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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: PYLdude on July 22, 2014, 01:01:23 AM
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How many of you remember what game shows aired in those pesky latenight slots where shows go when there's no other spot for them or their ratings are down in your markets?
Qualifiers: first run single episodes only, hours from 12:00-6:00 am
In my market:
WCBS: Match Game '98, Sex Wars (IIRC), Win Lose or Draw (last season), Weakest Link (second season)
WNBC: Matchmaker, Joker 90, TTD 90, Liars Club from the 80s, Kennedy TPIR, Jeopardy (first few months), Davidson Pyramid
WABC: Name That Tune, Headline Chasers, Card Sharks
WWOR: Feud during at least one of Combs' last two years
WPIX: Street Smarts
Feel free to fill.in whatever gaps and share yer own.
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The FOX affiliate here in Des Moines (KDSM) aired an hour block of TTTT2000 and CS01 at midnight.
I know a station here aired Street Smarts late too, not sure where though (might've been the same FOX station).
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I believe KNBC also aired Davidson Pyramid very late as well.
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WLS aired Headline Chasers and syndie $ale late, and WMAQ aired Crosswits '86 and TTD '90 late.
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TJW and TTD 90 aired from 1-2 a.m. on WTKR.
The last few months of Combs' syndicated Feud aired after midnight on WTVZ...however, this seemed to be a rerun package. I distinctly remember an LAPD vs. NYPD episode from the late-80s airing well into 1994. Did any other markets get this?
The last few months of Pictionary aired around 2:30 a.m. or so on WGNT.
In fall 2001, season 3 of Feud and To Tell the Truth aired around 6-7 a.m. on WVBT. A couple months into the season, TTTT went to then-new WSKY, and stayed in a 7-8 p.m. slot until it was canceled the following spring. Feud moved to 2:30 am in September 2002, before finally moving to mornings on WTVZ in spring 2003, where it's remained ever since, never returning to overnights.
Card Sharks '01 aired at 1:35 am or so, on WTKR. Apparently, none of the stations in this area had faith in the Pearson shows that fall. :-P
The secondary episode of Donnymid aired at 2:05 am on WTKR (the primary ep. got a nice 10 am run).
Street Smarts alternated between daytime and overnight shifts here. When on overnights, I think it aired around 2 am...I wanna say that was also WVBT.
Did 100% air anywhere during daytime hours? I remember taking a trip to Dallas and wanting to stay up until 3 am to see it, but fell asleep.
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I definitely remember, in Chicago, WLS moving "The Challengers" to an overnight slot when its ratings were sliding. WMAQ also aired TJW and TTD '90 in a single block overnight, and (IIRC) Davidson Pyramid then as well after TTD '90 left the air.
I only remember these because this was the time I learned how to program a VCR. :)
Anthony
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The last few months of Combs' syndicated Feud aired after midnight on WTVZ...however, this seemed to be a rerun package. I distinctly remember an LAPD vs. NYPD episode from the late-80s airing well into 1994. Did any other markets get this?
I believe WWOR did as well; I also remember seeing a second episode in the hour block that had the bank value with only room for 3 spots and thinking it was an older episode.....
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I definitely remember, in Chicago, WLS moving "The Challengers" to an overnight slot when its ratings were sliding. WMAQ also aired TJW and TTD '90 in a single block overnight, and (IIRC) Davidson Pyramid then as well after TTD '90 left the air.
Weird, I thought the biggest market clearances for The Challengers were the NBC O&Os. Guess not.
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WTVF-Nashville had "Pictionary" at 2:37am CT during the 96-97 season.
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The oldest one I recall in Indy was WRTV airing "Strike it Rich" after Nightline.
"Home Shopping Game" also got that timeslot.
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WKYC here in Cleveland used to air hours of game shows after NBC's last offering (Friday Night Videos or whatever would have followed Letterman in 1988-90), until their morning programming started at 5:30 AM. A sampling of the shows which aired in this block include Wipeout, The Gong Show with Don Bleu, High Rollers, The Last Word, The All New Dating Game, the last season of Win, Lose or Draw, and 3rd Degree!. This block ran for close to two years. College Mad House was somehow in that mix as well.
WJW had their own late block in 1990-1, with Tic Tac Dough and Quiz Kids Challenge from 4 to 5 AM, later replaced with The Challengers and The Joker's Wild.
WUAB relegated The Price is Right to 1:30 AM in 1994.
The most recent occurrence, as far as I know, was Family Feud after Later on WKYC in the last decade (for a good portion of Karn's run).
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Some I can remember:
KCBS (Los Angeles; CBS station) Wipeout was moved from afternoons to late night in late 1988
KNBC (Los Angeles; NBC station): Cross-Wits in 1986; Matchmaker and Love Me, Love Me Not during 1987-88; $100k Pyramid in 1991; they even showed Scrabble during the tail end of its original run in 1990.
KCOP (Los Angeles): Straight To The Heart in 1989
KCOY (Santa Maria, CA; CBS station): Match Game moved to late night in 1999
Cordially,
Tammy
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How many of you remember what game shows aired in those pesky latenight slots where shows go when there's no other spot for them or their ratings are down in your markets?
Qualifiers: first run single episodes only, hours from 12:00-6:00 am
In my market:
WCBS: Match Game '98, Sex Wars (IIRC), Win Lose or Draw (last season), Weakest Link (second season)
WNBC: Matchmaker, Joker 90, TTD 90, Liars Club from the 80s, Kennedy TPIR, Jeopardy (first few months), Davidson Pyramid
WABC: Name That Tune, Headline Chasers, Card Sharks
WWOR: Feud during at least one of Combs' last two years
WPIX: Street Smarts
Feel free to fill.in whatever gaps and share yer own.
