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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: chad1m on January 13, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
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USA Today announced (http://\"http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/01/bill-engvall-to-host-new-version-of-lingo-on-gsn/1\") that Lingo is being revived to air on GSN. In repeats since 2007, the new season will be hosted by comedian Bill Engvall and will begin airing in June 2011.
So the good news is that Lingo's back! It's not really bad news that Bill Engvall is the host, it's more like, why? There's not much personality needed to host this one, so while Engvall is talented at what he does, I think he seems out of place here.
(Here's (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/01/13/gsn-launches-production-on-lingo-hosted-by-comedian-bill-engvall-953514/20110113gsn01/\") the GSN press release for anyone who wants it.)
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Ron White and Larry the Cable Guy are, sadly, still without game shows of their own.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/en...-lingo-on-gsn/1 (http://\"http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/01/bill-engvall-to-host-new-version-of-lingo-on-gsn/1\")
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This one has me scratching my head a bit. I know the trend is to hire comedians as hosts*, but Chuck was only what, 3 years removed from the show? I wonder if he's retired or if GSN thinks he's too "old"?
Hiring Bill for a word game is a really odd move...
*/Or in GSN's case, stars of 80s primetime dramas :-P
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'254631\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 04:03 PM\']Ron White and Larry the Cable Guy are, sadly, still without game shows of their own.[/quote]
There's still hope; they haven't cast the HPoA yet.
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i hope the bonus round stays the same
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[quote name=\'JacksonBrowne1980\' post=\'254635\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 04:26 PM\']i hope the bonus round stays the same[/quote]
I kinda want them to go back to the original one, but it's mainly because I thought Commissioner Sunil from National Bingo Night got short-shrifted and he could use a new gig.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'254636\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 07:41 PM\'][quote name=\'JacksonBrowne1980\' post=\'254635\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 04:26 PM\']i hope the bonus round stays the same[/quote]
I kinda want them to go back to the original one, but it's mainly because I thought Commissioner Sunil from National Bingo Night got short-shrifted and he could use a new gig.
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NO LINGO! (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxHzZU9vNVY&feature=related\") Love it.
Good game, glad to see it back. GSN seems to be on a roll again.
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It's about time!!! This show should've never ceased first-run production in the first place back in 2007, even if Chuck Woolery didn't want to continue hosting it.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254632\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 07:14 PM\']This one has me scratching my head a bit. I know the trend is to hire comedians as hosts*, but Chuck was only what, 3 years removed from the show? I wonder if he's retired or if GSN thinks he's too "old"?[/quote]
My first thought is that on a channel dominated by reruns, including absurdly frequent Lingo reruns, seeing a new guy at the helm immediately tells you this is a new version.
The original "No Lingo" bonus round ruled. The $64,000 win that circulates is among the most exciting things I've ever seen on a game show, tempered only a little by the knowledge that the couple never got their money.
Also, I get to be the first person in the thread to say it: Please bring back Shandi.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'254641\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 09:23 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254632\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 07:14 PM\']This one has me scratching my head a bit. I know the trend is to hire comedians as hosts*, but Chuck was only what, 3 years removed from the show? I wonder if he's retired or if GSN thinks he's too "old"?[/quote]
My first thought is that on a channel dominated by reruns, including absurdly frequent Lingo reruns, seeing a new guy at the helm immediately tells you this is a new version.
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That actually crossed my mind after I posted, and that definitely makes sense. Still a bit odd to go from a traditional game show host to one of the Blue Collar guys, but that's the business nowadays so...
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'254641\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 06:23 PM\']The original "No Lingo" bonus round ruled. The $64,000 win that circulates is among the most exciting things I've ever seen on a game show, tempered only a little by the knowledge that the couple never got their money.[/quote]And by comparison, the GSN version's bonus is completely anticlimactic. Either the team tears through the bonus round and makes the grabbing of balls pointless, or the team only gets a couple of words and the team has to fluke into winning the grand prize.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'254646\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 07:29 PM\']Either the team tears through the bonus round and makes the grabbing of balls pointless[/quote]
'Scuse me? (http://\"http://www.southdacola.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/gazza.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254632\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 04:14 PM\']This one has me scratching my head a bit. I know the trend is to hire comedians as hosts*, but Chuck was only what, 3 years removed from the show? I wonder if he's retired or if GSN thinks he's too "old"?
