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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: knagl on July 20, 2009, 07:19:37 PM
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I had the pleasure of attending the taping of the first three episodes of Wheel of Fortune that will be airing this fall (scheduled to start on September 14th). The taping was done at the Sands Expo Center attached to The Venetian casino/hotel in Las Vegas.
The "big" change for this season is the elimination of the "Free Spin" disc -- it's gone for good. There is now a trippy flashing-colored wedge on the wheel in its place called "Free Play". If you land on this space, you have a free guess at a letter. Consonants are worth $500 a piece, vowels are worth nothing, but do not cost anything if you call out a vowel on that spin (you only get one free vowel call per time you land on the wedge -- if you wanted to call another vowel immediately you'd have to buy it like normal). Additionally, if you call a letter that is not in the puzzle, there is no penalty and your turn continues.
It was a great time being in the audience, and I'm glad I had the opportunity. Once I get them off my cell phone, I'll post links to some pictures I managed to take inside the "studio."
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Okay, so let me clarify so I can make sure I/we understand. Please correct me if wrong:
- Free Play is its own wedge that stays on the wheel.
- When you land on it, you may call any letter.
- Correct consonants are $500/letter, correct vowels cost no money.
- An incorrect guess does not penalize you and you may spin/buy/solve again.
- If a contestant lands on the wedge again, he may call another letter, but he must buy a vowel.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'220606\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 06:32 PM\']Okay, so let me clarify so I can make sure I/we understand. Please correct me if wrong:
- Free Play is its own wedge that stays on the wheel.
- When you land on it, you may call any letter.
- Correct consonants are $500/letter, correct vowels cost no money.
- An incorrect guess does not penalize you and you may spin/buy/solve again.
- If a contestant lands on the wedge again, he may call another letter, but he must buy a vowel.[/quote]
All but the last point -- sorry if I was unclear. Each time you land on the wedge you guess one letter at no risk to losing your turn and no cost to call a vowel. There is no obligation to buy a vowel at any time. IF, however, you landed on the wedge and called an "A", and then without spinning wanted to buy an "E", you would pay for the "E" (like normal) and lose your turn if there was no "E".
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'220609\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 07:48 PM\']There is no obligation to buy a vowel at any time.[/quote]Oh, what I meant by that is if he chooses to call a second vowel on his second instance of landing on that, he cannot get it for free, it must be purchased.
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Sounds ridiculously complicated. What the hell was wrong with a free spin??
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What happened to the old saying "If it's not broke, don't fix it?"
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'220610\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 06:51 PM\']Oh, what I meant by that is if he chooses to call a second vowel on his second instance of landing on that, he cannot get it for free, it must be purchased.[/quote]
You could call one vowel for free every time you land on that wedge. You get one no-cost letter guess each time you land on the wedge.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'220611\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 06:59 PM\']Sounds ridiculously complicated. What the hell was wrong with a free spin??[/quote]
It sounds more complicated than it really is. I don't know what was wrong with having the free spin disc, but from Pat's (on-air) comments about it, it seems like the show staff never cared for it. No idea why.
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'220615\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 08:07 PM\']I don't know what was wrong with having the free spin disc, but from Pat's (on-air) comments about it, it seems like the show staff never cared for it.[/quote]
Then the staff is welcome to go screw themselves. Perhaps they'd like to find work elsewhere if the placement of a Free Spin disc troubles them so.
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I miss the days of the contestants collecting Free Spins like they were Pokemon.
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At least a contestant hitting this new "Free Play" space repeatedly won't break the game as much as the old Free Spin wedge did, but still, there was nothing wrong with the way they had it before. And the new space sounds needlessly confusing, especially when you start throwing free vowels into the equation.
Though this does mean (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) that for the first time in the show's history, a vowel could potentially be the first letter revealed in a regular round's puzzle.
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I'm honestly curious as to what the staff members found so bad about a rule that's been in effect for nearly 20 years (gaining the Free Spin upon calling a correct letter). Hell, I'm wondering how many have even WORKED on the show for 20 years?!
I'm all for change for refreshing the show, but this one makes no sense. The Free Spin as we knew was on a low end space ($300 IIRC). Why not just move it to the $500 space, and keep the Free Spin, but still give credit for any letters in the puzzle?
Between this and watching Larry King Live, I've got one hell of a migraine.
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[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' post=\'220637\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 08:49 PM\']At least a contestant hitting this new "Free Play" space repeatedly won't break the game as much as the old Free Spin wedge did.[/quote]
How did it break the game in the first place? Land on it, call the letter, pick it up, and move on.
[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' post=\'220637\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 08:49 PM\']Though this does mean (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) that for the first time in the show's history, a vowel could potentially be the first letter revealed in a regular round's puzzle.[/quote]
Yeah, unfortunately. It's official- the Wheel of Fortune vowel has gone from being a high class hooker to a Maury guest who gives it up for a cheeseburger.
/Gives a whole new meaning to "Land on me, and you can have me for free"
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'220642\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 10:25 PM\']How did it break the game in the first place? Land on it, call the letter, pick it up, and move on.[/quote]As he said, the old Free Spin wedge, as in the ability to rack up Free Spin after Free Spin after Free Spin after Free Spin...
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'220644\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 09:37 PM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'220642\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 10:25 PM\']How did it break the game in the first place? Land on it, call the letter, pick it up, and move on.[/quote]As he said, the old Free Spin wedge, as in the ability to rack up Free Spin after Free Spin after Free Spin after Free Spin...
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Oops...my bad.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'220620\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 08:34 PM\'][quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'220615\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 08:07 PM\']I don't know what was wrong with having the free spin disc, but from Pat's (on-air) comments about it, it seems like the show staff never cared for it.[/quote]
Then the staff is welcome to go screw themselves. Perhaps they'd like to find work elsewhere if the placement of a Free Spin disc troubles them so.[/quote]
Since this seems to be a problem, I could tell them where to place their Free Spins.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'220612\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 05:00 PM\']What happened to the old saying "If it's not broke, don't fix it?"[/quote]
Fifteen years of Megaword, clue puzzles, bonus questions, and Mystery wedges and you're just asking this question NOW?
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So they basically combined the Free spin, Buy a Vowel space from the very very beginning, and a $500 space...
Free spin was always a natural part of the game to me, it's been there in some basic form since 75, and I'd even say it's an iconic part of the show. And while it has been my thought process these past few years they've been approaching the FS as less and less of something important to the game (it not helping that 95% of contestants who've landed on it in recent memory don't use any seeming strategy with it!), I'm still not thinking highly of this...
I never had a problem with contestants getting more than one FS, personally. If anything, it came off as humorous, in the least, to see people piling them up in front of them like a stack of pancakes. Also, while I understand the rules for this new thing just fine... much like how they had to handle the $1kk Wedge to make it logistically viable... it comes off... as overly and unnecessarily complicated.