Combs Feud spent a brief period in the overnight hours on WNBC in 1989 before returning to 7:30pm, again in 1990 for a short time until the Challengers got moved to the morning hours, and from September 91 until its move to WWOR in February 92. WWOR had Feud on at 6am at the beginning of the 92-93 season, then moved it to 1am after a month or two, until the 93-94 season, when it moved to the 4pm hour.
As for this market, Erie, PA, the last season of syndicated Deal or No Deal was on at 2am on WFXP.
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I seem to remember both WCBS and WNBC doing their own version of "binge viewing" with their syndie game offering in the late 80s and early 90s.
WCBS aired Tomarken "Wipeout" on weekend overnights with three episodes on Saturday night/Sunday morning (The NY Daily News noted this unusual schedule in a blurb in their TV section prior to the show's premiere) and two more episodes on Sunday night/Monday morning. WNBC did the same with the last syndicated Convy season of "Win, Lose or Draw."
Also, I seem to remember WCBS airing the Weller season of "W, L or D" after the CBS morning show for a short time, although it did air late night for most of its run.
In the DC area, WUSA shipped O'Hurley "To Tell the Truth" to overnights after it failed to get viewers at 7pm ET, then did the same with "Weakest Link." The 2001 revival of "Card Sharks" aired overnight (believe 1:30am ET) on WUSA for its entire run.
JD
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WCBS banished the Garagiola "Strike It Rich" to overnight after it did nothing at 7 PM. I also remember that overnight was when Jeopardy was first airing in the NY market in 1984.
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Some Baltimore/DC stuff I remember WBAL had Trump Card at 1:30AM- WRC had Crosswits and later Wipeout air after a rerun of the late local news at 2:35AM..WBFF had Match Game '98 at 3AM I think..
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WCBS banished the Garagiola "Strike It Rich" to overnight after it did nothing at 7 PM. I also remember that overnight was when Jeopardy was first airing in the NY market in 1984.
I don't remember "Strike it Rich" airing at 7PM...I think WLoD was the first show to get the 7pm timeslot on WCBS when CBS Evening News moved up to 6:30. SiR I believe aired at either 9 or 9:30am.
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I definitely remember, in Chicago, WLS moving "The Challengers" to an overnight slot when its ratings were sliding. WMAQ also aired TJW and TTD '90 in a single block overnight, and (IIRC) Davidson Pyramid then as well after TTD '90 left the air.
I only remember these because this was the time I learned how to program a VCR. :)
Anthony
WGBO aired Davidson Pyramid (at 10pm after Benny Hill reruns). I swore TJW aired in the afternoons on the same channel.
As for the Challengers, I guess that wasn't on WLS after all. I remembered seeing it on Saturday evenings at 6.
Street Smarts aired on WGN late at night.
CS01 aired between 8pm and whenever the hell it felt like it.
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WKYC here in Cleveland used to air hours of game shows after NBC's last offering (Friday Night Videos or whatever would have followed Letterman in 1988-90), until their morning programming started at 5:30 AM. A sampling of the shows which aired in this block include Wipeout, The Gong Show with Don Bleu, High Rollers, The Last Word, The All New Dating Game, the last season of Win, Lose or Draw, and 3rd Degree!. This block ran for close to two years. College Mad House was somehow in that mix as well.
WJW had their own late block in 1990-1, with Tic Tac Dough and Quiz Kids Challenge from 4 to 5 AM, later replaced with The Challengers and The Joker's Wild.
WUAB relegated The Price is Right to 1:30 AM in 1994.
The most recent occurrence, as far as I know, was Family Feud after Later on WKYC in the last decade (for a good portion of Karn's run).
I think there were some other game shows which were "grave-yarded" o'er the Cleveland stations. Davidson Pyramid was one of those, but I'm not sure if it was on WUAB or WKYC. The Pat Bullard version of "Love Connection" was on pretty late, ISTR.
Meanwhile, in 1992, CBS had a late night block of Game Shows: "A Perfect Score" and "Personals", the latter show was done in the lounge of the LAX Hilton(?) and was hosted by Michael Burger, so you could imagine the cheapness of the "set".
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Meanwhile, in 1992, CBS had a late night block of Game Shows: "A Perfect Score" and "Personals", the latter show was done in the lounge of the LAX Hilton(?) and was hosted by Michael Burger, so you could imagine the cheapness of the "set".
Perfect Score was even cheaper...from what I remember, a bunch of glass brick walls (think Dawson 94's set). Personals was a Rick Rosner production. I managed to find an intro, and it's a point-and-shoot, but watchable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyIcb6heE9Y
It being a Rosner production, I'm sure that's Stormy Sachs leading the band.
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I think there were some other game shows which were "grave-yarded" o'er the Cleveland stations. Davidson Pyramid was one of those, but I'm not sure if it was on WUAB or WKYC. The Pat Bullard version of "Love Connection" was on pretty late, ISTR.
I only remember Davidson Pyramid on WAKR-23 around 5:30 PM, not on any Cleveland proper stations.
Pat Bullard's Love Connection was definitely on WUAB, paired with Change of Heart at the Midnight-1 AM hour.
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WCBS banished the Garagiola "Strike It Rich" to overnight after it did nothing at 7 PM. I also remember that overnight was when Jeopardy was first airing in the NY market in 1984.
I don't remember "Strike it Rich" airing at 7PM...I think WLoD was the first show to get the 7pm timeslot on WCBS when CBS Evening News moved up to 6:30. SiR I believe aired at either 9 or 9:30am.
I have a WCBS promo for Strike It Rich somewhere circa Fall 86. It might have been 7:30 and not 7 but it was definitely for an evening slot.
