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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: opimus on November 08, 2010, 06:37:34 PM
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What are the chances of Randy getting a fill in spot?
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[quote name=\'opimus\' post=\'250472\' date=\'Nov 8 2010, 06:37 PM\']What are the chances of Randy getting a fill in spot?[/quote]
It wouldn't surprise me if he did. Randy's a great announcer, as evidenced from what we've heard, so if I were the producer's of Wheel, I'd contact him.
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Is Mr. West still working on The Newlywed Game? If so, wouldn't he have a non-competitive clause in his contract?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'250482\' date=\'Nov 8 2010, 07:47 PM\']Is Mr. West still working on The Newlywed Game? If so, wouldn't he have a non-competitive clause in his contract?[/quote]
Nope, they have some guy named Gary as the announcer now.
BTW, it seems as though Charlie was edited out of tonight's episode. I know Charlie announced the last set of Vegas episodes. Did he miss any of the last week?
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BTW, it seems as though Charlie was edited out of tonight's episode. I know Charlie announced the last set of Vegas episodes. Did he miss any of the last week?
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anyone know why they would do that (not opinions, but a real reason)?
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[quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'250487\' date=\'Nov 8 2010, 06:22 PM\']BTW, it seems as though Charlie was edited out of tonight's episode. I know Charlie announced the last set of Vegas episodes. Did he miss any of the last week?[/quote]
anyone know why they would do that (not opinions, but a real reason)?
Because they don't want to have someone who died just a week ago announcing their shows, especially when the hosts paid tribute to him not three days previous?
Naw, far too logical. Must be something much more fanciful.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250525\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 02:09 PM\'][quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'250487\' date=\'Nov 8 2010, 06:22 PM\']BTW, it seems as though Charlie was edited out of tonight's episode. I know Charlie announced the last set of Vegas episodes. Did he miss any of the last week?[/quote]
anyone know why they would do that (not opinions, but a real reason)?
Because they don't want to have someone who died just a week ago announcing their shows, especially when the hosts paid tribute to him not three days previous?
Naw, far too logical. Must be something much more fanciful.
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Saturday night's Wheel episode had Charlie announcing.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'250526\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 11:26 AM\']Saturday night's Wheel episode had Charlie announcing.[/quote]
Saturday night's shows are known repeats.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250525\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 02:09 PM\'][quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'250487\' date=\'Nov 8 2010, 06:22 PM\']BTW, it seems as though Charlie was edited out of tonight's episode. I know Charlie announced the last set of Vegas episodes. Did he miss any of the last week?[/quote]
anyone know why they would do that (not opinions, but a real reason)?
Because they don't want to have someone who died just a week ago announcing their shows, especially when the hosts paid tribute to him not three days previous? Naw, far too logical. Must be something much more fanciful.[/quote]
I am reminded of exactly 25 years earlier, when The Price is Right aired the last of Johnny Olson's episodes that he had recorded before his passing. Nobody then felt it necessary to dub over the man's hard work, and only edited in some tributes.
What Wheel Of Fortune did...that was disrespect to the man's hard work, IMHO, when simply airing them unedited could have been an extended tribute. They could have simply put a disclaimer at the beginning along the lines of "Charlie O'Donnell recorded this episode prior to his untimely passing, and we feel that the best kind of tribute to his hard work and loyalty is to show the man's work unchanged."
The tribute last Friday was great; dubbing over Charlie's work was not.
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Pardon my ignorance if I'm way off base, but maybe some sponsor stuff changed, requiring some new recording by a new voice (and thus, producers not wanting Charlie + New Guy)? Could all the SPIN ID stuff be the culprit? I forget what part of that is known ahead of time, and what part is added later.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'250531\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 03:11 PM\']What Wheel Of Fortune did...that was a blatant show of disrespect to the man's hard work, IMHO, when simply airing them unedited could have been an extended tribute. They could have simply put a disclaimer at the beginning along the lines of "Charlie O'Donnell recorded this episode prior to his untimely passing, and we feel that the best kind of tribute to his hard work and loyalty is to show the man's work unchanged." My mother, who watches Wheel regularly, noticed the dubover and also felt it disrespectful.
The tribute last Friday was great; dubbing over Charlie's work was not.[/quote]
Must you blow every single game show related thing out of proportion? Johnny Gilbert's episodes started airing the same day Charlie died. People probably think that Johnny's eps. were done live, even though it was mere coincidence. Having to explain to people a week later why Charlie is announcing again will probably cause confusion, because again, a lot of people probably think Johnny did those shows right after Charlie died. A lot of extra work.
