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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Lirodon on July 02, 2010, 11:07:28 AM
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Well, I guess the move to Orlando also means its time for a new set, according to the FF Twitter feed (http://\"http://twitter.com/Family_Feud\"), and I'm starting to think it may be a bit more retro-inspired than the current one (well, thenagain the O'Hurley set was supposed to be a modernization of the Dawson/Combs-era set)
Firstly, a tweet specifically mentioned a new set had been built, which is a no-brainer, but then it asked us if we remembered "this", and the resulting link for "this" was a screencap of the titlecard from the Dawson version. I'm starting to suspect something might be going on here, is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 11:07 AM\']is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
Isn't that what they did on Gameshow Marathon?
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'243491\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 11:07 AM\']is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
Isn't that what they did on Gameshow Marathon?
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Ahh no, I believe that was CGI on a projection screen
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243492\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:56 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'243491\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 11:07 AM\']is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
Isn't that what they did on Gameshow Marathon?
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Ahh no, I believe that was CGI on a projection screen
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Tis true. It was a modified version of Todd Robinson's Family Feud Software.
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It would not surprise me, if the show will be going back to a logo similar to the original one!
I say that because Endless Games, which is soon going to release a Fourth Edition of FF, originally had a prototype "Deluxe 4th Edition" featuring the current logo, and was supposedly going to feature a game board similar to the MB/Pressman versions. More recently, they show it in a smaller size box, called "Classic Family Feud," and showing the original logo!
Of course, EG still shows the original "Newlywed Game" logo on its forthcoming new version, so I could be wrong--just remember, I'd said it wouldn't surprise me!
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 11:07 AM\']Well, I guess the move to Orlando also means its time for a new set, according to the FF Twitter feed (http://\"http://twitter.com/Family_Feud\"), and I'm starting to think it may be a bit more retro-inspired than the current one (well, then again the O'Hurley set was supposed to be a modernization of the Dawson/Combs-era set)
Firstly, a tweet specifically mentioned a new set had been built, which is a no-brainer, but then it asked us if we remembered "this", and the resulting link for "this" was a screencap of the titlecard from the Dawson version. I'm starting to suspect something might be going on here, is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
Perhaps, but they'd have to be HUGE, wouldn't they? They also could be returning to the classic opening sequence and/or classic logo. (EDIT: No...no they didn't.)
A "new set" could very well be like Dawson's Return -- similar, but more "modern" (and, some would say, much more "sterile"). And get a director who has watched episodes from about 1980-93, because I miss the old "profile of family and their score" shot about as much as I miss the classic Bullseye bank displays.
And could somebody raid the "Classic Sound Effects" Department, grabbing the 1994-95 music while you're at it?
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But seriously, the most important thing is the rules. The only things I suggest changing are...
* Return the Lollipop Trees, with a black stem awarding a $250 bonus. I know it's silly, but you guys have been returning a classic element each season. Not only do they add a bit more color to the set, and may award a family some extra cash, but any lollipops drawn would not be replaced until a black-stemmed one is found (even if a new family comes in), increasing the odds of awarding the bonus.
* Increase the goal to $400. Yes, dollars. Time to make the main-game a little more relevant!
* Increase the number of rounds per game. Three is nowhere near enough, and no Sudden Death crap either. Back in the day, those families had to earn their $200/$300/$400 -- even if it took seven rounds!
* Increase the amount given for a Fast Money loss to $10/point. No offense, but the "$5/point" rule has been in place since the 1975 PILOT. Inflation has been long past due, guys.
* No returning-championship limit. Having a limit makes you look behind the times, and getting rid of said limit may draw in quite the audience if a family keeps winning (see Thom McKee, Tic-Tac-Dough).
* Related to the above, award a prize after every fifth game a family wins. The car for a fifth win, maybe a trip for the tenth, and so on.
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So let me get this straight...you harp on changing the rules. and the VERY FIRST THING you start babbling about is:
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:44 AM\']* Return the Lollipop Trees, with a black stem awarding a $250 bonus.[/quote]
This throwaway? Are you frigging kidding me?
* Increase the goal to $400. Yes, dollars. Time to make the main-game a little more relevant!
Congratulations. You just made it LESS relevant by exponentially increasing the importance of the later rounds.
* Increase the number of rounds per game. Three is nowhere near enough, and no Sudden Death crap either. Back in the day, those families had to earn their $200/$300/$400 -- even if it took seven rounds!
You don't have the first freakin' clue about how to time out a show. You have 22:30 (or thereabouts; I have no idea what that number is there days; likely it's less and I'm sure someone will be along to correct me momentarily) to shoehorn all this in.
Though I wouldn't put it past you to suggest the show be aired commercial-free, too.
* Related to the above, award a car after every fifth game a family wins. It's just common sense.
My, but spending other people's money is fun!
You should look up the posts of one "Thad Dixon." Because you are now displaying every single clueless tendency he did. Gotta tell you, you're picking some fine people to emulate.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 12:44 PM\']* Increase the amount given for a Fast Money loss to $10/point. No offense, but the "$5/point" rule has been in place since the 1975 PILOT. Inflation has been long past due, guys.[/quote]
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I agree with this statement.
I don't see how a maximum of $1990 split between five people is "Mo'Money". Some may disagree and that's fine.
/Danny Boy's other "suggestions"? Facepalm.
