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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: El Cheapo on December 08, 2009, 11:28:27 AM
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/as...0-78768282.html (http://\"http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/as-the-world-turns-ends-on-cbs-in-september-2010-78768282.html\")
Will we see Pyramid after all?
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Oh boy. Let the rumors, speculation and hope begin.
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Wow. That is the end of an era. No more P&G shows.
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Fingers crossed.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'231836\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 11:36 AM\']Wow. That is the end of an era. No more P&G shows.[/quote]
And, where do the other soaps tape? Are they any left in NYC? Well, we can safely say no more CBS soaps that tape in NYC.
Gotta be a cost cutting measure imho
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Wow. While I'm not that surprised that ATWT getting cancelled (it was at the bottom of the ratings, like Guiding Light was last season), this is still pretty big news.
The big question is: is the LMAD experiment successful enough to convince CBS to do more game shows, or will we see the 2 PM ET/1 PM PT slot go back to the affiliates?
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I also heard that The Bonnie Hunt show is canceled as well, so there's going to be some slots there for syndication...anyone know when NATPE is?
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A NATPE conference is scheduled for late January in Vegas, but in today's marketplace, deals for next year's syndication lineup are set up well in advance.
A daytime Nancy Grace show has already been picked up by 75% of the country. It will likely be around 90% come NATPE-time.
The only reason Bonnie Hunt even made it to two seasons was because the NBC-owned affiliates agreed to air it for two seasons. Now that it's gone, NBC Universal Comcast will find something from their production teams to fill the slot for its affiliates, as well as other "Bonnie" stations -- either reruns of Bravo's Real Housewives or the proposed MomLogic, which piloted in NY some time ago with Paula Deen and Kate Gosselin among the co-hosts.
JD
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I figured if there were any syndicated game shows in talks, they would have surfaced by now, but I hadn't heard about any syndication-game, talk, sitcom, etc. Other than what James posted re: Nancy Grace, does anyone have any other developments? Not even Broadcasting and Cable mentioned anything.
And even though it allows the Pyramid talks to resurface, I must admit it still sucks to see the two oldest daytime soaps (current, that is) come to an end. GL had 57 years on TV (72 altogether), and ATWT had 53 (54 by its cancellation next fall). However, both shows switched to a similar production style, which has been noted here (mainly by me) as looking like a bad college indie flick. That's no slam on any college students who have produced one; the show made mistakes that even amateurs don't make.
On another note: how is LMaD doing?
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'231847\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:14 PM\']Paula Deen and Kate Gosselin among the co-hosts[/quote]
Isn't that sort of like matter and anti-matter colliding? With extra mayonnaise?
The only way I see CBS giving the hour back is if they develop an allergy to money.
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Personally (at least in ET), I see stations getting a full hour to themselves at Noon, Young and Restless moving to 1PM ET, and Bold & Beautiful expanding to 60 minutes and moving to 2 PM.
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Believe Oprah's people are trying to put together a show for another "Team Oprah" member for fall 2010 -- Nate Berkus.
I also heard of a potential "Doctors" spinoff called "The Lawyers," but talk on that quieted down when the Nancy Grace daytime show appeared.
And as mentioned earlier, MomLogic is also in development.
As far as game shows go, reruns of "Cash Cab" go into off-net syndie in the fall, but that's it. Haven't heard anything else at the moment.
JD
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'231855\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:47 PM\'][quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'231847\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:14 PM\']Paula Deen and Kate Gosselin among the co-hosts[/quote]
Isn't that sort of like matter and anti-matter colliding? With extra mayonnaise?[/quote]
LOL.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'231844\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:01 PM\']I also heard that The Bonnie Hunt show is canceled as well, so there's going to be some slots there for syndication...anyone know when NATPE is?[/quote]
Confirmed. (http://\"http://insidetv.aol.com/2009/12/08/the-bonnie-hunt-show-canceled-tv-show-killers/\")
The possibility exists if Pyramid gets network pickup that my affiliate could got LMAD/Pyramid/TPIR from 9-noon.
/Who needs GSN
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*Crosses fingers in hopes that if Million Dollar Pyramid gets picked up, it doesn't morph into Donnymid 2.0"
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On another note: how is LMaD doing?
Having trouble finding that out. I asked today, and the latest we've heard is that it's doing slightly better in overall ratings compared to Guiding Light (and supposedly in the men demo) but we're not sure about the women demo. The most important is that LMAD costs around 1/2 of what Guiding Light does so CBS is pretty happy.
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I say bring back Match Game and Card Sharks.
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And more things are proved to be mortal.
If nothing else, ATWT got its footnote in history as the show Walter Cronkite interrupted to announce the Kennedy assassination.
But then, who needs soaps when we can turn on any news channel and get 24 hours of "Cheating Tiger, Hidden Mistress."
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If we are going to have "fierce" game show competition among channels, again, maybe Family Channel and others might get back into the game show biz again? It's going to be an interesting 2010.
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I'm also hoping for the best with "The $1,000,000 Pyramid" now that another veteran CBS soap opera's leaving us.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'231868\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:17 PM\']The possibility exists if Pyramid gets network pickup that my affiliate could got LMAD/Pyramid/TPIR from 9-noon.
/Who needs GSN[/quote]
QFT, if that comes to pass
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'231856\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 09:47 AM\']Personally (at least in ET), I see stations getting a full hour to themselves at Noon, Young and Restless moving to 1PM ET, and Bold & Beautiful expanding to 60 minutes and moving to 2 PM.[/quote]
That's what I thought would happen when GL ended. I am pretty sure there are no plans to expand B&B to an hour.
Anybody with an ear to the ground think there's a chance they'll add a 30-minute version of Regis-era Password? (That and a 30-minute Pyramid can fill the slot.)
The only problem (and I think I mentioned this beforehand) might be getting name celebrities to do a week of any of these shows.
Now watch CBS pay for the rights to the name The People's Court and air their own version of that.
And why has nobody mentioned yet that once ATWT ends, the longest-running network TV show becomes TPIR?
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231896\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:41 PM\']And why has nobody mentioned yet that once ATWT ends, the longest-running network TV show becomes TPIR?[/quote]
Because Meet the Press is still on the air?
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According to this NY Times blog (http://\"http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/as-the-world-turns-to-end-in-september/?src=twt&twt=artsbeat\"), a network spokeman said that CBS will be programming the 2 PM hour, and that it won't go back to the affiliates.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'231844\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:01 PM\']I also heard that The Bonnie Hunt show is canceled as well, so there's going to be some slots there for syndication...[/quote]
It's not leaving in January, is it? I presently get it at 4 PM on my Fox station after L&O reruns. Is Live With Regis & Kelly doing reasonably well? This station should grab it NOW.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'231876\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 02:07 PM\']But then, who needs soaps when we can turn on any news channel and get 24 hours of "Cheating Tiger, Hidden Mistress."[/quote]
LOL
I know in Hartford, CT CBS affilliate WFSB is getting Nancy Grace's show. They could replace LMaD or ATWT.
/and once again, another TV icon of my youth is leaving. Farewell ATWT!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'231897\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:44 PM\'][quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231896\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:41 PM\']And why has nobody mentioned yet that once ATWT ends, the longest-running network TV show becomes TPIR?[/quote]
Because Meet the Press is still on the air?[/quote]
Well, when you put it that way...
And now that I think about it, even if you limit it to weekday shows, Today has about 20 years' hed start on TPIR.
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231917\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 05:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'231897\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:44 PM\'][quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231896\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:41 PM\']And why has nobody mentioned yet that once ATWT ends, the longest-running network TV show becomes TPIR?[/quote]
Because Meet the Press is still on the air?[/quote]
Well, when you put it that way...
And now that I think about it, even if you limit it to weekday shows, Today has about 20 years' hed start on TPIR.
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Looking at network daytime (outside of network news), TPiR would only become CBS's longest-running daytime show. The ABC soaps and Days of Our Lives all predate it by a few years.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'231879\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 02:37 PM\']If we are going to have "fierce" game show competition among channels, again, maybe Family Channel and others might get back into the game show biz again? It's going to be an interesting 2010.[/quote]
Don't forget that supposed Hasbro/Discovery network that Boden's on board with.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'231874\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 01:52 PM\']I say bring back Match Game and Card Sharks.[/quote]Match Game has bombed the last three revivals. Besides, who out there is A)Competent enough to properly produce the show and B)Would be the one hired by the network?
I think MG is a property better off dead and buried.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'231905\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:01 PM\']According to this NY Times blog (http://\"http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/as-the-world-turns-to-end-in-september/?src=twt&twt=artsbeat\"), a network spokeman said that CBS will be programming the 2 PM hour, and that it won't go back to the affiliates.[/quote]
A) Thank you, Casey.
