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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: mmb5 on September 23, 2010, 06:38:54 PM
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There is an article in today's New York Times that the baseball game considered the best game that was broadcast and was now lost -- Game #7 of the 1960 World Series -- has been found, in Bing Crosby's recording collection. MLB Network has secured the rights, and will be broadcasting it in the off season.
Question to the group -- what one episode of one show that is currently lost do you think would be the best to be found? I would nominate any episode for the week Liza Minelli and Dustin Hoffman played in the 60s version of the Match Game.
Your choice?
--Mike
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The first $10,000 roll on "The Big Showdown."
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I'd kinda like to see one of the Christmas week episodes of PASSWORD when Lee Remick and Stephen Sondheim were the celebs.
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$ale of the Century, 1988.
I (may) have stated for the record that I was never a fan of the Winner's Big Money Game, but I have always wanted the episode where Rani White became the only person to successfully win the $50,000 top prize in that particular bonus round. During my trading years, this episode eluded everyone.
Quite the rarity.
The Inquisitive One
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Up until a few years ago, it was the Saturday Night Live Mardi Gras special, but they finally released that on DVD...
Now, I don't believe I could formulate an answer to that question... Especially related to game shows... Didn't Bill Cullen do some colorized episodes of the original Price is Right? I'd definitely like to see those.
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The original perfect showcase episode of TPiR, from the 70s.
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I'd like to see an episode of "The Celebrity Game"....if only to see the sheer number of celebrities that show attracted.
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For myself, the first $10,000 Pyramid.
For the greater audience, there's an ep of either IGAS or WML with Lucille Ball that never aired on GSN because part of it is missing. I'd wish for that to be found.
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Any episode from the week You Don't Say! taped in Florida. That picture on Adam Nedeff's site looks inviting, mainly because not many games eschew the relatively-cold interior studio for natural outdoor beauty.
Didn't Bill Cullen do some colorized episodes of the original Price is Right? I'd definitely like to see those.
The NBC nighttime version was in color for its entire run. I only know of one legit color photograph to exist.
I'd like to see an episode of "The Celebrity Game".
I remember seeing one on YouTube. Here's Part 1 (rest are in the sidebar). (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j9geCW2W8w\")
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[quote name=\'Mr. Brown\' post=\'248189\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 12:38 AM\']Now, I don't believe I could formulate an answer to that question... Especially related to game shows... Didn't Bill Cullen do some colorized episodes of the original Price is Right? I'd definitely like to see those.[/quote]
Actually, I think most of the NBC episodes were in color...they just don't seem like it 50 years down the road because they were only saved as kinescopes.
As for me...I was thinking I'd pick one of the three "replaced" TPIR episodes, probably the original third show, but then I remembered that there's a half-hour show from early in the 7th season which, despite not having any production issues, was apparently never aired. I guess I'll go with that one.
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As far as TPIR goes, the debut of Finish Line, Shower Game or the Telephone Game. I'm curious as to how any one of these games were played the first time out.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'248192\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 12:52 AM\']I'd like to see an episode of "The Celebrity Game"....if only to see the sheer number of celebrities that show attracted.[/quote]
Part 1 (rest are side barred) (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j9geCW2W8w\")
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I think I need to clarify -- shows that are presumed not to exist. Celebrity Game and Sale exist. Things like the last episode of Rhyme and Reason. Nobody has seen it since, nobody knows where it is or if it is.
--Mike
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I would like to see the one and only episode of "You're in the Picture". Take it back...yes, there is a 2nd and finale show, but Jackie Gleason did a monologue saying I'm sorry for 30 minutes.
Sidenote: Oops, The Paley Center for Media has the 2 shows. Darn it.
Charles Atkins
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248207\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 08:39 AM\']I think I need to clarify -- shows that are presumed not to exist. Celebrity Game and Sale exist. Things like the last episode of Rhyme and Reason. Nobody has seen it since, nobody knows where it is or if it is.[/quote]
Neat question, one I've been turning over in my head for a while.
I think, given one choice, it wouldn't even be a Cullen, merely Cullen related. We have the first What's My Line?, but it appears that the premiere of I've Got A Secret is lost. According to Fates, it was an unmitigated disaster, but one that today would be of significant historical relevance.
If I were to pick a Cullen, it would probably be one of his obscure early shows, like Act It Out or Meet Your Match. I've recently received a radio episode of Meet Your Match (without Cullen), so probably the first one.