//OT: RIP Don Coryell
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'243500\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 11:01 AM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 12:44 PM\']* Increase the amount given for a Fast Money loss to $10/point. No offense, but the "$5/point" rule has been in place since the 1975 PILOT. Inflation has been long past due, guys.[/quote]
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I agree with this statement.[/quote]
I'm fine with how things are, but at the same time I have said in the past that I would accept this as a compromise, and I still would.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243499\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:57 PM\']You have 22:30 (or thereabouts; I have no idea what that number is there days; likely it's less and I'm sure someone will be along to correct me momentarily) to shoehorn all this in.[/quote]It's about 21:00, judging from a recent episode. Doesn't make your point less valid which, unfortunately still doesn't mean Benfield will ever quit.
/I'm thinking maybe a spin-off a la Herman's Head just so we can see what the hell goes on in his mind.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243499\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:57 PM\']You don't have the first freakin' clue about how to time out a show. You have 22:30 (or thereabouts; I have no idea what that number is there days; likely it's less and I'm sure someone will be along to correct me momentarily) to shoehorn all this in.[/quote]I would assume it's closer to 20:00 (not a regular watcher). Price runs 38:30, give or take for a hour. Gotta remember there's the Bullseye game shoehorned in there, too. You might be able to squeeze one more round in there (Single/Double/Double/Triple?), but to say they should go 7, nada.
$10/point is the only change that really should be made, but I'm not losing sleep over it.
EDIT: Chad beat me to the punch on timing.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM\']* Increase the number of rounds per game. Three is nowhere near enough, and no Sudden Death crap either. Back in the day, those families had to earn their $200/$300/$400 -- even if it took seven rounds![/quote]
The 300 rule is fine with the 21 minutes and change they have, and I actually don't mind the sudden death rule. Besides, you have the Bullseye game, so the only way they'd pull off your idea is by either dropping Bullseye or making the show an hour long. Would you rather go back to the flawed one strike Triple round?
* Related to the above, award a car after every fifth game a family wins. It's just common sense.
Barry & Enright got away with this because the car was a cheap compact car, that even with inflation, is probably worth about $15,000. A base model Chrysler 300 is almost twice that, (http://\"http://autos.yahoo.com/2010_chrysler_300/\") and you want to give them away for every five-game win?
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 12:44 PM\']And get a director who has watched episodes from about 1980-93, because I miss the old "profile of family and their score" shot about as much as I miss the classic Bullseye bank displays.[/quote]
I remember bringing something like this up when O Hurley Feud added the podium scoreboards pretty quickly into the first season. I'd like them to go back to the original blocking, only because right now, the board scoreboards are useless and rarely seen, and the eggcrates looked out of place with the flatscreen boards and all. I'd like them to be a little more creative with camera angles and blocking to make the board scoreboards work, but I don't see that changing. No biggie- I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243507\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 02:54 PM\']I'd like them to be a little more creative with camera angles and blocking to make the board scoreboards work, but I don't see that changing. No biggie- I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.[/quote]
To me it just seems so odd to have two sets of scoreboards, it's almost gratuitous. If anything, make the eggcrates the Bullseye display (a la the later Combs years and New Dawson season). The one thing I found most jarring about the O'Hurley set was the fact that they kept eggcrates on the desks, but the monitors w/Times New Roman on the board. Would love to see the displays be more consistent, either all eggcrates or all monitors.
Or perhaps LED displays? #goinggreen
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 12:44 PM\']* No returning-championship limit. Having a limit makes you look behind the times, and getting rid of said limit may draw in quite the audience if a family keeps winning (see Thom McKee, Tic-Tac-Dough).[/quote]Wheel of Fortune doesn't even have returning champions. Does this make them behind the times?
Chris has articulated anything else I needed to say.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM\']* Return the Lollipop Trees, with a black stem awarding a $250 bonus.[/quote]
I admit this shouldn't have been first...or at all. I was listing by the general flow of the game, and the fact that the show has brought back some classic element each season.
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM\']* Increase the goal to $400.[/quote]
...Yeah, that was too high. $300 would fit with the current(?) rules, but allow for a bit more money to be given away.
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM\']* Increase the number of rounds per game.[/quote]
I forgot about runtimes >:-(. A half-hour today is far less than a half-hour 35 years ago. And no, I don't want the lame one-Strike round.
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM\']* [A]ward a car after every fifth game a family wins. It's just common sense.[/quote]
Okay, NOT common sense and DEFINITELY not a car, as was explained.
[quote name=\'Modor\'][quote name=\'Dan88\']* No returning-championship limit. Having a limit makes you look behind the times, and getting rid of said limit may draw in quite the audience if a family keeps winning.[/quote]Wheel of Fortune doesn't even have returning champions. Does this make them behind the times?[/quote]
Wheel gives away quite a bit (usually), with a potential six- or seven-figure payout each night. Generally, Feud gives away much less, so theoretically they should be able to afford having a "sky's the limit" policy. There is no reason not to have returning champs if you're doing a low-budget program, unless you're A) stupid or B) a cable network...or C) your format is too constricting to allow returning champs.