B) To fuel even more speculation:
[quote name=\'Bill Carter of the New York Times\']...Mr. Ender said, with the replacement likely to be either a game or talk show.[/quote]
Sure, they could have a talk show, but wouldn't that kill the possible flow that you'd have with three game shows?
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To bring my two cents in. I think they should bring Pyramid as a half hour then bring back PYL which was one of my favorites. I couldn't stand Whammy because it took too much away from the old show. For one thing, where did they think of changing the layout of the board? What was wrong with just keeping it as a square? I wasn't a fan of Todd Newton hosting it. I just didn't think that show was a fit for him. Plus there were too many gimmicks on there with the key halves and such. I would only bring back BIG BANK if I were to incorporate some things. I think maybe if they keep the set design similar to the old one, maybe update where the contestants sit and update the color scheme to look more modern, it could be a great revival. Plus it'd bring in a nice mix of cash and prizes to keep the variety in unlike PIR which seems to be all trips these days. And it'd certainly bring in a lot of excitement because of the direct competition factor between the three players.
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If it's Pyramid, it would be interesting to see if they allow affiliates to flow all three game shows back-to-back-to-back.
Stations have the 10-or-3 option with LMaD. I wonder if they'd do a 9-or-2 for whatever's next.
I know many of the big-market stations like doing local news at 9, coming out of The Early Show.
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Does ATWT air in one slot or another, the way GL did, or is it 2pm EST/1pm CST across the board? Would love to see a game show with a consistent slot, instead of one or the other...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'231991\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 05:43 PM\']Does ATWT air in one slot or another, the way GL did, or is it 2pm EST/1pm CST across the board? Would love to see a game show with a consistent slot, instead of one or the other...[/quote]
I'm pretty sure AtWT is near-universally at 2:00/1:00.
Guiding Light seems to have become a special case at some point -- the network was actually sending out three separate East Coast feeds for it by the end, at 9:00, 10:00, and 3:00.
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Amazing that just a year ago, CBS had only 1 hour of game show and 3½ of soaps. If CBS commissions a game show or two to replace As the World Turns next fall, it'll be 3 hrs. of games v. only 1½ of soaps. And if that happens, it will be the first time since the mid-'70s that one of the original 3 networks will have more games than soaps in daytime.
Since "product placement opportunities" played a part in CBS choosing LMaD over Pyramid, then perhaps PYL would be worth bringing back. And in response to the person who thought Todd Newton wasn't a good fit for the Whammy remake, I wonder if Ricki Lake would make a good PYL host, given that she hosted it on an episode of that Gameshow Marathon a few years ago, in primetime, on CBS.
For that matter, does anybody in here think Ricki ought to host whatever game show CBS would pick to replace ..World Turns?
In other words, "Go Ricki", or "Blow Ricki"?
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[quote name=\'byrd62\' post=\'231993\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 02:46 PM\']I wonder if Ricki Lake would make a good PYL host, given that she hosted it on an episode of that Gameshow Marathon a few years ago, in primetime, on CBS.[/quote]
I can assure you that NOBODY but NOBODY who actualy SAW her doing that has any doubt in her mind as to whether she would be a good host.
For that matter, does anybody in here think Ricki ought to host whatever game show CBS would pick to replace ..World Turns?
No, hells no, Christ no, fark no, OMG no, no way, huh-uh, no.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231995\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 02:51 PM\'][quote name=\'byrd62\' post=\'231993\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 02:46 PM\']I wonder if Ricki Lake would make a good PYL host, given that she hosted it on an episode of that Gameshow Marathon a few years ago, in primetime, on CBS.[/quote]
I can assure you that NOBODY but NOBODY who actualy SAW her doing that has any doubt in her mind as to whether she would be a good host.
For that matter, does anybody in here think Ricki ought to host whatever game show CBS would pick to replace ..World Turns?
No, hells no, Christ no, fark no, OMG no, no way, huh-uh, no.
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Don't mince words, Chris - tell us how you really feel.
Actually, though, I don't remember how the discussion went when Marathon aired, and I didn't think she did a remarkable job one way or the other.
Would anyone like to elaborate on why Ricki's performance was so bad?
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[quote name=\'fishbulb\' post=\'231997\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 06:48 PM\']Would anyone like to elaborate on why Ricki's performance was so bad?[/quote]
From what I saw (every episode except Match Game), she was very loud. When I say loud, I mean she was screaming things that if she had been using her "inside voice", she would have no reason to scream.
Her hosting job reminded me of a little girl pretending to be a game show host.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231995\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 05:51 PM\']
For that matter, does anybody in here think Ricki ought to host whatever game show CBS would pick to replace ..World Turns?
No, hells no, Christ no, fark no, OMG no, no way, huh-uh, no.
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I think you left out BZZZZZZZZZZZ!
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Please, no Ricki. You can watch her host a round of Press Your Luck (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zLveF27nz4#t=2m09s\") from GSM in 2006 and see why for yourself.
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In short, she made Todd Newton look respectable. If I were to give a host a shot regardless of what show it was, I'd give first look to Mark Walberg.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'232001\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 07:09 PM\']In short, she made Todd Newton look respectable. If I were to give a host a shot regardless of what show it was, I'd give first look to Mark Walberg.[/quote]
If he's still up for a hosting gig, I'd love to see Marc Summers give PYL a try.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'232004\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 09:04 PM\'][quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'232001\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 07:09 PM\']In short, she made Todd Newton look respectable. If I were to give a host a shot regardless of what show it was, I'd give first look to Mark Walberg.[/quote]
If he's still up for a hosting gig, I'd love to see Marc Summers give PYL a try.
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I think Mark Walberg would be a good fit. Marc I could picture doing the question round, I'm just trying to picture him during the big board. Ideally I'd like to make my first small screen hosting debut as host of PYL. :D
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I'd like to see Jim Peck. He already has experience with the format. (Hey, that's no more absurd than Marc Summers or Ricki Lake).
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I STILL think Al DuBois SHOULD host the next PYL remake!
Cordially,
Tammy
P.S. The soap opera as WE knew it died long, long ago.....
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' post=\'232023\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 03:48 AM\']I STILL think Al DuBois SHOULD host the next PYL remake![/quote]Why?
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' post=\'232023\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 03:48 AM\']I STILL think Al DuBois SHOULD host the next PYL remake![/quote]
And you know that's not going to happen. CBS is not going with an obscure name from an obscure game show, that, outside of the occasional GSN rerun, has not aired in almost 20 years.
It's just the nature of Game Shows 2010 (Kanye shrug). The days of relative unknowns hosting a daytime game show are more or less gone. 9 times out of 10*, it's either a comedian, someone who you know you've seen somewhere ("That's the guy who was in...that show! Yeah him!") or in GSN's case, former 70s-90s household names.
/*The 10th is Rossi Moreale
//And you see how that turned out
///He was actually a fairly decent host
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Press Your Luck is one of the flimsiest game formats ever to see the light of day. It should never have been put on in the first place. If CBS were smart they would go with a non-FMNA property.
Ricki Lake was infected with the Frank Nicotero shouting disease. Imagine the late Billy Mays emceeing a game show.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232038\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 12:52 PM\']Press Your Luck is one of the flimsiest game formats ever to see the light of day. It should never have been put on in the first place. If CBS were smart they would go with a non-FMNA property.[/quote]
I always wonder why Press gets called out the most often on this. There are several shows where the game at its core is not the strongest, IMO, such as Card Sharks and High Rollers. Basically any gambling based game is a "watch what happens" affair with minimal play along, that's why they all of them have Q&A, to have more of a play at home element. PYL is basically Second Chance with a faster format and a flashier set, but it also added entertaining contestants, a host who handled the game perfectly, and a humorous "villian" who made the risk more impactful.
Tyshaun
/I do like CS and HR, I'm just making a point.
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'232042\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 11:07 AM\']I always wonder why Press gets called out the most often on this.[/quote]
My guess is because there is a huge mob of PYL groupies who swallow the bait and rush to defend their show as soon as someone does. Which is entertaining.
and a humorous "villian" who made the risk more impactful.
...particularly when they cite this as evidence. What the hell does this even mean? Losing your money is losing your money, and it doesn't matter if it's a little cartoon demon or the disembodied head of Colin Mochrie ridiculing you when it happens.
/"Stop...on Colin Mochrie! Oh, no!"
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'232042\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 02:07 PM\']I always wonder why Press gets called out the most often on this. There are several shows where the game at its core is not the strongest, IMO, such as Card Sharks and High Rollers. Basically any gambling based game is a "watch what happens" affair with minimal play along, that's why they all of them have Q&A, to have more of a play at home element.[/quote]
The play-along is whether the player should pass or press on, just like it is on "Deal or No Deal." PYL has the element of having to outscore your competitors, which is what gives it some semblance of strategy. Compared to LMAD, it's frigging chess. Given how simple the questions are, this would be ideal for CBS, not that I wouldn't rather see a version of Regis Password instead.