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WLS had Davidson Squares in the post-Nightline slot, after doing the same with Headline Chasers and $OTC. I want to say "Third Degree" may have had an overnight slot on WMAQ, and that some sort of panel game with Jon Byner ran late nights on WPWR.
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Other Chicago late night airings: (from the Tribune's listings)
-High Rollers (and later, House Party with Steve Doocy) aired at 3am on WMAQ
-Anything for Money aired at 1am on WMAQ
-By 1984, Family Feud aired at 1:30am on WMAQ
-Every Second Counts aired at midnight on WLS
-Couch Potatoes aired at midnight on WPWR
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A couple more...WTKR aired 3rd Degree sometime in the middle of the night. I wanna say 3 a.m.
There was a very obscure dating show called Infatuation, hosted by Bob Eubanks. It was more or less a show where people revealed secret crushes on someone, not really a game show. Anyway, it also aired around 3 or 4 a.m. on WAVY c. 1993-94.
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WPWR also had Change of Heart and Bullard's Love Connection after 11:00. Double run in both markets.
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WCBS banished the Garagiola "Strike It Rich" to overnight after it did nothing at 7 PM. I also remember that overnight was when Jeopardy was first airing in the NY market in 1984.
I don't remember "Strike it Rich" airing at 7PM...I think WLoD was the first show to get the 7pm timeslot on WCBS when CBS Evening News moved up to 6:30. SiR I believe aired at either 9 or 9:30am.
I have a WCBS promo for Strike It Rich somewhere circa Fall 86. It might have been 7:30 and not 7 but it was definitely for an evening slot.
And it wasn't 7:30 either because Wheel was airing there.
I seem.to remember WCBS airing Strike it Rich in the noon timeslot that opened up when Press Your Luck bit the dust. It was because of that ratings flop that WCBS started its noon newscast, making them only the second in the market with one at the time.
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In Atlanta:
WGCL: Anderson Feud (first few eps and again in 2001), CS2001, TTTT2000
WSB: Rafferty Card Sharks, HR87, Davidson Squares, Love Connection
Minneapolis/St. Paul
KSTP: Perfect Match (Bob Goen version)
In Orlando:
WKCF: Love Connection (Pat Bullard) Cbange of Heart
WESH: 3rd degree, Talkabout, TJW90
WKMG (WCPX): Wipeout
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The oldest one I recall in Indy was WRTV airing "Strike it Rich" after Nightline.
KSTP in. Minneapolis/St. Paul aired Perfect Match (Bob Goen) post-nightlife
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I seem to remember WPIX exiling Change of Heart to late night at some point but don't remember when. I'm pretty sure it spent most of its run there, as well, and I wanna believe it was after they crowbarred Maury away from WNBC (it and Love, Bullard Style were airing in the pre-Springer hour).
I'm fairly certain that WWOR put Feud on at 5:30 pm when they picked it up and it was before the end of 1991 because they snagged the thirteen-week second season of Davidson Pyramid to air with it.
(Who aired Catch Phrase and Break the Bank in New York? Anybody?)
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I thought I once read here that WCBS aired Break the Bank in the mornings...9:30 or so? I could be way off.
/First time for everything
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I thought I once read here that WCBS aired Break the Bank in the mornings...9:30 or so? I could be way off.
/First time for everything
They liked to air game shows in that hour for awhile...Joker was there, I'm pretty sure TTD was with it, Trump Card, Home Shopping Game, and in the season before BtB premiered you had Let's Make a Deal and Anything for Money occupying it.
I figure it was either them or W(W)OR because they both were big on at least daytime syndies at the time.
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I seem.to remember WCBS airing Strike it Rich in the noon timeslot that opened up when Press Your Luck bit the dust. It was because of that ratings flop that WCBS started its noon newscast, making them only the second in the market with one at the time.
I do believe you're right. I have a November 1986 TV Guide I wanted to check on for this anyway, but I am pretty sure I remember seeing Strike it Rich listed in the noon slot. I'll check first chance I get.
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I seem.to remember WCBS airing Strike it Rich in the noon timeslot that opened up when Press Your Luck bit the dust. It was because of that ratings flop that WCBS started its noon newscast, making them only the second in the market with one at the time.
The New York Times TV listings corroborate this.
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Pretty sure Catch Phrase also aired on WCBS in the 9am hour.
JD
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Unless there's an online source of old Huntsville, AL TV listings, I have no idea (other than Street Smarts on WZDX-Fox-54) what game shows aired in late night, most likely on account of being asleep almost every night of my childhood and a good portion of my teenage years.
ETA: I almost forgot (perhaps for good reason ;) ) syndie Lyrics on the same station.
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In Cincinnati:
WLWT put the $1 Million Chance of a Lifetime at 1:30 am (after Late Night with David Letterman) for Season 2. TTD90 aired on weekends in late night (maybe they knew it was terrible when they saw it for the first time!), so no rapping dragons for me (I didn't see it on USA, either).
WSTR dropped the syndie Deal or No Deal to early mornings in the middle of Season 2. They were supposed to carry CS2K1 at 3 am (it wound up at 9:30 am - given the bad critical reception it got, maybe 3 am was ideal).
WXIX carried the Weller season of WLorD at 5 or 5:30 am (the only time I was aware of it being on so early was from TV Guide - those were the days).
Brian
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In Atlanta:
WGCL: Anderson Feud (first few eps and again in 2001), CS2001, TTTT2000
ISTR that most of the first season of TTTT2000 was on WGCL in the 4:00-5:00 hour between Guiding Light and the debacle known as Clear News.
A few other cases from New England-ish
- WLNE in Providence aired TNPiR '94 mostly in overnights with an oddball a week airing Saturday evenings paired with the Mass Lottery's Bonus Bonanza.
- The second run of Anderson Feud was aired on WTNH in overnights (single run aired daytime on sister WBNE/WCTX).