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I would have to agree with the Final Episode of "Rhyme & Reason", just to see Pat Harrington & the gang "dismantle" the set.
And for history's sake, I'd love to see a before & after episode of the first 50's quizzer show that "rigged" their program, just to see what the difference between how the game played and looked "au natural" and the following week when the show was for the most part "scripted". To the average viewer, the differences will probably be very subtle, but I'd love to see what "changes" I could find.
Another obvious choice for the historical value is the very first episode of the very first game show that aired on TV. I don't have my EOTVGS within reach to name the show specifically, but I'm sure someone can fill in the blank.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'248196\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 02:00 AM\']For myself, the first $10,000 Pyramid.[/quote]Seconded.
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I would have to agree with the Final Episode of "Rhyme & Reason", just to see Pat Harrington & the gang "dismantle" the set.
That has been rumoured to exist but I've never seen any evidence of it, so I don't really believe it.
When thinking about this question, you could approach it from several different angles. Could it be an episode of a show that's not necessarily historically significant, but you really like and very little exists? If that's the case I'd probably choose a mid-run episode of Celebrity Sweepstakes - I'd love to see more of that show.
Maybe it's an episode of a show that there's no known trace of - Snap Judgment or the '69-73 Sale of the Century come to mind.
Maybe it could be a show you watched as a kid but for some reason has never entered the trade curcuit - Baffle or Wizard of Odds could fit the bill there.
It's hard to pick just one because there are so many lost treasures you'd love to see again and hope will turn up. I guess for selfish reasons, I'd pick any episode of Celebrity Sweepstakes.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'248210\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 10:55 AM\']Another obvious choice for the historical value is the very first episode of the very first game show that aired on TV. I don't have my EOTVGS within reach to name the show specifically, but I'm sure someone can fill in the blank.[/quote]Wikipedia (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_or_consequences\") says it's Truth or Consequences, which aired as a one-time experiment in 1941. That sounds right to me.
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The original Supermarket Sweep hosted by Bill Malone which aired on ABC.
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'248215\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 11:46 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'248210\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 10:55 AM\']Another obvious choice for the historical value is the very first episode of the very first game show that aired on TV. I don't have my EOTVGS within reach to name the show specifically, but I'm sure someone can fill in the blank.[/quote]Wikipedia (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_or_consequences\") says it's Truth or Consequences, which aired as a one-time experiment in 1941. That sounds right to me.[/quote]I thought it was earlier than that, maybe 1939. I want to say it was either "CBS Television Quiz" or "Uncle Jim's Question Bee".
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If we're talking specific episodes of shows, the main one that comes to my mind is the (an?) episode of 70's Jackpot where the $50,000 Super Jackpot was attempted.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'248213\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 11:01 AM\']Maybe it's an episode of a show that there's no known trace of - Snap Judgment or the '69-73 Sale of the Century come to mind.
Maybe it could be a show you watched as a kid but for some reason has never entered the trade curcuit - Baffle or Wizard of Odds could fit the bill there.[/quote]
I would love to see a Jack Kelly $OTC or Wizard of Odds. Or Dotto.
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Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.
I'm throwing another one out, more to give another hint on what to ask for: Jay Wolpert's TOC Jeopardy victory.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248225\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 02:52 PM\']Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.
I'm throwing another one out, more to give another hint on what to ask for: Jay Wolpert's TOC Jeopardy victory.[/quote]
Mel Gibson's dad's Jeopardy ToC victory. Or one of John McCain's games.
-M
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Another obvious choice for the historical value is the very first episode of the very first game show that aired on TV. I don't have my EOTVGS within reach to name the show specifically, but I'm sure someone can fill in the blank.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_or_consequences) says it's Truth or Consequences, which aired as a one-time experiment in 1941. That sounds right to me.
I thought it was earlier than that, maybe 1939. I want to say it was either "CBS Television Quiz" or "Uncle Jim's Question Bee".
CBS Television Quiz aired from 1941-42, debuting the day after the experimental Truth or Consequences (and the experimental Uncle Jim's Question Bee, which remained a radio series otherwise). As far as I can tell, the first televised game show was the United Kingdom's Spelling Bee (http://ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Spelling_Bee_(1)), which debuted May 31, 1938.
Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.
Dotto has two episodes circulating -- a daytime show with Marie Wynn, and a nighttime one with Connie Hines. As for Sweep, there's a partial episode available for viewing online, but it's only the open and close despite the listing claiming it's complete.