"High Rollers" had one major flaw--the players always passed if there were bad rolls so there was virtually no gambling.
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I'm going to go slightly off the board w/ this, but what about a resurrection of Supermarket Sweep? Maybe a little cheesy, but it always pulled respectable ratings as a cable show and has never been on network TV(excluding the original). It also has built in product placement like crazy and would seem to appeal to the demographic in daytime TV.
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Outside of answering questions, Press Your Luck consists simply of pressing a plunger and deciding whether to press it again. The set, contestants, emcee and the animated Whammy are known in the industry as "window dressing" and are not integral to the format. Card Sharks is not far behind in terms of format flimsiness. High Rollers had a scintilla of strategy.
There is no monolithic game known as "Let's Make A Deal". It consists of a wide variety of deals which are as clever as the producers choose to make them be. In the current version I see far too many "Do you want the cash or what's behind the curtain?" deals. If Monty and Stefan had kept the show that simple when it first started out, it would likely have been cancelled after 13 weeks.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232038\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 12:52 PM\']Press Your Luck is one of the flimsiest game formats ever to see the light of day.[/quote]
Which is exactly why CBS will consider it : they learned from MDPassword that the audience doesn't care for intellectual shows...they want curtains and zonks, carnival games and big wheels. Press Your Luck would fit in nicely with that....and I too am no fan of PYL.
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[quote name=\'MizzouRah!\' post=\'232076\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 09:15 PM\']I'm going to go slightly off the board w/ this, but what about a resurrection of Supermarket Sweep?[/quote]
I like the way you think. Pair it up with some-dollar-value Pyramid and there's an hour. And it's not a budget-buster, either ($1,000 mini-sweep, $4,500 in the sweep itself, and a bump-up to $10,000 in the bonus sweep).
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232080\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 08:47 PM\']Outside of answering questions, Press Your Luck consists simply of pressing a plunger and deciding whether to press it again. The set, contestants, emcee and the animated Whammy are known in the industry as "window dressing" and are not integral to the format. Card Sharks is not far behind in terms of format flimsiness. High Rollers had a scintilla of strategy.[/quote]
Didn't Mark Goodson openly criticize PYL? Do you remember what exactly he said about it?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232055\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 04:21 PM\']...particularly when they cite this as evidence. What the hell does this even mean? Losing your money is losing your money, and it doesn't matter if it's a little cartoon demon or the disembodied head of Colin Mochrie ridiculing you when it happens.
/"Stop...on Colin Mochrie! Oh, no!"[/quote]
And I'm sure if Colin was your penalty character, he'd be just as well remembered as the Whammy is today. I should have added "to the viewer" to the impact line. I wasn't necessarily defending PYL, I completely understand why people don't like it..... I just wanted to point out that there are other games in its neighborhood, too.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'232081\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 06:54 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232038\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 12:52 PM\']Press Your Luck is one of the flimsiest game formats ever to see the light of day.[/quote]
Which is exactly why CBS will consider it : they learned from MDPassword that the audience doesn't care for intellectual shows...they want curtains and zonks, carnival games and big wheels. Press Your Luck would fit in nicely with that....and I too am no fan of PYL.[/quote]
How big a splash did "Whammy" make on GSN, despite all the fan enthusiasm for it? But yeah, you would never put Jeopardy! on in daytime.
I'm surprised nobody's suggested trotting out Tattletales.
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The sort of celebrity couple you have today wouldn't go within a mile of Tattletales.
(Although I could go to sleep tonight dreaming of Tiger Woods appearing, perhaps with his entire harem).
Just a thought - I'm an old-timer myself, but couldn't the network come up with a NEW game show idea instead of recycling?
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(Although I could go to sleep tonight dreaming of Tiger Woods appearing, perhaps with his entire harem).
Wouldn't that be more appropriate for 3's a Crowd?
(Or with a higher number as needed.)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232100\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 04:23 AM\']How big a splash did "Whammy" make on GSN, despite all the fan enthusiasm for it? But yeah, you would never put Jeopardy! on in daytime.
I'm surprised nobody's suggested trotting out Tattletales.[/quote]
"Whammy!" started out strong in the Nielsens, but interest quickly faded as.... well, it wasn't very good. Actually, I think a form of Super Password Plus would work well in daytime, paired w/ Pyramid.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'232103\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 06:57 AM\']The sort of celebrity couple you have today wouldn't go within a mile of Tattletales.[/quote]
Everybody trots this out as the reason Tattletales wouldn't work today, and I have to say it doesn't make a lot of sense. True, Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are not going to play Tattletales, but the show rarely featured huge stars. Seems to me in this celebrity-obsessed age, where there's an entire subculture of people simply obsessed with becoming a celebrity, that getting people with some claim to fame willing to play your little game would be the least of their problems.
Mind you, there are other problems with reviving Tattletales, but finding players isn't one of them.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232107\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 08:35 AM\']Mind you, there are other problems with reviving Tattletales, but finding players isn't one of them.[/quote]
Nationwide green carpet shortage?
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I think there's enough married couples who keep out of the tabloids that could still do the show. I mean, the 70s/80s version often used one celebrity and their lesser-known spouse. Either that, or just celebs who are simply dating.
I actually like the idea of Supermarket Sweep a lot for the reasons mentioned: not a budget-buster, and product-placement. It's win-win for CBS, even though it means three merchandise-based shows for them.
And yes, I say a half-hour Pyramid, but no tournament. Returning champions, 7-11/Mystery 7, Winner's Circle is worth a flat $25,000 on either try. $50,000 is still a lot of money.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'232117\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:13 AM\']I think there's enough married couples who keep out of the tabloids that could still do the show. I mean, the 70s/80s version often used one celebrity and their lesser-known spouse. Either that, or just celebs who are simply dating.
I actually like the idea of Supermarket Sweep a lot for the reasons mentioned: not a budget-buster, and product-placement. It's win-win for CBS, even though it means three merchandise-based shows for them.
And yes, I say a half-hour Pyramid, but no tournament. Returning champions, 7-11/Mystery 7, Winner's Circle is worth a flat $25,000 on either try. $50,000 is still a lot of money.[/quote]Eh; I'd still say go the $10,000/$25,000 route; if only to save money in the budget...
I don't see Supermarket Sweep being an attractive proposition at all--while its a solid game and it does have product placement opportunities, I don't see the demographics for that one being attractive at all.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'232117\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:13 AM\']And yes, I say a half-hour Pyramid, but no tournament. Returning champions, 7-11/Mystery 7, Winner's Circle is worth a flat $25,000 on either try. $50,000 is still a lot of money.[/quote]
I think a tournament is just fine, copied straight from the Clark $100K era. Only change I'd make is that you are replaced on a per game basis, not a per show basis.
Another game I would like back, but would never fly nowadays, would be What's My Line?.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'232114\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:03 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232107\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 08:35 AM\']Mind you, there are other problems with reviving Tattletales, but finding players isn't one of them.[/quote]Nationwide green carpet shortage?[/quote]
Yes. Nationwide green carpet shortage.
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How about Field Turf?
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'232126\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 12:05 PM\']How about Field Turf?[/quote]
Studies have shown repeatedly that celebrities are more likely to be injured on field turf than on shag carpeting.
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As long as we're speculating about Pyramid, how about a 1-hour show with this format:
REGULAR GAMES
1st 2 games between 2 new contestants (switching partners for the 2nd game), 3rd and final game (I'm using 3 games a show instead of 4, due to increased commercial time) between the winner of the 1st 2 games (whoever won more money in the Winners' Circle, a tiebreaker main game round if needed) and the returning champion from the last show (champions can repeat for up to 10 shows; challenger chooses his/her partner). 7-in-30 format.
Bonuses: alternating between 7-11 and Gamble For a Grand appearing in either of the 1st 2 games (a-la the Big 7), Mystery 7 in the 3rd game. $5000 for a perfect tiebreak.
Winners' Circle: subjects worth $100-$200-$300-$400-$500-$600, wins worth $25,000 in every game (if the prize budget would support it, I'd raise the 3rd Winners' Circle to $50,000).
MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT
The 3 players with the fastest times in the Winners' Circle participate, the loser in each game (not show) is replaced with the odd person out. Tournament lasts up to one week (15 games), thus the million is not necessarily guaranteed (that large a payout really shouldn't be). If the million is won before the last game of a day, any remaining Winners' Circles are worth $100,000, using tournament-level subjects. Regular play resumes on the next show.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232128\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 11:32 AM\'][quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'232126\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 12:05 PM\']How about Field Turf?[/quote]
Studies have shown repeatedly that celebrities are more likely to be injured on field turf than on shag carpeting.
