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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: SuperMatch93 on October 21, 2012, 09:29:21 PM
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Since they were so successful with their first revival of Lingo, I wonder what luck they'd have with Crosswits.
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Has GSN ever had an original show with more than two celebrities at a time? Without four celebrities, you would need to tweak Cross-Wits. Maybe it would work without the celebrities, and just have two teams of two contestants each (if the contestant whose turn it was didn't guess the word, his partner would get the "one guess" the contestant got in the old version).
It pretty much has to be a show where each game is contained in a single episode (that lets Jackpot out) - how about Whew!?
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Actually, I think Jackpot would work as a GSN original. The same contestants all week - it worked with Hollywood Showdown.
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Eye Guess is a easy, breezy game that was great for daytime audiences. Do you think a variation could be developed with a little more primetime attractiveness (without being dongified)? Harder quiz? More answers on the board? Lemme think on it...
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After seeing the new British version on Youtube, I thought Blockbusters would be perfect with the single vs. pair format. $500 for winning a main game, best of three, Gold Rush for say, $10K? $25K? A trip somewhere semi-exotic?
I think TalkAbout could work as well, for about the same budget ($10K).
My only thing is both of those shows straddled, and as much as I'd hate to do a "whoever has more points when the final bell sounds" format, I'm afraid it would be done that way. Kinda odd, considering GSN airs reruns of shows that indeed straddle. Has there ever been a GSN original with returning champions?
Every Second Counts is another one I saw on YT, and immediately thought could work well. The bonus round levels could keep the escalating prizes, or replace them with escalating dollar amounts, then the car (i.e. $1,000/2,000/5,000/CAR).
If not for music rights issues*, I'd suggest Face the Music, but then again, I'm not so sure musical game shows work the way they did 30 years ago. Pop music and tastes have changed so much...
*/You can't even sing clues on Pyramid without them being muted, and I'm suggesting a 30-minute show with music? :-P
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Music rights can be overcome.
I would say Password, Split Second, a national version of It's Academic, Jackpot, and for production ease, Cross-Wits.
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Music rights can be overcome.
How do you overcome music rights? If you're going to do a music show where you actually play music, someone's gotta get paid. I'm guessing "Name this tune that we're playing under the fair use clause" isn't going to fly.
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Public Domain Face the Music? ;-)
The show used about what, 15 songs per episode, not even counting the bonus game that required another six. I just feel that's a lot of clearances for a daily low-tier cable show. Syndication or weekly primetime is a different story because of the budgets.
Even though el cheapo Sandy Frank somehow got away with it, I think the rights rules have changed a lot the last 32 years. Sandy's site has a clip from a pilot his company produced a few years ago. From what I remember, it was quite different from Ron Ely's version. Given it's more of a cult classic amongst the forum, you fortunately could do a lot with the format and mainstream America wouldn't cry foul about the drastically different rules.
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Music rights can be overcome.
How do you overcome music rights?
Take a page from Conan O'Brien's book (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocv8fNy4RaY").
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Has GSN ever had an original show with more than two celebrities at a time?
I've Got a Secret?
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Has GSN ever had an original show with more than two celebrities at a time?
I've Got a Secret?
I think that's a bit of a stretch to call them "celebrities".
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Has there ever been a GSN original with returning champions?
The Money List.
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Some other games I thought of that might work:
Beat the Clock
The Big Showdown
Now You See It
The latter two require some brain power, which might not be "in vogue" right now. I also like Eye Guess and Split Second, which were previously mentioned.
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Somebody in the thread mentioned Jackpot, which for a while I actually thought would make for a good revival on like The Hub(same with Chain Reaction, even though GSN already revived that).
Another idea I had for a Hub revival, but I guess it could work with in a GSN revival as well is Bumper Stumpers; only problem with that is you would have to tweak gameplay since the show straddled games.
Somebody also mentioned Crosswits in this thread, which I thought would be good for a revival(with some tweaks in gameplay; of course this would have been great prior to Merv Griffin's Crosswords airing, not so much now).
With some tweaks in gameplay, and payoffs maybe Trump Card would make for a good revival. On that same vein, if GSN still had the people running it that green lighted Friend or Foe, Whammy, and Russian Roulette, I thought Split Second would have made for a good revival as well.
Actually, I came up with a revised payout structure a while back for the show which would have had contestants winning somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-5,000 dollars per show, possibly more depending on how many questions each player answers(which i'm sure GSN wouldn't have a problem with budget wise).
Speaking of that Split Second revival idea, and the revised payoffs I was thinking something along the lines of this:
In Round 1 of the main game, three players getting a question right would be worth $100 to each of them, two players getting a question right would be worth $250 bucks to each, and one person getting a question right would be worth $500.
In Round 2 of the main game, the payoffs would be increased to $500 for three players getting a question right, two players getting a question right would be worth $750, and one player getting a question right would be worth $1,000.
The Countdown round would stay the same, and maybe you could add a bonus game of some kind as well.
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Speaking of that Split Second revival idea, and the revised payoffs I was thinking something along the lines of this:
My, spending other people's money is....nope. I don't even have the strength to do it anymore. Christ on a popsicle stick.
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I think we should have more than just The Pyramid (and really, I'd like to see a second season so they can iron out the little things) before we trip over ourselves to say "Let's get a revival of every game show in the history of television ever."
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Sony has a somewhat large music publishing company, so maybe they could come up with a music-based show which only uses Sony-controlled songs. If you want to go cheap, revive WML with all civilians (including panel) with small cash prizes or costume jewelry to panelists who ferret out the occupations or to the jobholder if the panel is stumped.