Hiring Bill for a word game is a really odd move...
*/Or in GSN's case, stars of 80s primetime dramas :-P[/quote]
There could be that possibility that Chuck was probably offered to return, but declined.
There's hope it could be decent, but I doubt we'll see anything new outside of a set change and new eye candy, and still the same dumb contestants they had in the original run.
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i hope it's the bonus lingo round they will use
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GSN is bringing back "Lingo," this time with former Blue Collar comedian Bill Engvall:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/462410...all_As_Host.php (http://\"http://www.multichannel.com/article/462410-GSN_Revives_Lingo_With_Bill_Engvall_As_Host.php\")
I've talked to him several times, and he's one of the better comedian-as-host choices. (I assume the pilot he had with Mo Rocca tanked.)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'254641\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 09:23 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254632\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 07:14 PM\']This one has me scratching my head a bit. I know the trend is to hire comedians as hosts*, but Chuck was only what, 3 years removed from the show? I wonder if he's retired or if GSN thinks he's too "old"?[/quote]
My first thought is that on a channel dominated by reruns, including absurdly frequent Lingo reruns, seeing a new guy at the helm immediately tells you this is a new version.
The original "No Lingo" bonus round ruled. The $64,000 win that circulates is among the most exciting things I've ever seen on a game show, tempered only a little by the knowledge that the couple never got their money.
Also, I get to be the first person in the thread to say it: Please bring back Shandi.
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I agree about Shandi. Wonder why the $64,000 couple never got their money. Another reason for possibly not using Chuck is that Bill Engvall probably doesn't command as high a salary.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'254641\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 09:23 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254632\' date=\'Jan 13 2011, 07:14 PM\']This one has me scratching my head a bit. I know the trend is to hire comedians as hosts*, but Chuck was only what, 3 years removed from the show? I wonder if he's retired or if GSN thinks he's too "old"?[/quote]
My first thought is that on a channel dominated by reruns, including absurdly frequent Lingo reruns, seeing a new guy at the helm immediately tells you this is a new version.
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If that is the case they should dow what Mark Goodson & NBC did in '84 and call it something like 'Super Lingo' even if the changes in game play are minimal.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'254771\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 12:51 PM\']If that is the case they should dow what Mark Goodson & NBC did in '84 and call it something like 'Super Lingo' even if the changes in game play are minimal.[/quote]
I know you keed, but a slight title change is not a bad idea. I was simply thinking "The (All-)New Lingo". It's been a while since there's been a revival to call itself "The New" something. ;-)
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"Here's Your Sign: The All-New Lingo."?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254774\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 01:10 PM\'][quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'254771\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 12:51 PM\']If that is the case they should dow what Mark Goodson & NBC did in '84 and call it something like 'Super Lingo' even if the changes in game play are minimal.[/quote]
I know you keed, but a slight title change is not a bad idea. I was simply thinking "The (All-)New Lingo". It's been a while since there's been a revival to call itself "The New" something. ;-)
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Blue Balls! The All New Lingo
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What have I done. :-P
/Thought Shop Til You Drop from '96 was the last show to have a "New" title
//Forgot all about Whammy!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'254783\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 01:46 PM\']//Forgot all about Whammy![/quote]
And now I'll make you un-forget Temptation, all though I think its "new" billing was unofficial.
/What is forgotten can be unforgotten
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'254779\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 11:20 AM\']"Here's Your Sign: The All-New Lingo."?[/quote]
Nah, They are saving that title for when Bill Engvall hosts "Here's Your Sign: The All-New 'Bumper Stumpers'".
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'254807\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 05:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'254779\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 11:20 AM\']"Here's Your Sign: The All-New Lingo."?[/quote]
Nah, They are saving that title for when Bill Engvall hosts "Here's Your Sign: The All-New 'Bumper Stumpers'".