Is anyone else missing the time where people just picked up a FS/prize when they landed it on it before calling a letter? That would've been a better solution than this. Oh yeah, and you mean there's SOMETHING else on the wheel valued at $500? Are there more $500 things in various forms now than $300 wedges on the wheel? Oy...
/At least Pat's probably happy with the name now.
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Maybe it's done to speed things up. It takes up a lot of time to pass that silly disc back from the blue position. Two questions...How many rounds did this freaky space last, and is the Wild Card still in play?
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This new Free Play thing irks me a little bit. Sure it may "save" players $250 on buying a vowel for free, but to sacrafice the Free Spin disc for that? It just comes off as totally unecessary. This game is really starting to really get "broken" bit by bit. What's next? A 4th toss-up after Round 6(if it ever gets THAT far)?
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This, coming from the same staff that regularly edits down spins and cuts complete rounds from the tape.
I'm trying to decide which game show has the most incompetent producing staff....looks like Wheel just took the lead.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'220685\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 05:00 AM\']This new Free Play thing irks me a little bit. Sure it may "save" players $250 on buying a vowel for free, but to sacrafice the Free Spin disc for that? It just comes off as totally unecessary. This game is really starting to really get "broken" bit by bit. What's next? A 4th toss-up after Round 6(if it ever gets THAT far)?[/quote]
They will probably play toss-ups for the first 15 minutes of the show, then they'll start Round 1, the time bell goes off, and Pat gives the wheel a final (and only) spin.
At this rate, with another 5 years of "tweaking", the show could have NOTHING that was seen or done back on episode #1 when Chuck Woolery first hosted Wheel.
/Wait a minute...Woolery Lef....??
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As he said, the old Free Spin wedge, as in the ability to rack up Free Spin after Free Spin after Free Spin after Free Spin...
I remember a Woolery episode one summer where a contestant racked up about 6 of them. She kept spinning the wheel in a perfect circle to land on the same spot over and over again. I can't remember if she actually used them all during the course of the show though.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'220699\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 08:58 AM\']At this rate, with another 5 years of "tweaking", the show could have NOTHING that was seen or done back on episode #1 when Chuck Woolery first hosted Wheel.[/quote]
Other than Charlie O. (and even he was gone for eight years), what does it have? Who on the staff has been a member of the team continuously since that opening day telecast in 1975?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'220686\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 04:46 AM\']This, coming from the same staff that regularly edits down spins and cuts complete rounds from the tape.
I'm trying to decide which game show has the most incompetent producing staff....looks like Wheel just took the lead.[/quote]
Given that the entire staff of Family Feud apparently can't perform basic addition, I'd say we have a two-horse race, at minimum.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220653\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 11:34 PM\'][quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'220612\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 05:00 PM\']What happened to the old saying "If it's not broke, don't fix it?"[/quote]
Fifteen years of Megaword, clue puzzles, bonus questions, and Mystery wedges and you're just asking this question NOW?
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Might be the first time I've said it here...I've wondered it for quite some time. Might explain why I've stopped watching the program with any sort of consistency since about 2003 or so.
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I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a major change. It takes out a little bit of the "strategy" of when to use the Free Spin card you just got, but that's about it. In some ways, it's better than a free spin, in that you don't incur a penalty for an incorrect guess. Remember, a Free Spin can also yield a Bankrupt -- not possible here.
It's just tinkering at the margins to me.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'220725\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 11:26 AM\']I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a major change. It takes out a little bit of the "strategy" of when to use the Free Spin card you just got, but that's about it. In some ways, it's better than a free spin, in that you don't incur a penalty for an incorrect guess. Remember, a Free Spin can also yield a Bankrupt -- not possible here.
It's just tinkering at the margins to me.[/quote]
Of course, enough margins have been tinkered at in the last decade-plus that the whole flavor of the show is almost unrecognizable from its peak of enjoyability/popularity/what-have-you.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'220711\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 09:51 AM\']Other than Charlie O. (and even he was gone for eight years), what does it have? Who on the staff has been a member of the team continuously since that opening day telecast in 1975?[/quote]
Although he passed away last year, I believe art director Dick Stiles worked on the show going back to the beginning. I remember seeing him credited alongside Ed Flesh in one of the MT&R episodes from 1976.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'220686\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 04:46 AM\']This, coming from the same staff that regularly edits down spins and cuts complete rounds from the tape.[/quote]
I don't mean to pull a "Woolery left" thing, but do they really cut entire rounds out of the aired show? How could they? Even the house minimum would count as score.
It also strikes me as incredible how a show that gives so much money can seem so tightfisted when, instead of cash multiplied by number of appearances of the guessed letter, they give away a flat $1000 gift certificate at a surf shop (or wherever).
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'220751\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 03:24 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'220686\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 04:46 AM\']This, coming from the same staff that regularly edits down spins and cuts complete rounds from the tape.[/quote]
I don't mean to pull a "Woolery left" thing, but do they really cut entire rounds out of the aired show? How could they? Even the house minimum would count as score. [/quote]Wow, that was poorly worded. What I meant, was, they edit out a series of turns...let's say three contestants call incorrect consonants in a row. From what I understand, that gets erased.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'220752\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 03:28 PM\']Wow, that was poorly worded. What I meant, was, they edit out a series of turns...let's say three contestants call incorrect consonants in a row. From what I understand, that gets erased.[/quote]
Oh! I didn't mean to correct you--nothing they'd do now would shock me! Well. . . maybe. . .
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Personally, as long as it isn't too complicated for me to understand, I'm fine with it. Next thing you know, the show won't have a wheel. Just a 3D animation of the wheel players "stop" with the toss-up buzzer. You just watch.
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They could tie in with a certain game system and call it "Wiil of Fortune"
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[quote name=\'LetsGoMets2003\' post=\'220755\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 04:39 PM\']Personally, as long as it isn't too complicated for me to understand, I'm fine with it. Next thing you know, the show won't have a wheel. Just a 3D animation of the wheel players "stop" with the toss-up buzzer. You just watch.[/quote]
What, like Shopper's Bazaar '10?
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I think i,ts a good change. There will be more cash won with this. Wait and see.
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If I'm a prospective contestant, I'd be jumping up and down in my seat. This is money for nothing with no risk attached. I could be completely blanking out on a word, but as long as I hit the Free Play space, I'll have to figure it out eventually.
If I'm a prospective viewer, I'd loathe this change. The wheel is less dangerous and the space itself is completely unexciting. Called a right letter? Okay, great. Called a wrong letter? It was a waste of 5 seconds. Also, it's another way for a contestant to win money/the game just by picking their nose.
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Oh and let,s say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and get,s it wrong,do they get another turn?
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Being a WOF vet... I guess I gotta put in my $250 on this.
