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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: BillCullen1 on August 30, 2012, 08:34:09 AM
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A last minute surprise as GSN puts on a preview of their Pyramid series. Tonight (Aug. 30) at 10 pm EST. So set your Tivos or do what you have to do. This is mentioned in the Pyramid thread but I figured a special thread for this announcement was warranted.
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The old thread was about the Pyramid pilot. If the mods agree, we could use this as a new thread on the show now that it's actually airing.
Since they had 40+ shows to choose from, I expect to see good game play, with one or more of the following:
- the new tie-breaker
- a win in the Winner's Circle
- a $20,000 or $25,000 attempt in the Winner's Circle
- a main-game win with only a second or two on the clock when the winning point scores
If there's only one $25,000 win or only one show with two wins of any size, I hope that they're not showing it right away. (Recall that a $100,000 win on Lingo aired very early in the run.)
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Bev and I are looking forward to tonight's ten o'clock hour and look forward to sharing our impressions of the broadcast with you and reading yours!
I'd like to think that in the great beyond, Dick Clark, Bill Cullen and Bob Stewart will be watching and approving of the treatment.
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Bev and I are looking forward to tonight's ten o'clock hour and look forward to sharing our impressions of the broadcast with you and reading yours!
I'd like to think that in the great beyond, Dick Clark, Bill Cullen and Bob Stewart will be watching and approving of the treatment.
Are you gonna be watching Mitt Romney or Pyramid?
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Looks like I will toggle with the remote between both.
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It's much less likely that The Pyramid will make me want to throw up.
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Just saw the show. Won't give anything away except to say that GSN GOT THIS RIGHT!! The show is awesome and better than breakfast at IHOP - and it takes a lot to make me say that.
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I'm quite okay with what I just saw. I found it interesting that Mike stood behind a different podium than I have been seeing in other clips and production photos. Was this one of the pilots, maybe?
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Just saw the show. Won't give anything away except to say that GSN GOT THIS RIGHT!! The show is awesome and better than breakfast at IHOP - and it takes a lot to make me say that.
There's a couple of nit-picks for the purists but overall positive.
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Very well done! I am extremely impressed! From the set to the camera angles and judging it was old school Pyramid but they've done enough to make it their own. I liked Mike, especially his offering of the perfect clue for things that are wide. I'm genuinely impressed.
I really like the theme but I had a hard time hearing it, it seemed awfully soft.
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The show is awesome and better than breakfast at IHOP
Low bar. IHOP way undercooks their eggs. Blech.
There's a couple of nit-picks for the purists but overall positive.
Oh good lord.
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Just finished watching it and I was thoroughly entertained. If they can just polish up the camera work a bit (I found it to be noticeably unsteady at times and there were way too many quick zoom-ins) and make the edits a little less obvious, they'll have a perfect "7 out of 7." Other than that, they've done a most excellent job of bringing this show back to life. Kudos.
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I came into the show a little uncertain, but it definitely grew on me as the half hour went on. On the nitpicky side-- the theme is a little artificial sounding (though it was a little buried in the mix, so I couldn't fairly judge), the camera zooms seemed to be a little overdone, and I'm not sure about changing the rule on passing in the front game, but the presentation seemed pretty rock solid. Richards seems to really get the spirit of the game also... he knew when to be serious and when it was okay to joke around. Nothing will ever top 70s/80s Pyramid, but I think GSN really did a good job in trying to recapture that feeling. Well done.
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Just finished watching it and I was thoroughly entertained. If they can just polish up the camera work a bit (I found it to be noticeably unsteady at times and there were way too many quick zoom-ins) and make the edits a little less obvious, they'll have a perfect "7 out of 7." Other than that, they've done a most excellent job of bringing this show back to life. Kudos.
I was just about to write about those zooms, myself--but aside from that, the camera work did the requisite job of making the big Pyramid look big. The remixed theme seems nice, but was too low in the mix.
Nice work, GSN.
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If this is an indicator of everything from here on out, I'd say that GSN just eclipsed Donnymid.
My biggest complaint: If that video of the WC board changing wasn't filmed after the round was over and inserted in post, contestants are losing some serious time waiting for the board to change after the bell goes.
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Personally, it felt like the 80's show never left. I LOVED the $500/$5,000 for 7-7, and I was impressed by Chandra Wilson's playing of the game. Even Mikey managed not to suck; he was a bit stiff, but otherwise he was just fine. By God, THIS is how you do The Pyramid.
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This is easily the best thing GSN has done since Lingo. There are a few things that I wish they were doing a little differently, and things felt just a little off without the 7-11 and the Mystery 7, but dammit, it's Pyramid. The celebs were into it, the contestants could play well, and overall, the things they got wrong were vastly outweighed by what they got right.
Mike isn't the most perfect host I've ever seen, but damn, he's clearly trying, which is more than I can say for the host of a certain other show he's associated with. In fact, I would go so far as to say that many of TPIR's problems would at the very least be lessened if it were hosted by its executive producer.
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Overall, they did a great job. I'm curious to see how the show will develop beyond its first production cycle. It would have made for better television if we were allowed a little more time with the contestants. I understand the nature of the beast, but could we spend a bit more time with the $20,000 winner before getting back to the commercials? What a shame that everyone on air had a last name, except for the contestants.
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What a shame that everyone on air had a last name, except for the contestants.
Perfesser? Is that you?
All jokes aside, my only gripe is the overabundance of Helvetica/Swiss/Arial/enter cheap sans-serif font here. Great that you're upping the prize budget but would it kill you to get a couple of font licenses? Doesn't have to be Clarendon or Bookman but have some creativity here.
I think Mike's doing perfectly acceptable hosting; there's some strengths and weaknesses but completely curious to see how he grows into the role. Let's be happy that someone actually more or less made a really good revival here.
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What a shame that everyone on air had a last name, except for the contestants.
GSN's originals and revivals all seem to do this. Anybody know why?
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I was just about to write about those zooms, myself--but aside from that, the camera work did the requisite job of making the big Pyramid look big. The remixed theme seems nice, but was too low in the mix.
Nice work, GSN.
Yeah, the winner's circle was indeed done fabulously. If they can take that work and apply it to the front game, all will be well. As for the theme, I agree that it was buried too deep into the mix. I'm also not sure about the arrangement; it feels a little too casual and not BIG enough to make an impact. My personal preference would've been for them to use the original 70's version of Tuning Up, but this new recording is pleasant enough. I'll get used to it.