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Or Maybe "Stop Sign: The All-New Bumper Stumpers"
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[quote name=\'JacksonBrowne1980\' post=\'254820\' date=\'Jan 15 2011, 10:13 PM\']Or Maybe "Stop Sign: The All-New Bumper Stumpers"[/quote]
Oh no you di'int!!!111one
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You know what meme hadn't been dead long enough? Old game show colon the new wacky subtitle. I miss that.
(Good grief.)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'254834\' date=\'Jan 16 2011, 02:02 AM\']You know what meme hadn't been dead long enough? Old game show colon the new wacky subtitle. I miss that.
(Good grief.)[/quote]
Not Again! The All New We'd-Better-Stop-'Cause-We're-Pissin'-Off-Travis
\Note how I take the high road and use an exclamation point instead of the lower-class colon.
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Who was it that came up with the idea of "Deuces! The All-New Card Sharks" I remember reading about that on the forum celebrating Bob Eubanks' 73rd birthday.
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I think I would be a good idea to add a couple of things, but still keep the essence of the game...
For example, the current Netherlands version has these additions I'd use:
-A jackpot in the front game. There are three green balls in each teams bowl, drawing one means they pick again. Get all three, they win a bonus of €100 times the number of regulation words solved in the game- and it then resets so the other team can win it (which has happened- doesn't count towards the score).
-10-letter words. After every couple of regular words, they show the teams a scrambled 10-letter word and then unscramble 3 letters. Every few seconds another letter is put into it's proper space, and a team can buzz in. If correct, the team gets €10 per letter still incorrectly placed.
-A silver ball in the bonus round. If they draw this, they have the option of ending the bonus round early and winning half the bonus round jackpot.
they have other differences:
a team can try to steal an opposing word at anytime. A correct answer doubles the score, a incorrect one halves their score.
The bonus round jackpot is now €1000 per word completed in the bonus round itself. It's cut the payoffs down a lot from before- it was a straight €5000 for a Lingo, or €7500 for a diagonal Lingo- since they play with 6- or 7- letter words. Most teams usually get 2-4 words in the bonus.
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What the...
-Jason
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The French version of Lingo, Motus, has recently popped up on the France 1ere channel on my dish, and I'm quite enjoying it. Here's why:
1. Challengers get to pick the length of the word for the day - 8, 9 or 10 letters.
2. Motivation to actually score a Motus - *both* boards reset back.
3. Last word is worth 100 points - quite often game is close enough to warrant this relevant.
4. SuperPartie: need to clear 10 words off in the bonus to win the jackpot - time is associated with length of words - longer words warrant more time. Have time left over? Get one more word in the time remaining and score 1000 Euros more.
5. Champs can stay a max of three shows.
Of note... it's been on French morning television for *20* years.
R.
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'255258\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 07:52 PM\']3. Last word is worth 100 points - quite often game is close enough to
warrant this make the rest of the game irrelevant.[/quote]
Fixed that for you.
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Well played Mr. Lemon. :)
Upon retrospect, the last word isn't very necessary, but often the game gets in anywhere from 5-8 words in the entire show. This is due to the fact that you have a 5 minute bonus round, and the French shows generally don't mind using game time to talk a lot.
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The host of Motus appears to be the most laid back man in the entire world.
This is not particularly relevant but amuses me all the same.
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If anyone here is interested in giving it a shot, applications are being accepted (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/tfr/2243391254.html).
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http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/rules-to-gsns-updated-lingo-leaked/
Quite a few changes have been made to the game. Here are a few of the big changes:
-Clues will now be given to each word
-There are now three rounds, round 1 will have 3 words, Round 2 will have 4 words, and round 3 will have 3 words
-Every correct word is now worth money. Round 1, correct guesses are now $100. Round 2 they are worth $200, and Round 3 is $500.
-Prize balls have been added
Now Bonus Lingo has also been changed:
-The winning team has 90 seconds to solve 5 words
-Each correct word is worth money. First correct word matches what they won in the main game. After that, the money is then doubled for every correct word. If a team can guess all 5 words in 90 seconds, they will then win $100,000. There are no bonus letters except for the first word, and there are no clues.
Nothing else was reported on being changed, so it looks like the rest of the game stays the same. BTW, there will be no co-host.