WTF?! The free spins are going away?! Jeebus *FACEPALM*... the wheel just hasn't been the same since I was on... at least when I was on, the gimmicks were low, and the focus was on... oh you know... that crazy thing called, SOLVING PUZZLES!
The chances of me watching the 30th anniversary premiere are getting a lot lower now. If it ain't broke, don't F-ing fix it!
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[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220800\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 11:10 PM\']Oh and let,s say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and get,s it wrong,do they get another turn?[/quote]
And the reason they would do that instead of calling a letter they know is in the puzzle for $500 is...?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'220811\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 08:10 AM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220800\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 11:10 PM\']Oh and let's say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and gets it wrong, do they get another turn?[/quote]
And the reason they would do that instead of calling a letter they know is in the puzzle for $500 is...?
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Have you seen the caliber of the contestants they've gotten lately?
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Theoretically, they could edit out a spin that lands on the Free Play space and results in an incorrect letter being called. I doubt they would at the beginning, since they would want to show how the space works, but I wonder if by the end of the season, we'll see gradually fewer instances of the Free Play space resulting in an incorrect letter.
/ To me, E always seemed like it was a cheap floozy. Given how often it's solicited, it could've raised its rates.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'220811\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 09:10 AM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220800\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 11:10 PM\']Oh and let,s say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and get,s it wrong,do they get another turn?[/quote]
And the reason they would do that instead of calling a letter they know is in the puzzle for $500 is...?
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Maybe someone wants 2 guesses at a puzzle.
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[quote name=\'Bill Neuweiler\' post=\'220674\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 12:34 AM\']Two questions...How many rounds did this freaky space last, and is the Wild Card still in play?[/quote]
I believe that the Freeplay wedge remained on the wheel at all times, and yes, there is still the "Wild" card.
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[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220834\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 01:56 PM\']Maybe someone wants 2 guesses at a puzzle.[/quote]
First, no, they forfeited their opportunity to solve when they spun the wheel in the first place.
Second, ohmygodpleaseplungeaknifeintomytemplemakethepainSTOP
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If he's gonna stay here, he could at least sing us a round of "Take a Chance on Me."
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Ok your all right. But you never know.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220837\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 04:25 PM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220834\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 01:56 PM\']Maybe someone wants 2 guesses at a puzzle.[/quote]
First, no, they forfeited their opportunity to solve when they spun the wheel in the first place.
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For Devil's Advocacy's sake:
They also forfeited their opportunity to call a vowel when they spun the wheel. As long as that rule's out the window...
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'221138\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 10:29 AM\']For Devil's Advocacy's sake:
They also forfeited their opportunity to call a vowel when they spun the wheel. As long as that rule's out the window...[/quote]
Nice try, but huh-uh. The rules for letter calling clearly change with this space. I don't think it reasonably follows that the rules for solving could too.
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Doesn't *quite* apply, but there are times when, if it were possible to give two guesses at solving the puzzle, it'd be better than calling a letter you know is there. It doesn't happen often, but occasionally there's a puzzle where, for example, "on" or "of" work equally well, and neither the "n" or the "f" is in the puzzle otherwise.
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'221144\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 11:21 AM\']It doesn't happen often, but occasionally there's a puzzle where, for example, "on" or "of" work equally well, and neither the "n" or the "f" is in the puzzle otherwise.[/quote]
Can you cite a couple of examples?
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"BARREL OF MONKEYS" is a rather clear example, sir.
/You can not comprehend the trauma that I relive every day about witnessing that horrible circus accident.
//Perhaps "BARREL OF MOOCOWS" would have worked better for the premise but the joke fell flat.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221145\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 11:25 AM\'][quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'221144\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 11:21 AM\']It doesn't happen often, but occasionally there's a puzzle where, for example, "on" or "of" work equally well, and neither the "n" or the "f" is in the puzzle otherwise.[/quote]
Can you cite a couple of examples?
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"She sells seashells (by/on) the seashore". Just throwing it out as an example, not perpetuating either side of the argument.
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I recall a puzzle several years ago that listed the New York baseball and football teams: "NEW YORK'S YANKEES, METS, GIANTS, AND JETS" (or maybe the order was different; that was the gist of it anyway). I noticed right away that since the puzzle's only M is in Mets and the only J is in Jets, there's no way to know for certain which is which unless one of those letters had been called.
(Granted, I would have just spun one more time and called one of those letters, seeing as I'm taking a 50/50 risk if I try to solve right away and have less than a 50% chance of hitting a bad space if I spin.)
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[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' post=\'221157\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 04:42 PM\']I recall a puzzle several years ago that listed the New York baseball and football teams: "NEW YORK'S YANKEES, METS, GIANTS, AND JETS"[/quote]
That's a very good example. Somebody here reported an incident on the Woolery show where the contestant solved a puzzle inverse of how they had it, but it could have fit. As it was told, the contestant got credit, but it was the impetus for Chuck throwing in "remember, when you solve that puzzle, you have to say it exactly how it's up there" after the rules.
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[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'221150\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 12:08 PM\']"BARREL OF MONKEYS" is a rather clear example, sir.[/quote]
Except if you think "BARREL ON MONKEYS" is a familiar phrase, sir, you deserve every ounce of fail you receive.
[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'221155\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 01:02 PM\']"She sells seashells (by/on) the seashore". Just throwing it out as an example, not perpetuating either side of the argument.[/quote]
Nope. You call the "O." You know it's in "seashore" (and in fact this is the fatal error the contestant made when they blew it originally; the O in "seashore" was showing and therefore they should have known it wasn't "on")) and that will answer the question of "by" vs. "on" in a hurry.
[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' post=\'221157\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 01:42 PM\'](Granted, I would have just spun one more time and called one of those letters, seeing as I'm taking a 50/50 risk if I try to solve right away and have less than a 50% chance of hitting a bad space if I spin.)[/quote]
Precisely so. And even that isn't necessary in the cited case because you're already on the Free Letter space, and therefore can call the "M" or the "J" with complete confidence, see where it is, and then solve the puzzle with $500 more in your coffers.
HYHYBT cited an "on / of" situation, and I would like to see some examples of those where the insertion of both words creates a familiar phrase that would reasonably used as a WOF puzzle before I'm willing to consider that as anything but an EXTREME fringe case.
(EDIT: In the aforementioned "Seashell" example, it might have been the A showing and therefore "at" was known to be incorrect. But you get the idea.)
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[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'220816\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 10:28 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'220811\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 08:10 AM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220800\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 11:10 PM\']Oh and let's say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and gets it wrong, do they get another turn?[/quote]
And the reason they would do that instead of calling a letter they know is in the puzzle for $500 is...?
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Have you seen the caliber of the contestants they've gotten lately?