Obgameshow (if I may give another one): The premiere of The Money Maze, supposedly the only time both of the day's couples won $10,000.
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Since we're looking for stuff thought not to exist, I'll change my guess to either a 70s $otC or the final Rhyme and Reason...
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Having only vague memories of the show when it first aired, I'd like to see an episode of Spin-Off.
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Depending on definition:
Things That Do Exist, But In Slightly Improved Form: There are several black-and-white videotapes of game shows from the late 1950s/early 1960s. I would like for a color videotape (program is immaterial in this case) from the same era to emerge.
Things That Don't Exist In Playable Form: There are two: the pile of 1971 and 1973 tapes (not all game shows) at UCLA that will not play back, and the mysterious Information Please run I've mentioned here in the past that (with one exception) the Paley Center can't dub. I admit that these are group entries, but being able to dub just one of these might do.
A Specific Program That I'd Like To See: An episode of the prime-time run of Winner Take All, or a similar example for the many late 1940s/early 1950s game shows that we haven't found anything from.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248225\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 12:52 PM\']Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.[/quote]
And there are a number of '60s "Supermarket Sweep" episodes in the collection of the Museum of Broadcast Communications in Chicago.
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After much thought, I'd have to go for the 1977 episode of "The $20,000 Pyramid" where Sandy Mumbock wins $20,000 with Lynn Redgrave in her 15th try in the Winner's Circle. I'll bet the place went nuts over that win. A close second would be the episode of "Password" from 1974 where Lew Retrum wins his second "Password" championship.
Brendan
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i have both episodes of "you're in the picture."
I would like to find the 1986 episode of Press Your Luck with what is believed to be the largest ever double your money + a spin hit AND the largest ever whammy loss. Rumor has it Trish hits double your money with 17,500, giving her 35k, but gets nailed on the next spin (which she had to take).
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' post=\'248245\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 01:59 AM\']After much thought, I'd have to go for the 1977 episode of "The $20,000 Pyramid" where Sandy Mumbock wins $20,000 with Lynn Redgrave in her 15th try in the Winner's Circle. I'll bet the place went nuts over that win.[/quote]
As did the future contestants. ;-)
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' post=\'248245\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 01:59 AM\']After much thought, I'd have to go for the 1977 episode of "The $20,000 Pyramid" where Sandy Mumbock wins $20,000 with Lynn Redgrave in her 15th try in the Winner's Circle. I'll bet the place went nuts over that win. A close second would be the episode of "Password" from 1974 where Lew Retrum wins his second "Password" championship.
Brendan[/quote]
You, sir, are not the only one who'd like to see that. Sandy and her husband Peter are good friends of ours, and they don't have the shows on tape.
(BTW, it's Mumbach.)
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[quote name=\'wiseguy182\' post=\'248250\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 06:55 AM\']I would like to find the 1986 episode of Press Your Luck with what is believed to be the largest ever double your money + a spin hit AND the largest ever whammy loss. Rumor has it Trish hits double your money with 17,500, giving her 35k, but gets nailed on the next spin (which she had to take).[/quote]
Just to clarify, we're talking about stuff that probably does not exist that we would like to see.
That whole run exists.
I echo the sentiments over the first $10,000 Pyramid. Would love to see that one. And for that matter, the first ABC $10k episode or the first $20k episode.
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Having only vague memories of the show when it first aired, I'd like to see an episode of Spin-Off.
I'd like to see one of those too - and the whole run reportedly does exist. It was found at the same time as CBS Joker's Wild. However, unless someone decides to air it, I don't know how much good it does us. At least it's nice to know it's not gone.
The Money Maze would also be a good choice - although the pilot played pretty well the same as the series (TTBOMK), I love that theme song on the actual series!
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No one has said any episode of 'Second Chance' so I will. I'd also like to see 'Snap Judgement' with both formats. Also I believe in its infancy 'Wheel Of Fortune' experimented with an hour run so add that to, and finally early 'Lets Make a Deal' without the costumes.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'248232\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 02:10 PM\']Obgameshow: If I may give another one, I'd say the first episode of The Money Maze, which was supposedly the only time both of the day's couples won $10,000.[/quote]
Unless I was seriously imagining things, there was at least one other episode where both couples won $10,000.