I'm sure the production staff considered every avenue, and found it more appropriate to simply insert Johnny's voice. If they truly wanted to disrespect Charlie O'Donnell, who they treated like a family member, do you think they would've done this? (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvMr2MCFEj8\")
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I'm also more in the line of thinking they should have left the Charlie's voice alone in those episodes. Perhaps just adding something at the beginning about him having recorded these shows before his passing. After all, TPiR had Johnny's voice on the show for over a month after his death.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250542\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 02:42 PM\']Must you blow every single game show related thing out of proportion?[/quote]
You assume that he only confines it to game shows.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250542\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 02:42 PM\']Must you blow every single game show related thing out of proportion?[/quote]Excuse me, sir. Dan Benfield does not blow things out of proportion. You're just underreacting.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250542\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 05:42 PM\']I'm sure the production staff considered every avenue, and found it more appropriate to simply insert Johnny's voice. If they truly wanted to disrespect Charlie O'Donnell, who they treated like a family member, do you think they would've done this? (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvMr2MCFEj8\")[/quote]
They did that tribute, and as I said before I respect that. I also understand that they want to move on from his death, but I don't think dubbing over episodes that he already taped (giving the impression that the show tapes in airing order and hence Charlie did zero past the Halloween week) was the answer. Leaving the audio alone with a pre-show disclaimer would have been the most logical and respectful route, IMHO.
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'250541\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 04:41 PM\']Pardon my ignorance if I'm way off base, but maybe some sponsor stuff changed, requiring some new recording by a new voice (and thus, producers not wanting Charlie + New Guy)? Could all the SPIN ID stuff be the culprit? I forget what part of that is known ahead of time, and what part is added later.[/quote]
I recall reading on the Sony Boards (from those who have been to tapings) that the sponsor plugs and Spin I.D. are done either when the show is taped or shortly afterward.
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250545\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 06:44 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250542\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 02:42 PM\']Must you blow every single game show related thing out of proportion?[/quote]Excuse me, sir. Dan Benfield does not blow things out of proportion. You're just underreacting.[/quote]
Thanks for the vote of support. :p
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250545\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 03:44 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250542\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 02:42 PM\']Must you blow every single game show related thing out of proportion?[/quote]Excuse me, sir. Dan Benfield does not blow things out of proportion. You're just underreacting.
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There's too much positivity on the internet.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'250541\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 04:41 PM\']Pardon my ignorance if I'm way off base, but maybe some sponsor stuff changed, requiring some new recording by a new voice (and thus, producers not wanting Charlie + New Guy)? Could all the SPIN ID stuff be the culprit? I forget what part of that is known ahead of time, and what part is added later.
-Jason[/quote]
Who wants to bet that the subtlety of the above goes right over Dan's head?
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'250546\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 06:04 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250545\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 06:44 PM\']Excuse me, sir. Dan Benfield does not blow things out of proportion. You're just underreacting.[/quote]
Thanks for the vote of support. :p[/quote]
That wasn't a compliment.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'250546\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 07:04 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250542\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 05:42 PM\']I'm sure the production staff considered every avenue, and found it more appropriate to simply insert Johnny's voice. If they truly wanted to disrespect Charlie O'Donnell, who they treated like a family member, do you think they would've done this? (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvMr2MCFEj8\")[/quote]
They did that tribute, and as I said before I respect that. I also understand that they want to move on from his death, but I don't think dubbing over episodes that he already taped (giving the impression that the show tapes in airing order and hence Charlie did zero past the Halloween week) was the answer. Leaving the audio alone with a pre-show disclaimer would have been the most logical and respectful route, IMHO.
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Reread the part where I mention that Johnny Gilbert's episodes started airing on the same day Charlie O'Donnell died. Also look for my point that a lot of people don't realize the episodes are taped weeks if not months in advance, so even if you have Pat announce that in a pre-recorded announcement, you still stand the chance of overcomplicating the situation. You have viewers see the tribute on Friday, then tune in Monday and hear Charlie announcing all over again, and you have utter confusion. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some viewers either forgot the tribute, or didn't even catch it.
Yes, they could've recorded another announcement, and they obviously chose not to. Unlike people at an unnamed production company, I think the producers over at Sony have a better idea of how to handle a situation like this, and trust their rhyme and reason behind it. What you fail to realize is that it has nothing to do with disrespect, otherwise they never would've done a tribute in the first place.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'250546\' date=\'Nov 9 2010, 07:04 PM\']Could all the SPIN ID stuff be the culprit? I forget what part of that is known ahead of time, and what part is added later.[/quote]
The SPIN ID plug is done live, but they don't actually say the ID (it's done in post). Live it would be "If your spin ID is....<10 seconds of silence>, you're a winner!