- The last couple of years of Dawson syndie Feud aired at midnight on WGGB in Springfield.
- WTEN in Albany aired parts of Combs Feud and Davidson Pyramid in overnights.
- WBZ in Boston always used overnights as a waystation for shows on the decline or on their way out (TJW '90, Trump Card, The Challengers, TNPiR '94) but cleared a couple of years of Combs Feud at 2:35 AM. This doesn't count the 30ish times a year that WoF and J! air 1:37-2:37 for assorted, mostly Patriots-related reasons.
/Somehow bumping one night a week of TBBT reruns on WSBK is too much to ask.
//That was the serious explanation.
///This was the same city where a gossip column led to $110 million changing hands because of easily refutable rumors.
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NY-wise, WNBC also put Sparks Crosswits in the wee hours. Didn't know about J! starting there, when did it move to WABC?
And when did NTT (Lange version, I assume) air late night on WABC? Cause I know it wound up in daytime, as did J! (perhaps the same block? I recall a promo for the two shows...which was seen during a 7 Late Movie, oddly enough. So was J! ever on WABC's late night too???)
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Did 100% air anywhere during daytime hours? I remember taking a trip to Dallas and wanting to stay up until 3 am to see it, but fell asleep.
I remember seeing it in the morning when I was visiting a friend in Florida. Think MG98 was seen there in the afternoon. FWIW, said friend lived by Kissimee.
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I thought I once read here that WCBS aired Break the Bank in the mornings...9:30 or so? I could be way off.
/First time for everything
They liked to air game shows in that hour for awhile...Joker was there, I'm pretty sure TTD was with it, Trump Card, Home Shopping Game, and in the season before BtB premiered you had Let's Make a Deal and Anything for Money occupying it.
I figure it was either them or W(W)OR because they both were big on at least daytime syndies at the time.
Never saw them there myself, as at the time I lived somewhere that received NY and Philly channels, so I would watch Joker on I think WPVI. But all my other memories of TJW and TTD were from W(W)OR, so I was surprised to see that they appeared on WCBS in the '80s. Ditto for All-New LMAD, which I likewise associated with Channel 9.
Kind of a reverse of the question, but here, Dawson comeback Family Feud disappeared from the afternoon to the morning on WWOR when TPIR'94 ended, cutting it off from school-going me. Did they ever show the full hour by then, or still just the second half?
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I don't think anyones mentioned Bergeron 'Hollywood Squares'. I believe a number of stations moved it out of prime access for its last season, but can does anyone know if it ever had any late night markets?
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I thought I once read here that WCBS aired Break the Bank in the mornings...9:30 or so? I could be way off.
/First time for everything
They liked to air game shows in that hour for awhile...Joker was there, I'm pretty sure TTD was with it, Trump Card, Home Shopping Game, and in the season before BtB premiered you had Let's Make a Deal and Anything for Money occupying it.
I figure it was either them or W(W)OR because they both were big on at least daytime syndies at the time.
Never saw them there myself, as at the time I lived somewhere that received NY and Philly channels, so I would watch Joker on I think WPVI. But all my other memories of TJW and TTD were from W(W)OR, so I was surprised to see that they appeared on WCBS in the '80s. Ditto for All-New LMAD, which I likewise associated with Channel 9.
Kind of a reverse of the question, but here, Dawson comeback Family Feud disappeared from the afternoon to the morning on WWOR when TPIR'94 ended, cutting it off from school-going me. Did they ever show the full hour by then, or still just the second half?
They cleared the entire hour once it moved to the morning.
LMAD followed the Barry-Enright shows to channel 9 for its second season. In season one I believe it took Tic Tac Dough's place while Anything For Money got Joker's-with the exception of the period where they were on opposing channels (channel 9 had Joker first, channel 11 TTD), Joker always aired in the second half of the hour.
To answer your first question, WABC picked Jeopardy! up midway through its first season. Name That Tune was moved from the morning to pair with it in the 4 PM hour, then was jettisoned to late night when channel 7 nabbed Divorce Court.
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Pretty sure Catch Phrase also aired on WCBS in the 9am hour.
JD
I was under the impression that it aired on W(W)OR. For the simple reason that its replacement was produced by the same company that produced The $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime, and both premiered in January 1986- I would figure that Telepictures wanted to keep those two shows together, and channel 9 as far as I know aired the entire run of COAL.
Paging Greg Brobeck...
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As per this old thread, http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?topic=8143.0 (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?topic=8143.0) Catch Phrase aired on WCBS at 9, followed by Break the Bank at 9:30.
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The CW affiliate (KCWI) in Des Moines is currently airing an hour block of "Cash Cab" reruns at 1:00 AM.
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As per this old thread, http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?topic=8143.0 (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?topic=8143.0) Catch Phrase aired on WCBS at 9, followed by Break the Bank at 9:30.
Then I shall stand corrected twice. Wonder what channel 7 was airing at 10 and when Headline Chasers got bumped.
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The CW affiliate (KCWI) in Des Moines is currently airing an hour block of "Cash Cab" reruns at 1:00 AM.
Hence why I said "first run". I know those are still airing. :)
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The CW affiliate (KCWI) in Des Moines is currently airing an hour block of "Cash Cab" reruns at 1:00 AM.
Hence why I said "first run". I know those are still airing. :)
My bad. Saw it on the schedule and went "Oh, that'll work for that thread Chris has on late night shows". Thanks for the reminder. :)
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Then I shall stand corrected twice. Wonder what channel 7 was airing at 10 and when Headline Chasers got bumped.
I'll look to some old TV Guides but I know that "Morning Show" was 90 minutes for awhile as well.
For our younger viewers, "Morning Show" was the pre-national syndication title of what is now "Live with Kelly and Michael".