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:07 AM\']Well, I guess the move to Orlando also means its time for a new set, according to the FF Twitter feed (http://\"http://twitter.com/Family_Feud\"), and I'm starting to think it may be a bit more retro-inspired than the current one (well, thenagain the O'Hurley set was supposed to be a modernization of the Dawson/Combs-era set)
Firstly, a tweet specifically mentioned a new set had been built, which is a no-brainer, but then it asked us if we remembered "this", and the resulting link for "this" was a screencap of the titlecard from the Dawson version. I'm starting to suspect something might be going on here, is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
Also, another hint.. don't know is this is strong enough to go by, but in the picture of Steve Harvey with the add for Comfort Inn Family Reunion Sweepstakes, it has a more retro-ish' survey board as well.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243514\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 04:35 PM\']There is no reason not to have returning champs if you're doing a low-budget program, unless you're A) stupid or B) a cable network...or C) your format is too constricting to allow returning champs.[/quote]
...or D) you want to be cost-effective and have enough money to last you throughout the season?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'243520\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 05:49 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243514\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 04:35 PM\']There is no reason not to have returning champs if you're doing a low-budget program, unless you're A) stupid or B) a cable network...or C) your format is too constricting to allow returning champs.[/quote]
...or D) you want to be cost-effective and have enough money to last you throughout the season?[/quote]
In fairness, having returning champs on a show like Feud probably doesn't significantly affect the budget one way or the other. A team is either going to win the bonus or not win the bonus, and it doesn't matter to the budget if the wins all go to one family or to a bunch of different families. A good family with a string of wins under their belts might have a marginally better chance to win the bonuses more often, but there are ways to adjust the difficulty of that too.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243506\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 12:54 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM\']* Increase the number of rounds per game. Three is nowhere near enough, and no Sudden Death crap either. Back in the day, those families had to earn their $200/$300/$400 -- even if it took seven rounds![/quote]
The 300 rule is fine with the 21 minutes and change they have, and I actually don't mind the sudden death rule. Besides, you have the Bullseye game, so the only way they'd pull off your idea is by either dropping Bullseye or making the show an hour long. Would you rather go back to the flawed one strike Triple round?
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You could squeeze another round in IF you 86'ed the Bullseye round AND the "let's pick a spot in the studio backlot, hang up a FF sign and have the family make a home-movie-esque introduction of themselves" segments. And while they're at it, let's just get back to "simple" survey questions ("Name a side dish you'd bring to a summer BBQ") instead of turning them into elaborate questions ("If you were invited to Garth Brooks' ranch for a good-old western cookout, name a type of food you would bring to share").
* Related to the above, award a car after every fifth game a family wins. It's just common sense.
I say get rid of the 5-wins-for-a-car perk and just concentrate on a flat $20-25K per Fast Money win. And let the families stay on until defeated. If they win enough games, they can buy their own freakin' cars and then not have to fight over the ONE car they win!!!
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243493\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 12:05 PM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243492\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:56 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'243491\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 11:07 AM\']is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]Isn't that what they did on Gameshow Marathon?[/quote]Ahh no, I believe that was CGI on a projection screen[/quote]Tis true. It was a modified version of Todd Robinson's Family Feud Software.[/quote]
My mistake...I was reading it as "making a monitor act like a trilon."
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[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'243519\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 04:47 PM\']Also, another hint.. don't know is this is strong enough to go by, but in the picture of Steve Harvey with the add for Comfort Inn Family Reunion Sweepstakes, it has a more retro-ish' survey board as well.[/quote]If we saw the same ad, then I'm not looking too much into it. (http://\"http://choicehotels.promo.eprize.com/family/\") Unless, of course, you saw something more elaborate than this....
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243514\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 03:35 PM\']I admit this shouldn't have been first...or at all.//...Yeah, that was too high.//I forgot about runtimes.//Okay, NOT common sense and DEFINITELY not a car, as was explained.[/quote]
You do this every time you post...you type without thinking, and when you get called out, you rescind everything you say. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of your posting in the fist place? I'd rather you post less and smarter than to post more often with little substance. I don't think I'm alone on this.
Don't reply to this with a long apology about how you have a tendency to shoot your mouth off, either. It's not necessary.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243497\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:44 AM\'](and, some would say, much more "sterile").[/quote] Who is this "some"?
I'm not going to rag on you because you haven't ever budgeted, or produced a game show. I haven't either.
But seriously, the most important thing is the rules. The only things I suggest changing are...
* Return the Lollipop Trees, with a black stem awarding a $250 bonus. I know it's silly, but you guys have been returning a classic element each season. Not only do they add a bit more color to the set, and may award a family some extra cash, but any lollipops drawn would not be replaced until a black-stemmed one is found (even if a new family comes in), increasing the odds of awarding the bonus.
Why does the dollar amount matter? Why can't it be $50, or $500, or have the person pull a ball from a huge drum with numbers from 1 to 118? Why should the odds get better the longer it has been since the Family on Stage Right pulled a lucky lolly?
* Increase the goal to $400. Yes, dollars. Time to make the main-game a little more relevant!
Relevant to what, exactly? You have to win to play for the big money. That's pretty flipping relevant.
* Increase the number of rounds per game. Three is nowhere near enough, and no Sudden Death crap either. Back in the day, those families had to earn their $200/$300/$400 -- even if it took seven rounds!
Here's the thing: since Family Feud is played to a point goal and not to time or a particular number of rounds, Family Feud is essentially a one-round game. If you win the last round of the show, you win the game. Everything else is a practice.
and as to your comment about earning $200/$300/$400, it was frequent that a game would be won in three rounds when the goal was $200. So they cut back Richard's monologue time and lengthened the game play.
Having hosted Family Feud at game nights, and at Christmas parties, I can tell you that even when you remove the opportunity of winning thousands of dollars, the game is still fun. People want to hear the CLANG! of the board (even metaphorically) and to laugh or shake their head at the questions and answers.