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As i recall, but it's been a while now, when Johnny Olson passed away, didn't Bob have a disclaimer saying that there were shows that were already taped that he still announced for? I know TPIR would be a much harder job to dub over, plus at the time they probably didn't have the equipment to cleanly take out his voice, but I think that was a good way of handling it. Mind you I don't know how many shows were to air that had his voice in them either. The way that WOF decided i guess is the more modern way. Everything is probably multi track and you can just replace Charlie's track with someone else, and cut out any reference to Charlie from Pat or Vanna.
Now there is a clip or two on youtube where after Jack Clark passed away that Pat did the prize plugs at the end of the show, but I don't recall who announced the opening.
What have other shows done after the death of their announcer when there were still pre taped shows to air?
Mark
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[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'250586\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 09:35 AM\']What have other shows done after the death of their announcer when there were still pre taped shows to air?[/quote]
To this day, I remember vividly when Wally Cox passed away, and Peter Marshall taped a brief explanation that we'd be seeing him for a few more weeks on Hollywood Squares. Gil Fates writes about the viewers who were confused about why they were still seeing Bennett Cerf in some syndicated WML episodes after he had died, but the show didn't do anything about that because it would have been too complicated in the days of bicycling the programs around to different markets.
Every situation is going to be a little different, and now that technology has come so far, it's now possible in a way that it wasn't before to edit out the late announcer completely. Is that a good idea? Hard to say. You've got people like us who notice the edits, and even a few who are offended by them. But at the same time, leave him in and you no doubt have some confused viewers, as well as simply a few who won't enjoy the program as much when they hear his voice.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250582\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 07:13 AM\']Also look for my point that a lot of people don't realize the episodes are taped weeks if not months in advance, so even if you have Pat announce that in a pre-recorded announcement, you still stand the chance of overcomplicating the situation. You have viewers see the tribute on Friday, then tune in Monday and hear Charlie announcing all over again, and you have utter confusion. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some viewers either forgot the tribute, or didn't even catch it.[/quote]
I don't see any likely confusion from viewers that would hear Charlie O'Donnell after his tribute aired. The same people who follow that closely would have heard Pat talk about shows being taped in advance when he posted his first tweet on Twitter.
As for the general viewing public, nearly everyone is aware of the fact that shows are taped. At the very least, the concept of a re-run is well established, and anyone confused might just dismiss the confusion by the fact that a re-run is airing.
Some of the other examples in this thread about What's My Line and the early '70s Hollywood Squares happened when it was still commonplace to have live programming.
I think the likely cause of the overdubbing of Johnny Gilbert's voice was necessity, not to avoid confusion. As the episodes this week were shot in Las Vegas, it makes sense that something such as the Spin I.D. segments would be done in post-production. Therefore, to avoid the need for two announcers in the same episode, all of the voice overs were replaced. It is also likely that Charlie was still alive when this dubbing took place, so at the time there was no other reason than in-episode continuity.
That said, I am sure there was much hand-wringing and debate on how to handle the situation in the most sensitive way possible. Maybe it would have been better to have Pat announce the Spin I.D. number as if he read it live, keeping Charlie's voice in. Death is never easy to handle generally, and as "the show must go on", so must difficult decisions be made.
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[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'250586\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 06:35 AM\']As i recall, but it's been a while now, when Johnny Olson passed away, didn't Bob have a disclaimer saying that there were shows that were already taped that he still announced for?[/quote]
I dunno about the daytime show, but I know they said nothing for the nighttime Tom Kennedy shows.
[quote name=\'Otm Shank\' post=\'250590\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 09:03 AM\']Death is never easy to handle generally, and as "the show must go on", so must difficult decisions be made.[/quote]
Preposterous! We will have none of that "reasoned, practical thinking" in this thread!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250595\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 01:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'250586\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 06:35 AM\']As i recall, but it's been a while now, when Johnny Olson passed away, didn't Bob have a disclaimer saying that there were shows that were already taped that he still announced for?[/quote]
I dunno about the daytime show, but I know they said nothing for the nighttime Tom Kennedy shows.
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Like with Wheel, TPIR DID air a disclaimer on the Friday broadcast of the week Johnny O died, IIRC. Like you, I don't recall anything like it airing on the nighttime edition.
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[quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'250616\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 06:40 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250595\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 01:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'250586\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 06:35 AM\']As i recall, but it's been a while now, when Johnny Olson passed away, didn't Bob have a disclaimer saying that there were shows that were already taped that he still announced for?[/quote]
I dunno about the daytime show, but I know they said nothing for the nighttime Tom Kennedy shows.