[/quote]
Agrees (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Davis\")
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232124\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 11:48 AM\']Yes. Nationwide green carpet shortage.[/quote]
Well, have they tried Allstate? Or maybe Geico?
/geckoskin is green, isn't it? Who needs carpet anyway?
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[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'232129\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:54 AM\']As long as we're speculating about Pyramid, how about a 1-hour show with this format:[/quote]
[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'232129\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:54 AM\']MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT[/quote]
No.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232138\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'232129\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:54 AM\']As long as we're speculating about Pyramid, how about a 1-hour show with this format:[/quote]
[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'232129\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:54 AM\']MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT[/quote]
No.
[/quote]
Double no.
And no Million Dollar Mindreaders, either.
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In this day and age, where most shows like to wrap everything up within a week, the tournament is recipe for disaster. I'm not sure if viewers (or station managers) have the patience for a tournament that could run for more than weeks, and a self-contained tournament immediately falls into the category of THINGS THAT FAIL. Donnymid proved that the idea sucked in 2002; daytime Millionaire proved it last month. The idea of a host saying "No one climbed the pyramid in time, so eenie-meenie-miney-moe, Janice, you win one million dollars! Next week's guests are Jenna Fischer and Neil Patrick Harris...kthxbai!!1!" makes me wanna commit hara-kiri.
Pass.
I have absolutely no problems with a $10,000/25,000 payout with returning champions, but just keep it simple like the prior daytime versions.
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A show like "Truth or Consequences" might be a good candidate for revival. People still know the name even though the show's been off for more than twenty years. It has an audience participation angle that seems to be in vogue right now. I'd choose Greg Proops as host. .
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My suggestion: The $250,000 Pyramid. $25,000 for each successful Winner's Circle visit and a maximum of five days on the program. Make the bottom three boxes $250, middle row $500 and top trilon $1,000 and the maximum consolation becomes $2,500.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'232150\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 06:46 PM\']My suggestion: The $250,000 Pyramid. $25,000 for each successful Winner's Circle visit and a maximum of five days on the program. Make the bottom three boxes $250, middle row $500 and top trilon $1,000 and the maximum consolation becomes $2,500.[/quote]
Calling this The $250,000 Pyramid is as genuine as when Anne Robinson tossed around a seven-figure top prize on Weakest Link.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232151\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:53 PM\']Calling this The $250,000 Pyramid is as genuine as when Anne Robinson tossed around a seven-figure top prize on Weakest Link.[/quote]Then don't worry about the title, that's not the focus of my idea. Call it whatever you want.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'232152\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 07:19 PM\']Then don't worry about the title, that's not the focus of my idea. Call it whatever you want.[/quote]
If you're willing to bend on the title (which goes right back to what I said about "if you name the show something, you'd better farking give that something away, and regularly"), the rest of it is nice and simple and reasonable.
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[quote name=\'MizzouRah!\' post=\'232076\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 09:15 PM\']I'm going to go slightly off the board w/ this, but what about a resurrection of Supermarket Sweep? Maybe a little cheesy, but it always pulled respectable ratings as a cable show and has never been on network TV(excluding the original). It also has built in product placement like crazy and would seem to appeal to the demographic in daytime TV.[/quote]
I do not condone this pairing, nor do I expect it to ever be seriously considered by anyone, but if you want Supermarket Sweep you gotta take Shop Till You Drop too. Product placement AND silly stunts. (The fact that even PAX/ION quit airing reruns tells you how small a chance there is of this happening.)
Still, Supermarket Sweep COULD work if it emulated the original run from some 40 years ago, when it was produced and broadcast on the road from real supermarkets in the NY/NJ area. The equipment is obviously much smaller and better than it was back then, and the show could travel anywhere in the US now for location shooting.
It can work in an hour format if needed. Two sets of contestants, one for each half of the show, and a slightly shortened game in each half. Then the two winning teams run a 60- or 90-second sweep to see who gets to go for the bonus prize.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'232149\' date=\'Dec 11 2009, 09:26 PM\']A show like "Truth or Consequences" might be a good candidate for revival. People still know the name even though the show's been off for more than twenty years. It has an audience participation angle that seems to be in vogue right now. I'd choose Greg Proops as host. .[/quote]
Actually, the last GOOD version went off the air almost 35 years ago when they stopped production of the Bob Barker hosted version.
I refuse to consider the bombed Bob Hilton and Larry Anderson versions at all.
If we do have a ToC revival, it has to be the way Barker did it! Greg Proops as host? Aside from steady employment for another of Drew's WLIIA buddies, I don't think he'd be the right fit.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'232161\' date=\'Dec 12 2009, 01:17 AM\']I do not condone this pairing, nor do I expect it to ever be seriously considered by anyone, but if you want Supermarket Sweep you gotta take Shop Till You Drop too.[/quote]I don't know how many people did what I did: watch Sweep then do something else when STYD came on. I don't see why they have to be paired at all.
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Donnymid and "Million Dollar Password" established that the celebrity-partner games don't work anymore. Too few actual "celebrities" have the ability or availability to play. I say pairs of strangers on Pyramid, a la "You Bet Your Life."
Introduce one pair, chit-chat a little, then let them play two :60 rounds of front game, each giving once and receiving once. Then you introduce the second pair. Higher scorers are off to the Winners' Circle.
If the show is half an hour, they could switch partners for a second game. The two players with the highest individual scores return as champs.
In an hour, they could start with three pairs of contestants, let the losers switch partners and play the second game, then the winning pairs have a play-off round for the final Winners' Circle with a higher prize.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232224\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 11:50 AM\']Donnymid and "Million Dollar Password" established that the celebrity-partner games don't work anymore. Too few actual "celebrities" have the ability or availability to play. I say pairs of strangers on Pyramid, a la "You Bet Your Life."[/quote]They don't work because the people in charge are lazy gits. It may take work to find a Neil Patrick Harris, or whoever you need. Or to have them practice a bit. But the people are there. If you treat a show like the bastard stepson, don't be surprised if the show is thirteen and out.
It is not interesting to me to watch two people who I don't know, nor do they know each other, play Pyramid or Password.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232224\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:50 PM\']Donnymid and "Million Dollar Password" established that the celebrity-partner games don't work anymore.[/quote]
MDP got decent ratings...unfortunately, CBS wanted better ratings in the young demo, so the show went bye-bye...
Donnymid had decent enough celebrities, but was just horribly executed. All the drama and fun was sucked out, then replaced with artificial/manufactured drama (the steel girders and dark lighting), much like most other game shows of the last five years.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'232226\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 03:00 PM\']They don't work because the people in charge are lazy gits. It may take work to find a Neil Patrick Harris, or whoever you need. Or to have them practice a bit. But the people are there.[/quote]
I agree with Travis. I betcha that when the $10,000 Pyramid started up, nobody knew which celebrities would be good at it. Likewise with the others when new celebrities started sprouting up. Do we want another Shatner? No, but how will we know if that person is a Shat player if they don't try them in the game. Who knew that NPH would be as good as a player as he is?
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How about a happy medium with married couples or family pairs?
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[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'232238\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:15 PM\']How about a happy medium with married couples or family pairs?[/quote]"This is the country where we went on our honeymoon."
"This is the name of your obnoxious uncle."
"This is the stuff you don't like to put on hot dogs."
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How about a happy medium with married couples or family pairs?
I think this has come up before, but the problem in this case becomes that they can use "inside clues" that no one outside the family would understand. For example, if the phrase was "Civil War," and anyone in my family was my partner, I'd probably use the clue: "The topic in history Dad is obsessed with." Think back to Amnesia, where the basic premise of the game is answering questions about your personal past...the main reason games like that don't make for good TV is that no one outside the contestant's family/friends can play along.
I don't see a problem with, if there's a real aversion to celebrities, having two strangers play the game, as this would take care of the above problem. The main reason I watch Pyramid is that it's a fun, challenging, and engaging game. I wouldn't care one bit if they chucked the celebs.
Anthony
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'232239\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 05:28 PM\'][quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'232238\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:15 PM\']How about a happy medium with married couples or family pairs?[/quote]"This is the country where we went on our honeymoon."
"This is the name of your obnoxious uncle."
"This is the stuff you don't like to put on hot dogs."
[/quote]
LOL! Thanks Travis, I needed that!
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'232226\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:00 PM\']They don't work because the people in charge are lazy gits. It may take work to find a Neil Patrick Harris, or whoever you need. Or to have them practice a bit. But the people are there. If you treat a show like the bastard stepson, don't be surprised if the show is thirteen and out.[/quote]
Agreed. We tend to focus on the dimbulbs brought out for the game. But there were some very sharp celebrity players during the short run. NPH, Aisha Tyler, Craig Ferguson, Julie Chen, and Norm MacDonald come to mind immediately. (And of course Betty White, but that should go without saying in this crowd.) There certainly is that type of sharp, quick-witted, game-enthused celeb still out there. But the fact that I don't think we ever got to see a game with two competent celebrities on MDP, while we definitely had episodes with two incompetent ones, tends to obscure that.