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I'm quite okay with what I just saw. I found it interesting that Mike stood behind a different podium than I have been seeing in other clips and production photos. Was this one of the pilots, maybe?
This was not.
-Jason
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Clark, Cullen and Stewart must be smiling from up above. I wonder who the announcer is on this version.
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Golly, that made me happy.
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I will be a loyal viewer of this.
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What a shame that everyone on air had a last name, except for the contestants.
We already knew that they don't have returning champions. Within an individual show, this is the only thing that I dislike even a little.
Prize structure (known): terrific
Host: He was a little over the top, but so was Dick Clark in the first-week show that I've seen. I expect that he'll sound more natural on the later episodes.
Quality of game play: pretty good considering that the game hadn't been played "for real" in eight years. Of course, we already know that some celebs didn't fare so well.
Graphics: What I saw was well-done, but I think "$500" would have been better than "7 out of 7." I really liked the fact that the make-believe trilons were turning to reveal the categories as well as removing them.
Writing (main game): I loved, loved, loved that they had a few longer items in the main game, like "air-traffic controller". In the 1980's, they would have shortened this to just "controller."
(Winner's Circle) The writing is as good as it was in the 1980's, and maybe even with a little more variety. We saw WHAT A __ MIGHT SAY and WHAT J__ G__ MIGHT SAY, but not in the second box, where they always used to be, and at least in the latter case, I don't disagree with that placement.
The game itself: Virtually unchanged (except for the tie-breaker, which we haven't seen but we know is new), and I'm especially gratified that they still get to choose whether to give or receive in the Winner's Circle.
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Quality of game play: pretty good considering that the game hadn't been played "for real" in eight twenty-one years.
There, fixed that for you.
Writing (main game): I loved, loved, loved that they had a few longer items in the main game, like "air-traffic controller".
Not sure how I felt about "A baggage handler" though. Is that really the common phrase?
(Winner's Circle) The writing is as good as it was in the 1980's, and maybe even with a little more variety. We saw WHAT A __ MIGHT SAY and WHAT J__ G__ MIGHT SAY, but not in the second box, where they always used to be, and at least in the latter case, I don't disagree with that placement.
Just as long as they don't start doing what Donnymid did, and have multiple "_____ says" and "why you ______" in the same round.
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Not sure how I felt about "A baggage handler" though. Is that really the common phrase?
I was completely fine with it.
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Not sure how I felt about "A baggage handler" though. Is that really the common phrase?
Absolutely. But it's a completely different job than a bellman or a porter, and if that's what gets stuck in your head first, it's going to be very hard for you to come around to the right answer. A tough one, but not evil.
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Absolutely. But it's a completely different job than a bellman or a porter, and if that's what gets stuck in your head first, it's going to be very hard for you to come around to the right answer. A tough one, but not evil.
And would "baggage handler" be dealt with more or less easily than "skycap" for example?
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Here's my extended review (http://"http://buzzerblog.com/2012/08/review-gsn-pyramid/") on it, which includes video of some of the highlights if you didn't see it or would like to see them again. I truly believe it lived up to the hype and I will be an appointment viewer.
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That was very enjoyable. The whole thing felt like it was crafted and performed by people who truly get it. Really enjoyed Mike's work at the end of the second Winner's Circle.
Season Pass-worthy.
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No cable over here but DAMN was that impressive! I may have to find a way to watch this one. If Chad's five-minute clip impressed me, I can only imagine how go od the show was!
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Just watched the "Sneak Preview" of The Pyramid, which aired earlier this evening on GSN. It was a full half-hour episode. The game runs pretty much exactly like the original Dick Clark / Bill Cullen versions. They have even updated the second theme. The host (whose name escapes me at this second) seems able enough, and the celebs (I hesitate to call them "stars") played well, for the most part.
I just wonder how they can give away the money they're obviously going to be awarding each day. It appears to be quite a budget! But I guess that's not for me to worry about.
Four stars out of four, in my humblest of opinions. I completely enjoyed it.
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I just wonder how they can give away the money they're obviously going to be awarding each day. It appears to be quite a budget! But I guess that's not for me to worry about.
For one, you didn't have a winner's circle victory every day, so that helps. For two I guess they got more money than the "now you can turn your $500 into $5,000 in our bonus game" norm from years ago.
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I too will echo the sentiment that GSN did this show justice. I do have my gripes on a couple minor things.
1) The fast zoom ins on the main game category reveal NEEDS TO GO. A simple shot of the board will suffice.
2) I know it was only the first episode shown, but I have to gripe on the "judges". On the category where the object were to guess the words from the Declaration of Independence, why are we giving credit for "happiness" for saying "happy"? I know in certain other categories, giving the root word is generally acceptable, but these words were played in context of "name these words found in the...". These words should have been in " " and credit should not have been given on "happiness" until the player "happiness".
Also, in the WC, on the subject of "Things you spread", you don't spread a "sandwich". That IMO should have gotten an immediate buzz because the clue did not fit the subject.
Other than that, I thought Mike did pretty well, if this show gets picked up for more cycles, I think he may find his stride. The set looks great, I just think gold as the dominant color doesn't play well with me, but I shall adjust.
I don't know if I like (what I am referring to as) the "dance club" arrangement of the theme, still way better than the techno crap the Donnymid brought us.
I think after just one episode, I'll give this a B+.
Honestly, I think GSN has done a good job in taking classic properties like Press Your Luck/Whammy and the Newlywed Game and putting a fresh coat of paint on them and making them modern. Pyramid at first glance looks like it will fit that mold as well. I truthfully think that if GSN is going to go the way of more original programming, maybe they should try their hand at more modern updates of classic formats. They do seem to have success with those.
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Also, in the WC, on the subject of "Things you spread", you don't spread a "sandwich". That IMO should have gotten an immediate buzz because the clue did not fit the subject.
I just put mayonnaise on my sandwich. The sandwich has been spread with mayonnaise. I have a spread sandwich. I'm sure that's not what the route were thinking, but it fits.
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All jokes aside, my only gripe is the overabundance of Helvetica/Swiss/Arial/enter cheap sans-serif font here. Great that you're upping the prize budget but would it kill you to get a couple of font licenses? Doesn't have to be Clarendon or Bookman but have some creativity here.
As a font geek, agreed wholeheartedly.
My only complaints lie in the small details, which seems to be the consensus. One thing that looks awkward to me is Mike saying "Here is your first subject" and the first box not turning over. It's not until after he says "Go" and a pause of one or two seconds that we see the first subject.