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Like with Wheel, TPIR DID air a disclaimer on the Friday broadcast of the week Johnny O died, IIRC. Like you, I don't recall anything like it airing on the nighttime edition.
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Bob did the announcement for Johnny Olson, saying the episodes would air as their tribute to him.
Florence Griffith-Joyner the track star passed away between taping a week of Bergeron's Hollywood Squares and the airdate. I believe they held that week back for a while, then aired it with an announcement from Tom.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'250624\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 08:27 PM\']Florence Griffith-Joyner the track star passed away between taping a week of Bergeron's Hollywood Squares and the airdate. I believe they held that week back for a while, then aired it with an announcement from Tom.[/quote]
I think in Flo-Jo's case, she died the week her eps. were scheduled to air. IIRC it was the show's second week, and Whoopi did a pre-recorded announcement.
When John Ritter died, they did something similar when his episodes aired a few weeks later...Henry Winkler did a nice tribute to him.
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[quote name=\'Otm Shank\' post=\'250590\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 12:03 PM\']As for the general viewing public, nearly everyone is aware of the fact that shows are taped.[/quote]
I don't know... a few years ago, when I worked as an audience usher for a show that is widely known to air in the morning, on March 17, a lot of the audience members were wearing luck- and Irish-themed shirts, even though the taping was at 2:30 p.m. and clearly could not be broadcast on the same day.
[quote name=\'Otm Shank\' post=\'250590\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 12:03 PM\']At the very least, the concept of a re-run is well established, and anyone confused might just dismiss the confusion by the fact that a re-run is airing.[/quote]
How many weeks of reruns does "Wheel" do in a year? I know it's not many. It's one of the few shows left where I can imagine uninformed viewers never expecting repeats.
I agree -- there's no perfect solution to the dilemma.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'250630\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 09:53 PM\']How many weeks of reruns does "Wheel" do in a year? I know it's not many.[/quote]
13, not including Saturdays.
I would prefer that the next announcer not be Johnny Gilbert. Nothing against him personally, but I don't think he fits.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'250631\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 07:05 PM\']I would prefer that the next announcer not be Johnny Gilbert. Nothing against him personally, but I don't think he fits.[/quote]Assuming it isn't someone on this very forum, I actually would prefer Johnny. I think he could fit just fine.
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Did I miss something? I thought I saw (the show is on mute here at work and I just have to go by the captioning) Pat mention Johnny Gilbert by name more than once in this week of Vegas shows -- are we positive that Johnny Gilbert didn't happen to fill in for these shows, too? I mean, I guess they could have cut out Charlie O's voice and had Gilbert voice it, but wouldn't that be an awful lot of work for very little benefit?
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'250747\' date=\'Nov 11 2010, 09:13 PM\']Did I miss something? I thought I saw (the show is on mute here at work and I just have to go by the captioning) Pat mention Johnny Gilbert by name more than once in this week of Vegas shows -- are we positive that Johnny Gilbert didn't happen to fill in for these shows, too?[/quote]
Nope, they edited Charlie out and dubbed in mentions of Johnny by Pat (usually from distance shots where you can't really see his mouth moving). The Vegas weeks (three of them) were the first weeks taped of this season, long before Charlie went under the weather.
[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'250747\' date=\'Nov 11 2010, 09:13 PM\']I mean, I guess they could have cut out Charlie O's voice and had Gilbert voice it, but wouldn't that be an awful lot of work for very little benefit?[/quote]
Apparently the show would rather keep up the illusion of taping in airing order than put a three-second bumper before the show ("In Memory of Charlie O'Donnell -- 1932-2010") or a short disclaimer by Pat, Vanna, or Friedman. While I don't agree with it, it's what they've decided to do.
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I don't really know what the original plan was, but I do think it's curious this impulse to "avoid confusing the viewer". Who cares? I mean, really, who cares? Is anyone going to tune out because the person they thought was dead seems to be announcing this week? I really doubt it.
In fact, you'd probably get a few more viewers who wanted to hear the man's voice one last time. Not many, but a few.
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You would think in this era of multi-track recording they could punch in new audio a little easier. Maybe get Charlie Tuna to revoice stuff, so Pat could still mention the name Charlie.
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Well, I take back what I said a few posts ago -- I made a point of turning up the volume at work and saw the awkward edit with Pat's voice-over toss to Johnny Gilbert after the second toss-up of the game on tonight's show.
I still say it seems like a lot of work for very little benefit. I see nothing offensive or in bad taste about airing the remaining episodes that Charlie voiced, with his voice in them.
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What are the chances of Don Pardo doing a week?