Seven rounds makes six of the rounds completely worthless, and it means you have to barnstorm through the tensest portion of the game. This would actually be an easy fix, because on the last month of shows I saw, there were always six, seven or eight answers on the board. I long for the days when you'd see top three answers on the board, and the split was 78/15/6, so that there'd be a winner after that.
* No returning-championship limit. Having a limit makes you look behind the times,
Shenanigans. SheNANigans, Officer Barbrady. On Jeopardy or Joker's Wild, you get to know a single contestant over the course of however long their championship tenure is. On Family Feud, if you aren't the captain, your time on the show is either at the buzzer or saying "Good answer!" Players on Family Feud are interchangeable cogs.
* Related to the above, award a car after every fifth game a family wins. It's just common sense.
You, sir, are not in a position to chastise others about common sense. Jeopardy has no limit, but hasn't given away cars for years.
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I'd like more content, too, but there's not really a great way to do tihat without hacking the show even more. For that matter, if the days of "HER BEWBS- 92" being on the board are gone, I could put up with a lot of crappe.
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Okay, how about a couple small fixes that might actually be interesting...
Dump Bullseye and the car and institute the Bert's Family Feud version of Fast Money. Basically, it accomplishes the same thing as Bullseye, and doesn't waste a segment to do it. And I LIKE Bullseye for the record. And frankly, I just don't see the logic in offering a car on a team game, family or no, especially something other than a station wagon or an SUV.
Dump the stupid family intro videos and make Steve Harvey actually interview the families. I'm hoping they already thought of this. One of the things I didn't like about John O'Hurley was that he always had this air about him when he dealt with the contestants that said, "ewwww, commoners. Get away from me." I think that's the real reason they instituted those dumb videos...so he wouldn't have to try to talk to them. Harvey on the hand strikes me as a far more warmer and sociable fellow. I can only hope he'll have a better level skill in interacting with the families.
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[quote name=\'Game Show Man\' post=\'243548\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 10:34 AM\']I think that's the real reason they instituted those dumb videos...so he wouldn't have to try to talk to them.[/quote]Oooor it's a lot quicker to have a 20-second pre-packaged video than to be at the whim of the contestant's pacing with an interview? It's all about time saving, people.
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If all we get to hear is "and my brother Cletus," then why bother introducing the team members at all? "Here's the Smith family! Here's the Jones family! It's time to play The Family Feud!"
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:07 AM\']Well, I guess the move to Orlando also means its time for a new set, according to the FF Twitter feed (http://\"http://twitter.com/Family_Feud\"), and I'm starting to think it may be a bit more retro-inspired than the current one (well, thenagain the O'Hurley set was supposed to be a modernization of the Dawson/Combs-era set)
Firstly, a tweet specifically mentioned a new set had been built, which is a no-brainer, but then it asked us if we remembered "this", and the resulting link for "this" was a screencap of the titlecard from the Dawson version. I'm starting to suspect something might be going on here, is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
By "giant trilon of HD monitors" do you mean Donny Osmond Pyramid with the rising monitors in the Winner's Circle?
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'243554\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 01:36 PM\'][quote name=\'Game Show Man\' post=\'243548\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 10:34 AM\']I think that's the real reason they instituted those dumb videos...so he wouldn't have to try to talk to them.[/quote]Oooor it's a lot quicker to have a 20-second pre-packaged video than to be at the whim of the contestant's pacing with an interview? It's all about time saving, people.
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I don't think the videos saved any time at all; it seemed like it was just something to spice up the show.
LOUIE/RICHARD/JOHN/STEVE: Welcome...introduce us to the Johnsons...
CAPTAIN: This here is my doting husband Gary, sister Rhonda, son Gregory, and daughter Paula!
(cheers)
I just timed that out and it was under ten seconds, and it cut to the chase. You can find out what the team members do when Steve comes to them during the survey question...
/LOUIE: What do you do?
//CONTESTANT: I'm a lawyer.
///LOUIE: Get a rope!
////From the first episode back in Sept. 1999
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[quote name=\'SuperMatch93\' post=\'243556\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 02:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243488\' date=\'Jul 2 2010, 10:07 AM\']Well, I guess the move to Orlando also means its time for a new set, according to the FF Twitter feed (http://\"http://twitter.com/Family_Feud\"), and I'm starting to think it may be a bit more retro-inspired than the current one (well, thenagain the O'Hurley set was supposed to be a modernization of the Dawson/Combs-era set)
Firstly, a tweet specifically mentioned a new set had been built, which is a no-brainer, but then it asked us if we remembered "this", and the resulting link for "this" was a screencap of the titlecard from the Dawson version. I'm starting to suspect something might be going on here, is technology good enough nowadays to make a giant trilon of HD monitors?[/quote]
By "giant trilon of HD monitors" do you mean Donny Osmond Pyramid with the rising monitors in the Winner's Circle?
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No I mean literally, a giant triangle of 3 HD monitors. Like the old old board. Not like Donnymid.
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No I mean literally, a giant triangle of 3 HD monitors. Like the old old board. Not like Donnymid.
I'm all for anything that gets back to the "needlepoint/fiddle music" roots of the show. I've always said that's what makes it "Family Feud". Without it, it's "Family Fortunes".
But why would they need three monitors? They could get by just fine with one.
I'd be willing to be they go back to the mechanical "flipping" board, and use a monitor for Fast Money.