All in all, very pleased with this.
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One thing that looks awkward to me is Mike saying "Here is your first subject" and the first box not turning over. It's not until after he says "Go" and a pause of one or two seconds that we see the first subject.
I don't like the pause either, but otherwise it wasn't so off-time as people think...very frequently Dick would start the "HERE is your first subject..." and then time his "Go!" with the turn completing.
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Apparently, I saw "Family Feud" and instantly hit record without bothering to see which time it was. I could've sworn I recorded the 10pm airing, but I evidently recorded the 10:30 airing. I was highly miffed when I came home this evening. Thank you Chad for the highlights.
From what I've seen, it looks like GSN is beginning to see the light. That looked excellent.
What was with the theme? I really liked it. I'm ready to go samba at a Latin dance club to this theme. A nice party theme. They should play it a bit louder.
Mike, from what I've seen, really fits. As I've said elsewhere, he really respects this role since he worked with Dick Clark. And with that respect it is translating into excellent hosting. He'll definitely improve and get into a groove as time goes on.
This is definitely appointment viewing for me.
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2) I know it was only the first episode shown, but I have to gripe on the "judges". On the category where the object were to guess the words from the Declaration of Independence, why are we giving credit for "happiness" for saying "happy"? I know in certain other categories, giving the root word is generally acceptable, but these words were played in context of "name these words found in the...". These words should have been in " " and credit should not have been given on "happiness" until the player "happiness".
With a new show, you pretty much have to do it this way. Otherwise you have the problem that Donnymid had with their judging. Anything that gets away from ticky-tack denying of points is a good thing, in my book.
Also, in the WC, on the subject of "Things you spread", you don't spread a "sandwich". That IMO should have gotten an immediate buzz because the clue did not fit the subject.
Absolutely not. You spread a sandwich with condiments. That's perfectly fine.
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Chad and Kevin, please report forthwith to receive your hookers and blow.
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Am I the only one who feels like the '80s sound effects need to be remastered or something? All the other effects sound crisp and clean while the buzzer and the WC clock sound like they're being played through a telephone. Also, a lot of people seem to have an issue with the zooming into the categories/Mike. I'd like to think they did that as a throwback to the Clark version whenever a category gets chosen. I'm on board with that. They just need to work on executing it a little better.
Other than that, I don't really have anything else negative to say. Mike was excellent, the players were top notch, the judging was on point. They treated the show with the same seriousness the Clark version did and I couldn't be happier with the results. I'm going back to watch the preview ep again because Monday can't get here fast enough.
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Passed words are handled the way they always should have been, if only it had been feasible in 1973. "7 of 7" graphic should go, and in the WC, the new category should open either before or at the same time as the old one closes and without the stupid whooshing noise... and yes, this is incredibly nitpicky because aside from the already-mentioned problem of hearing the music (it *really* needs to be louder at a win, especially) it's as near perfect as anything could be.
In the WC that was lost, was anyone else shouting "Larry Craig's stance?"
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Golly, that made me happy.
That sums it up nicely.
I do confess that just as the 1st WC round was starting and the "doot doot", etc. was heard, I almost deafened my wife when I shouted, "All RIGHT!".
Are you gonna be watching Mitt Romney or Pyramid?
From now on, when people start dumping on you, I'm gonna give them a hand.
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Also, in the WC, on the subject of "Things you spread", you don't spread a "sandwich". That IMO should have gotten an immediate buzz because the clue did not fit the subject.
I just put mayonnaise on my sandwich. The sandwich has been spread with mayonnaise. I have a spread sandwich. I'm sure that's not what the route were thinking, but it fits.
I am not sure if it is a Pittsburgh thing but we have a form of Ham Salad sold in stores labeled "Sandwich Spread" available at most delis and grocery stores. I was OK with them accepting that clue.
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Did anyone see if the giver's chair in the W/C had straps? Didn't look like it. Might seem trivial, but if you remember, they added those in later on Donnymid for whatever reason (hand posts weren't sufficient I guess).
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I thought I noticed straps in the preview clip Chad uploaded, but then again I also watched on my phone.
I actually liked the zoom-in to the categories. Seemed like a nice nuance...one of those smaller things you just don't see anymore.
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Also, in the WC, on the subject of "Things you spread", you don't spread a "sandwich". That IMO should have gotten an immediate buzz because the clue did not fit the subject.
I just put mayonnaise on my sandwich. The sandwich has been spread with mayonnaise. I have a spread sandwich. I'm sure that's not what the route were thinking, but it fits.
I am not sure if it is a Pittsburgh thing but we have a form of Ham Salad sold in stores labeled "Sandwich Spread" available at most delis and grocery stores. I was OK with them accepting that clue.
This sort of thing came to mind for me, although I'm not sure that it's specifically available around here. I believe that Miracle Whip is also described on its packaging as a "sandwich spread."
Anyway, when, in any version of the show, has saying one thing that doesn't totally fit the subject but is otherwise legal been an immediate buzz?
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Even though I've argued that some things shouldn't have been accepted, I grudgingly admit that it makes for better TV if you err a little on the side of accepting things. The "happy/happiness" incident makes me think of the occasional category of words with a specified number of letters, where Dick would give the special instruction that they have to give the exact word. This would have been a good place for such an instruction. Since they didn't have one, it's better to accept it.
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Even if I was a Mitt Romney supporter, his speech would have gotten bypassed for this. That was great work.
Put me in the camp of people who like the redone theme.
The set cold use a little more color- maybe a couple blues here and there would do the trick.
I agree that the old sound effects and the new ones sound totally different (They even played the old win bells for a WC win), but that can be changed fairly easily.
For a first timer, Mike was pretty good. I see him filling this role quite nicely.
GSN has had a decent amount of commercial success with remakes rather than total originals.
Embassy Row Productions doesn't get as much work as they should, and if I were GSN, I would go to Michael Davies, hand him a list of shows they've considered remaking, and let him have at it.
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This isn't a complaint, just noting a sign of the times. They've gone from telling you what show the celebrity is on to having to tell you what network carries it. I guess having that many channels will do that.
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I loved it. Smile on my face the whole time while watching it. I'm going to nitpick, though. And I'm going to nitpick about fonts. Because that's what I do. (Family Feud looks to be getting it right this season, staying far away from Arial.)