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Kind of a reverse of the question, but here, Dawson comeback Family Feud disappeared from the afternoon to the morning on WWOR when TPIR'94 ended, cutting it off from school-going me. Did they ever show the full hour by then, or still just the second half?
They cleared the entire hour once it moved to the morning.
Yes, for about a month, then went back to just the second half hour at 9:30, forget what replaced the first half hour at 9.
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As per this old thread, http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?topic=8143.0 (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?topic=8143.0) Catch Phrase aired on WCBS at 9, followed by Break the Bank at 9:30.
Then I shall stand corrected twice. Wonder what channel 7 was airing at 10 and when Headline Chasers got bumped.
I think Headline Chasers got bumped to midnight on WABC in December.. I remember staying up late to watch it on school vacations
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To answer your first question, WABC picked Jeopardy! up midway through its first season. Name That Tune was moved from the morning to pair with it in the 4 PM hour, then was jettisoned to late night when channel 7 nabbed Divorce Court.
Huh...I remember the shows being seen in the mornings, perhaps the 10 am hour?
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To answer your first question, WABC picked Jeopardy! up midway through its first season. Name That Tune was moved from the morning to pair with it in the 4 PM hour, then was jettisoned to late night when channel 7 nabbed Divorce Court.
Huh...I remember the shows being seen in the mornings, perhaps the 10 am hour?
That happened later. Around the time they did the move to 7, they added a repeat of the previous night's episode at 10 to air with Split Second.
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Pretty sure Catch Phrase also aired on WCBS in the 9am hour.
JD
I was under the impression that it aired on W(W)OR. For the simple reason that its replacement was produced by the same company that produced The $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime, and both premiered in January 1986- I would figure that Telepictures wanted to keep those two shows together, and channel 9 as far as I know aired the entire run of COAL.
Paging Greg Brobeck...
For some reason, I thought Perfect Match was Telepictures' replacement series, not Chance of a Lifetime.
Which brings me to this question: I know Telepictures had the "insurance policy" on shows that didn't make it past midseason. Were stations obligated to take the guaranteed show? I ask because in Norfolk, Catch Phrase aired on WAVY and Chance was on WTKR. I'm not even sure we got Perfect Match; I don't recall seeing it on any listings from 1986.
/Really wish the local paper had taken part in the Google online archive
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Little late to today's portion of the conversation. I guess I'm the only one with online access to the New York Times archive. (I have Chicago and DC as well.) Does anything in the NYC area need clarifying at this point?
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Little late to today's portion of the conversation. I guess I'm the only one with online access to the New York Times archive. (I have Chicago and DC as well.) Does anything in the NYC area need clarifying at this point?
If you could show me how to access 'em the right way, I would certainly appreciate it.
Brandon, Perfect Match was the replacement, but the way I understood it was that Jim Lange was originally supposed to host that instead of COAL. If I remember it, Mike Burger implied that the choice of Bob Goen was made last minute (I don't remember for sure if Mike said this, though) which led me to believe that COAL was put together shortly before Perfect Match was supposed to premiere, and then sold along with Perfect Match as a package after the fact. And since I didn't know who picked Catch Phrase up until this thread, I just operated under the theory that since XPTLA was responsible for Perfect Match and COAL (but not for Catch Phrase) they would've aired on the same stations.
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WKMG aired Kennedy PIR at 7:30 in the fall of 1985 and in early '86 aired Perfect Match
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Brandon, Perfect Match was the replacement, but the way I understood it was that Jim Lange was originally supposed to host that instead of COAL. If I remember it, Mike Burger implied that the choice of Bob Goen was made last minute (I don't remember for sure if Mike said this, though) which led me to believe that COAL was put together shortly before Perfect Match was supposed to premiere, and then sold along with Perfect Match as a package after the fact.
Adam Nedeff...he made the explanation a few weeks ago on a Winc thread in the A/V forum. Apparently, the clip that wasn't chosen was indeed from the Perfect Match pilot (Make a Match), and a Lorimar rep explained the hasty change.
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Brandon, Perfect Match was the replacement, but the way I understood it was that Jim Lange was originally supposed to host that instead of COAL. If I remember it, Mike Burger implied that the choice of Bob Goen was made last minute (I don't remember for sure if Mike said this, though) which led me to believe that COAL was put together shortly before Perfect Match was supposed to premiere, and then sold along with Perfect Match as a package after the fact.
Adam Nedeff...he made the explanation a few weeks ago on a Winc thread in the A/V forum. Apparently, the clip that wasn't chosen was indeed from the Perfect Match pilot (Make a Match), and a Lorimar rep explained the hasty change.
Okay then. Works for me. Now that I think about it, maybe they didn't sell 'em together because one premiered before the other.
I noticed that in the old thread that was linked to that Mr. Dat Ass left out what I thought was a pretty glaring omission in the listings...where was The $100,000 Pyramid? I know when and where that aired in New York.
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Two other game shows that got the late night treatment in Atlanta (at least on WSB): That's Amore and TTD '90.
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Two other game shows that got the late night treatment in Atlanta (at least on WSB): That's Amore and TTD '90.
I think the broader question might be what markets DIDN'T put TTD90 on late night. Or Joker 90 for that matter.
(What's "That's Amore"? Never heard of it.)
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(What's "That's Amore"? Never heard of it.)
That's Amore was a dating game show hosted by Italian actor Luca Barbareschi; this is the only clip from it on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghIUk-IW3fQ
And I don't recall any syndie game shows that were banished to late nights in Fairbanks (my old home for, what, 200 years?).
(On a personal note...let me say that it's great to be posting on this board once again!)
