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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: abba on January 30, 2010, 11:52:14 PM
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Anyone thing their should be more than 10 seconds to guess the puzzle in the bonus round?
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[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'235219\' date=\'Jan 30 2010, 10:52 PM\']Anyone thing their should be more than 10 seconds to guess the puzzle in the bonus round?[/quote]
Nah, 10 seconds is plenty. If ya don't know it, no amount of extra time is going to help.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'235220\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:09 AM\']Nah, 10 seconds is plenty. If ya don't know it, no amount of extra time is going to help.[/quote]
Well (says the host of Words Have Meanings), strictly speaking, that's not true. There are probably plenty of puzzles that could have been solved if the contestant had thirty seconds, or a minute, or ten minutes. It's not the same as an obscure trivia fact that you either know or don't know. The puzzles are English words, and there are only 26 letters, ten of which are already in play. Theoretically, any puzzle they use could be solved eventually given some indefinite amount of extra time.
Having said that, ten seconds is plenty.
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Ten seconds for a bonus round puzzle seems like ample time to me. Unfortunately, the puzzles have become so off-the-wall in recent years that all the time in the world (yes, I know Words Have Meanings) still wouldn't help. I can't think of a specific example, but there was one in the last week that left me and my co-workers shaking our heads because it was so ridiculous.
Side note: when did the show reduce the clock from :15 to :10?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235225\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:35 AM\']Side note: when did the show reduce the clock from :15 to :10?[/quote]I would guess it was when they began to give contestants the RSTLNE series, giving a possible ten over the previously possible six in the puzzle. Giving more letters meant taking away some time.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235225\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:35 AM\']Side note: when did the show reduce the clock from :15 to :10?[/quote]
In late 1988.
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Thanks guys. Looks like Chad was on the right track; they added the 3 consonants/1 vowel rule in October of '88 or so.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235231\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 03:28 AM\']Thanks guys. Looks like Chad was on the right track; they added the 3 consonants/1 vowel rule in October of '88 or so.[/quote]
Not only that, if a player carries a Wild Card into the bonus round, s/he's alloted an extra constanant for a total of 11 letters in play(which began in 2007 I think). I think 10 seconds is certainly enough time to figure it out using the letters not used to come up with the solution. Of course some players get it right away & others don't. It's simply a matter of picking the right letters & even that may not be enough.
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Besides, you really get 17 or 18 seconds- Once the contestant's letters are revealed, Pat still has to say his "Well, you didn't get much help/ You're a good puzzle solver/ You've got 10 seconds" spiel. If a contestant ignores Pat and focuses on the puzzle, then they really get more time.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'235227\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:37 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235225\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:35 AM\']Side note: when did the show reduce the clock from :15 to :10?[/quote]I would guess it was when they began to give contestants the RSTLNE series, giving a possible ten over the previously possible six in the puzzle. Giving more letters meant taking away some time.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure this is right...I seem to remember the rule change happening while GSN was running the '88-'89 season over and over and over.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'235243\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 02:40 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'235227\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:37 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235225\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:35 AM\']Side note: when did the show reduce the clock from :15 to :10?[/quote]I would guess it was when they began to give contestants the RSTLNE series, giving a possible ten over the previously possible six in the puzzle. Giving more letters meant taking away some time.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure this is right...I seem to remember the rule change happening while GSN was running the '88-'89 season over and over and over.
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Yes, exactly right, the changes were simultaneous, happening on the same day, and the 10 second rule was changed to as result of the players having 4 more letters to work with.
As for it being long enough... with how many other issues a number of us agree the show has right now, that the bonus (IMHO) has reached a good win/loss ratio, there's the idea of bringing up something else to tinker with which is very recognizable/well-known about the show and hasn't had issue in 21 years? Then again, with the FS debacle and all, maybe I shouldn't open up a can of worms, nevertheless... Uhm, yeah, okay, especially with how rushed the show feels some days (sure, the ads are the real cause, and this won't do anything to help either side), what do you think this would do? Emphasis on what Rollercoaster said as well...
/Of all the gripes I have with the show right now, the bonus round (when they actually have SOMETHING besides cash up for grabs) is not one of them. Leave well enough alone. Let's take a look at the gimmickry-ridden/trite-evolved main portion if you wanna suggest something needs to be improved.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'235235\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 03:49 AM\']Besides, you really get 17 or 18 seconds- Once the contestant's letters are revealed, Pat still has to say his "Well, you didn't get much help/ You're a good puzzle solver/ You've got 10 seconds" spiel. If a contestant ignores Pat and focuses on the puzzle, then they really get more time.[/quote]
Which is exactly what happened to me when I was on. I pretty much focused on the puzzle, and by the time Pat said "Good Luck" the solution was already in my head just waiting to come out.
Also, it helps when you're thinking of possible words even when RSTLNE are coming up. So actually... in theory, you have about 30 seconds to decipher it.
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'235304\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 02:47 AM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'235235\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 03:49 AM\']Besides, you really get 17 or 18 seconds- Once the contestant's letters are revealed, Pat still has to say his "Well, you didn't get much help/ You're a good puzzle solver/ You've got 10 seconds" spiel. If a contestant ignores Pat and focuses on the puzzle, then they really get more time.[/quote]
Which is exactly what happened to me when I was on. I pretty much focused on the puzzle, and by the time Pat said "Good Luck" the solution was already in my head just waiting to come out.
Also, it helps when you're thinking of possible words even when RSTLNE are coming up. So actually... in theory, you have about 30 seconds to decipher it.