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It's more than Lingo...it's Lingo Plus!???
It's the word game you've played all your life, but never quite like this???
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Now Bonus Lingo has also been changed:
-The winning team has 90 seconds to solve 5 words
-Each correct word is worth money. First correct word matches what they won in the main game. After that, the money is then doubled for every correct word. If a team can guess all 5 words in 90 seconds, they will then win $100,000. There are no bonus letters except for the first word, and there are no clues.
I will be very interested in seeing how this plays out, because five in 90 doesn't seem at face value to be a crazy-impossible thing to do. A big question I have would be whether you still only get five chances on each word. I'm assuming that you'll only get the initial letter instead of two letters.
It also appears that the five-in-a-row element of the basic game has now been rendered even less relevant.
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It also appears that the five-in-a-row element of the basic game has now been rendered even less relevant.
That's fine with me. I never much cared for the filling of the bingo card on the GSN version. The problem is that there's only ten words and the rounds are 1-2x-5x, so I suppose that's kinda washed out. I'd prefer lots and lots of game play, and by teams who are able to use the yellow circled letters plus some word knowledge to be able to solve a word rather than stand there blankly.
My main problem with the balls was that sometimes your reward for solving the word was losing your turn. That seems remarkably counter-intuitive.
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Can't a revival of a game show be just that? A revival with little or no game change. Pyramid is a great example of how to screw up a great game show (and we won't discuss the MG/HS Hour).
Here's a concept: a game show without a crane, black or dark set, game play with fun interaction and no editing! The Jimmy Fallon Password segments have nailed it - minus the music. Game play, fun, and the show moves (and it's 30Rock based too). If they can do it, why can't Sony/Fremantle?
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The Jimmy Fallon Password segments have nailed it - minus the music.
Do you genuinely think, in 2011, if those Password segments were extended out to a half-hour show, that people would watch?
I suggest that you are utterly deluded if you do.
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The Jimmy Fallon Password segments have nailed it - minus the music.
Do you genuinely think, in 2011, if those Password segments were extended out to a half-hour show, that people would watch?
I suggest that you are utterly deluded if you do.
If it were treated properly, yes, I do think it would succeed. Take the extremes out of the Fallon bits, you do have a good, workable concept. Have I seen worse? Yup. Even Million Dollar Password was horrible. It didn't succeed because of everything the Fallon pieces have - non edited, off the cuff fun with true wordplay. Not everything needs a 20 part toteboard and a million dollars with jib shots and stagnated pauses.
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...Not everything needs a 20 part toteboard and a million dollars with jib shots and stagnated pauses.
Stagnated Pauses--I loved them. Wasn't their second album the one with nine different covers of John Cage's 4'33"?
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If it were treated properly, yes, I do think it would succeed.
Then see "deluded, utterly".
Not everything needs a 20 part toteboard and a million dollars with jib shots and stagnated pauses.
I don't disagree with this - to a point. For example, and I've said this before, bring back The $25,000 Pyramid with a set that calls back to the original version (or a reasonable facsimile thereof - for example, the set for that Tim Vincent pilot when they were pining to get the LMaD timeslot would be just fine) and the same format, and I think it could work. But '60s Password doesn't. And I love the game of Password; it's one of my all-time favorites. But a half-hour behind a single unadorned desk, pretty much three static shots, a broken scoring system, and a repetitive, bone-dry format? No way.
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If it were treated properly, yes, I do think it would succeed.
Here's the problem with that. If you believe that "treated properly" means "wholly lifting the staid gameplay of the original version," then it will crash and burn and be gone in 13 weeks. MDP had plenty of problems, but there was a good game in there.
If you were to take any two people on the board here and say "how would you revive Password?" you'd get different answers. I'd have lots of sub games and changing parts built around the clue/guess mechanic. Other people really like the Password Puzzle idea. I thought that the Cashword was implemented brilliantly in the most recent version, but there were other things that I didn't care for.
Can a revival be just the game with little or no change? Yeah, I guess, but if the show was that great shakes it would still be on the air, wouldn't it?