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I'm going off of a 21-year memory, but it was kinda like The Marriage Ref, but with a slight court show angle. All I remember was a husband and wife were bickering over an issue, and each spouse had a person in their corner taking their side. The audience would vote on who technically "won" the argument. I know that's incredibly vague, but again, it's been more than 20 years...aired 1992-93 season.
I remember it aired around midnight or so here, and I think I remember seeing it in a morning slot when I visited Dallas. 10:30 maybe?
ETA: Full episode to be posted on the A/V board...
As for TTD90, I think someone mentioned it aired in a late-afternoon slot in their area, and I do remember seeing a DC area listing with Joker at noon.
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HS98 was on at 12:35AM in Milwaukee, IIRC.
/WISN has never aired a game show since.
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I think the broader question might be what markets DIDN'T put TTD90 on late night. Or Joker 90 for that matter.
If you mean "at first" and not eventually.....WHP-21 (CBS) in Harrisburg first aired TTD90 in a late afternoon slot (I want to say 5pm) when it premiered. It was definitely not tossed to late night upon its premiere. As for Joker90, WLYH-15 (also CBS) in Lebanon aired it at 7:30pm when it premiered. IIRC, it later wound up sometime between 9am-10am...I guess that's better than late night?
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Just realized I haven't actually contributed my memories to this thread. The station I work for runs the primary run WWTBAM at 2:05 AM presently. Harvey Feud is at 1:07 AM, but it's the secondary run. The primary run is in the more visible 7:30 PM slot.
I grew up in the Tri-Cities, TN/VA market, where some syndicated game shows didn't air at all (and in looking at listings, that continues to be the case.) I can't specify years, but I have strong memories of Love Connection in late night slots on WKPT. Davidson TPIR aired once a week (though it might have been two episodes) on WCYB on Saturday nights after SNL in fall 1994.
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I heard Celebrity Name Game wasn't doing too well in the ratings, possibly because it airs in out-of-the-way timeslots in some markets. It doesn't air at all in Memphis, despite us having a Tribune station. I think WREG would/could have aired it at 12:35am after the Late Late Show.
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I heard Celebrity Name Game wasn't doing too well in the ratings, possibly because it airs in out-of-the-way timeslots in some markets. It doesn't air at all in Memphis, despite us having a Tribune station. I think WREG would/could have aired it at 12:35am after the Late Late Show.
In Flint, it runs 7p-8p on the CW station opposite J! and WOF. Probably can't get a lot of ratings traction in that slot.
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I can't think of any ever airing in San Francisco between Midnight and 6 AM. The closest I remember coming to those hours was KTVU (now the Fox station, but independent at the time) airing Liar's Club at 11 PM.
I'm a little surprised KPIX never aired TPIR overnight, considering that nobody else in SF aired it at all between 1981 and 1991.
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I'm a little surprised KPIX never aired TPIR overnight, considering that nobody else in SF aired it at all between 1981 and 1991.
Didn't any of the indies air preempted network shows?
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An interesting late-night case in Chicago: WMAQ aired The Guinness Game Saturdays at 1am, after SNL and SCTV. The interesting part is that the February before its premiere, WMAQ actually aired an episode as a special one night at 6:30pm, probably the pilot.
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To go way, way back: Beat the Champ and PDQ aired after Carson in Detroit.
Also, Millionaire currently (as well as in the past, 2 different stations), Challengers (after Nightline), Davidson Pyramid (between Carson and Letterman)
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To go way, way back: Beat the Champ and PDQ aired after Carson in Detroit.
Also, Millionaire currently (as well as in the past, 2 different stations), Challengers (after Nightline), Davidson Pyramid (between Carson and Letterman)
Make Me Laugh aired opposite Carson in Chicago; must've worked well.
/s
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Also, Millionaire currently (as well as in the past, 2 different stations), Challengers (after Nightline), Davidson Pyramid (between Carson and Letterman)
This has to be in Letterman's last days with NBC. This happened in Memphis too, only it wasn't with a game show. Were there any other cities where Carson and Letterman didn't air back to back?
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I'm a little surprised KPIX never aired TPIR overnight, considering that nobody else in SF aired it at all between 1981 and 1991.
Didn't any of the indies air preempted network shows?
I thought KTZO/KOFY did.
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From at least 1985 to the last show in 6/93 KSDK-TV St. Louis aired programing at 11:30 PM between 'Tonight' and 'Late Night'. For several years it was 'Love Connection'. Later it was Bill O'Reilly in 'Inside Edition'.
KMOV-TV St. Louis also delayed the start of the red-hot 'Late Show with David Letterman' to 11:07 PM for reruns of 'Love Connection' from 1993 to maybe 1995.
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According to an old listing I posted on another board, KTUU in Anchorage ran The Gong Show (Don Bleu version) late nights at 1:30 am.
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I'm a little surprised KPIX never aired TPIR overnight, considering that nobody else in SF aired it at all between 1981 and 1991.
Didn't any of the indies air preempted network shows?
I thought KTZO/KOFY did.
KOFY aired TPIR (on a one-day delay, IIRC) for a few years in the early 1980s. And I do remember it airing in 1981, now that I learned that the 1981 Home Viewer Showcase was the one with the DeLorean in it.
This isn't the only game show pre-empted in San Francisco; KPIX never aired Spin-Off (it did air Musical Chairs and Give & Take), and KRON never aired either 50 Grand Slam or Just Men!.
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I'm a little surprised KPIX never aired TPIR overnight, considering that nobody else in SF aired it at all between 1981 and 1991.
Didn't any of the indies air preempted network shows?
I thought KTZO/KOFY did.
KOFY aired TPIR (on a one-day delay, IIRC) for a few years in the early 1980s. And I do remember it airing in 1981, now that I learned that the 1981 Home Viewer Showcase was the one with the DeLorean in it.
