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Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: xavier45 on October 25, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
This is all from Buzzerblog:

Mondays
7pm: Million Dollar Password
8pm: Power of 10
9pm: 1 vs. 100
10pm: Millionaire
11pm: Deal or No Deal

Tuesdays
7pm-12am: The Newlywed Game

Wednesdays
7pm-12am: Baggage

Thursdays
7pm-12am: Deal or No Deal

Fridays
7pm: Match Game '74
8pm: The $25,000 Pyramid
9pm: Card Sharks (Perry)
10pm: Family Feud (Dawson)
11pm: The $100,000 Pyramid

Saturdays
7pm-930pm: Family Feud (Karn)
930pm-Midnight: Family Feud (O'Hurley)

Sundays:
7pm-12am: Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?

Some interesting changes there to say the least. I'm really surprised to see classics getting not only a Primetime slot, but a whole 5 hour block in Primetime. It will be interesting to see what the ratings for this will be.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Stevek83 on October 25, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
I was frowning while reading this...until I scrolled down to Friday :)
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 25, 2011, 11:21:30 PM
Definitely some outside-the-box thinking.  Heck, why not try anything?
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on October 26, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
The "Spaghetti Test" it is then. Throw everything you've got onto the schedule, and see what sticks.  

I'd have to imagine that a strong showing by the older series on Fridays would probably have a not-insignificant effect on GSN's willingness to license the older series. And regardless, five hours of the older stuff in prime real estate on the network is just plain spiffy.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Craig Karlberg on October 26, 2011, 03:07:31 AM
At least GSN's trying something diffrent.  I kinda expected what the primes looked liked untill I saw Friday's schedule.  If this Friday schedule holds up, thos is what we need.  Something to at least counter the Hub's 7PM ET slot of Family Game Night anyways.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: catnap1972 on October 26, 2011, 07:49:12 AM
I was frowning while reading this...until I scrolled down to Friday :)

Yea, but unfortunately it's likely to be the same ten-times-retread episodes they've run into the ground already.

(then again, maybe it's like Seth said--if it works, maybe they'll open the wallet)
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 26, 2011, 11:24:54 AM
I'd have to imagine that a strong showing by the older series on Fridays would probably have a not-insignificant effect on GSN's willingness to license the older series.
The problem with that line of reasoning is that there's significant evidence that's not going to happen.  If the older series were going to provide a "strong showing", they would have done so already.  I think this is more a "be grateful for what we have" situation.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: aaron sica on October 26, 2011, 03:12:54 PM
After reading about the schedule changes on Buzzerblog, just for kicks I went over to the GSN forums to see what was said. Big mistake as my head spun for about an hour. :P

If the forum is to believed, people "in the know" are saying that by this time next year, all classics (i.e. MG, FF) will be gone.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if all classics (including MG and FF) are gone come next year.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 26, 2011, 03:30:35 PM
If the forum is to believed, people "in the know" are saying that by this time next year, all classics (i.e. MG, FF) will be gone.
And, um, what makes these people so "in the know?"
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: aaron sica on October 26, 2011, 03:34:52 PM
If the forum is to believed, people "in the know" are saying that by this time next year, all classics (i.e. MG, FF) will be gone.
And, um, what makes these people so "in the know?"

They have "sources", but refuse to identify them.

Sorry, that invalidates the whole argument.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 26, 2011, 03:37:20 PM
They have "sources", but refuse to identify them.
Then I would suggest the forum is not to be believed.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2011, 03:39:54 PM
But given the direction that GSN is going, what if they are right? What if all pre-1990s game shows (including 70s MG and 70s FF) are gone come next year?
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 26, 2011, 03:57:24 PM
But given the direction that GSN is going, what if they are right? What if all pre-1990s game shows (including 70s MG and 70s FF) are gone come next year?
It would suck since those two have aired on GSN for years (since day 1 I believe), but there's always Youtube. At least if I want to watch the games without extended commercials, pop-ups and credit squeezes, I have that choice.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 26, 2011, 04:03:14 PM
After reading about the schedule changes on Buzzerblog, just for kicks I went over to the GSN forums to see what was said. Big mistake as my head spun for about an hour. :P

If the forum is to believed, people "in the know" are saying that by this time next year, all classics (i.e. MG, FF) will be gone.
Your post made me go back and check that place out.  Once upon a time I said that we shouldn't be going around talking trash about other forums, but man, comparing that level of debate to grade schoolers is an insult to grade schoolers.