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' post=\'232240\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 04:32 PM\']I don't see a problem with, if there's a real aversion to celebrities, having two strangers play the game, as this would take care of the above problem. The main reason I watch Pyramid is that it's a fun, challenging, and engaging game. I wouldn't care one bit if they chucked the celebs.[/quote]
My problems:
1. the idiot partner problem, but that's fixable by saying that you don't leave till you've lost twice
2a. hearing a dollar figure that no individual can win all at once
2b. That goes double if it's played like the New York era, where you leave after a WC win.
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If CBS wanted to have four civilians play, they'd need to play three games to be fair to everyone and have everyone partnered with everyone else. That's fine if they have an hour time slot. Each trip to the Winner's Circle would pay up to $20,000 ($10,000 for each teammate), and the player who wins the most money over those three games would win the show and gets to play again the next episode.
If they only have 30 minutes, their best bet would be to stick with the proven formula. Just book good game-playing celebs!
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[quote name=\'Marc412\' post=\'232253\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 11:42 PM\']If they only have 30 minutes, their best bet would be to stick with the proven formula. Just book good game-playing celebs![/quote]
Pretty much.
Chris C., how was celebrity booking handled on Password +? I know some celebs, like Carol Burnett, were huge fans of the original, and had no problem going on the show. But what about those who didn't appear on prior version(s)? Were they invited to do a runthrough first in the G-T offices?
Sony gets some pretty good names for the celebrity weeks on Wheel and J!, and the latter has shown some pretty sharp talent. Granted you might have to go down a level for for star talent, I don't think finding competent celebrities is a problem. Unlike MDP, you just have to find people who know their way around a dictionary, and not just every popular name that comes to mind.
When you half-ass produce a game show, the public does notice.
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The bigger factor with MDP to me than the fact that not all the celebrities could play the game well was that they didn't seem to make an effort to pair up celebrities who played well with other celebs who played well. If they're showing 10 or 15 games a week with the same celebs, the mismatches are going to be a lot more obvious.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'232239\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:28 PM\'][quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'232238\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:15 PM\']How about a happy medium with married couples or family pairs?[/quote]"This is the country where we went on our honeymoon."
"This is the name of your obnoxious uncle."
"This is the stuff you don't like to put on hot dogs."
[/quote]
I don't see a thing wrong with this. It communicates the subject and is transparent to the audience. If a player says "This is the stuff you don't like to put on hot dogs" and the partner says "relish", the audience can figure it out easily enough. In addition, you're not going to have entire categories where this is the strategy to use.
Chris C., how was celebrity booking handled on Password +?
Unless they were a known quantity at playing Password (Betty White, Liz Montgomery, Carol Burnett, etc.), every celebrity tried out for the show and was offered a booking only if the celebrity coordinator felt they could play the game competently -- even Lucy had to play the game with Imie in advance. I remember Gordon MacRae coming to the office to try out; he was never offered a booking.
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Supermarket Sweep COULD work if it emulated the original run from some 40 years ago, when it was produced and broadcast on the road from real supermarkets in the NY/NJ area. The equipment is obviously much smaller and better than it was back then, and the show could travel anywhere in the US now for location shooting.
Supermarket Sweep has no play-along factor. That's a big reason it was off the air for so many decades.
Now, you've seen thread after thread about how expensive it is to take TPIR on the road. Supermarket Sweep is no different. All that travel and remote taping is far more expensive than taping in a studio. It's why the most recent incarnation was taped in a studio at NBC Burbank which was made to look like the inside of a supermarket.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'232250\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 11:21 PM\']My problems:
1. the idiot partner problem, but that's fixable by saying that you don't leave till you've lost twice
2a. hearing a dollar figure that no individual can win all at once
2b. That goes double if it's played like the New York era, where you leave after a WC win.[/quote]
2a. I had that problem with "The $100,000 Pyramid"--in a couple months, they'll play for this, but right now it's a tenth of that. But two people splitting the pot doesn't seem so terrible--they do it on "Family Feud."
2b. We'd never do that!
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'232246\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 09:08 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'232226\' date=\'Dec 13 2009, 02:00 PM\']They don't work because the people in charge are lazy gits. It may take work to find a Neil Patrick Harris, or whoever you need. Or to have them practice a bit. But the people are there. If you treat a show like the bastard stepson, don't be surprised if the show is thirteen and out.[/quote]
Agreed. We tend to focus on the dimbulbs brought out for the game. But there were some very sharp celebrity players during the short run. NPH, Aisha Tyler, Craig Ferguson, Julie Chen, and Norm MacDonald come to mind immediately. (And of course Betty White, but that should go without saying in this crowd.)
[/quote]
But they couldn't find enough sharp ones for eight episodes with PRIME-TIME exposure. How can they find enough for five-day-a-week, 26-weeks-a-year daytime? You think any of the names you mention would show up for a whole week? Maybe Aisha Tyler, but who the hell is she?
The Donnymid people sensed the other problem--it's boring to see the same two celebrities for a whole week. But their fix was disagreeable, too--no returning champs.
I'm with Chris C.--I think friend or family pairs would be fine. The occasional inside reference might be charming, and at worst is still preferable to "celebrities" who can only be identified with supers with references. Pyramid is exciting and interesting enough to work without stars. Or Henry Polic III.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232272\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 11:50 AM\']But they couldn't find enough sharp ones for eight episodes with PRIME-TIME exposure.[/quote]
Was it that they "couldn't find," or that they DIDN'T LOOK? I strongly suggest the latter.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232272\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 01:50 PM\']Pyramid is exciting and interesting enough to work without stars. Or Henry Polic III.[/quote]
(smirk) You mean II. And the smirk is because I get a distinct vibe that III was never a realistic option.
\not that there's anything wrong with that
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'232275\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 12:14 PM\'](smirk) You mean II. And the smirk is because I get a distinct vibe that III was never a realistic option.
\not that there's anything wrong with that[/quote]
Well played. Well played indeed. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232274\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 02:12 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232272\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 11:50 AM\']But they couldn't find enough sharp ones for eight episodes with PRIME-TIME exposure.[/quote]
Was it that they "couldn't find," or that they DIDN'T LOOK? I strongly suggest the latter.
[/quote]
No one seemed to mind having Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly five days a week, 52 weeks a year. Just get Betty White and Neil Patrick Harris to do it full-time.
\joking
\\but then, I've joked about other things that came to pass
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'232275\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:14 PM\']You mean II. And the smirk is because I get a distinct vibe that III was never a realistic option.
\not that there's anything wrong with that[/quote]
I lol'd.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'232275\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:14 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232272\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 01:50 PM\']Pyramid is exciting and interesting enough to work without stars. Or Henry Polic III.[/quote]
(smirk) You mean II. And the smirk is because I get a distinct vibe that III was never a realistic option.
[/quote]
I did mean II, but I'm glad I mistyped!
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'232277\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:20 PM\']No one seemed to mind having Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly five days a week, 52 weeks a year. Just get Betty White and Neil Patrick Harris to do it full-time.[/quote]
Yes, but you have to admit the dynamics of a panel of six are different than just having two. And there's the fact that Brett and Charles are funny.
While Dick Clark's Pyramid was able to find competent players, they rarely drew actual celebrities, with or without II's after their names. And therein lies the rub.
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On the other hand, Meredith Baxter Birney (Bush Blodgett) had three husbands and five kids before coming out of the closet (http://\"http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000880/news#ni1282559\").
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Don't shoot me all at once if this doesn't sound good, but how about contestants from the next (or previous) taping play the celebrities. Assuming they don't do returning champions. You have the two current contestants for that day and their partners who will be competing tomorrow, helping them get to the WC. Then at the end the host can say, "Now tune in tomorrow to see if these people can do as well when it's their turn in the chair." Then the next day's contestants help them and so on and so forth. Then on Friday, the two best players from the week help out the Friday's contestants or whoever they want from that week. If they do have returning champions, do the same thing, but just pull fewer people from the pool to play as a partner. It would motivate the partner to play hard since it would be good practice. Then for the actual tournament, have celebrities be the partners.
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[quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232282\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 01:17 PM\']Don't shoot me all at once if this doesn't sound good, but how about contestants from the next (or previous) taping play the celebrities. Assuming they don't do returning champions. You have the two current contestants for that day and their partners who will be competing tomorrow, helping them get to the WC. Then at the end the host can say, "Now tune in tomorrow to see if these people can do as well when it's their turn in the chair." Then the next day's contestants help them and so on and so forth. Then on Friday, the two best players from the week help out the Friday's contestants or whoever they want from that week. If they do have returning champions, do the same thing, but just pull fewer people from the pool to play as a partner. It would motivate the partner to play hard since it would be good practice. Then for the actual tournament, have celebrities be the partners.[/quote]
I am absolutely freakin' boggled by this.