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While I hate to give this line of reasoning any credit, this weekend's rerun featured the pair of teenage girls who were so excited to know the Speed-Up puzzle, they just blurted out "SHOPPING SPREE!" when Pat asked for a letter.
With the P unrevealed.
For $6,000/letter.
Obviously, the odds of a contestant passing on a free $500 are going to be at least slightly higher than the 0 I had them at. (Not much higher, though.)
/My face *still* stings from where my palm hit it.
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I can't think of an example, but remember not all of their puzzles are common phrases. The prize puzzles, for instance.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221159\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 05:10 PM\'][quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'221150\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 12:08 PM\']"BARREL OF MONKEYS" is a rather clear example, sir.[/quote]
Except if you think "BARREL ON MONKEYS" is a familiar phrase, sir, you deserve every ounce of fail you receive.
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Perhaps the example puzzle should have been "WHOOSH".
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[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'221296\' date=\'Jul 27 2009, 09:40 PM\']Perhaps the example puzzle should have been "WHOOSH".[/quote]
And I thought the "horrible circus accident" crack made it fairly obvious, too.
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City By the Bay
Come On Eileen
I Have a Hard-by*
On Mennen
Let On-gones Be On-gones
"On the light of the silvery moby."
*May be substituted with Presidents By the One Dollar Bill.
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'221305\' date=\'Jul 27 2009, 07:35 PM\']I Have a Hard-by*[/quote]
I lol'd.
/Approves (http://\"http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/8089/sean20conneryga6.jpg\")
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[quote name='dale_grass' date='Jul 27 2009, 09:35 PM' post='221305']
City By the Bay
Another fifteen years or so, with global warming as it is, this one might become "City In The Bay".
/To Am or Not To Am?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'221381\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 10:03 AM\']Another fifteen years or so, with global warming as it is, this one might become "City In The Bay".[/quote]
Above-average snows in the Rockies this past winter,
Colder than normal summer in the Midwest....Yep, global warming is here!!!
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Here's the first visual look at the Free Play wedge (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/b/2009/07/29/first-look-at-wheel-of-fortune-new-free-play-wedge.htm#comment-17576\").
Even if it turns out to be a bomb, it cannot be denied that that is one good looking wedge. Props to the Wheel crew on keeping the "Free" font from the old Spin.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221456\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM\']Even if it turns out to be a bomb, it cannot be denied that that is one good looking wedge.[/quote]
Actually, yeah it can. Bright friggin' blue with a little writing at the top? Unless they're planning on selling that blue space as an adspons space (like they do with the Jackpot), it's a waste of space.
(And even then, adspons on the wheel really illustrates everything that is wrong with that show.)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221456\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 11:34 PM\']Here's the first visual look at the Free Play wedge (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/b/2009/07/29/first-look-at-wheel-of-fortune-new-free-play-wedge.htm#comment-17576\").[/quote]
Maybe it's me, but that looks really obviously photoshopped.
I'd "love" it if it was in sparky Free Spin disk green and if the "PLAY" was vertical.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'221458\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 09:55 PM\']I'd "love" it if it was in sparky Free Spin disk green and if the "PLAY" was vertical.[/quote]
Reminicent of the oooold brown Free Spin from back in the day.
I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221457\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 12:41 AM\']Actually, yeah it can. Bright friggin' blue with a little writing at the top? Unless they're planning on selling that blue space as an adspons space (like they do with the Jackpot), it's a waste of space.[/quote]I think the reason the space is "wasted" like it is is because it's a slightly raised wedge featuring a monitor, like the current Jackpot wedge (http://\"http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4742/jackpotg.jpg\") (which hasn't featured adspace on the wedge itself this season) or the season 25 Big Money wedge (http://\"http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6050/15554220.jpg\").
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221460\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 10:00 PM\']I think the reason the space is "wasted" like it is is because it's a slightly raised wedge featuring a monitor, like the current Jackpot wedge (http://\"http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4742/jackpotg.jpg\") (which hasn't featured adspace on the wedge itself this season) or the season 25 Big Money wedge (http://\"http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6050/15554220.jpg\").[/quote]
The technical details interest neither me nor most of America. It still looks like wasted space.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221462\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 01:05 AM\']The technical details interest neither me nor most of America.[/quote]Well, golly gee, I didn't mean to step on your toes. Excuse me for providing the reasoning for why they're doing what they're doing.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221463\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 10:23 PM\']Well, golly gee, I didn't mean to step on your toes. Excuse me for providing the reasoning for why they're doing what they're doing.[/quote]
I'm not knocking you for providing the information. I'm saying that to the viewer at home, the information doesn't *matter*, the final product does.
I don't care if that thing has a Flux Capacitor in it. if it's leaving behind wasted space that makes the design look chintzy, then
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221456\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM\']it cannot be denied that that is one good looking wedge.[/quote]
...yes, it can. That's all.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221464\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 01:33 AM\']I'm not knocking you for providing the information...yes, it can. That's all.[/quote]It's all good.
[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'221458\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 12:55 AM\']I'd "love" it if it was in sparky Free Spin disk green and if the "PLAY" was vertical.[/quote]Works for me. (http://\"http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7600/freeplaynew.jpg\")
Potentially fun fact: The font used for "PLAY", Eight Track, was also used for the Whammy! logo.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221466\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 01:00 AM\']Works for me. (http://\"http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7600/freeplaynew.jpg\")[/quote]
Very nice! :)
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'221467\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 03:18 AM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221466\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 01:00 AM\']Works for me. (http://\"http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7600/freeplaynew.jpg\")[/quote]
Very nice! :)
[/quote]
That's just what I had in mind for that wedge, only the background should be a nice, glittery blue like the $2500 space in Round 1 & the "PLAY" font should be like the number fonts on the wheel. Keep that yellow "Free" font, it keeps the feel of the old Free Spin disc intact.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221456\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 12:34 AM\']Here's the first visual look at the Free Play wedge (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/b/2009/07/29/first-look-at-wheel-of-fortune-new-free-play-wedge.htm#comment-17576\").
Even if it turns out to be a bomb, it cannot be denied that that is one good looking wedge. Props to the Wheel crew on keeping the "Free" font from the old Spin.[/quote]
When I worked on the yearbook staff, that was called "dead space", I believe. A big copy no-no. Even the old-school wedge had SPIN in large enough letters to where the space was used to its fullest potential. PLAY should be printed vertically.
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I was hoping for a random play space, myself.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221470\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 04:05 AM\']When I worked on the yearbook staff, that was called "dead space", I believe. A big copy no-no. Even the old-school wedge had SPIN in large enough letters to where the space was used to its fullest potential. PLAY should be printed vertically.[/quote]
Another remedy:
Just like on the old Free Spin wedge, just have the $500 dollar amount in the background....The $5 would be covered/obscured by the Free Play text, and the zeros would be "lightened up" so as not to be as bold as it's neighboring wedges.