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I think we should have more than just The Pyramid (and really, I'd like to see a second season so they can iron out the little things) before we trip over ourselves to say "Let's get a revival of every game show in the history of television ever."
You must be new here.
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What about ESP, with Seth MacFarlane replacing Vincent Price as host?
I really think it could work.
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What about ESP, with Seth MacFarlane replacing Vincent Price as host?
I really think it could work.
Bleh. Played out. How about a revival of "Joe Garagiola's Memory Game," with Jeff Garlin playing the role of Joe Garagiola (just like Paul Reubens on "You Don't Know Jack") so viewers wouldn't be confused by a title change.
In all seriousness, I think "Catch Phrase" would make a good companion to Pyramid, with a little tweaking from the original (mainly in the flawed scoring system).
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Music rights can be overcome.
How do you overcome music rights?
Take a page from Conan O'Brien's book (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocv8fNy4RaY").
Use the music, pay Harry Fox Agency (or pre-clear) for royalties. Production company takes right off on costs as business expense.
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Production company takes right off on costs as business expense.
They do? Like a rocket?
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Production company takes right off on costs as business expense.
They do? Like a rocket?
All write, all write, there's no need to get snarky.
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We know who would win and who wouldn't if Homonym became a game show, don't we. :) I will also say that I don't think Toddyo quite gets how music rights and clearances work, or the money involved. You don't just write off a business expense because it annoys you.
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Sounds like a lot of folks need a lesson in write-offs:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upifaeK0B5U[/media]
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Actually, given that right now they're rating higher than The Pyramid (http://"http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.ca/2012/10/gsn-ratings-october-15-21-2012.html"), do you think Dog Eat Dog or Minute to Win It could have good revival potential in GSN's realm? Personally, I've always felt that Minute could probably work better as a lower-budget show ($100,000 top prize), since they wouldn't have to try and make everything tense just for the sake of "Top prize is $1,000,000; thus we have to make it feel like Millionaire" logic. It's meant to be a fun show, but NBC only wrecked it by turning it into Deal or No Deal, climate-wise. Plus, if they kept that Super Coin game as the final round, they wouldn't even need to give away the $100,000 at all.
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Toddyo does (and I hate auto speller). I acquire third party rights of a large company. Never said purchasing rights is annoying. It takes making a list (request), submitting it to the Agency or rights holders to get permission. You negotiate rights fees, sign an agreement and pay them.
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Actually, given that right now they're rating higher than The Pyramid (http://"http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.ca/2012/10/gsn-ratings-october-15-21-2012.html"), do you think Dog Eat Dog or Minute to Win It could have good revival potential in GSN's realm? Personally, I've always felt that Minute could probably work better as a lower-budget show ($100,000 top prize), since they wouldn't have to try and make everything tense just for the sake of "Top prize is $1,000,000; thus we have to make it feel like Millionaire" logic. It's meant to be a fun show, but NBC only wrecked it by turning it into Deal or No Deal, climate-wise. Plus, if they kept that Super Coin game as the final round, they wouldn't even need to give away the $100,000 at all.
Was this all meant to be funny? Because if it was, mission accomplished.
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You negotiate rights fees, sign an agreement and pay them.
Except you seem to be missing the most basic point: why pay them when you can do something else that pulls the same numbers, and *not* pay them?
This is the same reason that I Heart Schadenfreude and Minute To Win It would never fly: they both take far too much post-production work to be watchable.
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With the all the love Steve's FF has been getting and our neighbors to the north taking a cue, how about Match Game? Not too much of a payout, they can find some decent celebs and bing, bang, boom. I don't think they'd fall into the "obvious over-the-line answer is obvious" category that MG98 did, but I can only hope it wouldn't.
Also, with GSN trying to find hybrid reality stuff, I wouldn't mind seeing a What's Going On? revival.
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With the all the love Steve's FF has been getting and our neighbors to the north taking a cue, how about Match Game? Not too much of a payout, they can find some decent celebs and bing, bang, boom. I don't think they'd fall into the "obvious over-the-line answer is obvious" category that MG98 did, but I can only hope it wouldn't.
With the show you referenced at the start of your post being so popular right now, I'm willing to bet $20 that they would absolutely go that route. They'd probably pair a new MG with reruns of Harvey's FF and think they're being edgy.
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Actually, given that right now they're rating higher than The Pyramid (http://"http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.ca/2012/10/gsn-ratings-october-15-21-2012.html"), do you think Dog Eat Dog or Minute to Win It could have good revival potential in GSN's realm? Personally, I've always felt that Minute could probably work better as a lower-budget show ($100,000 top prize), since they wouldn't have to try and make everything tense just for the sake of "Top prize is $1,000,000; thus we have to make it feel like Millionaire" logic. It's meant to be a fun show, but NBC only wrecked it by turning it into Deal or No Deal, climate-wise. Plus, if they kept that Super Coin game as the final round, they wouldn't even need to give away the $100,000 at all.
Was this all meant to be funny? Because if it was, mission accomplished.
Indeed.
That show was starting to get dumb very quickly. In fact, it was probably dumb by just the first episodes alone.
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That show was starting to get dumb very quickly. In fact, it was probably dumb by just the first episodes alone.
I certainly didn't find that to be the case. I don't think that the people at the party that I watched the premiere episode with thought it was stupid. That's certainly your opinion and you're entitled to it, and I'm entitled to say that I'm glad I paid what it is worth.