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[quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232282\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 04:17 PM\']Don't shoot me all at once if this doesn't sound good, but how about contestants from the next (or previous) taping play the celebrities. Assuming they don't do returning champions. You have the two current contestants for that day and their partners who will be competing tomorrow, helping them get to the WC. Then at the end the host can say, "Now tune in tomorrow to see if these people can do as well when it's their turn in the chair." Then the next day's contestants help them and so on and so forth. Then on Friday, the two best players from the week help out the Friday's contestants or whoever they want from that week. If they do have returning champions, do the same thing, but just pull fewer people from the pool to play as a partner. It would motivate the partner to play hard since it would be good practice. Then for the actual tournament, have celebrities be the partners.[/quote]
Too much going on. It'll make the viewers' heads asplode. Just keep it to a simple contestant-celebrity combo. I still refuse to believe that there's not a competent stable of celebrities who can give seven words in a given category. The producers will just have to do their jobs and look, instead of half-assing just to get a paycheck.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'232284\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:43 PM\'][quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232282\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 04:17 PM\']Don't shoot me all at once if this doesn't sound good, but how about contestants from the next (or previous) taping play the celebrities. Assuming they don't do returning champions. You have the two current contestants for that day and their partners who will be competing tomorrow, helping them get to the WC. Then at the end the host can say, "Now tune in tomorrow to see if these people can do as well when it's their turn in the chair." Then the next day's contestants help them and so on and so forth. Then on Friday, the two best players from the week help out the Friday's contestants or whoever they want from that week. If they do have returning champions, do the same thing, but just pull fewer people from the pool to play as a partner. It would motivate the partner to play hard since it would be good practice. Then for the actual tournament, have celebrities be the partners.[/quote]
Too much going on. It'll make the viewers' heads asplode. Just keep it to a simple contestant-celebrity combo. I still refuse to believe that there's not a competent stable of celebrities who can give seven words in a given category. The producers will just have to do their jobs and look, instead of half-assing just to get a paycheck.
[/quote]
Ok how about make it really simple and do an a la shatner when he was in the winner's circle, except the contestants do it in both rounds. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk\")
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Another thing they could try is to get previous champs from the 80's to pair with new contestants.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'232295\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 06:45 PM\']Another thing they could try is to get previous champs from the 80's to pair with new contestants.[/quote]Because using former contestants from 20 years ago is so much better.
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[quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232292\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:18 PM\']Ok how about make it really simple and do an a la shatner when he was in the winner's circle, except the contestants do it in both rounds. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk\")[/quote]
You kinda need to speak less.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232298\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:59 PM\']You kinda need to speak less.[/quote]
Says the guy with over 18,000 posts.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'232299\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 04:11 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232298\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:59 PM\']You kinda need to speak less.[/quote]
Says the guy with over 18,000 posts.[/quote]
Most of which make some semblance of sense.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232300\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 06:18 PM\']Most of which make some semblance of sense.[/quote]
In your opinion, absolutely.
/I guess 18,000+ isn't all that impressive when they're all "Wow" "Huh" and one sentence snipes.
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Matt Ottinger: 7,774 posts
chris319: 6,769 posts
Total: 14,543 posts
clemon79: 18,524 posts
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I was told there would be no math...
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232308\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:13 PM\']I was told there would be no math...[/quote]Don't worry, Matt. You'll take 'em all in the Words & Letters round.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232305\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 08:00 PM\']clemon79: 18,524 posts[/quote]
That's an average of about 7 posts per day EVERY SINGLE DAY for 6.5 years. I think that deserves a "wow" AND a "huh."
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232308\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 08:13 PM\']I was told there would be no math...[/quote]
Now see, I'm better at the numbers round than the letters round.
/Hey, put Countdown in ATWT's slot!
//Um...maybe not.
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It never ceased to amaze me how many people screwed up Hit Me on TPIR....
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232298\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:59 PM\'][quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232292\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:18 PM\']Ok how about make it really simple and do an a la shatner when he was in the winner's circle, except the contestants do it in both rounds. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk\")[/quote]
You kinda need to speak less.
[/quote]
Ok, no jokes or sarcasm at this party!
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'232314\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 09:24 PM\']It never ceased to amaze me how many people screwed up Hit Me on TPIR....[/quote]
Y'know, I wanted to bring that one up in the TPiR strategeries strategies thread, until I remembered that was the very reason the game was retired!
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[quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232318\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 10:53 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232298\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:59 PM\'][quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'232292\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 03:18 PM\']Ok how about make it really simple and do an a la shatner when he was in the winner's circle, except the contestants do it in both rounds. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LTgZHk\")[/quote]You kinda need to speak less.
[/quote]Ok, no jokes or sarcasm at this party![/quote]
Uh, I'm pretty sure he wasn't being sarcastic...
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'232320\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 11:19 PM\']Uh, I'm pretty sure he wasn't being sarcastic...[/quote]And I'm pretty sure that ten96lt was referring to his own try at a joke/sarcasm, not Lemon's douchebaggery.
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You are correct..............chad
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232305\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:00 PM\']Matt Ottinger: 7,774 posts
chris319: 6,769 posts
Total: 14,543 posts[/quote]
Don't worry. There's not a doubt in my mind you'll find a way to catch up.
/it's not a race, folks
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'232301\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 07:27 PM\']/I guess 18,000+ isn't all that impressive when they're all "Wow" "Huh" and one sentence snipes.[/quote]
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232329\' date=\'Dec 15 2009, 03:04 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232305\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 05:00 PM\']Matt Ottinger: 7,774 posts
chris319: 6,769 posts
Total: 14,543 posts[/quote]
Don't worry. There's not a doubt in my mind you'll find a way to catch up.
[/quote]
Especially since, after the break, we're gonna DOUBLE THE POSTS!
/what?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232261\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 06:22 AM\']
Chris C., how was celebrity booking handled on Password +?
Unless they were a known quantity at playing Password (Betty White, Liz Montgomery, Carol Burnett, etc.), every celebrity tried out for the show and was offered a booking only if the celebrity coordinator felt they could play the game competently -- even Lucy had to play the game with Imie in advance. I remember Gordon MacRae coming to the office to try out; he was never offered a booking.
[/quote]
Was Imie Camelli still in charge of the celebs?
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'232311\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 08:50 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232305\' date=\'Dec 14 2009, 08:00 PM\']clemon79: 18,524 posts[/quote]
That's an average of about 7 posts per day EVERY SINGLE DAY for 6.5 years. I think that deserves a "wow" AND a "huh."
[/quote]
That's Numberwang!
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232038\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 09:52 AM\']Press Your Luck is one of the flimsiest game formats ever to see the light of day. It should never have been put on in the first place. If CBS were smart they would go with a non-FMNA property.[/quote]What makes it flimsy? The game makes sense, you can pick up in the middle of an episode, it has a built in climax and excitement during the money rounds...sure, it doesn't make you put your brain in fifth gear, but there are only a handful of game shows left that do that anyhow.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232055\' date=\'Dec 10 2009, 01:21 PM\']...particularly when they cite this as evidence. What the hell does this even mean? Losing your money is losing your money, and it doesn't matter if it's a little cartoon demon or the disembodied head of Colin Mochrie ridiculing you when it happens.[/quote]Except when it does. People who are outside of the game show realm here remember PYL as the game with the whammies. If you replace that with a generic FAIL graphic, take away the animations and all of that recognizability, Press Your Luck becomes Second Chance v2.0.
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There's not a doubt in my mind you'll find a way to catch up.
Why would we want to?
Was Imie Camelli still in charge of the celebs?
Imie took over from Kay Henley when Mindreaders was cancelled.
What makes it flimsy?
Answer some questions and press a plunger. Do you want to press the plunger again? That's about all there was to it. Outside of the questions there was practically no mental activity required.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232616\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 04:00 AM\']Outside of the questions there was practically no mental activity required.[/quote]And outside of... well... nothing, there's no mental activity involved with Deal Or No Deal, yet it's proved to be a sustainable and enjoyable program in at least seventy countries. So I hope you're not trying to say that a (in your opinion) "flimsy" format doesn't make it entertaining and suspenseful for viewers, because programs less "cerebral" than PYL have proven that you don't need a Ph.D to have a good game show.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232616\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 04:00 AM\']Answer some questions and press a plunger.[/quote]
Making it slightly more involved than, say, Jeopardy!.
