70s.
Perhaps the game can be rebuilt. Better, Stronger, Faster.
*like*
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$6 Million Dollars is soooooooo 70s.
Perhaps the game can be rebuilt. Better, Stronger, Faster.
Do we have the technology, though?
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More importantly, do we have the balls?
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More importantly, do we have the balls?
Well played.
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Something that wasn't dwelt upon in the first episode: in the Freefall round a team doesn't go into negative numbers like on Jeopardy. If a team gets one wrong worth more than in their bank, they reset to $0, further watering down the difficulty and risk involved, which is moderately disappointing.
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Something that wasn't dwelt upon in the first episode: in the Freefall round a team doesn't go into negative numbers like on Jeopardy. If a team gets one wrong worth more than in their bank, they reset to $0, further watering down the difficulty and risk involved, which is moderately disappointing.
More to the point, increasing the chances of getting out of that round, which is kinda important to getting one contestant team through the whole hour.
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Never going below $0 also prevents them from playing the automatic red balls at the start of each round, which struck me after episode 1 as the obvious solution to keeping the game from ending on a huge downer. IMHO, the tension of wondering whether a team is going to make it out of the red is preferable to "Here's a life-changing sum of free money, but we might take it back from you." Episode 2 ended up feeling like a bait and switch for pretty much that exact reason.
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I think it's becoming increasingly clear after watching three episodes that A) using the Triple Up in the last round is a sucker bet, and 2) nobody is ever going to sign that contract.
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They showed the Brinks truck right outside. I assume that as soon as the family got to see what that much money looked like in real life, it went right back in the truck and they received their winnings via check.
There was a missed sponsorship opportunity there. LeBron even called it a "Brinks truck", but the video clearly showed a Dunbar armored truck. Granted, it was only a Facebook video, but it still got some clicks.
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LeBron even called it a "Brinks truck", but the video clearly showed a Dunbar armored truck.
Well, he's used to his paycheck deliveries.
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LeBron even called it a "Brinks truck", but the video clearly showed a Dunbar armored truck.
Well, he's used to his paycheck deliveries.
I lol'd
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I think it's becoming increasingly clear after watching three episodes that A) using the Triple Up in the last round is a sucker bet, and 2) nobody is ever going to sign that contract.
The show that aired on 1/10 has proven Statement 2 to be wrong.
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People also win lotteries too.
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Don't expect this abomination of a show to go away anytime soon...
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/programming/nbc-orders-20-more-wall-episodes/162568
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Abomination is a bit harsh.
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Like I said on social media today, there's still too much easy money flying around, but I'm enjoying it more when I watch it using my fast-forward on DVR to get through the dull spots and sob stories.
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Abomination is a bit harsh.
I agree. Not everything is the absolute worst or the absolute best thing in the world. This thing is badly, badly flawed, but it's no Thousand Dollar Bee.
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I agree. Not everything is the absolute worst or the absolute best thing in the world. This thing is badly, badly flawed, but it's no Thousand Dollar Bee.
Hey, don't be so hard on him over "abomination." Words can be tricky.
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Abomination is a bit harsh.
I agree. Not everything is the absolute worst or the absolute best thing in the world. This thing is badly, badly flawed, but it's no Thousand Dollar Bee.
OK, maybe it was a bit harsh. I still didn't enjoy it.
/I need my agent to book me an appearance on Words Have Meanings
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OK, maybe it was a bit harsh. I still didn't enjoy it.
That's fine, and you're probably not flying solo. But the oversell of "abomination" deflates your position.