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[quote name=\'opimus\' post=\'251241\' date=\'Nov 19 2010, 11:21 AM\']What are the chances of Don Pardo doing a week?[/quote]
He already did two weeks in November 1988. :-P
Seriously, wouldn't his exclusivity to NBC preclude it anymore? Never mind the fact that one announcing job is probably enough for someone who's freaking 92?
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'251246\' date=\'Nov 19 2010, 03:15 PM\']Seriously, wouldn't his exclusivity to NBC preclude it anymore?[/quote]
Pardo is long retired from NBC, and continues to do SNL because Lorne Michaels keeps begging him to. Still, I wouldn't expect him to turn up on Wheel if I were you.
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Pat's latest tweet (Friday 11/20/10)
[quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'251273\' date=\'Nov 20 2010, 02:43 AM\']Pat's latest tweet (Friday 11/20/10)
[quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
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Maybe Pardo made the trek from Arizona?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'251329\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 06:51 AM\'][quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'251273\' date=\'Nov 20 2010, 02:43 AM\']Pat's latest tweet (Friday 11/20/10)
[quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
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Maybe Pardo made the trek from Arizona?
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I thought that as well, considering it's a much easier flight compared to New York. If it was Pardo, perhaps he recorded copy from his house the way he did with SNL for so long?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'251337\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 10:04 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'251329\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 06:51 AM\'][quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'251273\' date=\'Nov 20 2010, 02:43 AM\']Pat's latest tweet (Friday 11/20/10)
[quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
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Maybe Pardo made the trek from Arizona?
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I thought that as well, considering it's a much easier flight compared to New York. If it was Pardo, perhaps he recorded copy from his house the way he did with SNL for so long?
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No, not Pardo. That in-studio announcer was unique to Wheel in another way.
Sorry, no hints ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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It has to be MG Kelly!
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The reanimated corpse of Jack Clark?
/Too soon?
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Woolery?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'251344\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 02:29 PM\']Woolery?[/quote]
I heard he left...
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'251344\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 03:29 PM\']Woolery?[/quote]
Yeah, that was my guess.
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If it is Woolery, it wouldn't be history though- Jack Narz hosted the syndicated version of Beat The Clock in the early 70's then announced Monty Hall's version, so it wouldn't be the first time a host of a show does the announcing for the same show (though it might be the first time during the same RUN of a show)...
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[quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
I thought they might have a MDW.
--Charlie
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'251352\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 01:47 PM\']If it is Woolery, it wouldn't be history though- Jack Narz hosted the syndicated version of Beat The Clock in the early 70's then announced Monty Hall's version, so it wouldn't be the first time a host of a show does the announcing for the same show (though it might be the first time during the same RUN of a show)...[/quote]
It's not the same run though. Woolery never hosted syndicated WoF. Only daytime.
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[quote name=\'GiraffeBoy\' post=\'251354\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 05:06 PM\'][quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
I thought they might have a MDW.
--Charlie
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Twas similar to my thoughts. The way it was worded, my idea was that the history wasn't so much with the announcer that was there, just that some sort of history (alternate scenarios could be the million is lost or someone breaks 6 figures in the main-game) was made on one of those episodes, in particular, when some guest announcer was there. His presence, thereafter, might have been possibly looked at by someone as being some sort of lucky charm. :P
But if Randy says the announcer that taping has a connection with Wheel, then yeah, I'll throw out my biased guess they grabbed MG Kelly (he was on my list of personal preferences for it), hope he does a good job, and eventually makes the shortlist for taking the job permanently down the line if he does. Bob Goen (who does have radio experience), is another potential candidate...
/Heck, either of them would be a lot better IMHO on there than half the announcers I've seen on GS's lately, and compared to others I'd suspect would be given shots at it (judging from prior experience).
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May be it's Rolf. :)
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[quote name=\'GiraffeBoy\' post=\'251354\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 05:06 PM\'][quote name=\'Pat Sajak\']Taped shows yesterday for week of January 10 with another guest announcer. We might have made some history with this one.[/quote]
I thought they might have a MDW.
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Or maybe two in one week? Uh, oh, that's a budget-breaker. Someone check on Harry Friedman. ;-)
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251356\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 03:42 PM\']... But if Randy says the announcer that taping has a connection with Wheel,...[/quote]
But what I said was that this guest announcer was unique to Wheel - meaning different than anything Wheel has done before. No previous connection with the show was implied. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
That's 3 down, and we go to Arlene Francis ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'251389\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 09:56 PM\']But what I said was that this guest announcer was unique to Wheel - meaning different than anything Wheel has done before. No previous connection with the show was implied.[/quote]
One word:
Gottfried.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'251390\' date=\'Nov 22 2010, 12:58 AM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'251389\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 09:56 PM\']But what I said was that this guest announcer was unique to Wheel - meaning different than anything Wheel has done before. No previous connection with the show was implied.[/quote]
One word:
Gottfried.