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[quote name=\'SamPrainito\' post=\'243563\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 02:58 PM\']I'd be willing to be they go back to the mechanical "flipping" board, and use a monitor for Fast Money.[/quote]
That would be an interesting sight, but it's simply impractical. Playing the game on a giant monitor instead of printing up 30 answer placards a show is just so much more cost-effective.
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I agree.
But even the mechanical board is still more cost-effective than the cost three giant HD monitors, as Lidoron suggested.
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[quote name=\'SamPrainito\' post=\'243565\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 03:25 PM\']But even the mechanical board is still more cost-effective than the cost three giant HD monitors, as Lidoron suggested.[/quote]
Do you know that for a fact? 'Cuz I bet you're wrong.
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I thought I had read somewhere that the top prize was back down to 20k, which would indicate that Bullseye went away (imo a good thing).
If I wanted to do 500, I'd do 1x/2x/2x/3x/3x, but the way the show's blocked out would have to change, and since they aren't playing for cash in the front game, it really doesn't matter.
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[quote name=\'Game Show Man\' post=\'243548\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 09:34 AM\']Okay, how about a couple small fixes that might actually be interesting...
Dump Bullseye and the car and institute the Bert's Family Feud version of Fast Money.[/quote]
I really wasn't a big fan of the way they did Fast Money..it just seemed broken. There was no suspense, because if the first player gets all 5 number ones, the second player is 40 or less points away, and the celebration is (almost) inevitable and therefore not climatic. But if you flip that around... Dad has a tough round, nets us 47 points, I bat cleanup, get all 5 number ones, and we only get $5K....wha? I work my tail off in cleanup for the door prize? Equal pay for equal work, my friend. I'd rather take the Family Fortunes route, and offer a larger cash prize for winning with all 5 number ones on the board.
[quote name=\'Game Show Man\' post=\'243548\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 09:34 AM\']
Dump the stupid family intro videos and make Steve Harvey actually interview the families.[/quote]
Agreed. The contestant vids this season were way too cheesy for me. Besides, it's roughly 15-20 seconds per family, IIRC, cause they also talk about what they'll do if they win a chunk of change. Ask the captain what (s)he does, and have them introduce the team. It's the same amount of time.
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Get rid of the families and make it unrelated teams of five. Get rid of the points in main game and make it best two out of three. 200 points to win in Fast Money and increase the # questions and the time alotted to make it winnable, but more of a challenge. Timing problem solved.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'243579\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 06:01 PM\']Get rid of the families and make it unrelated teams of five.[/quote]
Huh? (http://\"http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4853/notsureifseriousj.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243580\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 09:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'243579\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 06:01 PM\']Get rid of the families and make it unrelated teams of five.[/quote]
Huh? (http://\"http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4853/notsureifseriousj.jpg\")
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Chris, you correctly got it. It was sort of a knock on the Pyramid plans. Serious about the rest, though.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243566\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 05:33 PM\']'Cuz I bet you're wrong.[/quote]
I probably am. Got a little carried away there. Sorry.
I'm just happy that based on what we're hearing, it sounds like the show could be going back to it's "needlepoint/fiddle music" roots.
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[quote name=\'SamPrainito\' post=\'243589\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 09:00 PM\']I probably am. Got a little carried away there. Sorry.[/quote]
Fair enough. Just gotta take into account that it's not just the price of building the actual set piece and printing up cards, but the salaries of the stagehands you need to operate it. That's where the REAL savings is. Just a wild-assed guess, but I bet the old Feud paid someone to operate the eggcrate boards, someone to operate the manual game board, and a couple of stagehands behind the board to load / rotate it. With an LCD screen you are boiling four jobs down into one, AND you'll never have a prolonged stop-down in the case of mechanical error. That pays for itself in a HURRY.
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Uh, what happened to the bullseye round?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'243567\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 05:31 PM\']...and since they aren't playing for cash in the front game, it really doesn't matter.[/quote]
They should bring back the "playing for dollars, not points" and raise the stakes a tad.
Simple award system:
Front Game: $5 per point for both families' final scores at the end of the match ($500 minimum for losing family if score < 100 pts.).
Fast Money: $10 per point if Fast Money is not won.
On average, on a non-winning Fast Money day, you probably split $3-4K between 2 families. Nothing to write home about, but a nice 1/2 hour's pay for the families that don't win big.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'243607\' date=\'Jul 4 2010, 01:08 PM\']Uh, what happened to the bullseye round?[/quote]
God decided it wasn't a good fit.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'243641\' date=\'Jul 4 2010, 08:24 PM\']Front Game: $5 per point for both families' final scores at the end of the match ($500 minimum for losing family if score < 100 pts.).
Fast Money: $10 per point if Fast Money is not won.[/quote]Let's say the final score is 427-290. $3,585 being paid out. Let's say they score 180 in fast money. That's another $1800. You're paying out almost $4500 more in just one episode then you have been since 'Nam.
Next.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'243607\' date=\'Jul 4 2010, 01:08 PM\']Uh, what happened to the bullseye round?[/quote]Fremantle was too busy making pilots for dash 4 cash, lucky cards, the 25,000 body language, cheap skates, pleasure palace, on the binders, name that tune, and great expectations to write questions for bullseye.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'243668\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 03:52 AM\']Fremantle was too busy making pilots for dash 4 cash, lucky cards, the 25,000 body language, cheap skates, pleasure palace...[/quote]
Don't you run the Pleasure Palace? ;-)
Sorry, it's now known as The Pleasure Palace Studios.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'243676\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 07:58 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'243668\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 03:52 AM\']Fremantle was too busy making pilots for dash 4 cash, lucky cards, the 25,000 body language, cheap skates, pleasure palace...[/quote]
Don't you run the Pleasure Palace? ;-)
Sorry, it's now known as The Pleasure Palace Studios.