This isn't the only game show pre-empted in San Francisco; KPIX never aired Spin-Off (it did air Musical Chairs and Give & Take), and KRON never aired either 50 Grand Slam or Just Men!.
KRON, early on, also preempted the Friday episode of Cullen Price each week for local programming until they got letters.
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A few more from Chicago from looking at old listings and from memory
The second season of 1986-89 Dating Game aired at 2 am on WMAQ 5
Wink Martindale High Rollers moved to 3 am on channel 5 in early 1988 after spending the first few months at 10 am bumping Wheel to the afternoon
For most of the 1989-90 season channel 5 had Combs Feud on at 1:30 am
WLS 7 had Break The Bank at like 4 am in 1985-86 and also around that time in the 2 to 4 am period had a Barris rerun block with Gong Show, Dating Game and Treasure Hunt
WPWR 50 had a few game shows at midnight Matchmaker and Relatively Speaking
Third Degree aired at 1:30 am on channel 7
Perfect Match was originally put in overnights on WFLD 32 in early 1986 before the summer when it was given a primetime clearance along with $100,000 Pyramid
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Also in Chicago:
- WLS aired Headline Chasers and nighttime $ale back-to-back starting at 11pm
- WBBM bumped Price to 4pm
- WFLD aired The All-New LMAD at 2:30am
- WMAQ aired College Mad House at 3:30am
- WGBO aired Shopper's Casino at 11am from 9/14/87 (replacing Gomer Pyle) to 9/29/87 (replaced by Daniel Boone)
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Did 100% air anywhere during daytime hours? I remember taking a trip to Dallas and wanting to stay up until 3 am to see it, but fell asleep.
I remember seeing it in the morning when I was visiting a friend in Florida. Think MG98 was seen there in the afternoon. FWIW, said friend lived by Kissimee.
Yea, I think it was on in the wee hours on WOFL 35. I tried to stay up late enough to watch it but my dad made me go to bed or I fell asleep.
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I found out by accident this week, but the secondary episode of Celebrity Name Game now airs at 1:30 in the morning on WGNT. That and Are We There Yet? have been bumped from the 10-11 pm hour, and were replaced by Family Guy reruns.
The primary episode remains at 7:30 pm, so there's always that.
/For now
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Another game show that aired late nights in Anchorage:
Newlywed Game (Gary Kroeger) also on KTUU at 1:05 am (in between Later and the 10:00 news repeat), which I caught while visiting there in 1997 (KFXF in Fairbanks aired that and Dating Game in the daytime).
Edited to add: Actually, I do remember KTVF in Fairbanks airing You Bet Your Life (Bill Cosby) at around 1:00 am.
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How many of you remember what game shows aired in those pesky latenight slots where shows go when there's no other spot for them or their ratings are down in your markets?
Qualifiers: first run single episodes only, hours from 12:00-6:00 am
In my market:
WCBS: Match Game '98, Sex Wars (IIRC), Win Lose or Draw (last season), Weakest Link (second season)
WNBC: Matchmaker, Joker 90, TTD 90, Liars Club from the 80s, Kennedy TPIR, Jeopardy (first few months), Davidson Pyramid
WABC: Name That Tune, Headline Chasers, Card Sharks
WWOR: Feud during at least one of Combs' last two years
WPIX: Street Smarts
Feel free to fill.in whatever gaps and share yer own.
As a fellow NYer, there were a few more:
WCBS - actually carried WLoD in weekend late night slots for most of its first two seasons (save for a brief period from Sep-Dec. 88, when it was carried weeknights at 7), while Wipeout was given similar treatment, being aired in double-run blocks in the very early morning hours (5-6 AM, IIRC)...they also carried the Michael Reagan version of Lingo in the overnight graveyard
WNBC - aired the 80s version of Treasure Hunt after J! moved to WABC in early 1985, Crosswits '86, Relatively Speaking, and the 2nd season of the Davidson $100K Pyramid
WOR - would carry reruns of fairly recent game shows aired as part of the station's afternoon/evening blocks in the 4:30 AM slot for a time in the early 80s...the 1980 revival of LMaD there during the 1981-82 season, later replaced by Face the Music, then Bullseye. Also aired reruns of Pitfall irregularly at 12:30 AM in the early part of the 82-83 season.
WPIX - Change of Heart, from season 2-onward
And let me add that I didn't realize burying syndie game shows in late night time slots went back to the 60s, since the trend didn't start in the NYC market until the mid-80s.
Chuck Donegan (The Surprised "Chuckie Baby")
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I think the broader question might be what markets DIDN'T put TTD90 on late night. Or Joker 90 for that matter.
If you mean "at first" and not eventually.....WHP-21 (CBS) in Harrisburg first aired TTD90 in a late afternoon slot (I want to say 5pm) when it premiered. It was definitely not tossed to late night upon its premiere. As for Joker90, WLYH-15 (also CBS) in Lebanon aired it at 7:30pm when it premiered. IIRC, it later wound up sometime between 9am-10am...I guess that's better than late night?
WROC in Rochester, NY aired TTD '90 in a morning slot for part of its run, as did WYFF in Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson, SC (9:30 AM, IIRC).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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i remember that Trump Card aired on WLOS after Nightline
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And as I previously mentioned in the "Uncleared syndie game shows in top markets" thread, WAGA here in Atlanta ran Jackpot! (1989) at 5:00 am right before the morning news.
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i know that "American Gladiators" was always late night on my abc station WLOS expect for the spring and summer of 1992 when it was at 7:00
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i know that "American Gladiators" was always late night on my abc station WLOS expect for the spring and summer of 1992 when it was at 7:00
In my area, KCNC Channel 4 in Denver, "American Gladiators" came on after "Saturday Night Live"
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yep both of us got ag late night
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are you sure that TTD 90 was on WYFF because i faintly remember the Martindale version of TTD aring on WLOS
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are you sure that TTD 90 was on WYFF because i faintly remember the Martindale version of TTD aring on WLOS
That doesn't mean anything. Revivals of shows air on different networks all the time, and shows switch affiliates during their original run as well.