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Does that mean the Jackpot round will be sponsored by "Af-laaac!"? ;-)
/Shadoe Stevens perhaps?
//Would love to see (hear?) Randy
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'251391\' date=\'Nov 22 2010, 01:04 AM\']/Shadoe Stevens perhaps?[/quote]
This would make me a very happy Wheelloon. But, unfortunately, I still see it as a longshot... :(
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'251389\' date=\'Nov 22 2010, 12:56 AM\'][quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251356\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 03:42 PM\']... But if Randy says the announcer that taping has a connection with Wheel,...[/quote]
But what I said was that this guest announcer was unique to Wheel - meaning different than anything Wheel has done before. No previous connection with the show was implied. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
That's 3 down, and we go to Arlene Francis ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Well, her show is with the same syndicator and she does the promotional consideration reads on her show, so I'll guess Oprah Winfrey.
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[quote name=\'opimus\' post=\'251365\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 06:12 PM\']May be it's Rolf. :)[/quote]
Or George Gray (he's been getting around lately).
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'251390\' date=\'Nov 22 2010, 12:58 AM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'251389\' date=\'Nov 21 2010, 09:56 PM\']But what I said was that this guest announcer was unique to Wheel - meaning different than anything Wheel has done before. No previous connection with the show was implied.[/quote]
One word:
Gottfried.
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You fool!
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CyberLucy
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Alex Trebek.
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That guy they got to dress up as a giant sparkly $5,000 wedge for those ridiculous promos.
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Dr. Dave (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1vr2an65Pc\").
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Martin Short as Ed Grimley?
/There'd be no gameplay, just swooning over Sajak
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Could be Kay Starr, the lady who sang the hit, "Wheel Of Fortune" in 1952...
...or Max Headroom.
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I hear they'll fire up someone's laptop, put it in the announcer's booth, and have Microsoft Sam "announce". Won't even have to pay him or anything.
(As an aside, Rich Fields sounded very mellow on tonight's show, but I believe he was dubbed in.)
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Todd Russell?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'251472\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 08:06 AM\']Todd Russell?[/quote]
Now that would make history!
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'251458\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 12:25 AM\']I hear they'll fire up someone's laptop, put it in the announcer's booth, and have Microsoft Sam "announce". Won't even have to pay him or anything.
(As an aside, Rich Fields sounded very mellow on tonight's show, but I believe he was dubbed in.)[/quote]
Why would he be dubbed in, he asked, knowing he was going to get a dumb answer.
(And yes, panel, I too heard Pat say at the beginning of the show , "Thanks Rich - Rich Fields, our guest announcer", but I still want to hear this.)
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Edd Byrnes?
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An option no one's mentioned yet, and this one's quite within the realm of possibility: Sajak himself.
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My bet has been on a female voice.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'251491\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 10:34 AM\']My bet has been on a female voice.[/quote]
I thought of Randy Thomas when I saw this. I could imagine her doing a great job with "Wheel" (she did do a good job on "Lingo"!).
/though there's another Randy I'd rather hear!
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RAYMOND?'
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'251492\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 11:46 AM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'251491\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 10:34 AM\']My bet has been on a female voice.[/quote]
I thought of Randy Thomas when I saw this. I could imagine her doing a great job with "Wheel" (she did do a good job on "Lingo"!).
/though there's another Randy I'd rather hear!
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She wasn't that good on "Lingo" IMO. Vanna's done the voiceover before, IIRC. They could bring back Susan Stafford, I guess. Without more hints, there a risk of overthinking.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'251488\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 11:18 AM\']An option no one's mentioned yet, and this one's quite within the realm of possibility: Sajak himself.[/quote]
I swear I made a comment somewhere here (maybe it was buzzerblog I said it, my mind must be getting feeble), but my ultimate preference has been for Pat and Vanna to do the announcing work for the rest of their tenure on the show. They already do a lot of it anyway, especially on the road, so it makes sense, they both have experience and it will ultimately save the show money likely with having one less body in the studio every show...
/Still think it's somewhat a longshot. I'd love to be surprised.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'251479\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 10:10 AM\'][quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'251458\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 12:25 AM\']I hear they'll fire up someone's laptop, put it in the announcer's booth, and have Microsoft Sam "announce". Won't even have to pay him or anything.
(As an aside, Rich Fields sounded very mellow on tonight's show, but I believe he was dubbed in.)[/quote]
Why would he be dubbed in, he asked, knowing he was going to get a dumb answer.