(Speaking of which, who is the guy on Wikipedia that claims that the last two weeks of TMM was repeats of the first two weeks? "The version I remember was," only the last week was repeats, and it was all $10,000 winners under the revised rules (where all four contestants played the head-to-head game, and the maze runs had the option of going for a second tower), including the last episode being a repeat of the episode ABC had aired one week earlier.)
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'248265\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 11:38 AM\']Having only vague memories of the show when it first aired, I'd like to see an episode of Spin-Off.
I'd like to see one of those too - and the whole run reportedly does exist. It was found at the same time as CBS Joker's Wild. However, unless someone decides to air it, I don't know how much good it does us. At least it's nice to know it's not gone.[/quote]
I thought the problem with Spin-Off was, while it exists, it is in a tape format that no current broadcast technology can use, and the cost to convert it is presumed to exceed any potential benefit. (Reportedly, this is why GSN didn't get through all of the earliest episodes of The Joker's Wild that were found at the same time.)
My choice: pretty much any of the ABC Password "Grand Championship" tournaments, although that's a bit of a cheat as they tended to last for more than one episode.
-- Don
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248225\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 02:52 PM\']Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.[/quote]
I'd trade anyone a Chuck Knoblauch rookie card if they'd put it on the YouTube!
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'248283\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 04:40 PM\'][quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248225\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 02:52 PM\']Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.[/quote]
I'd trade anyone a Chuck Knoblauch rookie card if they'd put it on the YouTube!
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They just added an episode of "Dotto" to tvsgameshow.com, TV4U's video site.
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Does the 1970s Split Second exist?
I've only seen the 1980s version, which I really liked. I find, however, that people who have seen both versions say the 1970s version is much superior.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'248285\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 07:53 PM\']Does the 1970s Split Second exist?
I've only seen the 1980s version, which I really liked. I find, however, that people who have seen both versions say the 1970s version is much superior.[/quote]
There's a few eps. on the Tube of You.
C. 1972 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72m5g8MisJw&feature=related\")
Same contestant, second day (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWU9oVQKhs\")
Finale. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsXA0fgKvgY\")
Was trying to find Found Marvin Shinkman's ep., to no avail...right here. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm9uNj-0eFY&feature=related\")
And yes, I agree that the 70s version was superior, although the 80s version wasn't that bad either (great theme song). However, the "pick a screen" bonus round definitely paled in comparison.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'248285\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 07:53 PM\']Does the 1970s Split Second exist?
I've only seen the 1980s version, which I really liked. I find, however, that people who have seen both versions say the 1970s version is much superior.[/quote]
15 episodes exist in the UCLA archives. 6 or 7 of those are on videoreels with what looks like the entire ABC daytime at the time.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248225\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 03:52 PM\']Dotto has an episode on the trade circuit and Supermarket Sweep has one extant episode as well, although less accessible since it's at Paley.[/quote]
This is a decades-old memory, but I believe the Chicago museum (whatever it's called) has -- or had -- a handful of original Sweep episodes. I remember finding them in the database during a search and not choosing them at the time because I was looking for quizzers.
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There are actually 2 Dotto episodes around, including one with Marie Wynn.
As for a response to the original question, my vote goes for an episode of Showdown with Joe Pyne. It doesn't even appear that the pilot exists.
-Jamie
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[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'248241\' date=\'Sep 24 2010, 09:15 PM\']And there are a number of '60s "Supermarket Sweep" episodes in the collection of the Museum of Broadcast Communications in Chicago.[/quote]
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'248302\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 06:51 PM\']This is a decades-old memory, but I believe the Chicago museum (whatever it's called) has -- or had -- a handful of original Sweep episodes. I remember finding them in the database during a search and not choosing them at the time because I was looking for quizzers.[/quote]
Yes, I believe it's called the Museum of Broadcast Communications.
I watched one of the episodes there, which I chose because it was taped in my hometown. It was the first time I learned of the existence of Food Fair supermarkets.
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the second chance pilot is out there. the first copy i got was in grade F quality, but it must have been remastered or something, because the second copy i got was in much better quality.
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1. Any one episode of "PDQ" from the week that the "home team" was made up of Peter Marshall and Tom Kennedy and the "challenger" celebrity was Monty Hall (that's right, four game show hosts on the same program, the fourth being PDQ's host, Dennis James).