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Let's make this Free Play space as loud and obnoxious as the rest of Wheel of Fortune's presentation.
It should actually be dressed in flames, like an old hot rod, then whenever someone lands on it, it should have sparklers shoot from it. There should be a monitor on it showing clips of WKRP in Cincinnati and the background should be rainbow glitter. (http://\"http://i32.tinypic.com/ehyxj5.png\")
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[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'221476\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 08:05 AM\']Let's make this Free Play space as loud and obnoxious as the rest of Wheel of Fortune's presentation.
It should actually be dressed in flames, like an old hot rod, then whenever someone lands on it, it should have sparklers shoot from it. There should be a monitor on it showing clips of WKRP in Cincinnati and the background should be rainbow glitter. (http://\"http://i32.tinypic.com/ehyxj5.png\")[/quote]
You, sir, may step forward and collect not one (1) but TWO (2) Intarnets at any open window. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221481\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 11:47 AM\'][quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'221476\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 08:05 AM\']Let's make this Free Play space as loud and obnoxious as the rest of Wheel of Fortune's presentation.
It should actually be dressed in flames, like an old hot rod, then whenever someone lands on it, it should have sparklers shoot from it. There should be a monitor on it showing clips of WKRP in Cincinnati and the background should be rainbow glitter. (http://\"http://i32.tinypic.com/ehyxj5.png\")[/quote]
You, sir, may step forward and collect not one (1) but TWO (2) Intarnets at any open window. :)
[/quote]
But all the "WKRP" music would be generic as the licensing fees would be too high :( No "Free Play" there.
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[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'221476\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 10:05 AM\']Let's make this Free Play space as loud and obnoxious as the rest of Wheel of Fortune's presentation.
It should actually be dressed in flames, like an old hot rod, then whenever someone lands on it, it should have sparklers shoot from it. There should be a monitor on it showing clips of WKRP in Cincinnati and the background should be rainbow glitter. (http://\"http://i32.tinypic.com/ehyxj5.png\")[/quote]
Heh, this made me LOL. Nice.
-Ryan
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221460\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 01:00 AM\']it's a slightly raised wedge featuring a monitor, like the current Jackpot wedge (http://\"http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4742/jackpotg.jpg\")[/quote]
But the Jackpot wedge isn't a monitor, is it? All of those blue dots light up in sequence, which would imply a series of wired LEDs. They could still write "PLAY" vertically without losing the ability to make the letters light up or blink or whatever they're supposed to do.
(Though I agree that the wedge in the Free Play picture does not look at all like a photograph, so I'm not going to yet assume that that's what the wedge will look like. Knagl?)
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[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'221476\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 11:05 AM\']Let's make this Free Play space as loud and obnoxious as the rest of Wheel of Fortune's presentation.
It should actually be dressed in flames, like an old hot rod, then whenever someone lands on it, it should have sparklers shoot from it. There should be a monitor on it showing clips of WKRP in Cincinnati and the background should be rainbow glitter. (http://\"http://i32.tinypic.com/ehyxj5.png\")[/quote]
WKRP?! Wheel just got me back as a viewer!
/And well played
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221457\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 11:41 PM\']Bright friggin' blue with a little writing at the top? Unless they're planning on selling that blue space as an adspons space (like they do with the Jackpot), it's a waste of space.[/quote]
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'221487\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 12:14 PM\'](Though I agree that the wedge in the Free Play picture does not look at all like a photograph, so I'm not going to yet assume that that's what the wedge will look like. Knagl?)[/quote]
Well, that is indeed an accurate picture of what the wedge looks like -- no photoshopping there. The thing to note, though, as I mentioned in the first post, it's a "trippy flashing-colored wedge" -- the wedge does not remain blue, but is a video monitor of some kind (or has multi-color LEDs under it and the top of the wedge diffuses the light). The wedge changes colors -- the new color "wipes" on if memory serves correctly, and it's constantly changing.
I don't remember any WKRP clips on the wedge, but perhaps I didn't look closely enough. ;-)
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Looking closer at the wedge, I can kind of see how the multi-color LED/diffusion idea would work. The brightness of the LEDs would certainly make it look shopped, but My Professional Opinion™ follows Knagl's description.
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'221508\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 05:51 PM\']The wedge changes colors -- the new color "wipes" on if memory serves correctly, and it's constantly changing.[/quote]
Wheel's producers have apparently decided to give Pokemon a run for its money in the "viewer seizures" department.
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[quote name=\'Offshored2007\' post=\'221483\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 12:48 PM\'][quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'221476\' date=\'Jul 30 2009, 08:05 AM\']Let's make this Free Play space as loud and obnoxious as the rest of Wheel of Fortune's presentation.
It should actually be dressed in flames, like an old hot rod, then whenever someone lands on it, it should have sparklers shoot from it. There should be a monitor on it showing clips of WKRP in Cincinnati and the background should be rainbow glitter. (http://\"http://i32.tinypic.com/ehyxj5.png\")[/quote]
But all the "WKRP" music would be generic as the licensing fees would be too high :( No "Free Play" there.
[/quote]
...unless the particular music selection is within the Sony Music catalog, then it would be played. Then of course, Wheel & Sony would plug the hell out of their myplay.com site so people could download the songs they heard!
/Wheel of Fortune is the home of the mo' sponsorship syndrome!
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"Baby if you've ever wondered, wondered whatever became of me"
"I'm living on the Wheel of Fortune"
"Wheel of Fortune, F-R-E-E"
Groan...
No copyright infringment intended.
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Well, it looks like the electric blue Free Play wedge was just concept art. From the pic on this new press release, they decided to give it the Free Spin color motif. Nice.
http://www.wheeloffortune.com/announcement...efreeplay_image (http://\"http://www.wheeloffortune.com/announcements/?article=31&hs317=wheeloffortune_lasvegaspremierefreeplay_image\")
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Unfortunately, there's still dead space aplenty.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'225836\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:44 AM\']Unfortunately, there's still dead space aplenty.[/quote]
My precise reaction, sir.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225842\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:21 AM\'][quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'225836\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:44 AM\']Unfortunately, there's still dead space aplenty.[/quote]
My precise reaction, sir.
[/quote]
My initial reaction: what changed? Then I looked back. Kind of like putting barbecue sauce on a moldy hot dog. Sure it'll taste a little better, but not good.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225845\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:10 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225842\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:21 AM\'][quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'225836\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:44 AM\']Unfortunately, there's still dead space aplenty.[/quote]
My precise reaction, sir.
[/quote]
Kind of like putting barbecue sauce on a moldy hot dog. Sure it'll taste a little better, but not good.
[/quote]
Remind me never to go to a cookout at your house. ;-)
Whoever designed that space needs a good refresher in Photoshop. 30% content, 70% space=s**t
/They tell you about dead space in middle school, people!