(And yes, panel, I too heard Pat say at the beginning of the show , "Thanks Rich - Rich Fields, our guest announcer", but I still want to hear this.)
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Same reason Gilbert was dubbed in for the last Vegas week, presumably. This week was taped in October.
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251497\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 10:35 AM\']They already do a lot of it anyway, especially on the road, so it makes sense, they both have experience and it will ultimately save the show money likely with having one less body in the studio every show...[/quote]
Is this a show that *needs* to save money?
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'251508\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 02:36 PM\'][quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251497\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 10:35 AM\']They already do a lot of it anyway, especially on the road, so it makes sense, they both have experience and it will ultimately save the show money likely with having one less body in the studio every show...[/quote]
Is this a show that *needs* to save money?
-Jason
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If you are Sony, a multinational for-profit corporation that likely expects your various entities to show improvements, in one form or another, each fiscal year, you ALWAYS "need" to save money.
Yeah, I wouldn't give two s***s about it if I was Friedman and Sony was expecting me to improve the bottom line every year, but that's why I'm not likely to be the show's E.P. anytime soon. No, it doesn't matter last time I saw figures for how much the show makes a year (which was some time ago), the figure was around $200,000,000...
/Hugh Hefner: It's business Vanna... :P
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251510\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 05:26 PM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'251508\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 02:36 PM\'][quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251497\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 10:35 AM\']They already do a lot of it anyway, especially on the road, so it makes sense, they both have experience and it will ultimately save the show money likely with having one less body in the studio every show...[/quote]
Is this a show that *needs* to save money?
-Jason
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If you are Sony, a multinational for-profit corporation that likely expects your various entities to show improvements, in one form or another, each fiscal year, you ALWAYS "need" to save money.
Yeah, I wouldn't give two s***s about it if I was Friedman and Sony was expecting me to improve the bottom line every year, but that's why I'm not likely to be the show's E.P. anytime soon. No, it doesn't matter last time I saw figures for how much the show makes a year (which was some time ago), the figure was around $200,000,000...
/Hugh Hefner: It's business Vanna... :P
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Not saying you're wrong, but is Vanna really neccessary? They could save her yearly salary by just having the techs light up the board, but they ain't gonna do that. I watched the show tonight. Any announcing needs they have can be (and probably are) done in post production.
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My money's on The Weasel. It's a good thing I'm a teacher who makes virtually no money. :-)
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'251510\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 05:26 PM\']If you are Sony, a multinational for-profit corporation that likely expects your various entities to show improvements, in one form or another, each fiscal year, you ALWAYS "need" to save money.
Yeah, I wouldn't give two s***s about it if I was Friedman and Sony was expecting me to improve the bottom line every year, but that's why I'm not likely to be the show's E.P. anytime soon. No, it doesn't matter last time I saw figures for how much the show makes a year (which was some time ago), the figure was around $200,000,000...[/quote]
The one thing I'll give Wheel...for all the gimmicks they've trotted out, they still have a lot of traditional elements, such as keeping an announcer. I don't see them cutting a corner like that, esp. considering the way they made Charlie a part of the family, i.e. last year's April Fool's stunt. They'd probably reduce the road trips first.
Besides, if they're considering not having a true announcer, then why have Rich Fields come in?
John Cramer maybe? He's done a few other Sony shows, including Donnymid, which Harry produced...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'251521\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 05:53 PM\']Besides, if they're considering not having a true announcer, then why have Rich Fields come in?[/quote]
I think you answered your own question, there. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'251523\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 09:03 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'251521\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 05:53 PM\']Besides, if they're considering not having a true announcer, then why have Rich Fields come in?[/quote]
I think you answered your own question, there. :)
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I see what you did there. :-)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'251488\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 08:18 AM\']An option no one's mentioned yet, and this one's quite within the realm of possibility: Sajak himself.[/quote]
I hope you're kidding.
WOF is hardly a struggling operation. It rakes in money hand over fist (how do you think they can afford all that travel?). There's no need to scrimp on something like an announcer. A game show announcer isn't a huge expense, unlike emcees who make multi-millions per year.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'251527\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 02:20 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'251488\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 08:18 AM\']An option no one's mentioned yet, and this one's quite within the realm of possibility: Sajak himself.[/quote]
I hope you're kidding.[/quote]
Not talking permanent, just speculating (in fun) about what Sajak meant when he said one of the guest announcer choices would "make history".