Let's get the score fonts right. The vane display-esque font on the main game score displays is not quite right. in terms of spacing When the display shows "11," the numerals shouldn't be immediately adjacent, they should stay in their fixed-width "container." Minor adjustment, but it would help with readability more than anything else. The old-school magnetic vane displays would not be too terribly hard to emulate on-screen with 10 minutes of work. Where's that game show font site when you need it?
Same font issue with the clocks on main game and WC, but it's more pronounced on the bigger monitors.
The main game words: Helvetica. Well done! Helvetica seems to be everywhere. I approve. I think Futura Bold may have been a better choice for some uses. At least it's not Arial.
I echo what someone said about the sound effects. The buzzer is particularly painful. Sounds like an MP3 I downloaded from Napster in 1998.
Mike will do just fine as host. I like the judging. I hated how Donnymid was so strict. I remember auditioning for Donnymid and they said, "you must give the answer exactly as we have written it or it doesn't count." Totally ridiculous.
Too bad the theme wasn't the '80s version. I think that would fit nicely. Maybe I will like the new theme if it's played louder and I can hear it. I am not a fan of the background music during the main game rounds. I don't think suspense needs to be added to the front game, save it for the WC. Minor though.
Somewhat random: I'm also tired of hosts giving the "dim the lights" direction. I caught the last 10 minutes of Beat The Chefs, and that direction was given by the host a couple times. Enough, really. This is not American Idol.
With "Here is your first subject" - I liked the little advantage that the clue-giver would get by seeing that category a half a second early. Reminds me of when Ludden/Kennedy would show the first word of Alphabetics to the clue-giver, let them get their clues, then start the game. We don't need it to that extent, but if Mike is giving the direction to show the category, then show the category.
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Loved it. Took the revival of my all-time favorite to get me back into the board.
Nitpicks are warranted but GSN got it right.
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Let's get the score fonts right.
Call me neutral on this but this isn't what gets my goat about the fonts.
The main game words: Helvetica. Well done! Helvetica seems to be everywhere. I approve. I think Futura Bold may have been a better choice for some uses. At least it's not Arial.
See, Helvetica seems to be everywhere is the problem to me; if it was a condensed font for the categories (if you're going to go Helvetica, stay inside the family and go Helvetica Neue Condensed/Condensed Bold) and Helvetica for the words, ok, but it's overload to me. Once again, yes, it's a nitpick but if you're going to upgrade certain things while keeping retro elements, here's a place where they could have spent a little bit of money.
With "Here is your first subject" - I liked the little advantage that the clue-giver would get by seeing that category a half a second early. Reminds me of when Ludden/Kennedy would show the first word of Alphabetics to the clue-giver, let them get their clues, then start the game. We don't need it to that extent, but if Mike is giving the direction to show the category, then show the category.
I say give it time. Hopefully, that will change.
One thing that I don't know was brought up but it's a nice addition in either post or live-to-tape - when a category is passed in the WC, it was immediately brought up on CG. No taking of cameras. Helped the flow, IMO.
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Of course, Helvetica is everywhere...to the point where there's a documentary on the subject. (http://"http://youtu.be/wkoX0pEwSCw")
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Anyway, when, in any version of the show, has saying one thing that doesn't totally fit the subject but is otherwise legal been an immediate buzz?
In any "PEOPLE WHO/THAT ARE ______" category, giving a clue that isn't a person resulted in an insta-buzz.
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Let's get the score fonts right. The vane display-esque font on the main game score displays is not quite right. in terms of spacing When the display shows "11," the numerals shouldn't be immediately adjacent, they should stay in their fixed-width "container."
Seconded. I did a double-take when the kerning broke every time a number ended in "1", and it's a stupid easy fix. (Fixed-width fonts are a sensitive subject right now here at Chez Fred, as I am trying to get a countdown timer app through cert for Windows Phone.)
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I have to tell you that after watching the intro about 25 or 30 times do far, the new Pyramid theme has really grown on me. The only side effect is feeling like I want to eat tacos after hearing it.
Also - after watching last night's 1st winner's circle with some audio enhancing equipment, I can confirm that they did not play the theme when he won the $20K. I hope it was just a mistake of some sort, because the lack of it produced an sonic emptiness while the celebrating was going on.
Other than that, everything else was fantastic - like seeing an old friend you have been in touch with for a long time.
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Thoroughly enjoyed it, and it is miles ahead of any GSN remake attempted so far.
Two little things that I noticed in the WC that never happened in any previous incarnation:
1) When switching/passing categories and they go to a wide shot of the pyramid board, the timer disappears.
2) When there is a Winners Circle win, you immediately hear the applause and the bells for a few seconds, yet it takes a while for the theme to slowly fade into the mix.
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I wonder who the announcer is on this version.
JD Roberto, according to someone at GSN.
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I agree that the old sound effects and the new ones sound totally different (They even played the old win bells for a WC win), but that can be changed fairly easily.
This reminds me of when the current version of Family Feud debuted. Certain sound effects, most notably the "time's up" buzzer from a steal conference (remember that?) and the double buzz for duplicates in Fast Money, sounded like they were being played inside a trash can.
Embassy Row Productions doesn't get as much work as they should, and if I were GSN, I would go to Michael Davies, hand him a list of shows they've considered remaking, and let him have at it.
I assume for argument's sake you are pretending Chain Reaction didn't exist.
Seriously, this opens up a realm of possibilities. What shows would you think would translate well with his style and other factors? (Like what would be accessible to the target audience(s), etc. Would today's viewers go for a general knowledge show like any of the B&E Three, for instance? Not that that would be on GSN's agenda, seeing how they regarded the original versions) I am assuming we have to go by what's in the Sony library.
/Though, I'd also recommend sending him to Fremantle and put him on a "making up for the 2000s decade" tour, stat...
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Anyway, when, in any version of the show, has saying one thing that doesn't totally fit the subject but is otherwise legal been an immediate buzz?
In any "PEOPLE WHO/THAT ARE ______" category, giving a clue that isn't a person resulted in an insta-buzz.
I haven't seen anything outside of the highlight reel, when they buzz an illegal clue in the WC, do they do once or a double buzz, ala the Davidson version? (One of the things Davidson's version did right, IMO, as you wouldn't confuse it with the time's up buzzer)
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I haven't seen anything outside of the highlight reel, when they buzz an illegal clue in the WC, do they do once or a double buzz, ala the Davidson version? (One of the things Davidson's version did right, IMO, as you wouldn't confuse it with the time's up buzzer)
Because I could totally see Davidson coming out from the sides exclaiming, "I'm sorry, time's up! Time's up? Times UP?!?" 10 seconds into the WC after an illegal clue was given.