"billycw" over there is the de facto leader of the VERY vocal "GSN is crap because they won't air classics" bandwagon. He probably has the e-mail addresses of some low-level GSN staffers who share their opinions about what's going on, which he then reports as "inside sources" fact, especially when he can use it to support his singleminded cause.  Given that this new person just started her programming job, I think it's probably a bit early to be talking about large, sweeping things that are definitely going to happen.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 26, 2011, 05:20:33 PM
But given the direction that GSN is going, what if they are right? What if all pre-1990s game shows (including 70s MG and 70s FF) are gone come next year?
Erm, then I'll continue watching one of the myraid of other cable options at my disposal, assuming at that time I am even still a cable subscriber at all?

It'll be ok. Really. It'll be just fine.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2011, 05:34:08 PM
I know it's not the end of the world, I just was giving my thoughts on what those people on GSN forums were thinking.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 26, 2011, 05:55:25 PM
You sure fooled me, then. Maybe you should append some sort of offsetting language like "Hey, I wonder if they're thinking this:" instead of just coming out and saying it.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: catnap1972 on October 26, 2011, 06:19:43 PM
But given the direction that GSN is going, what if they are right? What if all pre-1990s game shows (including 70s MG and 70s FF) are gone come next year?

Then I guess they resort to airing "The Nanny" 24/7.  Can even keep the GSN name (Got Some Nanny) to boot!
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: xavier45 on October 26, 2011, 09:51:04 PM
There is actually another poster on those boards named Faceo15, who actually believes that he had a chance at becoming the VP of GSN. And he also says the same thing that Billycw is saying. Either these guys know something or they are losing their minds. I'm going with the latter.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on October 26, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
[The problem with that line of reasoning is that there's significant evidence that's not going to happen.  If the older series were going to provide a "strong showing", they would have done so already.  I think this is more a "be grateful for what we have" situation.

Oh, make no mistake, I don't believe that Eubanks CS' drawing 400k viewers is going to lead to a double run of To Tell the Truth 1980, 7 days a week at 5PM, or something as near-absurd.  But everything about this scheduling move reeks of a new programming head coming in, seeing what they currently have, and wanting to see what can work so they have some idea of what type of programming to run and to invest in.  

If, when the changeover happens, the classics go out and perform poorly while Baggage and Newlywed do 400+, then that's what you'll see on the network.  If suddenly Richard Dawson and Gene Rayburn generate huge viewer totals in primetime, it's going to make any programming head worth their salt more willing to invest in those and similar shows. Likely? Heck no.  But it's been several years since any of the older series have really been even *tried* in prime time (They did a run of late-prime Match Game 5 years or so ago, and Family Feud on Sundays a few years back that were in prime on both coasts, and the 2008 NYSI/Trivia Trap hour aired in late-prime on the west coast, but it's been a while on them all) so at the very least, it's a shot.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2011, 11:13:23 PM
This was also the same person who said that his teacher told him that credit crunchers are illegal, and that he thinks he has every right to speak for everyone.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: J.R. on October 26, 2011, 11:24:16 PM
This was also the same person who said that his teacher told him that credit crunchers are illegal, and that he thinks he has every right to speak for everyone.
No offense, but you really don't have much room to be criticizing other posters.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Jimmy Owen on October 27, 2011, 05:13:11 AM
The block scheduling may be a response to what they see as the available audience.  Older people would be more likely to stay at home on the weekends, so why not show programs that appeal to them?  If you put on younger demo shows when younger demos aren't home, you'll get lower ratings for those shows.  Even the big networks virtually abdicate Saturday night with repeats when they're not airing sports of some sort.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: jjman920 on October 28, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
When I saw Friday, my jaw dropped. I never thought I'd see classics in primetime ever again. What a pleasant surprise. I can't watch since I'll be working (-_-), but I definitely would if I could (and I haven't been a regular watcher since 2009).