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If he does, no "happy endings" there.
ObFeudSet: As usual, I'll wait until I actually, y'know, see what they do before I make my comments.
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Here's the short dialog that I had with the Family Feud Twitter person over the last couple days-
Me: Wait...you guys have a new set this season?
Family Feud: of course!
Me: So is this new set a retro throwback as well, or are you just teasing us, lol?
Family Feud: not a "retro throwback"...but very nice. especially the floor!
And yes, in hindsight, I realized the "retro throwback" term was redundant. Nonetheless, unless the FF Twitter-er is an idiot or a liar, it looks like we have a brand new set....or re-imagining, rather.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243688\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 12:39 PM\']And yes, in hindsight, I realized the "retro throwback" term was redundant. Nonetheless, unless the FF Twitter-er is an idiot or a liar, it looks like we have a brand new set....or re-imagining, rather.[/quote]
Plus a really cool floor.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243693\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 01:00 PM\'][quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243688\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 12:39 PM\']And yes, in hindsight, I realized the "retro throwback" term was redundant. Nonetheless, unless the FF Twitter-er is an idiot or a liar, it looks like we have a brand new set....or re-imagining, rather.[/quote]
Plus a really cool floor.
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If it's what I think it is, and it's a floor that changes colors just because it can, then I'm not sold. But then again, it might not be that. Can't wait to see what they have in store, though. If I remember correctly, they start taping this weekend, and it'd be cool to get a Youtube tease or two like what they did when O Hurley became host.
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Maybe, MD Password style, the center area raises up 6 inches for Fast Money.
(Hey, they've got to amortize that podium someplace)
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243578\' date=\'Jul 3 2010, 07:55 PM\']I really wasn't a big fan of the way they did Fast Money..it just seemed broken. There was no suspense, because if the first player gets all 5 number ones, the second player is 40 or less points away, and the celebration is (almost) inevitable and therefore not climatic. But if you flip that around... Dad has a tough round, nets us 47 points, I bat cleanup, get all 5 number ones, and we only get $5K....wha? I work my tail off in cleanup for the door prize? Equal pay for equal work, my friend. I'd rather take the Family Fortunes route, and offer a larger cash prize for winning with all 5 number ones on the board.[/quote]
Anything is better than the current format, where you can nail all 5 number ones and get nothing more than $800 for your efforts. Even my dad rants about how impossible the bonus round is when the #1's are worth 20-23-26 points.
(Actually, I'm not familiar with the rules you're quoting, and a Google/Wikipedia search is turning up nothing. How did they do Fast Money exactly? The first person gets some sort of bonus for #1's? I'm not really following.)
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'243667\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 02:50 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'243641\' date=\'Jul 4 2010, 08:24 PM\']Front Game: $5 per point for both families' final scores at the end of the match ($500 minimum for losing family if score < 100 pts.).
Fast Money: $10 per point if Fast Money is not won.[/quote]Let's say the final score is 427-290. $3,585 being paid out. Let's say they score 180 in fast money. That's another $1800. You're paying out almost $4500 more in just one episode then you have been since 'Nam.[/quote]
So? How much more is Jeopardy! paying out every episode than they did in 1984? How much more is Wheel of Fortune paying out in the Speed-Up Round alone than they did in 1976?
Cash payouts that looked fine thirty years ago can seem outright chintzy in 2010. Not that I'm saying Feud needs an injection of Mo' Money, but you're allowed to make at least a token gesture toward inflation once every couple decades or so.
/Also, I'd rather say 'Each person on the team gets $290' than 'We'll give you $5 per point, for a total of $1,450'
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:28 AM\'](Actually, I'm not familiar with the rules you're quoting, and a Google/Wikipedia search is turning up nothing. How did they do Fast Money exactly? The first person gets some sort of bonus for #1's? I'm not really following.)[/quote]
The pot is decided by how many #1 answers the first person gets.
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243761\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:02 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:28 AM\'](Actually, I'm not familiar with the rules you're quoting, and a Google/Wikipedia search is turning up nothing. How did they do Fast Money exactly? The first person gets some sort of bonus for #1's? I'm not really following.)[/quote]
The pot is decided by how many #1 answers the first person gets.
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0 Number Ones: $5,000
1 Number Ones: $10,000
2 Number Ones: $15,000
3 Number Ones: $25,000
4 Number Ones: $50,000
5 Number Ones: $100,000
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 07:28 AM\']/Also, I'd rather say 'Each person on the team gets $290' than 'We'll give you $5 per point, for a total of $1,450'[/quote]
Wait, you're complaining about chintzy payouts, and you want to make them look even chintzier by doing this?
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243762\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:19 AM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243761\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:02 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:28 AM\'](Actually, I'm not familiar with the rules you're quoting, and a Google/Wikipedia search is turning up nothing. How did they do Fast Money exactly? The first person gets some sort of bonus for #1's? I'm not really following.)[/quote]
The pot is decided by how many #1 answers the first person gets.