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Ah, the Winner's Circle think tones. It just isn't "Pyramid" without them.
My biggest concern is what will happen when a tie occurs in the main game -- everything was moving along at a decent clip in this episode, and I'm worried how much they'll have to cut to cram a tie-breaker into the show's running time. I suppose when the celeb/contestant interviews go by in the blink of an eye, we'll know what's coming...
(Note that this concern is the result of one of the show's many positives -- no unnecessary extended dramatic pauses!)
The focus has been on "baggage handler" so far, but I'd say "cab driver" was even tougher. Isn't "taxi driver" the more common term? Or at least clue-able through the movie title? With those two plus the hard-to-quickly-convey "air traffic controller," that was shaping up to be as difficult as any proper name category.
Any version of "Pyramid" that gets me yelling clues at the TV is a-okay in my book. Great to see it back.
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I haven't seen anything outside of the highlight reel, when they buzz an illegal clue in the WC, do they do once or a double buzz, ala the Davidson version? (One of the things Davidson's version did right, IMO, as you wouldn't confuse it with the time's up buzzer)
Because I could totally see Davidson coming out from the sides exclaiming, "I'm sorry, time's up! Time's up? Times UP?!?" 10 seconds into the WC after an illegal clue was given.
Imagining the above made my day...
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That highlight reel got me to do something that's a rarity for me: pry open my wallet. Dirt cheap introductory rate plus good programming equals cash outlay.
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As someone who usually prefers originals over remakes, I really liked the new Pyramid. It seemed very genuine and not at all forced like Donnymid.
I guess the biggest gripe for me would be the theme, based on the report that they were using the '80s version of it. I don't see why it couldn't work. It didn't seem at all out of place in the clip from the '09 pilot.
It's kinda geeky, but for me, there's just something about either classic theme that makes it the perfect accompaniment for a jackpot win. In my opinion, there really aren't a lot of themes that evoke that kind of "YOU'RE WINNER!" emotion, and I think the old themes do that better than the new one does.
I suppose the new one will grow on me like the new Price theme, but regardless, not playing it for a win makes the whole thing seem rather lacking. I'd like to see it come back.
Looking forward to Monday when this thing's on regularly. Hopefully it sticks around for awhile because I really want to play.
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Of course, Helvetica is everywhere...to the point where there's a documentary on the subject. (http://"http://youtu.be/wkoX0pEwSCw")
Isn't Helvetica what was used in the 1973-1981 era of Pyramid? (Incidentally, what font did they use for the 1982-1988 front game words?)
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Hey guys - I just fixed the theme song issue during a winner's circle win. It's posted in the audio/video section.
It answers the question of how the 80's theme would have worked with the new set.
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(Incidentally, what font did they use for the 1982-1988 front game words?)
Bookman. Specifically Bookman Hd BT, if I'm not mistaken.
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Well done GSN & Michael Davies.
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Anyway, when, in any version of the show, has saying one thing that doesn't totally fit the subject but is otherwise legal been an immediate buzz?
In any "PEOPLE WHO/THAT ARE ______" category, giving a clue that isn't a person resulted in an insta-buzz.
That is a valid rebuttal to the way I phrased that, but it wasn't really what I was meaning. I was thinking more about clues that are not pointing to the key word/phrase or factually wrong. Certainly, every time someone misread a category in the 80s, it wasn't an instant buzz even if the clue given for the misread was not at all in the neighborhood of the right word.
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Seriously, this opens up a realm of possibilities. What shows would you think would translate well with his style and other factors? (Like what would be accessible to the target audience(s), etc. Would today's viewers go for a general knowledge show like any of the B&E Three, for instance? Not that that would be on GSN's agenda, seeing how they regarded the original versions) I am assuming we have to go by what's in the Sony library.
/Though, I'd also recommend sending him to Fremantle and put him on a "making up for the 2000s decade" tour, stat...
In an ideal world, he'd call up Monty Hall and inquire about Split Second.
However, in an ideal world, the new Pyramid would be a runaway hit (by digital-tier-cable standards), and encourage GSN to keep doing quality revamps of classics, and I've got the feeling that just isn't happening. Hope I'm wrong, but regardless, I'll just enjoy this block of 40 shows for all it's got.
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Seriously, this opens up a realm of possibilities. What shows would you think would translate well with his style and other factors?.
In an ideal world, he'd call up Monty Hall and inquire about Split Second.
In said ideal world, he'd also give Ron Greenberg a ring and ask about The Who, What or Where Game and its remake, The Challengers. Then he'd call Merrill Heatter and ask about High Rollers.
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Earlier on I asked about the Wheel of Fortune Bonus Round and Final Jeopardy because I was wondering if there's a way to condense the classic games into five-minute bridging segments. Which ones they would be and how to execute them I don't know.
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I assume for argument's sake you are pretending Chain Reaction didn't exist.
You know something? I hadn't looked at that show in a while and caught a few on the morning reruns recently. It's not as bad as I remember. The biggest problem was picking airheaded but attractive young buddies as their players. I'm betting the casting for Pyramid was considerably more...considered.
Seriously, this opens up a realm of possibilities. What shows would you think would translate well with his style and other factors? (Like what would be accessible to the target audience(s), etc. Would today's viewers go for a general knowledge show like any of the B&E Three, for instance? Not that that would be on GSN's agenda, seeing how they regarded the original versions) I am assuming we have to go by what's in the Sony library.
It'd never happen (which is why someone who actually uses the handle '40onTheBlue' didn't even mention it) but if they were to want a quirky, fun and surprisingly fast-moving little game that's already a part of the Stewart library they bought, I know a nice gem that had a solid three-year run in the early seventies and hasn't been touched since.
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In said ideal world, he'd also give Ron Greenberg a ring and ask about The Who, What or Where Game and its remake, The Challengers. Then he'd call Merrill Heatter and ask about High Rollers.
Another Greenberg candidate would be "The Big Showdown". GSN would have no problem keeping the stakes exactly the same as in the original (Top Prize = $10,000). Heck, doubling the 1975 stakes could fit their budget too!
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Seriously, this opens up a realm of possibilities. What shows would you think would translate well with his style and other factors? (Like what would be accessible to the target audience(s), etc. Would today's viewers go for a general knowledge show like any of the B&E Three, for instance? Not that that would be on GSN's agenda, seeing how they regarded the original versions) I am assuming we have to go by what's in the Sony library.