As for no classics by next year...I'm not buying it. It seems that there is always this constant fear that the channel is going to drop the classics, but I just don't see it happening, and it has not happened yet. The classics founded the channel and I don't think they can just throw them by the wayside after 17 years. Just as The Price is Right keeps the G-T Asterisks surrounded by a myriad of other changes and TVLand keeps the classics surrounded by a myriad of newer additions, GSN will hold on to some of the classics.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: FACEO15 on October 28, 2011, 11:14:07 AM
This was also the same person who said that his teacher told him that credit crunchers are illegal, and that he thinks he has every right to speak for everyone.

To not show credits is illegal and don't talk about me behind my back! GOT IT! I've been over at the GSN boards since 2001.  

Also, whoever the hell started the rumors about me as VP of Programming need to grow up.  Where is that coming from?  I said someone who interviewed with the network who was a big believer in variety and restoring the classics.  Enough with the rumors and backstabbing of people.  

Classics are on their last legs right now through my constant communications with David Goldhill because financially they aren't helping the network.  Maybe some of you should try talking to executives at GSN like I have been doing for the past few months.  They respond to emails.

All of you GROW UP!!!
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 28, 2011, 12:01:58 PM
Mmm...popcorn.

/still the 85/86 season of $25,000 Pyramid?
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 28, 2011, 12:12:03 PM
For those of you who might wonder what inspired Faceo to show his face-o around here for only the second time ever, it appears that Casey Abell posted a link to this thread over in the GSN thread about the demise of classics, creating an infinite loop of discussion about game show discussion.

Seems only fair that I return the favor (http://"http://www.gsn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2969"), though as you've been cautioned already, some of this is likely to make your head spin.

For the record, what Faceo actually said about the GSN position was, "Wish I could have taken the job, but my own company needs me more than GSN currently."  Elsewhere, he's also taken credit for GSN programming changes.  Literally, "You can thank me for the recent schedule change."  However, my favorite is, "A journalist can't reveal his sources. That's against policy for many newspapers and media industries," which is a really interesting take on the journalism profession.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Phil V on October 28, 2011, 12:15:48 PM

To not show credits is illegal . . . .


Oh yeah?  Could you provide a Bluebook appropriate citation to the California statute (or Hell, Federal statute for that matter) that addresses the legality of credit crunching?  I'd love to see it.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 28, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
To not show credits is illegal and don't talk about me behind my back! GOT IT! I've been over at the GSN boards since 2001.  
Borrowing a page from a good guy and my close personal friend since 1982, Chris Lemon:

Or.

Else.

What.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Johnissoevil on October 28, 2011, 01:50:35 PM

To not show credits is illegal


To make such a claim as this gets you detention and/or suspension in whatever school you're using a computer from.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 28, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
To not show credits is illegal
Um, no. Not even close.

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and don't talk about me behind my back! GOT IT!
Lolz (http://"http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110621182525/callofduty/images/2/20/Kobe-U-Mad.jpg").

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I've been over at the GSN boards since 2001.
Did you start there already off the deep end, or did it happen at some point along the way?
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 28, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
To not show credits is illegal
That means all four of Seattle's local news broadcasts violate "the law" about eight times a day. And you're the one telling us to grow up.

(Where did that little gem about legality of credits come from? Some basement dwelling reprobate?)
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on October 28, 2011, 03:32:45 PM
To not show credits is illegal and don't talk about me behind my back! GOT IT! I've been over at the GSN boards since 2001.  

As of 10/28/2011, there is no legislation on the books covering the proper display of television program credits in the United States of America or in the state of California.  Given that GSN has been cutting to the next program during the middle of the credits for *six* years, and given that they're typically between the 40th and 50th most watched TV network in America, (putting them in the upper third of programming choices) it stands to reason if they were in violation of some arcane rule about the transmission of credits that they'd have been fined already. Other countries, territories, and locales may have varying legislation, but there's no federal or California law regarding the matter.  At this point, If you're going to continue to assert otherwise, please provide the relevant code or statute number.  