[/quote]Plus with what you said Ethan, that would not even be fair to everyone at all. Some won't even get it within 30 seconds anyway. Abba is right, 10 is plenty when you have the choice of eight consonants and two vowels.
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[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'235319\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 12:02 PM\']Abba is right, 10 is plenty when you have the choice of eight consonants and two vowels.[/quote]
The part that amuses me so much here is that the guy he's saying "is right" is also the one guy in this thread who seems to be advocating the precise opposite viewpoint from the one he's being declared right about. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'235320\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 12:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'235319\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 12:02 PM\']Abba is right, 10 is plenty when you have the choice of eight consonants and two vowels.[/quote]
The part that amuses me so much here is that the guy he's saying "is right" is also the one guy in this thread who seems to be advocating the precise opposite viewpoint from the one he's being declared right about. :)
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While your assumption is probably right, to be 100% fair, abba never gave his opinion at all. He just asked if anyone things (sic) that the time should be more than 10 seconds. I could start a thread saying "Anyone think that Richard Karn was the best FF host?", but that wouldn't mean that I believed so.
Chalk my post up to DJTD, Defending Just To Defend.
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My opinion is yes there should be about 15 or 20 seconds.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'235325\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 01:49 PM\']to be 100% fair, abba never gave his opinion at all.[/quote]
Indeed, my friend. Hence, "seems".
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235225\' date=\'Jan 31 2010, 12:35 AM\']Ten seconds for a bonus round puzzle seems like ample time to me. Unfortunately, the puzzles have become so off-the-wall in recent years that all the time in the world (yes, I know Words Have Meanings) still wouldn't help.[/quote]
UTAH JAZZ
/with only the T
//The category PROPER NAME
///unfair at any speed
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'235333\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 07:01 PM\']UTAH JAZZ
/with only the T
//The category PROPER NAME
///unfair at any speed[/quote]
Calling the A, like most players do, would give you a better shot. Still a hard one though.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235225\' date=\'Jan 30 2010, 09:35 PM\']but there was one in the last week that left me and my co-workers shaking our heads because it was so ridiculous.[/quote]This actually falls into the category of Playing the Game All the Time. When the wheel is spinning, plan your letters, and what you'll pick depending on how high the money is. Allow the category to roll around in your brain. Use your knowledge of how vowels and consonants work with each other so you know whether certain letters just can't be there. And know that the Wheel of Fortune writers have a severe and long standing case of logorrhea. Gone are the days where "JON STEWART" would be a "Person: does not necessarily mean Proper Name" to be replaced by STRAPPING GOOD LOOKING YOUNG MAN RYAN SEACREST.
Or something.
[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'235319\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 12:02 PM\']Plus with what you said Ethan, that would not even be fair to everyone at all. Some won't even get it within 30 seconds anyway. Abba is right, 10 is plenty when you have the choice of eight consonants and two vowels.[/quote]Erwha? Can anyone explain this to me?
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'235333\' date=\'Feb 2 2010, 09:01 PM\']UTAH JAZZ
/with only the T
//The category PROPER NAME
///unfair at any speed[/quote]
I'd probably nail that, even if I didn't call the H (which I believe is vastly under-rated and should be part of your package virtually every time). The position of the T means the first word virtually has to start with a vowel, and with only three choices, 'UT--' would have to cross my mind eventually.
Doesn't hurt that Utah's been one of my favorite teams, ever since the NBA JAM days.
/Malone-Stockton, inside-outside
//Does it get any sweeter?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'235355\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 09:10 AM\']Doesn't hurt that Utah's been one of my favorite teams, ever since the NBA JAM days.[/quote]
I will be very interested to check out the upcoming Wii game. Although it's gonna take a lot to beat out the NBC-branded one on the Dreamcast.
/and on, erm, MAME
//Roundball Rock, baby
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'235355\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 12:10 PM\'][E]ver since the NBA JAM days.[/quote]
That reminds me of another phrase I'd hate to see:
PHRASE
B_ _M
SH_K_
L_K_
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'235358\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 11:43 AM\']//Roundball Rock, baby[/quote]
That, and the SEC on CBS...best sports TV themes, ever.
/God bless you, John Tesh
//or maybe it was the aliens....
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235363\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 11:31 AM\']PHRASE
B_ _M
SH_K_
L_K_[/quote]
I tried using that on the air once when I was calling a San Jose State game. I learned that what works for Tim Kitzrow does not work for Chris Lemon.
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Totally Off-Topic:
Anybody else remember how to get the rare NBA Jam quote: "Bad Decision."?
/was very proud when I got it for all 4 quarters...
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[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'235377\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 04:35 PM\']Anybody else remember how to get the rare NBA Jam quote: "Bad Decision."?[/quote]
Failing to release a jump-shot (or a dunk) before the end-of-quarter horn, wasn't it?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'235366\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'235363\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 11:31 AM\']PHRASE
B_ _M
SH_K_
L_K_[/quote]
I tried using that on the air once when I was calling a San Jose State game. I learned that what works for Tim Kitzrow does not work for Chris Lemon.
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At least you didn't use B__M G_ES T_E __N_M_TE. :)
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I, sir, am highly impressed. You may advance to the endgame.
And a hat tip for you giving me the name Tim Kitzrow. Always wondered who the voice belonged to.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'235380\' date=\'Feb 3 2010, 04:50 PM\']At least you didn't use B__M G_ES T_E __N_M_TE. :)[/quote]
True. Maybe I will see if I can work that in this Saturday.
/doing P.A. and hosting the Seattle Women's Hockey Club fundraiser and exhibition