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0 Number Ones: $5,000
1 Number Ones: $10,000
2 Number Ones: $15,000
3 Number Ones: $25,000
4 Number Ones: $50,000
5 Number Ones: $100,000
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Trying to remember what 100MD/QDLG did for a five-number-one's Dinero Rapido win...any help out there? (I want to say it was a bonus added to the usual winnings)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243768\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 11:34 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 07:28 AM\']/Also, I'd rather say 'Each person on the team gets $290' than 'We'll give you $5 per point, for a total of $1,450'[/quote]
Wait, you're complaining about chintzy payouts, and you want to make them look even chintzier by doing this?
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You have a point. I hadn't thought of it that way.
[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243762\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:19 AM\'][quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243761\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:02 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 10:28 AM\'](Actually, I'm not familiar with the rules you're quoting, and a Google/Wikipedia search is turning up nothing. How did they do Fast Money exactly? The first person gets some sort of bonus for #1's? I'm not really following.)[/quote]
The pot is decided by how many #1 answers the first person gets.
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0 Number Ones: $5,000
1 Number Ones: $10,000
2 Number Ones: $15,000
3 Number Ones: $25,000
4 Number Ones: $50,000
5 Number Ones: $100,000
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Thanks.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' post=\'243771\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 12:22 PM\']Trying to remember what 100MD/QDLG did for a five-number-one's Dinero Rapido win...any help out there? (I want to say it was a bonus added to the usual winnings)[/quote]
Regardless of whether the actual round was won or not ($500 if it wasn't, anywhere from $5K-$15K if it was), five #1's in DR meant $1000 ($2000 for a week in 12/07).
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'243760\' date=\'Jul 6 2010, 08:28 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'243667\' date=\'Jul 5 2010, 02:50 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'243641\' date=\'Jul 4 2010, 08:24 PM\']Front Game: $5 per point for both families' final scores at the end of the match ($500 minimum for losing family if score < 100 pts.).
Fast Money: $10 per point if Fast Money is not won.[/quote]Let's say the final score is 427-290. $3,585 being paid out. Let's say they score 180 in fast money. That's another $1800. You're paying out almost $4500 more in just one episode then you have been since 'Nam.[/quote]
So? How much more is Jeopardy! paying out every episode than they did in 1984? How much more is Wheel of Fortune paying out in the Speed-Up Round alone than they did in 1976?
Cash payouts that looked fine thirty years ago can seem outright chintzy in 2010. Not that I'm saying Feud needs an injection of Mo' Money, but you're allowed to make at least a token gesture toward inflation once every couple decades or so.
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Besides, being in Orlando this season, the odds are that you won't have to pay that many people to be an "audience member". So upping the consolation prizes a tad should be a wash anyways. And I'd much rather be giving money to people who are actually playing the game than paying people to ooh, ahh, and applaud every 30 seconds.
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Buzzerblog's got the first new set pic....it looks like there are a few alterations, but basically the same as last season. I wasn't a big fan of the audience in the round, so I'm glad that's gone. The new podiums look kinda short, but the stage looks like it could be blocked to use the board scoreboards for a change. It also looks like they're using the long family signs from Celebrity Family Feud.
http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/first...amily-feud-set/ (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/first-look-at-the-new-family-feud-set/\")
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243898\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 04:03 PM\']Buzzerblog's got the first new set pic....it looks like there are a few alterations, but basically the same as last season.[/quote]
I dunno. With HDTV becoming more prevalent, you'd think they would have went with a less-blurry set.
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'243899\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 05:24 PM\'][quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243898\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 04:03 PM\']Buzzerblog's got the first new set pic....it looks like there are a few alterations, but basically the same as last season.[/quote]
I dunno. With HDTV becoming more prevalent, you'd think they would have went with a less-blurry set.
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Detracts that new floor, for sure.
ObSet: OK, I'm curious how the new buzz-in podiums will work. Count me as interested.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'243900\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 06:00 PM\'][quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'243899\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 05:24 PM\'][quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243898\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 04:03 PM\']Buzzerblog's got the first new set pic....it looks like there are a few alterations, but basically the same as last season.[/quote]
I dunno. With HDTV becoming more prevalent, you'd think they would have went with a less-blurry set.
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Detracts that new floor, for sure.
ObSet: OK, I'm curious how the new buzz-in podiums will work. Count me as interested.
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Yeah, it might be a bad shot, but they look like elongated plungers (that's what stops the clock) rather than the traditional buttons on other sets.
Big plus = backdrops no longer look like sewer tunnels.
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I like it. It's retro yet modern, and it fits nicely. I like that the score displays are finally matching, and not eggcrates on the desks while you have monitors on the big board. Just looked jarring.
Gotta admit, I'll miss the...whatever the hell were those shapes called that were a throwback to the Dawson and Combs eras? The boxes with boxes sticking from the corners? I'm kidding, but I am wondering what that shape is called.
/Geometry was not my friend
//Can't you tell?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243917\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 11:41 PM\']I like it. It's retro yet modern, and it fits nicely. I like that the score displays are finally matching, and not eggcrates on the desks while you have monitors on the big board. Just looked jarring.
Gotta admit, I'll miss the...whatever the hell were those shapes called that were a throwback to the Dawson and Combs eras? The boxes with boxes sticking from the corners? I'm kidding, but I am wondering what that shape is called.
/Geometry was not my friend
//Can't you tell?[/quote]
No worries; I've called the shape "castle crown" for some time.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243917\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 09:41 PM\']The boxes with boxes sticking from the corners? I'm kidding, but I am wondering what that shape is called.[/quote]Irregular icosagon?