And as someone who's been a participating member of the aforementioned GSN-hosted forum for just as long as you have: What's your point? Do you think tenure on another forum, let alone one as migraine-inducing, automatically gives you some sort of advanced standing here?  When you move from one site to another, regardless of the field of discussion, on a *good day* you have to build your credibility nearly anew.  And for what it's worth, one's opinion doesn't automatically become more valid due to longevity.  Ten years just means you have endurance on the subject matter, not that anything actually said is valid.

Also, whoever the hell started the rumors about me as VP of Programming need to grow up.  Where is that coming from?
I said someone who interviewed with the network who was a big believer  in variety and restoring the classics.  Enough with the rumors and  backstabbing of people.  
I can't think of a (http://"http://www.gsn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2969&p=39171#post39171") single (http://"http://www.gsn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2937&p=38856#post38856") thing (http://"http://www.gsn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2554&p=33960#post33960") (three links, read all three) you've said that would give people the impression you considered yourself a candidate for the position. Nope, nothing.


Classics are on their last legs right now through my constant communications with David Goldhill because financially they aren't helping the network.  
I don't have access to GSN's financials, but I seriously doubt it cost GSN too terribly much to lease the approx. 400 episodes each of Feud, Match Game, Card Sharks, and Pyramid that they currently have broadcast rights to.

The current lease for Pyramid was signed in 2009 and based on present and past timeslots (stronger slots = greater ad revenue) and who's advertising during the program they've already more than paid for themselves. Ratings are strong, ad sales appears to be going well.  It's doing quite well for itself. As for the other three? 1200 episodes out of the immense Goodson library, even if Fremantle got a little overconfident in their asking price, just isn't going to cost *that* much compared to leasing most any other show.

In the two years of the current lease the shows have had even worse slots than Pyramid (vintage Feud only screens at 9a ET on weekdays, after all), and even with no promotion and in the worst slots on the schedule grid they still draw relatively strong numbers given the time of day, demographics involved, and the network's profile.  Fun fact: A show airing at 9a Eastern (6a Pacific) typically won't generate the same ad revenue as a show airing at 9p Eastern (6p Pacific). Imagine that.


Maybe some of you should try talking to executives at GSN like I have been doing for the past few months.  They respond to emails.
I'd actually be more than willing to do this. I get a genuine thrill out of being proven wrong. Assuming they (Mr. Goldhill specifically) actually have spoken to you, I'd love to know what they've actually said to you. I get the distinct impression (again, having been a GSN.com forums member for ten years myself) that if there actually was a message, that either part of it was misunderstood or ignored.  

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All of you GROW UP!!!
Exactly how do you think grown ups actually communicate their disagreements with one another?  Because so far all I see are a bunch of people calling shenanigans and asking for proof of claims that range between questionable and outright baffling...and someone whose response was to repeat those claims over again, accuse people of "backstabbing" (We're not...we're confronting you to your face, the polar opposite of backstabbing), and then tell people to grow up.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 28, 2011, 03:39:30 PM
This was also the same person who said that his teacher told him that credit crunchers are illegal, and that he thinks he has every right to speak for everyone.

To not show credits is illegal and don't talk about me behind my back! GOT IT! I've been over at the GSN boards since 2001.
I work in news, and have done so for more than 6 years. I've also worked on a few talk shows for the local PBS station. In all the time I've spent working on newscasts and talk shows, I think my name has shown up in the credits approximately once. ESPN doesn't show them at all, except during their movies and documentaries, and come to think of it, neither do the cable news channels. If what you're saying is true, then about 95% of the TV stations or networks in this country would be subject to an FCC investigation.

And yes, I'd love to see my name at the end of the show. Hell, I'd love to see closing credits get the 20-30 seconds they deserve, instead of being reduced to between 1/2-1/8 of the screen. But, it appears I'm in the minority, so I have no choice but to move on. The networks that practice credit squeezing usually get skipped on my remote. Problem solved.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: FACEO15 on October 28, 2011, 06:13:33 PM
So basically what everyone is saying is that little old me can't know anything about what is going on at GSN.  Ok, believe what you want.  