2. Any one episode of "PDQ" from the week that the "home team" was made up of Don Adams and Barbara Feldon.
3. Any one episode of NBC's "The Match Game" in which the celebs were Liza Minnelli and Milton Berle (if childhood memory serves, it was the first time I'd ever seen Milton Berle in anything).
4. The episode of the original "Tic Tac Dough" featuring my sister's mother-in-law as a contestant.
5. The episode of the original "Jeopardy!" featuring my sister's mother-in-law as a contestant.
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I'd like to add any of the old Art Fleming Celebrity Jeopardys, which apparently were taken much more seriously than we think of them today. I'd especially like to see the one with Alex Trebek, if indeed he did play.
-M
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[quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'248318\' date=\'Sep 26 2010, 07:52 AM\']I'd especially like to see the one with Alex Trebek, if indeed he did play.[/quote]
Wait, I've never heard of this. When/how did this happen?
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[quote name=\'Game Show Man\' post=\'248284\' date=\'Sep 25 2010, 06:50 PM\']They just added an episode of "Dotto" to tvsgameshow.com, TV4U's video site.[/quote]
Thanks very much. There's a bunch of good stuff there.
Seems like someone should have tried to bring back "Dotto." The play is more interesting than, say, "Tic Tac Dough," and it wouldn't seem like it needs to be rigged to work.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'248324\' date=\'Sep 26 2010, 11:51 AM\'][quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'248318\' date=\'Sep 26 2010, 07:52 AM\']I'd especially like to see the one with Alex Trebek, if indeed he did play.[/quote]Wait, I've never heard of this. When/how did this happen?[/quote]
That little tidbit came from me, through a researcher and reference book co-author who prefers to remain anonymous. Here's what I know, copied from a thread I started on the Sony Jeopardy board back in January:
Trebek HAS played Celebrity Jeopardy. Thing is, it was in 1974.
Don't know if this has ever been mentioned, or if I've got a wonderful new nugget of information. I was checking over some notes a researcher gave me about the Fleming-era Jeopardy, and it turns out that Alex was a celebrity player late in the original run of the show. What my guy found were original paper records from NBC that documented some interesting information about special shows or happenings.
Trebek appeared on one show the week of April 1-5, 1974 (and no, this isn't an April Fool's gag) as part of a special week marking the show's 10th anniversary. The notes say his opponents were Bill Hayes (at the time, a popular soap star) and Bill Bixby. He doesn't have any record of how they performed, who the other celebrities were that week, or why the producers picked two guys named "Bill" for the same show. At the time, Trebek was the host of a short-lived game show called "The Wizard of Odds". In fact, the notes indicate that Trebek made a walk-on appearance a month earlier, on March 7th, to plug his new game.
Celebrity games tied to the show's anniversary were apparently a tradition of sorts, as was using NBC daytime stars as celebs for those shows. According to the notes, a second anniversary game in 1966 featured Hugh Downs, Don Morrow and Monty Hall, and an eighth anniversary game in 1972 featured Peter Marshall, Bill Cullen and Art James. I actually have some photos from the 1972 game in my stash of Bill Cullen stuff.
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I thought the problem with Spin-Off was, while it exists, it is in a tape format that no current broadcast technology can use, and the cost to convert it is presumed to exceed any potential benefit. (Reportedly, this is why GSN didn't get through all of the earliest episodes of The Joker's Wild that were found at the same time.)
Hmmm...hadn't heard that one before but you may be right. I was under the impression the whole series was converted, but when the ratings weren't that great GSN pulled it after 8 months.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'248331\' date=\'Sep 26 2010, 12:16 PM\']
I thought the problem with Spin-Off was, while it exists, it is in a tape format that no current broadcast technology can use, and the cost to convert it is presumed to exceed any potential benefit. (Reportedly, this is why GSN didn't get through all of the earliest episodes of The Joker's Wild that were found at the same time.)
Hmmm...hadn't heard that one before but you may be right. I was under the impression the whole series was converted, but when the ratings weren't that great GSN pulled it after 8 months.[/quote]
That may be right - I'm pretty sure the reference to Spin-Off not being converted came from this forum, so it shouldn't be that hard to search and find out the facts about the early TJWs.
-- Don
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Speaking of Joker's Wild, while it was great for us fans to see the beginnings of the show, if the ratings were that bad I wonder why GSN didn't jump ahead in the run and show episodes from - let's say - the summer of 1974 onwards. Admittedly the show was kind of slow in the beginning, but by '74 it more closely resembled the syndicated version which was on GSN for years - and must have done a bit better ratings-wise.