It'd never happen (which is why someone who actually uses the handle '40onTheBlue' didn't even mention it) but if they were to want a quirky, fun and surprisingly fast-moving little game that's already a part of the Stewart library they bought, I know a nice gem that had a solid three-year run in the early seventies and hasn't been touched since.
Well played. ;)
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I'd also like to see a remake of Bob Stewart's "Eye Guess". I think it would hold possibilities for some edgy humor ... especially with a smart comedian as host.
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In said ideal world, he'd also give Ron Greenberg a ring and ask about The Who, What or Where Game and its remake, The Challengers. Then he'd call Merrill Heatter and ask about High Rollers.
Another Greenberg candidate would be "The Big Showdown". GSN would have no problem keeping the stakes exactly the same as in the original (Top Prize = $10,000). Heck, doubling the 1975 stakes could fit their budget too!
I'd like to see a revival of TBS as well. Since the top prize is so rarely hit, would the possibility of a million on the first roll be such an outlandish idea?
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Somebody on a $100,000 Pyramid fan page on Facebook had been in the audience and said they used the original 80's theme in the studio for the taping of the preview episode. While I enjoyed the new theme in rewatching the episode I know I can hear the 80's tambourine come through a little when Mike Richards is introduced. At first I thought I was imagining things but I bet when they dubbed in the new theme post-production they couldn't get the 80's theme completely out of the introduction of Mike.
Interesting? To me, yes. To anybody else? Probably not at all haha.
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There have been some good suggestions for revivals but I think we are missing an obvious one which is 'Password'.
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I'd like to see a revival of TBS as well. Since the top prize is so rarely hit, would the possibility of a million on the first roll be such an outlandish idea?
Since there is a 1/36 chance of winning the top prize via show-down on the first roll, you'd be giving away an average of $27,778 an episode just for million dollar wins.
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Since the top prize is so rarely hit, would the possibility of a million on the first roll be such an outlandish idea?
One in 36 (as rjaguar3 already mentioned) and you're probably going to make 40 episodes your first time out. That's a little too close for my tastes, and I'd bet even an insurance policy would be pretty pricey. $100,000 might be feasible, but you run the risk of making the rest of your end game for a mere $5k look cheap.
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Somebody on a $100,000 Pyramid fan page on Facebook had been in the audience and said they used the original 80's theme in the studio for the taping of the preview episode. While I enjoyed the new theme in rewatching the episode I know I can hear the 80's tambourine come through a little when Mike Richards is introduced. At first I thought I was imagining things but I bet when they dubbed in the new theme post-production they couldn't get the 80's theme completely out of the introduction of Mike.
Interesting? To me, yes. To anybody else? Probably not at all haha.
After remaking the theme myself & editing in the 80's theme to the 1st new winner's circle win, I definitely find that interesting... I also think they probably sped up the 80's theme in the studio in order to "hit the post" when Mike Richards begins his opening speech.
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The sped-up version of the theme sounds like something I'd expect to hear in a parody of the show, unfortunately.
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I'd also like to see a remake of Bob Stewart's "Eye Guess". I think it would hold possibilities for some edgy humor ... especially with a smart comedian as host.
In this day of double-entendres and Steve Harvey channeling Bill Cosby's Funny Surprised Face every other question, you'd think, wouldn't you?
Since the top prize is so rarely hit, would the possibility of a million on the first roll be such an outlandish idea?
Normally I'd rate this lower, but I see you already got a few bites, so 9/10.
There have been some good suggestions for revivals but I think we are missing an obvious one which is 'Password'.
Probably because it was just attempted within the last five years.
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Since the top prize is so rarely hit, would the possibility of a million on the first roll be such an outlandish idea?
Normally I'd rate this lower, but I see you already got a few bites, so 9/10.
C'mon Chris. In the original Big Showdown, it was hit either once (that I saw) or twice and there were 26 weeks of shows. So out of aprox. 130 shows the top prize was not hit all but two times. The odds are that it would come up more often (once every 36 shows) but it did not work out that way.
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One in 36 (as rjaguar3 already mentioned) and you're probably going to make 40 episodes your first time out. That's a little too close for my tastes, and I'd bet even an insurance policy would be pretty pricey. $100,000 might be feasible, but you run the risk of making the rest of your end game for a mere $5k look cheap.
Notwithstanding that I find the idea of rolling dice for a million dollars farcial on its face, I plugged the numbers into WolframAlpha.com, and found out that there is a 32% chance that absolutely no one would roll Show Down on the come-out roll in forty episodes. Unless you're willing to pay $700,000 over the life of the show's run to offset a million bucks, I can't see that happening.
Chris Lemon, for tamping down internet idiocy, come forth to receive your hookers unt blow.
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Notwithstanding that I find the idea of rolling dice for a million dollars farcial on its face, I plugged the numbers into WolframAlpha.com, and found out that there is a 32% chance that absolutely no one would roll Show Down on the come-out roll in forty episodes. Unless you're willing to pay $700,000 over the life of the show's run to offset a million bucks, I can't see that happening.
Take it a step further. My numbers show there is a 37.3% chance of exactly one Show Down in 40 eps. Thus, there is an almost 30% chance that there will be multiple Show Downs in 40 shows.
I ran 1000 simulations of 40 sets of shows on one of my fancier calculators. 31.3% of the time had no Show Downs. 37.6% had one instance. 20.1% (over one in five) had 2 wins. 8.8% had 3 wins. Hell, I even had one result of 6 wins in 40 shows. If you were GSN (or any other network with a limited amount of money, for that matter), is it worth the almost 30% risk that you will pay out a super-huge jackpot multiple times?
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C'mon Chris. In the original Big Showdown, it was hit either once (that I saw) or twice and there were 26 weeks of shows.
...for $10,000, or double the jackpot paid for hitting it after the fact, not One Million Damn Dollars.
But you know this because you are trolling, so shame on me for engaging you at all.
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C'mon Chris. In the original Big Showdown, it was hit either once (that I saw) or twice and there were 26 weeks of shows. So out of aprox. 130 shows the top prize was not hit all but two times. The odds are that it would come up more often (once every 36 shows) but it did not work out that way.
To paraphrase a caller on Who Ya Crappin: Stop trollin'.
Answer me where you're going to find a budget for said giveaway. Possibilities shenanigans of yours aside, tell me how this is good ROI on a cable channel.
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is it worth the almost 30% risk that you will pay out a super-huge jackpot multiple times?