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[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220800\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 12:10 AM\']Oh and let,s say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and get,s it wrong,do they get another turn?[/quote]
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That'll be next season, when they add the chase-light-ridden "Double Dip" wedge. Sponsored by Haagen-Daas.
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Unlike “Free Spin”, which had no value when landed on, each correct consonant called during a “Free Play” is worth $500.
The $300/letter they gave you the last couple seasons when you landed on that space is forgotten that quickly?
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'225831\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:33 AM\']Well, it looks like the electric blue Free Play wedge was just concept art. From the pic on this new press release, they decided to give it the Free Spin color motif.[/quote]
I don't know how I can be more clear about this. IT. CHANGES. COLOR.
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'225891\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:41 PM\']I don't know how I can be more clear about this. IT. CHANGES. COLOR.[/quote]
Oh thank god!!!
(At least the painfully badly designed dead space will be colorful, then.)
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'225891\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 05:41 PM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'225831\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:33 AM\']Well, it looks like the electric blue Free Play wedge was just concept art. From the pic on this new press release, they decided to give it the Free Spin color motif.[/quote]
I don't know how I can be more clear about this. IT. CHANGES. COLOR.
[/quote]
It sure does.
And also, I see some of the lighting on the board/lecterns got upgraded too. They gloooooooow :)
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'225891\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:41 PM\']I don't know how I can be more clear about this. IT. CHANGES. COLOR.[/quote]
Because if there's one thing Wheel didn't already have enough of, it was things that change color.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225898\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 06:37 PM\'][quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'225891\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:41 PM\']I don't know how I can be more clear about this. IT. CHANGES. COLOR.[/quote]
Oh thank god!!!
(At least the painfully badly designed dead space will be colorful, then.)
[/quote]
And of course, it's a painfully badly designed color change, so it's consistent.
/Most of my WoF viewing experience was trying to figure out what was real and what was CG or art.
//And the 5k space is next to a Bankrupt
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'225925\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:03 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225898\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 06:37 PM\'][quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'225891\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:41 PM\']I don't know how I can be more clear about this. IT. CHANGES. COLOR.[/quote]
Oh thank god!!!
(At least the painfully badly designed dead space will be colorful, then.)
[/quote]
And of course, it's a painfully badly designed color change, so it's consistent.
/Most of my WoF viewing experience was trying to figure out what was real and what was CG or art.
//And the 5k space is next to a Bankrupt
[/quote]
Not to mention the 2500 is also now next to that bankrupt (making it 2 now, there was previously only one, in R1, along with every round). 3 spaces away from that now in R1, the JP. Looks like part one of a budget cut, or *heaven forbid* another gimmick coming soon to a now NORMAL R2...
AND, did I also not see any cars on that set either? So has Friedman or Sony or w/e axed those too?
I never thought I'd see the day when WOF would not be offering any cars at all. I really hope I'm wrong, or if it has happened, it's solely because the auto companies aren't as willing to dish them out in that manner in this kind of market (even though that would go against some economist's basic line of thinking)...
Well, at least the set changes are nice. Same goes from J!, VERY MUCH for J!...
/Should change his SN to "Disgruntled Wheelloon"
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AND, did I also not see any cars on that set either? So has Friedman or Sony or w/e axed those too?
Pat told the contestant that there was "$100,000 on the wheel and lots of cash all over". He made no mention of a car.
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There was not a car on the set for the three episodes I attended the taping of (the first three episodes of the season).
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Could it be because they're taping on location? I don't seem to remember any cars on stage whenever they taped away from Culver City. Of course I haven't watched the show regularly in almost a decade so maybe I'm missing something.
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[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'225941\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:45 PM\']Could it be because they're taping on location? I don't seem to remember any cars on stage whenever they taped away from Culver City. Of course I haven't watched the show regularly in almost a decade so maybe I'm missing something.[/quote]
When they go on location, the car is occasionally near the audience area. I've seen a few winning contestants run to the audience area to see their new vehicle.
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That I do remember seeing a year or two ago. I couldn't tell you where the show was taping at that time (since they seem to spend more time on the road than in CA).
But then again, this *was* only the first episode of the new year. Perhaps we'll be seeing Vanna standing next to a car in one of her pre-taped bits they show right before they cut to their last break later this week.
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There was no mention of a car anywhere, not even when plugging Wheel Watchers.
I have zero problem with keeping a 2nd Bankrupt on the wheel. Round 2 just seemed awkward in presentation.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'225946\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:54 PM\']There was no mention of a car anywhere, not even when plugging Wheel Watchers.
I have zero problem with keeping a 2nd Bankrupt on the wheel. Round 2 just seemed awkward in presentation.[/quote]
I'm right with you there. For the first 15 years or so *when they had 1500 on the wheel and a few years thereafter*, there were always 2 BR's on the Wheel, in fact, always past R2. It just made sense, at least to me, since supposedly it was the idea of the stakes going up. The disturbing part about this change this season though was, as I alluded to earlier, given that that 2nd BR hasn't been there for like 5 years at this point, then it suddenly reappears, it seems to tie in with some other tweaks which, together, give a sort of resounding thud that looks like budget cuts, which is a little disconcerting.
Round 2 is awkward now being "normal" (wha!?). Charlie's spiel at the beginning now also make R1's intro awkward. I can't imagine what else Friedman and the crew have up their sleeves if they actually are thinking about intro-ing a new gimmick to put in R2, unless the Big Money wedge returns (and that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world they could do, IMHO)...
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What I don't understand is: if they were going to debut a new "addition" to the show, why not do it on the premiere, like they did with the $1KK wedge? I think the Jackpot space and Mystery wedges first appeared after the premiere, as well.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'225976\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 09:41 PM\']What I don't understand is: if they were going to debut a new "addition" to the show, why not do it on the premiere, like they did with the $1KK wedge? I think the Jackpot space and Mystery wedges first appeared after the premiere, as well.[/quote]
In the late 90s, it was the *norm* for the show to wait until a couple of weeks into the season to start changing things. IIRC, the Toss-Ups in '00 were the first beginning-of-season change the show made in nearly half a decade.
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The 900-300-500-900 stretch of the wheel actually looks weird now, solely by virtue of being the longest uninterrupted stretch of 'virgin' wheel, thanks to the removal of the Free Spin.
(On a related note, could Lose A Turn-Mystery Wedge-Free Play-600-Bankrupt look ANY more awkward?)
Honestly, this is the first time I've ever watched Wheel and the wheel itself felt foreign to me. They've finally gone over the critical mass of 'gimmicks' and turned the wheel into Pile Of Clutter, if you ask me.+
One more random thought...why is the Jackpot wedge still between two $500's?