Maybe they could have shown more of the network run that way.
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Speaking of Joker's Wild, while it was great for us fans to see the beginnings of the show, if the ratings were that bad I wonder why GSN didn't jump ahead in the run and show episodes from - let's say - the summer of 1974 onwards. Admittedly the show was kind of slow in the beginning, but by '74 it more closely resembled the syndicated version which was on GSN for years - and must have done a bit better ratings-wise.
I recall from many a source over the years that Joker's Wild (and Tic Tac Dough for that matter) were both of little ratings benefit to GSN no matter what version was being broadcast. Might explain why they never bothered putting Bullseye on the regular schedule.
There was even an article published years ago when Jake Tauber was still at the helm in which he stated that quizzers like TJW and TTD didn't do well for the network.
--Jamie
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They just added an episode of "Dotto" to tvsgameshow.com, TV4U's video site.
Thanks very much. There's a bunch of good stuff there.
Even better, especially for "Before They Were Stars" lovers -- it's the circulating 7/29/58 nighttime (NBC) episode with Connie Hines. Hard to believe that the show was just a few weeks away from being canned, setting off that huge chain reaction...
4. The episode of the original "Tic Tac Dough" featuring my sister's mother-in-law as a contestant.
5. The episode of the original "Jeopardy!" featuring my sister's mother-in-law as a contestant.
I'd love to hear more about these. :) Also, is there a PDQ celebrity listing I'm not aware of?
Obgameshow: Hey, I'll toss out another -- the first ABC Password from 1971.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'248365\' date=\'Sep 27 2010, 08:28 AM\']Speaking of Joker's Wild, while it was great for us fans to see the beginnings of the show, if the ratings were that bad I wonder why GSN didn't jump ahead in the run and show episodes from - let's say - the summer of 1974 onwards. Admittedly the show was kind of slow in the beginning, but by '74 it more closely resembled the syndicated version which was on GSN for years - and must have done a bit better ratings-wise.[/quote]
They made a number of changes starting with the 11th episode - I think the only remaining differences from "the version everybody remembers" were:
(a) The champion still went first;
(b) They still had the "Joker's Jackpot" (I remember quite a few Joker's Jackpot winners in the first tournament), so this may have lasted a while;
© No car for winning five games;
(d) They switched to the "jokers and devils" bonus round, but not the "money and devils" one;
(e) I think they still had the "if you keep playing, you risk your winnings" rule.
Anybody have any idea when these were changed as well?
(In the first two weeks, triples were worth $150 instead of $200, and three Jokers won the game without having to answer a question; there was also an entirely different bonus round where each of the three reels showed a prize, and you could either take the three prizes on the first spin or give them all back for a second spin.)
(Speaking of TJW...was there ever a game where they used up all seven Mystery Category questions?)
-- Don
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'248390\' date=\'Sep 28 2010, 12:35 AM\']Obgameshow: Hey, I'll toss out another -- the first ABC Password from 1971. There just aren't enough episodes of that thing.[/quote]
Your knowledge of game shows is so impressive.
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They made a number of changes starting with the 11th episode - I think the only remaining differences from "the version everybody remembers" were:
(a) The champion still went first;
(b) They still had the "Joker's Jackpot" (I remember quite a few Joker's Jackpot winners in the first tournament), so this may have lasted a while;
© No car for winning five games;
(d) They switched to the "jokers and devils" bonus round, but not the "money and devils" one;
(e) I think they still had the "if you keep playing, you risk your winnings" rule.
Anybody have any idea when these were changed as well?
That was surprising to see that many changes so soon. Interestingly enough, at the beginning of the 11th episode they had a carry-over contestant who first had to play the old bonus round. The revised Joker's and Devils bonus was introduced later in that episode.
The Joker's Jackpot rule was changed then too - for the first two weeks you had to win four games to claim it. After that it was three. Also, sometime early in 1973 they changed the rule that once you won the Joker's Jackpot you could keep playing as long as you hadn't reached the CBS maximun $25,000 yet. In March 1973 a lady left with over $19,000 and was the biggest early winner in the show's history.
Does anybody know exactly when the Money and Devils bonus round started? Was it after that special celebrity week in January 1974, or did it not start until later - closer to the summer maybe? I'm sure I remember the Money and Devils bonus in the summer of '74 - and the theme changed around that time too.