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From what I was told, AG's first season aired in late night on WNBC. Of all people, my mom was the fan at first because she was working a second job on weekends.at the time.
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would 9:30 am be a better slot than late night for a show like TTD 90
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From what I was told, AG's first season aired in late night on WNBC. Of all people, my mom was the fan at first because she was working a second job on weekends.at the time.
Here in Los Angeles it debuted on September 9 on KHJ (three months before it changed to KCAL) on Saturday Afternoons.
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would 9:30 am be a better slot than late night for a show like TTD 90
No. A timeslot doesn't make a show better or worse, although it's not a good sign if several program directors are opting for late night slots. But no, the show was terrible; putting it on in the morning wasn't going to change that.
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question is there a way to research where shows aired in my market in this case greenville anderson asheville?
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question is there a way to research where shows aired in my market in this case greenville anderson asheville?
Go to your local library and make a beeline for the microfilm room.
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i use the herald journal archives from google news
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i know hosts where on certain stations in my market
perry and woolery were on 4 woolery was also on 7 with lc bill rafferty was on 4 so was nispey russell and patrick wayne and bob hilton and monty hall
sajak adamle ceflao trebek theismann and hall and martindale were on 13?i think jack barry was on 13 too but not sure also add csonka
barker eubanks finn kennedy clark kennedy tomarken and carey on 7? might also add jim lange he was on 7 art james was too
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i know hosts where on certain stations in my market
perry and woolery were on 4 woolery was also on 7 with lc bill rafferty was on 4 so was nispey russell and patrick wayne and bob hilton and monty hall
sajak adamle ceflao trebek theismann and hall and martindale were on 13?i think jack barry was on 13 too but not sure also add csonka
barker eubanks finn kennedy clark kennedy tomarken and carey on 7? might also add jim lange he was on 7 art james was too
Dude...punctuation and capitalization would really benefit your contributions here.
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oh thanks i will do that from now on
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was "American Gladiators" always intended to air in a late night slot? the reason i ask is that i have read some articles that say that
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Which articles say that?
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i remembering that AG wasn't billed for prime-time but as a late night syndicated filler
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If it was billed as such, that probably meant something along the lines of "Hey programmers! Don't feel like moving your prime access shows around to accommodate AG? Why not put it on after Arsenio?"
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But then why was it only designed to be once a week? Unless the original plan was to make AG a daily strip, and that probably wouldn't have worked out so well considering the tight shooting schedule they seemed to have (weren't most of the competitions shot over two days?).
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But then why was it only designed to be once a week? Unless the original plan was to make AG a daily strip, and that probably wouldn't have worked out so well considering the tight shooting schedule they seemed to have (weren't most of the competitions shot over two days?).
Not counting specials, they had 26 episodes per series from heats to Grand Championships. That wasn't going to cut it as a daily either.
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Plus I could imagine that it would just seem overly repetitive to have AG as a five a week, especially in the first season where there wasn't a whole lot in the way of variety with the events.
I wonder if that was why they gave the set and some of the games a makeover during the off time between the first half of the season and the second half...I don't know about you guys, but to me every time I watch the AG reruns from the first season, the first half I find just too drab and boring.
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oh thanks i will do that from now on
was "American Gladiators" always intended to air in a late night slot? the reason i ask is that i have read some articles that say that
Who had "three words into the next post" in the pool?
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But then why was it only designed to be once a week? Unless the original plan was to make AG a daily strip, and that probably wouldn't have worked out so well considering the tight shooting schedule they seemed to have (weren't most of the competitions shot over two days?).
Not counting specials, they had 26 episodes per series from heats to Grand Championships. That wasn't going to cut it as a daily either.
didnt Star Search with Ed McMahon have 26 shows per year too?
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didnt Star Search with Ed McMahon have 26 shows per year too?
imdb implies that "you are correct, sir", but what does Ed McMahon have to do with ag? did McMahon ever hit competitors with an oversized q-tip while wearing spandex?
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did McMahon ever hit competitors with an oversized q-tip while wearing spandex?
Who HASN'T, I say!
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did McMahon ever hit competitors with an oversized q-tip while wearing spandex?
Who HASN'T, I say!
HIYO!
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Back to Chicago (and on-topic): WMAQ also aired $100,000 Name That Tune (Jim Lange) at 2:00 am!
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Back to Chicago (and on-topic):
And two months after the most recent contribution.
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Back to The Gong Show (Don Bleu): In addition to KTUU in Anchorage, WSB here in Atlanta buried it to late nights as well (also at 2:00 am according to listings I glanced at from 1988).
College Mad House may have gotten the same kind of treatment on that same station, but I'll have to look at some more 1989-90 listings from the Journal-Constitution to find out (unsure if it also cleared Anchorage; KTUU may have aired it after SNL). (UPDATE: According to December 1989 listings, WSB aired College Mad House Saturdays at 1:00 pm)
I also remember the Newlywed Game (Paul Rodriguez) being on WLOX (Biloxi, Miss.) late nights after Nightline in summer 1989.
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And two months after the most recent contribution.
This time around, sixteen months.
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American Gladiators was only to run for 13 weeks. The second half of the first season was taped much later.
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/07/06/american-gladiators-games-cast-history-episodes (http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/07/06/american-gladiators-games-cast-history-episodes)
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Well, that certainly explains the wooden people thing from the early episodes (and I think those actually carried over for the rest of the time they were at Universal, no?)
Seriously, that article is a pretty damn good one. Worth a read.