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Can a revival be just the game with little or no change? Yeah, I guess, but if the show was that great shakes it would still be on the air, wouldn't it?
I don't think that this part of the claim can be justified- this seems to be too mechanical, and has an implicit premise (the program left the air, ergo something's the matter with format) that can not be generically justified.
At the same time, however, the fact that every version of Password since the start of Password All-Stars has differed significantly from the original format is telling. Goodson-Todman didn't(usually, at least)tinker with formats just to tinker.
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I don't think that this part of the claim can be justified- this seems to be too mechanical, and has an implicit premise (the program left the air, ergo something's the matter with format) that can not be generically justified.
No, but you could objectively say that The Price is Right is better than a show that isn't on the air, because TPIR still has a home and Scrabble and Sale of the Century don't. Or for GSN, there's a reason that we're still getting series of The Newlywed Game and Catch 21, but Russian Roulette and Whammy petered out.
There are nuances and things like how the cable series usually does 65 episodes at a time, but the better shows will squeeze out the ones that don't. The fact that Lingo lasted for six of those series counts for something.
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According to Buzzerblog, Lingo will air at 8pm EST starting June 6th, following new eps of Baggage which also start airing on that date. This is currently when Drew Carey's Improv-a-Ganza airs. I wonder what happens to that show.
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So they had a second couple winning $100K on Lingo Tuesday night, 6/21. It's exciting, but I have to think they're giving away $100K here but the top prize on GSN's 1 vs. 100 was $50K. It should've been the other way around.
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This is again why you do run-throughs. I'm willing to seriously wager that this series has gone way over budget.
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I would hope that they knew what they were getting into with that top prize. They wouldn't even need run-throughs -- they've got dozens and dozens of previously-taped bonus rounds to which they could refer.
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I don't disagree with this - to a point. For example, and I've said this before, bring back The $25,000 Pyramid with a set that calls back to the original version (or a reasonable facsimile thereof - for example, the set for that Tim Vincent pilot when they were pining to get the LMaD timeslot would be just fine) and the same format, and I think it could work. But '60s Password doesn't. And I love the game of Password; it's one of my all-time favorites. But a half-hour behind a single unadorned desk, pretty much three static shots, a broken scoring system, and a repetitive, bone-dry format? No way.
If they could get people like the adorable and witty comedienne and writer Tina Fey and internationally respected motion-picture actor Robert deNiro to keep playing, yeah, it might work as a prime-time half-hour. If it regresses to Al Roker and some woman from Access Hollywood, heavens no.
Fallon's people hit upon an interesting point: Watching celebrities play a parlor game makes better TV than another tired, shilling late-night interview.
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I would hope that they knew what they were getting into with that top prize. They wouldn't even need run-throughs -- they've got dozens and dozens of previously-taped bonus rounds to which they could refer.
Yeah, aside from the lack of at-will bonus letters, the bonus round isn't any different from what they did before, and five-in-ninety seems awfully easy even for average players. I saw a win the other day where clearly average players won the jackpot and made it look easy.
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I notice that the U-Verse listings now stop claiming that Chuck Woolery is the host of the new episodes, and even include the original airdates (makes it easy to tell which episodes are new, although I assume it's safe to say that the M-F 8 PM episodes are the new ones?). Have any other listings (e.g. TiVo) had this problem before now?
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Yeah, aside from the lack of at-will bonus letters, the bonus round isn't any different from what they did before, and five-in-ninety seems awfully easy even for average players. I saw a win the other day where clearly average players won the jackpot and made it look easy.
All you need to do to win that bonus game is to go into the game with the most basic of strategy, and play fast. Keep spitting out words. The ones who have no hope are the contestants that take even a 2-second break in between word guesses.
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Are there just the five words in the bonus game? If not, then yes, spam away and guess like you can guess no more. If there are just the five words, then maybe slowing down a pinch would be a good idea.
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All you need to do to win that bonus game is to go into the game with the most basic of strategy, and play fast. Keep spitting out words. The ones who have no hope are the contestants that take even a 2-second break in between word guesses.
It's not always easy to think up a word with the right letters, or at least one that doesn't have any letters you already know aren't in the word. Also, remember that you only get five chances at each word.