I have a list of 10 people including family and friends who work from GSN who are employed who talk with me.  I wonder where the information is coming from now?  Nobody is or never will be named. I never should have said a word to anyone about what was going on, but I felt I needed to with the classic fans at least.

And I said I wished I was able to be programming director, not going to be.  There is a major slander issue going on over here for putting words in my mouth in which I never said.  Falsely accusing people of things they aren't doing along with attacking them are not called for.  

Nobody should be attacked for sharing information that they received for nothing.  Matt, I would hope you say the same.  As the moderator on this board, I would like what people are saying to be cleaned up and taken down or we will have an issue.  There shouldn't be any attacking of people on any board for any reason whatsoever.

In regards to credits, you need to have some form of credits beginning or ending with a show on tv which could also be some form of an opening title.  If you want the tv teachers and professors information for this, I guess the 3 colleges and high schools in my area are teaching wrong information in classrooms and lectures today! I'm not saying everyone has to be listed, but there needs to be some form. To the person bringing up this stupid issue from 6 years ago, not called for.  You clearly aren't understanding what I was saying at all.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 28, 2011, 06:36:45 PM
So basically what everyone is saying is that little old me can't know anything about what is going on at GSN.
No, I believe I called you out with regard to one very specific issue.

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In regards to credits, you need to have some form of credits beginning or ending with a show on tv which could also be some form of an opening title.  If you want the tv teachers and professors information for this
Yes. Yes, I do. I would like to know their sources.

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I guess the 3 colleges and high schools in my area are teaching wrong information in classrooms and lectures today!
If this is in fact what they are teaching, yes, this is the case.

You're a fun little monkey, you are!
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 28, 2011, 07:32:46 PM
May I?

So basically what everyone is saying is that little old me can't know anything about what is going on at GSN.
 

No, everyone is saying you don't. Not that you can't, that you don't. Difference.

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I have a list of 10 people including family and friends who work from GSN who are employed who talk with me.

I think that number may be exaggerated. And if they're talking to you about I have a feeling they might be in violation of their employment contracts.

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I wonder where the information is coming from now?

...didn't you just tell us?

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I never should have said a word to anyone about what was going on, but I felt I needed to with the classic fans at least.

Contradictory much?

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And I said I wished I was able to be programming director, not going to be.  There is a major slander issue going on over here for putting words in my mouth in which I never said.  Falsely accusing people of things they aren't doing along with attacking them are not called for.  

The term you're looking for is "libel" and good luck making that stand up in court.

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Nobody should be attacked for sharing information that they received for nothing.  Matt, I would hope you say the same.  As the moderator on this board, I would like what people are saying to be cleaned up and taken down or we will have an issue.  There shouldn't be any attacking of people on any board for any reason whatsoever.

1) that's not the reason why you're being "attacked"
2) threats will ALWAYS get you what you want...

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In regards to credits, you need to have some form of credits beginning or ending with a show on tv which could also be some form of an opening title.

More to the point, the bolded portion invalidates your entire point. As long as the opening title is intact, then you have no reason to complain.

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I'm not saying everyone has to be listed, but there needs to be some form.

And according to your contradictory statements, there is. So stop whining.

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To the person bringing up this stupid issue from 6 years ago, not called for.

You know, YOU didn't have to come here and try to defend yourself, you know.

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You clearly aren't understanding what I was saying at all.

How can you say that when you don't even understand what you're saying.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: pacdude on October 28, 2011, 07:52:23 PM
I have a list of 10 people including family and friends who work from GSN who are employed who talk with me.  I wonder where the information is coming from now?  Nobody is or never will be named. I never should have said a word to anyone about what was going on, but I felt I needed to with the classic fans at least.

Huh. (http://"http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltjo6ns7b21qb5n36o1_r1_500.gif")
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Phil V on October 28, 2011, 08:15:34 PM
And I said I wished I was able to be programming director, not going to be.  There is a major slander issue going on over here for putting words in my mouth in which I never said.  Falsely accusing people of things they aren't doing along with attacking them are not called for.
Ooo, I want this one!