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243921\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 01:29 AM\']No worries; I've called the shape "castle crown" for some time.[/quote]
Ooh...I like that. :-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243924\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 12:49 AM\'][quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243921\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 01:29 AM\']No worries; I've called the shape "castle crown" for some time.[/quote]
Ooh...I like that. :-)
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Why thank you, sir.
By the way, here's the twitpic from where the original photo came (http://\"http://twitpic.com/245k3u/full\"); its a bit bigger, so you can see everything a little more up close. I REALLY like those new podiums. One can't help but think what the entire set would look like under that motif.
It also looks like there's just a large circle on the floor that changes color, not the whole thing- I assume it'll go red when Fast Money starts.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243932\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 12:31 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243924\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 12:49 AM\'][quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243921\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 01:29 AM\']No worries; I've called the shape "castle crown" for some time.[/quote]
Ooh...I like that. :-)
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Why thank you, sir.
By the way, here's the twitpic from where the original photo came (http://\"http://twitpic.com/245k3u/full\"); its a bit bigger, so you can see everything a little more up close. I REALLY like those new podiums. One can't help but think what the entire set would look like under that motif.
It also looks like there's just a large circle on the floor that changes color, not the whole thing- I assume it'll go red when Fast Money starts.
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OK. There's the "traditional" buzzers.
And is that a new font for the FM board?
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The scoreboards on the families' lecturns shouldn't be in the middle, as they have been for a while. They give the center the emphasis, but that's not where the head of the family is. So they should either be in that spot, or if they wanted to be flashy, have lights lead to it and put it on the far end (this would work like the lights leading to the scores on the big center set piece).
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'243932\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 11:31 AM\']By the way, here's the twitpic from where the original photo came (http://\"http://twitpic.com/245k3u/full\"); its a bit bigger, so you can see everything a little more up close. I REALLY like those new podiums. One can't help but think what the entire set would look like under that motif.[/quote]
Ya know, I was hoping for the set to resemble "Bert's Family Feud", the most recent Australian-based revival hosted by Bert Newton. But this works.
It's not *TOO* much of a departure from the O'Hurley years. Nice to see the family name displays again. It's also good to see the theater-in-the-round concept's gone. I never really warmed up to that.
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Speaking of what they kept for the new season, I am glad that they kept the classic "Stewie Griffin" Family Feud game board. IMO, it is an integral part of the Family Feud set, and when they ditched it during the Anderson-Karn era, I always felt that they were trying too hard to modernize the show, so when they brought it back in 2006, I always thought that was to serve as an (30th) anniversary tribute. Glad they kept it though.
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Geez, would it kill the guy to hold the damn camera still?
I'm glad the eggcrates are gone. I hope they display the Bullseye totals somewhere other than on-screen (in place of the family names during the round, perhaps). That is, assuming Bullseye is sticking around.
This studio looks much roomier than the LA one, too. Now even less of an excuse IMO to not use the classic bank win blocking. Now if they just ditch the 30-second loop of the Combs theme, it'll be Feud perfection.
[quote name=\'dmota104\' post=\'243961\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 07:30 PM\']Ya know, I was hoping for the set to resemble "Bert's Family Feud", the most recent Australian-based revival hosted by Bert Newton. But this works.[/quote]
That's funny. When I first saw the new podiums, Bert's Feud was precisely what they reminded me of. The family names as well. They're even a similar font.
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'243964\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:33 AM\']This studio looks much roomier than the LA one, too. Now even less of an excuse IMO to not use the classic bank win blocking. Now if they just ditch the 30-second loop of the Combs theme, it'll be Feud perfection.[/quote]
For the last 11 years, I've been waiting to hear the Dawson94 remix. I don't know if I can hold my breath for another 11. ;-)
The Combs theme was out of place (and poorly edited) when they brought it back in '02. It was out of place (but slightly better edited) when they brought it back in '08. If they brought back the 1994 theme, no one outside of this group would recognize it as a 16-year-old theme used for one season. It baffles me, considering it's still used as a car cue on TPiR!
/Isn't it?
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'243964\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:33 AM\']I'm glad the eggcrates are gone. I hope they display the Bullseye totals somewhere other than on-screen (in place of the family names during the round, perhaps). That is, assuming Bullseye is sticking around.
This studio looks much roomier than the LA one, too. Now even less of an excuse IMO to not use the classic bank win blocking. Now if they just ditch the 30-second loop of the Combs theme, it'll be Feud perfection.[/quote]
The guy who took the picture says on Buzzerblog that they have ditched Bullseye and they are still using the Combs theme.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243965\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:37 AM\']It baffles me, considering it's still used as a car cue on TPiR!
/Isn't it?[/quote]
Actually no. They still use it for Grand Game though.
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'243967\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 01:05 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243965\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:37 AM\']It baffles me, considering it's still used as a car cue on TPiR!
/Isn't it?[/quote]
Actually no. They still use it for Grand Game though.
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Sorry, I meant the 1994 theme...I thought the intro was still used for cars.
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I think what they used was a variant for the ends of Showcases, but I think that hit the skids with all the other pre-2K music
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Just checked the twitter feed, and apparently (dunno if this deserves tags or not, so) Bullseye's gone; it's back to $20,000 for a FM win. The car remains for five wins. Also, the self-intros for families are gone as well.