To which I say "ask the people who produced Russian Roulette, because there's your answer." Two many people win the $100,000 prize and in response the show guts the really awesome bonus game and leaves in place a really bog standard multiple choice affair. Weak sauce.
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is it worth the almost 30% risk that you will pay out a super-huge jackpot multiple times?
To which I say "ask the people who produced Russian Roulette, because there's your answer." Two many people win the $100,000 prize and in response the show guts the really awesome bonus game and leaves in place a really bog standard multiple choice affair. Weak sauce.
That's different since winning Russian Roulette's bonus isn't a random outcome, like rolling Show and Down. The producers don't know beforehand how likely someone is willing to risk $10K at a worst case scenario 1 in 6 shot at $100K, unless an interview question is "Would you risk $10,000 on a 1 in 6 shot to make $100,000?".
What percent of $10K winners took the $100K risk in that first season? I don't recall many people winning the first bonus round.
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C'mon Chris. In the original Big Showdown, it was hit either once (that I saw) or twice and there were 26 weeks of shows. So out of aprox. 130 shows the top prize was not hit all but two times. The odds are that it would come up more often (once every 36 shows) but it did not work out that way.
To paraphrase a caller on Who Ya Crappin: Stop trollin'.
Answer me where you're going to find a budget for said giveaway. Possibilities shenanigans of yours aside, tell me how this is good ROI on a cable channel.
I have a feeling too many of us approach game shows with an eye of a producer rather than one of the viewer. What hooked people on WWTBAM? The questions, the format or the possibility that someone could win one million dollars?.
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Answer me where you're going to find a budget for said giveaway. Possibilities shenanigans of yours aside, tell me how this is good ROI on a cable channel.
I have a feeling too many of us approach game shows with an eye of a producer rather than one of the viewer. What hooked people on WWTBAM? The questions, the format or the possibility that someone could win one million dollars?.
Way to not answer the question.
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Answer me where you're going to find a budget for said giveaway. Possibilities shenanigans of yours aside, tell me how this is good ROI on a cable channel.
I have a feeling too many of us approach game shows with an eye of a producer rather than one of the viewer. What hooked people on WWTBAM? The questions, the format or the possibility that someone could win one million dollars?.
Way to not answer the question.
To answer Nick's question, the budget is determined by how much the producers want to spend. To me, to do 40 shows, you'd need a prize budget equal to the highest payout per show. If it's not won, you could fund more shows with the overage or use it for other things. The return on investment would be what you could charge advertisers for reaching more eyeballs than a show with a smaller audience. Sony and Liberty media are not hurting for money. Sony invests millions in movies that could flop and Liberty is about to take over Sirius/XM. I think Howard Stern alone makes about $40 mil now. How is that good ROI?
In checking further, I guess Liberty is no longer involved with GSN. I missed that press release. But Direct TV also makes enough money to fund a high-budget show. And to take into consideration that the top prize is seldom won, it's not that far-fetched. Alternatively, you could make shows until you run out of budget, so if your budget is, say, $3 million, make shows until the top prize is won three times.
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Where's the Tylenol?
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Where's the Tylenol?
I've never seen a discussion group so averse to discussion.
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Aw jeez, not this shit again!
Just when I thought we were past this.
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Somebody has posted the full episode on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmGm75fJRvI
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The ignore button makes the headaches lessen. I'm tired of really good threads getting detailed by catching the bait.
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To me, to do 40 shows, you'd need a prize budget equal to the highest payout per show.
Good thing you're not a producer then.
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To me, to do 40 shows, you'd need a prize budget equal to the highest payout per show.
Good thing you're not a producer then.
So, how would you budget for a game show?
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So, how would you budget for a game show?
God help me, I'm gonna try this.
If you're a producer, your goal is to get as many of your shows greenlit as you can, because that maximizes the amount of money you can make. Speaking purely in prize budgets (a gross simplification, but the concepts that follow can be extrapolated to the entire production, so why not), there are two things that can kill you: a) underbudgeting and then getting canned prematurely when it's discovered that your show costs more than you represented that it does, and b) overbudgeting and therefore b1) your show doesn't get picked up due to whoever balking at the unnecessary extra cost or b2) you are unable to mount another, potentially more successful show because you have too much of your finite budget tied up unnecessary in this one.
You are assuming the maximum payout every single time, which, while safe, is stupid; as such you are doomed to failure; see b) above.
So the trick is in finding that sweet spot between a) and b), and the way you (should) do that is through LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of research and trials. With enough trials, you should be able to get a decent idea of a) the average payout-per-show and b) how that might fluctuate due to a run of good or bad luck. So if it's me, I then set the budget-per-show at (that average payout) + (a reasonable percentage representative of that fluctuation).
Is that 100% safe? No, but no investment is. But (assuming a constant return) minimizing your investment while maintaining a level of comfortable risk is how you maximize your own ROI. The best producers are the ones who can minimize that "comfortable risk" padding without getting bitten by it over the long run.
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*takes notes for future career*
/Could you go back to the 2nd slide, Professor?
//Never mind, I got it.
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See, as a 14 year old kid, budgeting didn't concern me much. I thought they had enough to cover it. I didn't worry that Don Lipp had to pay out $10,000 every couple days on "Money Maze" and only twice during the entire run on TBS, I just thought it was exciting when people won.
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See, as a 14 year old kid, budgeting didn't concern me much. I thought they had enough to cover it. I didn't worry that Don Lipp had to pay out $10,000 every couple days on "Money Maze" and only twice during the entire run on TBS, I just thought it was exciting when people won.
Wait, so you ask the question, someone answers it, and then you dismiss the answer with a "Ah, I really don't care about budgeting anyway?"
And this after bitching that nobody wants to have a discussion?
I'm not sure if that's a troll move or a dick move, but I damn well know it's one or the other.
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So, how would you budget for a game show?
For one I wouldn't be so risk averse to assume that the grand prize is going out the door every day.
Why should I engage you? You've made it clear that you have no interest in actually having a discussion and prefer to inhabit your own plane of reality, since when somebody dares to prick your solipsistic bubble you just brush it away.
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See, as a 14 year old kid, budgeting didn't concern me much. I thought they had enough to cover it. I didn't worry that Don Lipp had to pay out $10,000 every couple days on "Money Maze" and only twice during the entire run on TBS, I just thought it was exciting when people won.
Wait, so you ask the question, someone answers it, and then you dismiss the answer with a "Ah, I really don't care about budgeting anyway?"