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I had a cbs station pre empt WOF here with Tennis. No sign of season 27 premiere on Youtube either. Anybody got a link to the show?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'226046\' date=\'Sep 15 2009, 09:38 AM\'](On a related note, could Lose A Turn-Mystery Wedge-Free Play-600-Bankrupt look ANY more awkward?)[/quote]Maybe if the contestants hadn't landed on the trip and the Wild Card in the first two rounds. Then it would have been:
$3500
BANKRUPT
$300
WILD CARD
$450
TRIP
$800
LOSE A TURN
MYSTERY
FREE PLAY
$600
BANKRUPT
[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'226054\' date=\'Sep 15 2009, 12:27 PM\']I had a cbs station pre empt WOF here with Tennis. No sign of season 27 premiere on Youtube either. Anybody got a link to the show?[/quote]Right here. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyMQpKi0h4I&feature=PlayList&p=0EFF9C644262452E&index=0\")
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[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'225933\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:24 PM\']
AND, did I also not see any cars on that set either? So has Friedman or Sony or w/e axed those too?
Pat told the contestant that there was "$100,000 on the wheel and lots of cash all over". He made no mention of a car.
[/quote]
And today, he said, quote, "Cash, cash, cash, nothing but cash" (emphasis mine). I think that makes it clearer that we now have only the folding green stuff.
/What are you playing for?
//The folding green stuff.
///Ah, he's playing for a chaise lounge.
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'226119\' date=\'Sep 15 2009, 08:00 PM\'][quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'225933\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:24 PM\']
AND, did I also not see any cars on that set either? So has Friedman or Sony or w/e axed those too?
Pat told the contestant that there was "$100,000 on the wheel and lots of cash all over". He made no mention of a car.
[/quote]
And today, he said, quote, "Cash, cash, cash, nothing but cash" (emphasis mine). I think that makes it clearer that we now have only the folding green stuff.
/What are you playing for?
//The folding green stuff.
///Ah, he's playing for a chaise lounge.
[/quote]
Yep, heard that too tonight... :(
So then, why is part of me telling that if Friedman and the gang are considering, at some point in the future, adding a gimmick to R2 since the JP is now in R1 for the time, that it might just involve a car? OR, alternatively, that the R2 gimmick will offer some cash amount like 10k, while the Mystery Round will return to its roots and start offering cars again...?
/WHEEL... OF... SPECULATION!
//Dunno if any of this qualifies as wishful thinking though, none of it is remotely close to ideal in my book. No, "once you buy a prize it's yours to keep" doesn't qualify either, don't ya start... :P
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Thanks for the link, will catch up on this episode tomorrow night
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'220642\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 10:25 PM\']Yeah, unfortunately. It's official- the Wheel of Fortune vowel has gone from being a high class hooker to a Maury guest who gives it up for a cheeseburger.
/Gives a whole new meaning to "Land on me, and you can have me for free"[/quote]
Guess I missed the Maury show where Popeye's friend Wimpy was the guest.
I don't think the "free play" wedge is that bad. I'm also wondering when the Free Spin discs will be on display at the Smithsonian.
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It'll help once contestants actually realize the point of the wedge and don't mindlessly call H because 'T_E' is on the board.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'226357\' date=\'Sep 18 2009, 12:32 PM\']It'll help once contestants actually realize the point of the wedge and don't mindlessly call H because 'T_E' is on the board.[/quote]
Given the caliber of contestants they routinely have on nowadays, I wouldn't expect them to figure that out (http://\"http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2711/wofv.jpg\") anytime soon.
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Well, each has its pros and cons.
The free spin allows you to keep your turn, but there was a problem with numerous free spins in the past making it unfair and not giving the others a chance.
The Free Play allows you to take a vowel at no cost which is good and you don't lose your turn which is not bad, but it still needs debating if it will work or not.
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[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'226599\' date=\'Sep 21 2009, 02:36 PM\']Well, each has its pros and cons.
The free spin allows you to keep your turn, but there was a problem with numerous free spins in the past making it unfair and not giving the others a chance.
The Free Play allows you to take a vowel at no cost which is good and you don't lose your turn which is not bad, but it still needs debating if it will work or not.[/quote]
Oh God!! I hope you are from the Blackwood Company...I mean welcome to the board.
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[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'226599\' date=\'Sep 21 2009, 02:36 PM\']The free spin allows you to keep your turn, but there was a problem with numerous free spins in the past making it unfair and not giving the others a chance.[/quote]A problem which hasn't existed for almost what...20 years?
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Not a big fan of the free play wedge...but have to hand it to the producers for trying new ideas.
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I would've felt better with the return of the free spin space. Multiple free spins galore, I tell ya!
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On yesterday's episode, I saw the Free Play wedge in Round 4. Wasn't the wedge suppose to be in play during the first 3 rounds? Just curious.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'226842\' date=\'Sep 25 2009, 03:08 AM\']On yesterday's episode, I saw the Free Play wedge in Round 4. Wasn't the wedge suppose to be in play during the first 3 rounds? Just curious.[/quote]It is for the entire game.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'226842\' date=\'Sep 25 2009, 04:08 AM\']On yesterday's episode, I saw the Free Play wedge in Round 4. Wasn't the wedge suppose to be in play during the first 3 rounds? Just curious.[/quote]
You mean there was a round 4 that didn't immediately start with a Final Spin?
*shock horror*
No, really, their time management has been abysmal so far this season.
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[quote name=\'GrandMasterGalvatron\' post=\'226962\' date=\'Sep 27 2009, 01:15 PM\']You mean there was a round 4 that didn't immediately start with a Final Spin?[/quote]
On the season premiere, round four immediately began with a final spin, but the Free Play wedge (and a Bankrupt directly to the left of $5,000) were on the wheel anyway.
Is this still the case -- that they're not stripping the wheel for round four anymore?
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'227037\' date=\'Sep 28 2009, 01:34 PM\']Is this still the case -- that they're not stripping the wheel for round four anymore?[/quote]
They might be, but the BR and FP may be permanent--IIRC, the TDV's are all next to Bankrupts.
The lack of R4 gameplay doesn't seem that surprising, since Pat's been talking about the Free Play every episode and the Wheel Watchers stuff takes up more time.
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I dont' know if this is new or not, but the wheel is no longer fully replaced (by taking the two halves off) any more.....a few wedges are added and taken away, but because the wheel now has two electronic spots on it (Free play and Jackpot), the wheel stays down and intact throughout the entire show.
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Looking at the first Culver City ep. of the season.
The set looks awful without cars. The weird spires don't do much for a backdrop, and now you have a bunch of unnecessary open (read: dead) space. Of course, this is the same show that has 70% dead space on one of the wedges. Go figure.