An awful lot of formats are pretty flimsy when pared down to their essentials. And a lot of otherwise bad games end up making adequate or even successful TV shows because of what was dismissively referred to earlier as "window dressing". I'm no PYL groupie, but it's not hard to see what elements of the TV show (as opposed to the format) made the program successful.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232627\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 09:13 AM\']An awful lot of formats are pretty flimsy when pared down to their essentials. And a lot of otherwise bad games end up making adequate or even successful TV shows because of what was dismissively referred to earlier as "window dressing". I'm no PYL groupie, but it's not hard to see what elements of the TV show (as opposed to the format) made the program successful.[/quote]I would add that any game show that runs 3 years and still has (electronic) home versions and other related merchandise being produced over 23 years after it was canceled--more merchandise, in fact, than was produced at the time it was first run--must have something the public likes. Is it Pyramid? No, but not every game show has to be. There's room for all different kinds. Given the obvious affection the American public has for PYL, it certainly wouldn't be unreasonable for CBS to consider a revival.
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Not to mention, the fact that a movie was to be made about the show's most famous contestant.
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a lot of otherwise bad games end up making adequate or even successful TV shows because of what was dismissively referred to earlier as "window dressing".
Name some.
it's not hard to see what elements of the TV show (as opposed to the format) made the program successful
Excitable contestants and prizes.
DOND had a touch more strategy than PYL.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232644\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 12:24 PM\']Name some.[/quote]
Well, for one, Press Your Luck. You mentioned Card Sharks earlier. The 70s Match Game format was considered weak by many, including Gene Rayburn. Certainly Deal or No Deal has been criticized for being pretty lightweight. I'm sure there are plenty of others.
A good, tight format is certainly a major, major part of a game show's potential success, but it is not nearly the only thing.
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Actually, I finid it to be the exact opposite.
PYL is the one that has a touch more strategy. There are Q&A rounds, and also, winning plenty of money can really pay off depending on how precise your timing is in stopping the board. The best time to stop is when there are no Whammies left on the board.
DOND is 100% luck and 0% skill. There is no strategy in DOND whatsoever.
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[quote name=\'gameshowlover87\' post=\'232649\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 01:15 PM\']DOND is 100% luck and 0% skill. There is no strategy in DOND whatsoever.[/quote]
Eh, not particularly. The strategy in DOND comes in the form of knowing when to say when.
I'm a huge PYL fan, and even I know that PYL's only true strategic value comes from the pass-or-play mechanic. The rest of the game is luck and knowledge.
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Well, for one, Press Your Luck.
Well yeah, the very game we're discussing.
Card Sharks, yes.
The 70s Match Game format was considered weak by many, including Gene Rayburn.
Compared to PYL? Fill in the blank and match the panelists vs. do you want to spin again ad nauseam? Who besides Gene Rayburn felt it was a weak format? No one in the company that I know of including old man Goodson felt so. Mr. Rayburn's opinion notwithstanding, do you think '70s Match Game was a weak format? It would have been staid and stodgy without the celebrity hijinks but the underlying format was adequate.
I'll help you out by naming another weak format: The Better Sex.
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DOND is 100% luck and 0% skill.
The contestant determines the outcome by deciding when and if he accepts the banker's offer, invalidating your assertion that it's 100% luck.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232654\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 02:07 PM\']the underlying format was adequate.[/quote]
OK, I'm good with 'adequate'. So that one example, not so much. But between the two of us, we've named several shows with weak formats that still managed to be decent TV shows. So it can be done, it's just not as easy if the format isn't strong.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'232653\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 12:59 PM\'][quote name=\'gameshowlover87\' post=\'232649\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 01:15 PM\']DOND is 100% luck and 0% skill. There is no strategy in DOND whatsoever.[/quote]
Eh, not particularly. The strategy in DOND comes in the form of knowing when to say when.
I'm a huge PYL fan, and even I know that PYL's only true strategic value comes from the pass-or-play mechanic. The rest of the game is luck and knowledge.
[/quote]
Isn't 'pass-or-play' exactly the same as 'knowing when to say when'?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'232661\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 11:29 AM\'][quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'232653\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 12:59 PM\'][quote name=\'gameshowlover87\' post=\'232649\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 01:15 PM\']DOND is 100% luck and 0% skill. There is no strategy in DOND whatsoever.[/quote]
Eh, not particularly. The strategy in DOND comes in the form of knowing when to say when.
I'm a huge PYL fan, and even I know that PYL's only true strategic value comes from the pass-or-play mechanic. The rest of the game is luck and knowledge.
[/quote]
Isn't 'pass-or-play' exactly the same as 'knowing when to say when'?[/quote]
If you're comparing DOND to PYL, no. DOND contestants make their decisions in response to the banker's offer. PYL contestants base their decisions on hunch.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232670\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 03:24 PM\']DOND contestants make their decisions in response to the banker's offer. PYL contestants base their decisions on hunch.[/quote]And Deal contestants do not? "I'm going on because I could hit $5,000 and a spin!" = "I'm going on because I could have $500,000 in here!"
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'232676\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 01:26 PM\']"I'm going on because I could have $500,000 in here!"[/quote]
jybt's head just asploded.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232677\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 04:35 PM\']jybt's head just asploded.[/quote]That's why I made it "could have" instead of "Hootie hoo! I'm positive I got me some half million in this shiny box." :)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'232676\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 01:26 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232670\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 03:24 PM\']DOND contestants make their decisions in response to the banker's offer. PYL contestants base their decisions on hunch.[/quote]And Deal contestants do not? "I'm going on because I could hit $5,000 and a spin!" = "I'm going on because I could have $500,000 in here!"[/quote]
Yes, but in so doing the DOND contestant is turning down a $27,000 or whatever offer from the banker. No luck/chance there.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'232676\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 04:26 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232670\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 03:24 PM\']DOND contestants make their decisions in response to the banker's offer. PYL contestants base their decisions on hunch.[/quote]And Deal contestants do not? "I'm going on because I could hit $5,000 and a spin!" = "I'm going on because I could have $500,000 in here!"[/quote]
The difference as I see it -- and it's definitely a nuanced thing here -- is that with DoND, you are looking at a static board and the probabilities are right up there staring you in the face. If there's a million in one case, and four smaller amounts, then you know you have a one in five chance of hitting the "whammy" on your next pick. Whether you use that information rationally is a different issue. On Press Your Luck, you didn't really have explicit odds as to when the "whammy" might appear. Hence, "hunch".
(I seem to remember reading that a whammy came up about one time in six, but I can't remember if that was something they shared with contestants, or whether that's something that fans have calculated over time.)
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232681\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 05:37 PM\']Yes, but in so doing the DOND contestant is turning down a $27,000 or whatever offer from the banker. No luck/chance there.[/quote]
And on Press Your Luck, the player is gambling the money that he's accrued to that point. I don't see a huge difference there.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232683\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 05:40 PM\'](I seem to remember reading that a whammy came up about one time in six, but I can't remember if that was something they shared with contestants, or whether that's something that fans have calculated over time.)[/quote]I think its just something fans noticed later on. According to this diorama (http://\"http://users.btes.tv/syoder/pylboard/season2.html\"), there are 9 whammies on each board. With 54 spaces; you get your 1 in 6 chance.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'232684\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 05:54 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232683\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 05:40 PM\'](I seem to remember reading that a whammy came up about one time in six, but I can't remember if that was something they shared with contestants, or whether that's something that fans have calculated over time.)[/quote]I think its just something fans noticed later on. According to this diorama (http://\"http://users.btes.tv/syoder/pylboard/season2.html\"), there are 9 whammies on each board. With 54 spaces; you get your 1 in 6 chance.
[/quote]
A stat also confirmed by the GSN Michael Larsen special.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232670\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 03:24 PM\']If you're comparing DOND to PYL, no. DOND contestants make their decisions in response to the banker's offer. PYL contestants base their decisions on hunch.[/quote]
Hunch, granted, but they also have the other players to contend with. They can't just say, "hey, I want to pocket my $2,700 and rug and go home." On DOND, they've won money the minute they're picked to play.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'232657\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 01:20 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232654\' date=\'Dec 21 2009, 02:07 PM\']the underlying format was adequate.[/quote]
OK, I'm good with 'adequate'. So that one example, not so much. But between the two of us, we've named several shows with weak formats that still managed to be decent TV shows. So it can be done, it's just not as easy if the format isn't strong.
[/quote]
Well look at slot machines. Down to the bare format they're just a random number generator that you push a button and hope you hit it at the right time. Not the most creative format but there's thousands in vegas with plenty of people playing.
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there's thousands in vegas with plenty of people playing.
When was the last time you stood for an hour and watched someone else play a slot machine?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232818\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 08:32 AM\']
there's thousands in vegas with plenty of people playing.
When was the last time you stood for an hour and watched someone else play a slot machine?
[/quote]
"Gonna land on cherries, definitely cherries... uh oh, time for Wapner."