And this after bitching that nobody wants to have a discussion?
I'm not sure if that's a troll move or a dick move, but I damn well know it's one or the other.
I answered Nick's question about how I would handle budgeting. I would start with enough budget to cover costs. When Travis said that was implausible, I asked how he would do it. To me, if you're gonna offer a big prize, you better have enough to cover the cost.
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Jimmy: you were the one who offered One Million Dollars on a single roll of the dice, not us.
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To me, if you're gonna offer a big prize, you better have enough to cover the cost.
Which reinforces Travis's assessment of...
Good thing you're not a producer then.
...because with that mindset you would be exceptionally bad at it.
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I don't know if anyone caught this, but while watching the 1st winners circle of the sneak peek episode, I noticed that the contestant was mouthing some of the clues at the same time the celebrity was giving them.
In particular, look at the contestant's mouth during the last 3 subjects... You can see him mouthing Pretty Woman, sandwich, mayonnaise and bra strap (the latter clue is clearly visible).
Any thoughts about this?
You can take a look at either my WC video on this board or the preview on BuzzerBlog and form your own opinion....
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I noticed that the contestant was mouthing some of the clues at the same time the celebrity was giving them.
I'm pretty sure his lips are just quivering or moving nervously. He does it pretty much the whole round.
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I don't know if anyone caught this, but while watching the 1st winners circle of the sneak peek episode, I noticed that the contestant was mouthing some of the clues at the same time the celebrity was giving them.
After looking at the video, I think you're seeing things. Yes, his lips are quivering, but they don't even come close to mouthing the words you say.
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Watched the whole episode finally...another thing I noticed is that Mike does not ask in the 5th and 6th category who wants to give/receive. Yet they do allow the decision, as they didn't alternate again. Ditto for the WC. Nitpicky thing, but hopefully they do address the rule on air so people know what's going on. Only Pyramid purists would remember that each team has the option choice in their last category.
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Ditto for the WC.
Mike commented on it the second WC, I believe. And it wasn't like it was ever asked specifically on the Clark show either.
Seriously, folks, you guys are reaching.
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Seriously, folks, you guys are reaching.
This. We're searching for things to complain about, and we have only seen one episode.
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Mike commented on it the second WC, I believe. And it wasn't like it was ever asked specifically on the Clark show either.
Wasn't it always Dick saying "I see Charlie has the screen, do you want to keep it that way?" or a similar ad-lib. It wasn't this big deal of "Now since this is the third category of the round the contestant gets to choose whether to give or receive. Sally, which do you want?"
There are a few directorial/camera work choices to criticize, but the game is there. The people who are picking the scab here are so eager to find something different that they're missing out on a classic game re-imagined for today and it is done fairly well.
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Wasn't it always Dick saying "I see Charlie has the screen, do you want to keep it that way?" or a similar ad-lib.
Yes, which is why I was specifically commenting on the give/receive decision in the Winner's Circle and not the who-gives-in-round-three one.
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Ditto for the WC.
Mike commented on it the second WC, I believe. And it wasn't like it was ever asked specifically on the Clark show either.
Seriously, folks, you guys are reaching.
He did but didn't formally ask which way the team wanted to play it.
I remember $10K episodes where Dick asks the team that won about "the $10,000 decision" (about giving/receiving) before they walked to the WC. Maybe some Cullen $25K's too. These moments became scarcer by the time they got up to $20K.
I said it was a nitpick, it didn't hurt the entertainment value of the show for me.
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Wasn't it always Dick saying "I see Charlie has the screen, do you want to keep it that way?" or a similar ad-lib.
Yes, which is why I was specifically commenting on the give/receive decision in the Winner's Circle and not the who-gives-in-round-three one.
But even with the latter, Dick would come to ask "Do you want to give or receive?" all the time.
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But even with the latter, Dick would come to ask "Do you want to give or receive?" all the time.
You have a really interesting definition of "all the time".
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But even with the latter, Dick would come to ask "Do you want to give or receive?" all the time.
You have a really interesting definition of "all the time".
OK, most of the time.
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OK, most of the time.
You are talking about a "custom" that by your own admission was quickly going the way of the dodo by the mid-late 1970s.
Try again.
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OK, most of the time.
You are talking about a "custom" that by your own admission was quickly going the way of the dodo by the mid-late 1970s.
Try again.
No, I meant the question re: WC became extinct. It remained prevalent in the main game.
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No, I meant the question re: WC became extinct.
...which is what I've been speaking to this entire time.
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No, I meant the question re: WC became extinct.
...which is what I've been speaking to this entire time.
Sorry, got a bit mixed up, obviously...
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I was away and forgot to tape the first "official" episode Monday night, But GSN will probably repeat it often enough. They always do.
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I was away and forgot to tape the first "official" episode Monday night, But GSN will probably repeat it often enough. They always do.
I made the same mistake (forgot about the time zone issues), and according to Tivo's listings it looks like they are running two hours on Friday at 5:00P (PDT, dammit) that I would bet a nickel are repeats of Monday-Thursday, especially since the guests are still Yvette Nicole Brown and Danny Pudi. (And this looks like a regular thing at least for a little while, as the same thing is happening the following Friday.)
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I thought I noticed straps in the preview clip Chad uploaded, but then again I also watched on my phone.
Just for the record, on the Tuesday 9/4 show, we have definitive proof of the existence of straps.
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Saw the Tuesday 9/5 show. In the first WC round, I wonder if for "Things that are tender" they could've gotten with "Elvis Presley's Love" as a clue.
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Maybe, but I thought of "loving care". (BUZZ!) Tender and loving are synonyms, it turns out.
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Adolph's-treated steak?
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Adolph's-treated steak?
"A well-aged steak."
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"A mother's caress"?
"Legal currency"?
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"Legal currency"?
I suspect this may be a problem, since in context "tender" and "currency" are synonymous.
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A juicy steak. A fresh wound (or wounded skin).
Would "chicken strips" fall into buzzable territory, a la "French potatoes"?
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Would "chicken strips" fall into buzzable territory, a la "French potatoes"?
Well, like a juicy steak, chicken strips could also be described as tender.
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Would "chicken strips" fall into buzzable territory, a la "French potatoes"?
I don't think they'd buzz it, because chicken is frequently described as tender. For that reason, it's not much of a clue, though. If "French potatoes" were legal, it would work precisely because it's out of left field and makes you think twice. I'd think of battered and fried long before making the association with tender.