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'251529\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 09:04 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'251527\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 02:20 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'251488\' date=\'Nov 23 2010, 08:18 AM\']An option no one's mentioned yet, and this one's quite within the realm of possibility: Sajak himself.[/quote]
I hope you're kidding.[/quote]
Not talking permanent, just speculating (in fun) about what Sajak meant when he said one of the guest announcer choices would "make history".
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Well, Merv used to announce on his talk show once Arthur Treacher kicked the bucket, and made no secret of it with his "and now, HERE I COME!" intro.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'251531\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 10:33 AM\']Well, Merv used to announce on his talk show...and made no secret of it with his "and now, HERE I COME!" intro.[/quote]
I thought he would have said that near the end?
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'251546\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 05:46 PM\'][quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'251531\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 10:33 AM\']Well, Merv used to announce on his talk show...and made no secret of it with his "and now, HERE I COME!" intro.[/quote]
I thought he would have said that near the end?
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I heard that he whispered it to Denny Terrio!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'251573\' date=\'Nov 25 2010, 08:35 AM\']I heard that he whispered it to Denny Terrio![/quote]
I was gonna go here.
I'm glad someone else did. :)
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'251573\' date=\'Nov 25 2010, 11:35 AM\'][quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'251546\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 05:46 PM\'][quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'251531\' date=\'Nov 24 2010, 10:33 AM\']Well, Merv used to announce on his talk show...and made no secret of it with his "and now, HERE I COME!" intro.[/quote]
I thought he would have said that near the end?
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I heard that he whispered it to Denny Terrio!
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Well played, both of you! :-)
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latest patweet/
patsajak
Guest announcers already booked on Wheel thru end of season. Permanent replacement will be announced prior to next season.
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Well we have an answer to Pat's tweet about the announcer the week of 1/10- her name is Lora Cain..... (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/lora-cain-becomes-first-female-guest-announcer-on-wheel-of-fortune/\")
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'254103\' date=\'Jan 6 2011, 06:57 PM\']Well we have an answer to Pat's tweet about the announcer the week of 1/10- her name is Lora Cain..... (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/lora-cain-becomes-first-female-guest-announcer-on-wheel-of-fortune/\")[/quote]
Wow, you know you've got an off-the-board pick when she doesn't have a Wikipedia article or any other articles that even mention her name...
For anyone who's curious, here's (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb2C0q7NEi0\") a demo reel. Good enough voice, but I hope she puts more enthusiasm in when she's on the show.
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When did Don Morrow sub? Did he sub after Jack Clark died? Also, according to imdb. John Harlan subbed during the Chuck and Susan era. Is that true?
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Don Morrow subbed before Jack Clark was hired, when Charlie O booked to KCOP to do news. Harlan was likely a spot replacement for when Charlie was sick.
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Judging from this music video on YouTube, assuming it's the same Lora Cain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z74Ac5oTYkU...feature=related (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z74Ac5oTYkU&feature=related\")
... she should be on camera.
\originally wrote "Lana Cain," who may be her twin sister.
\\mmm, redheads
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[quote name=\'Robair\' post=\'254155\' date=\'Jan 7 2011, 06:13 AM\']Don Morrow subbed before Jack Clark was hired, when Charlie O booked to KCOP to do news. Harlan was likely a spot replacement for when Charlie was sick.[/quote]
Charlie didn't book from Wheel in 1980, the show was actually CANCELLED by Fred Silverman! A final farewell episode with Woolery (and his wife, Joanne) was taped and later edited before it aired on Friday, August 1st. The August 4th episode reportedly opens with Woolery joking about the show's reprive.
Charlie went to join ole buddy Bob Eubanks who was producing "The Toni Tennille Show" before the Wheel cancellation was reversed. The sequence of events is HERE (http://\"http://www.tvrandywest.com\") - - click "Charlie O Tribute".
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'254199\' date=\'Jan 7 2011, 07:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Robair\' post=\'254155\' date=\'Jan 7 2011, 06:13 AM\']Don Morrow subbed before Jack Clark was hired, when Charlie O booked to KCOP to do news. Harlan was likely a spot replacement for when Charlie was sick.[/quote]
Charlie didn't book from Wheel in 1980, the show was actually CANCELLED by Fred Silverman! A final farewell episode with Woolery (and his wife, Joanne) was taped and later edited before it aired on Friday, August 1st. The August 4th episode reportedly opens with Woolery joking about the show's reprive.
Charlie went to join ole buddy Bob Eubanks who was producing "The Toni Tennille Show" before the Wheel cancellation was reversed. The sequence of events is HERE (http://\"http://www.tvrandywest.com\") - - click "Charlie O Tribute".
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Awesome tribute, Randy, and I had no idea that Charlie's leaving was due to the cancellation.
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Denny Terrio is f'in 60!