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I'm with Chris C.--I think friend or family pairs would be fine. The occasional inside reference might be charming
Would you also have no problem with the family or friend pairs coming up with their own code beforehand? If not, how would you draw the line between the two?
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They did 'family pair Pyramid' on Supermarket Sweep a few times. The results were not so watchable.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'232845\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 11:14 AM\']They did 'family pair Pyramid' on Supermarket Sweep a few times. The results were not so watchable.[/quote]
And yet, there are going to be people around here swearing up and down that it's a viable option until the day we die.
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uh oh, time for Wapner
Please. TMZ.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'232845\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 11:14 AM\']They did 'family pair Pyramid' on Supermarket Sweep a few times. The results were not so watchable.[/quote]
What were they doing playing Pyramid on Supermarket Sweep?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232852\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 11:44 AM\']What were they doing playing Pyramid on Supermarket Sweep?[/quote]
Giving away seconds and beefing up the delicious delicious product placement, just like every other minigame they do before Teh Big Sweep.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232852\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 02:44 PM\'][quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'232845\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 11:14 AM\']They did 'family pair Pyramid' on Supermarket Sweep a few times. The results were not so watchable.[/quote]
What were they doing playing Pyramid on Supermarket Sweep?
[/quote]
It was one of their little mini-games. IIRC, one person had to describe a common grocery item (not a brand name). There was another where one team member somehow spelled the word out for their teammate. It was as painful as it sounds.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'232818\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 06:32 AM\']
there's thousands in vegas with plenty of people playing.
When was the last time you stood for an hour and watched someone else play a slot machine?
[/quote]
Considering I'm not 21 yet.......the last time I was in Vegas (June). :D Although to be fair I wasnt standing, I was walking around the casino since that's legal.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'232849\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 02:35 PM\'][quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'232845\' date=\'Dec 23 2009, 11:14 AM\']They did 'family pair Pyramid' on Supermarket Sweep a few times. The results were not so watchable.[/quote]
And yet, there are going to be people around here swearing up and down that it's a viable option until the day we die.
[/quote]
I've been a part of those discussions before, and while I won't accept that a Supermarket Sweep rip-off proves the point, I understand the potential problems. That's why I brought up a pair of strangers. Seeing them bond (if they played a series of games) would add to the fun. It does require broadcast time and a capable host to introduce them, though.
When Chris C. thought it family or friends could work, though, I perked up. It's just simpler. But I haven't seen when Clark's version actually tried it.
To me, anything beats grabbing whomever they can off CW sitcoms and third-tier cable channels and calling them celebrities.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'232936\' date=\'Dec 24 2009, 10:42 AM\']When Chris C. thought it family or friends could work, though, I perked up. It's just simpler. But I haven't seen when Clark's version actually tried it.[/quote]It was Junior Partner Pyramid. A youngster brought along mom, dad or another family member.
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I'm inclined to think not all seven subjects in a category will lend themselves to inside-family references. If they put up Mount Rushmore, what are the odds they'll say "It's where little Tommy lost his lunch"?
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Well some more timeslots are going to open up- Tyra Banks has pulled the plug on her talkshow...
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'233094\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 02:56 PM\']Well some more timeslots are going to open up- Tyra Banks has pulled the plug on her talkshow...[/quote]
As much as I couldn't stand her talk show, I'd wish she'd go back to wearing those outrageous wigs.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'233094\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 02:56 PM\']Well some more timeslots are going to open up- Tyra Banks has pulled the plug on her talkshow...[/quote]
Interesting. If I'm not mistaken, that's now a CW show, not syndicated. Whether or not they turn that back to affiliates is another question, considering it's not as if there's any CW shows lighting up the primetime charts.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'233098\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'233094\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 02:56 PM\']Well some more timeslots are going to open up- Tyra Banks has pulled the plug on her talkshow...[/quote]
Interesting. If I'm not mistaken, that's now a CW show, not syndicated. Whether or not they turn that back to affiliates is another question, considering it's not as if there's any CW shows lighting up the primetime charts.
[/quote]
It may be a CW show, but the article that I read says it's syndicated.
[post=\"0\"]http://blog.al.com/scenesource/2009/12/tyra_banks_to_end_the_tyra_sho.html[/post]
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It is a CW show. The show left Syndication after last season.
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Don't get your hopes up on that. Broadcasting and Cable is reporting the show will continue next season in the same way Montel has: a "Best Of" package.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/4...w_in_Spring.php (http://\"http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/441747-Tyra_Banks_to_End_Talk_Show_in_Spring.php\")
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'233101\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 04:07 PM\']Broadcasting and Cable is reporting the show will continue next season in the same way Montel has: a "Best Of" package.[/quote]
So the show will run for about two weeks then?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'233103\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 04:16 PM\'][quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'233101\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 04:07 PM\']Broadcasting and Cable is reporting the show will continue next season in the same way Montel has: a "Best Of" package.[/quote]
So the show will run for about two weeks then?
[/quote]
Did the Montel reruns fizzle out? Shows you how much I keep up with things.
Greg
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'233104\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 04:19 PM\']Did the Montel reruns fizzle out? Shows you how much I keep up with things.[/quote]
That was more of a rag on Tyra's show than anything, but I think the reruns are done as well...
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They could always just re-air the episodes with Sylvia Brown. God knows Montel did enough of those, and it's not as though the predictions have gotten any less accurate over time, seeing as they had none to begin with....
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'233104\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 05:19 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'233103\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 04:16 PM\'][quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'233101\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 04:07 PM\']Broadcasting and Cable is reporting the show will continue next season in the same way Montel has: a "Best Of" package.[/quote]
So the show will run for about two weeks then?
[/quote]
Did the Montel reruns fizzle out? Shows you how much I keep up with things.
Greg
[/quote]
They're now airing on a BET spinoff channel, Centric.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'233094\' date=\'Dec 28 2009, 02:56 PM\']Well some more timeslots are going to open up- Tyra Banks has pulled the plug on her talkshow...[/quote]
Further opening the door for a Sarah Palin-hosted yakker.
Not saying it's good; not saying it's bad...just seeing the possibility of it happening.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'233140\' date=\'Dec 29 2009, 07:22 AM\']Sarah Palin-hosted yakker.[/quote]
As it happens, "yakker" would also accurately describe me in front of my kitchen sink if this ever came to pass.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'233147\' date=\'Dec 29 2009, 02:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'233140\' date=\'Dec 29 2009, 07:22 AM\']Sarah Palin-hosted yakker.[/quote]
As it happens, "yakker" would also accurately describe me in front of my kitchen sink if this ever came to pass.
[/quote]
Hey! I just washed those dishes!
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Didn't think this was worth starting a new topic when the article seems a bit more opinion-driven than facts driven, but it's definitely relative and it has at least some logic to its conclusions...
http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/01/06/its-time...life-to-live%2F (http://\"http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/01/06/its-time-to-start-worrying-about-one-life-to-live/?icid=main|main|dl2|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2010%2F01%2F06%2Fits-time-to-start-worrying-about-one-life-to-live%2F\")
May the vultures begin their lurk... yet again. Thoughts, opinions, questions, comments, correlations proposed between CBS's daytime schedule shakeup and future potential ABC changes? Up or down on how long before some half-random GS replacement is thrown out to take its spot?
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'233754\' date=\'Jan 6 2010, 09:17 PM\']Didn't think this was worth starting a new topic when the article seems a bit more opinion-driven than facts driven, but it's definitely relative and it has at least some logic to its conclusions...
http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/01/06/its-time...life-to-live%2F (http://\"http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/01/06/its-time-to-start-worrying-about-one-life-to-live/?icid=main|main|dl2|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2010%2F01%2F06%2Fits-time-to-start-worrying-about-one-life-to-live%2F\")[/quote]
Actually, it may be more fact-driven than you might think. There have been rumors the last 2-3 years that ABC would cancel either AMC or OLTL due to declining ratings. AMC's move to Los Angeles seemed to confirm that the Alphabet had more confidence in that show than OLTL.
ABC filmed a pilot a few months ago for an Aisha Tyler talk show. At the time, the Alphabet said it could be for syndication, network daytime, nighttime, etc. If that show is still on ABC's radar, I could see that as the favorite to take OLTL's slot if it's canceled.
JD
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There's an article at MSNBC.com (http://\"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34710815/ns/entertainment-television/displaymode/1098/\") that's mostly about the changes that may happen to network TV, but it this portion is particularly relevant:
Entire dayparts are disappearing or radically evolving. We've already seen the networks get out of the kids' business. Daytime could be next, with two long-running soaps toast and more casualties highly likely soon.
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Daytime could be next, with two long-running soaps toast and more casualties highly likely soon.
Could be next? Game shows are an extinct species in daytime. The exodus began about 20 years ago.