Black's Law Dictionary, (9th ed. 2009), slander:
1. A defamatory assertion expressed in a transitory form, esp. speech. • Damages for slander — unlike those for libel — are not presumed and thus must be proved by the plaintiff.
2. The act of making such a statement. See DEFAMATION. Cf. LIBEL

Black's Law Dictionary, (9th ed. 2009), libel:
1. A defamatory statement expressed in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast.

Since you clearly meant libel, by your own twisted logic, every time someone points out a flaw in another person's argument, the former is guilty of libel, which would mean that virtually every person in the country could be sued for it.  I don't think disagreement equates to defamation, even for someone as thin-skinned as you.

For someone who claims that they have and use reliable sources, you clearly, uh, don't use reliable sources when you argue/whine/whatever.

I would like what people are saying to be cleaned up and taken down or we will have an issue.
I'd say there already is an issue.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 28, 2011, 10:10:54 PM
I don't think disagreement equates to defamation, even for someone as thin-skinned as you.
Because it doesn't. Now I could defame you while disagreeing with you, but the two aren't necessarily overlapping sets. And even then you have to prove damages in some way. "That guy hurt my feelings" is not damages.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: xavier45 on October 28, 2011, 10:19:35 PM
I have a list of 10 people including family and friends who work from GSN who are employed who talk with me.  I wonder where the information is coming from now?  Nobody is or never will be named.
First it was a 3 people, then it was David Goldhill, and now it's 10 Friends and Family Members who are telling you stuff. I wonder what excuse you will use next.

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I never should have said a word to anyone about what was going on, but I felt I needed to with the classic fans at least.
You actually didn't say anything, at first. It was "Billycw" who was the first to say something. Then for whatever reason, you wanted to jump on his bandwagon.

Now for some advice. This coming from someone who knows first hand. Step back, take a breath, and step away from the computer before you did an even bigger hole for yourself.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: NickS on October 29, 2011, 03:36:28 PM
I see it as GSN trying to schedule as your other cable networks are doing: marathon-style block programming where the shows are more of a weekly than a daily.  Spaghetti programming but it's different and gives them the option to try some different shows.

Regarding the old v. new - the problem is always going to be that you have a smaller subset that wants more of the classics... and unless GSN Classic is introduced, the reality is that it ain't going to happen.

/FACEO: Seriously?  Defamation?  "Good luck!  You're going to need it!" (http://"http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsvmgaW6np1qbtoa8o1_500.jpg")
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Tim L on October 30, 2011, 11:28:41 AM
INow for some advice. This coming from someone who knows first hand. Step back, take a breath, and step away from the computer before you did an even bigger hole for yourself.

Too Late..

Guys like Face are the main reason I don't go to the GSN boards anymore..
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Phil V on November 04, 2011, 11:12:24 AM
So, based on the buzzerblog schedules, are the $25K and $100K Pyramids still from the same block of episodes they've already been airing?
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: SRIV94 on November 04, 2011, 03:24:50 PM
So, based on the buzzerblog schedules, are the $25K Pyramids still from the same block of episodes they've already been airing?
Yes.  They've been airing 771 (9/2/85) through 977 (6/17/86).  So they're starting with the 3/26/86 and 3/27/86 episodes.

Not sure about the $100K ones (don't follow that version as closely), but I would assume so.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Allstar87 on November 04, 2011, 11:09:22 PM
Not sure about the $100K ones (don't follow that version as closely), but I would assume so.

For $100K Pyramid, they've been airing 371 (9/7/87, start of the 8th tournament) to 550 (the 9/2/88 finale).

The block does indeed begin with episodes from that range; the 9/14/87 & 9/15/87 episodes will air first.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: gamed121683 on November 06, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
IDK, sounds they ripped a page of the Nick at Nite playbook and they're pulling a "Block Party Summer" on us.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: xavier45 on December 03, 2011, 11:07:49 AM
Ratings have been posted for the last two weeks of the new GSN schedule. And right now, the classics are holding their own. The winners out of the Friday marathon looks to be The $25,000 Pyramid and Card Sharks. Here's the ratings from the last two Fridays:

November 18th:

6:30pm: Baggage (259,000)
7:00pm: Match Game (172,000)
7:30pm: Match Game (213,000)
8:00pm: The $25,000 Pyramid (298,000)
8:30pm: The $25,000 Pyramid (328,000)
9:00pm: Card Sharks (262,000)
9:30pm: Card Sharks (301,000)
10:00pm: Family Feud (190,000)
10:30pm: Family Feud (257,000)
11:00pm: The $100,000 Pyramid (238,000)
11:30pm The $100,000 Pyramid (245,000)
http://thevoiceoftv.com/nielsen-tv-ratings/gsn-ratings-november-14-20-2011/

November 25th:

6:00pm: Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (324,000)
7:00pm: Match Game (238,000)
7:30pm: Match Game (270,000)
8:00pm: The $25,000 Pyramid (348,000)
8:30pm: The $25,000 Pyramid (381,000) 6th most watched show for the week
9:00pm: Card Sharks (371,000) 10th most watched show for the week
9:30pm: Card Sharks (343,000)
10:00pm: Family Feud (253,000)
10:30pm: Family Feud (250,000)
11:00pm: The $100,000 Pyramid (258,000)
11:30pm: The $100,000 Pyramid (236,000)
http://thevoiceoftv.com/nielsen-tv-ratings/gsn-ratings-november-21-27-2011/
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on December 03, 2011, 12:07:29 PM
I hate to be opening a can of old Worms, or being a douchebag, but I think it's disappointing that even if an older show (from the 70s like Match Game for example) gets the best ratings ever, it will not convince GSN to go back and get more episodes. They think it's a smarter business move to run the same episodes to the ground, and manage to achieve the exact same ratings. I thought they'd be more like an independent DVD company that licenses classic TV-on-DVD from big companies (like Shout! Factory for example), and if the show does well, logically, they'll go back and get more seasons/episodes.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: TLEberle on December 03, 2011, 12:35:13 PM
They think it's a smarter business move to run the same episodes to the ground, and manage to achieve the exact same ratings.
Because it is a smarter business play for them.

/Nobody likes me.
//Everybody hates me.
///Guess I'll go
////Aw, you know the rest.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Tim L on December 03, 2011, 12:47:06 PM
Based on the ratings I am seeing here, "New" episodes would probably not get much higher ratings than what you have already.."New" episodes would probably cost them, and wouldnt give the same return..So it is a better business deal for them,,
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: clemon79 on December 03, 2011, 01:32:27 PM
I hate to be opening a can of old Worms, or being a douchebag
But you're so *good* at it! Go with your strengths, I say.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on December 10, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Has anyone noticed how many mistakes are made on the Friday night game show airings?  I mainly notice it during Pyramid, but most everytime during the first commercial break, the show will start over for about 20 seconds and then the show picks up where it should have been in the winners circle.  The GSN staff must really be partying on Friday nights because they sure can't handle the tape machine.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: xavier45 on December 15, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
More changes are being made within the next few weeks. Million Dollar Monday and Flashback Friday are both being replaced, the latter will continue to be Classic. Mondays will now be Original Monday, starting next week with 5 hours of Engvall Lingo. December 26th will be Chain Reaction, January 2nd will be Whammy!, January 9th is Woolery Lingo, and January 16th is Catch 21. Also, starting next week, Fridays will now have 5 hours of The $100,000 Pyramid.

Also there are some minor updates as well. On January 2nd, High Stakes Poker, Chain Reaction and The $25,000 Pyramid all leave the schedule. And Dancing with the Stars debuts Saturday, January 21st at 6:00pm with back to back episodes. It will also rerun Sunday afternoons at 1:00pm.

All this comes from Buzzerblog's Facebook page.
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: Jay Temple on December 15, 2011, 11:24:32 PM
Also, starting next week, Fridays will now have 5 hours of The $100,000 Pyramid.
The one slightly good thing to come out of this, if they do what they were doing before, would be seeing a tournament from start to finish. (On 12/31/03, they ran a marathon of nothing but complete tourneys. That actually jump-started my tape collection.)
Title: GSN makes Big Primetime Changes
Post by: chrisholland03 on December 16, 2011, 03:58:37 AM
I'd rather poke myself in the eye for 5 hours than endure 5 hours of Bill Engvall.