/Misses the spinning car platforms with the wheel patterns on them
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'227065\' date=\'Sep 28 2009, 04:27 PM\']I dont' know if this is new or not, but the wheel is no longer fully replaced (by taking the two halves off) any more.....a few wedges are added and taken away, but because the wheel now has two electronic spots on it (Free play and Jackpot), the wheel stays down and intact throughout the entire show.[/quote]
The wheel hasn't been removed in halves since 1997.
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Color me not a fan of the new set -- I liked the Vegas set a lot better! :)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'227067\' date=\'Sep 28 2009, 06:33 PM\']Looking at the first Culver City ep. of the season.
The set looks awful without cars. The weird spires don't do much for a backdrop, and now you have a bunch of unnecessary open (read: dead) space. Of course, this is the same show that has 70% dead space on one of the wedges. Go figure.
/Misses the spinning car platforms with the wheel patterns on them[/quote]
I looked at the set at the Wheel website, and it's just plain dull. Since they have 'Room With A View' theme this week, they should have put two hotel room interiors on both ends of the set, and brightened the set a bit with some white lights.
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Out of curiosity: Does anyone know the money distribution is on the bonus wheel?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'227079\' date=\'Sep 28 2009, 07:03 PM\']Out of curiosity: Does anyone know the money distribution is on the bonus wheel?[/quote]
One $100,000 wedge (or $1 Million instead if that's in play) -- I presume the rest is up to the producers and can be adjusted according to budget needs.
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[quote name=\'tmq800\' post=\'227078\' date=\'Sep 28 2009, 06:58 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'227067\' date=\'Sep 28 2009, 06:33 PM\']Looking at the first Culver City ep. of the season.
The set looks awful without cars. The weird spires don't do much for a backdrop, and now you have a bunch of unnecessary open (read: dead) space. Of course, this is the same show that has 70% dead space on one of the wedges. Go figure.
/Misses the spinning car platforms with the wheel patterns on them[/quote]I looked at the set at the Wheel website, and it's just plain dull. Since they have 'Room With A View' theme this week, they should have put two hotel room interiors on both ends of the set, and brightened the set a bit with some white lights.
[/quote]I can tell you what. That set is the most dull moment in the history of Wheel of Fortune ever.
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[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'227176\' date=\'Sep 29 2009, 06:18 PM\']I can tell you what. That set is the most dull moment in the history of Wheel of Fortune ever.[/quote]
Yeah, this will end well.
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[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'227176\' date=\'Sep 29 2009, 08:18 PM\']I can tell you what. That set is the most dull moment in the history of Wheel of Fortune ever.[/quote]
Does it violate your ministry's sacred code?
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[quote name=\'Darion Blackwood Daniel\' post=\'227176\' date=\'Sep 29 2009, 09:18 PM\']That set is the most dull moment in the history of Wheel of Fortune ever.[/quote]You mean even duller than the time in season eight where Pat just fell asleep on-camera and we had a static shot of him until contestant #1, Diane, decided to wake him up forty-five seconds later?
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This demands a countdown of the 100 Dullest Moments in Wheel of Fortune History. I'll lead off.
#100 - October 17, 1985: After spinning $150 to start a Round 2 puzzle, the player in the yellow position incorrectly guesses a D.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'227202\' date=\'Sep 29 2009, 10:29 PM\']This demands a countdown of the 100 Dullest Moments in Wheel of Fortune History. I'll lead off.
#100 - October 17, 1985: After spinning $150 to start a Round 2 puzzle, the player in the yellow position incorrectly guesses a D.[/quote]You're completely wrong on this: I had it at #85.
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#99 November 16, 1992: The player in the blue position lands on the FUR space but incorrectly calls an F on the spin after that.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'227256\' date=\'Sep 30 2009, 06:39 PM\']#99 November 16, 1992: The player in the blue position lands on the FUR space but incorrectly calls an F on the spin after that.[/quote]
"I landed on your mother's fur space, Trebek!" Oh wait, wrong Merv Griffin show...
#98 March 13, 1984: In the bonus round, contestant Maryanne passes up on the $11,000 Mazda RX7 in favor of a living room set.
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#97 June 12, 2009: Charlie O'Donnell informs us that the Jackpot round is sponsored by Eggland's Best.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'227260\' date=\'Sep 30 2009, 07:41 PM\']#97 June 12, 2009: Charlie O'Donnell informs us that the Jackpot round is sponsored by Eggland's Best.[/quote]
...for the umpteenth time.
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#13 The entire existence of Megaword.
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#96: Someone on the March 14, 1990 episode of daytime Wheel solves the first round puzzle for $125.
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#95 October 22, 1986 The yellow player leads by $8,000. During the blue player's turn, the final spin bell sounds. Pat's spin yields a $700 space with one consonant remaining in the puzzle.
\In that situation, after Pat said, "Vowels are worth nothing, and consonants are worth ...," I'd always complete his sentence, "next to nothing."
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#94 - March 30, 1987: After the contestant fails to solve the bonus puzzle, Pat reminds her that she's won $1,000 and is coming back tomorrow.
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#93 - December 15, 2004: A contestant elects to take the $500 per letter rather than take the mystery wedge.
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#92 - May 23, 1988: Cathy McTressel of Monterey, CA buys a clock for $728. She then had $1172 left in her account.
/Anyone else feel like a certain banned poster now?
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#91 - April 4, 1989 - on the daytime wheel, a contestant spins $500 and guesses a "Y". Rolf Benirschke tells the contestant she will actually have $125 DEDUCTED, because, you know, "sometimes Y".
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#90 - April 17, 1995 - The contestant at the red podium buys two consecutive vowels. She tried to buy three, but she had no more cash and Pat refused to accept an IOU.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'227314\' date=\'Oct 1 2009, 04:43 AM\']Monterrey, CA[/quote]
One "r", chief. Monterrey is in Mexico. :)
/going to Monterey in three days, in fact
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#89 - March 7, 2007 - Contestant in the blue podium uses his 'Wild Card' on a $350 space, and calls a 'P' netting him $350.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'227257\' date=\'Sep 30 2009, 06:48 PM\']"I landed on your mother's fur space, Trebek!" Oh wait, wrong Merv Griffin show...[/quote]
(Note to Self...Do not read postings while eating Cream of Wheat for breakfast!)
#23 -- Week of November 8th, 1977 -- A record number of Bankrupt spins, paired with unusually low round winnings, left players nothing to buy except for the cheapest prize for the week -- the Gucci Golf Ball Marker for $195.
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#88 - July 18, 1989 - CBS Daytime Wheel - Contestant lands on the $50 space and calls a "T", in which there are 5 in the puzzle. Contestant instantly feels regret for going on daytime where 5 T's barely got him enough to buy a vowel.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'227339\' date=\'Oct 1 2009, 10:53 AM\']One "r", chief. Monterrey is in Mexico. :)[/quote]
Whoops, thanks for correction. :)
/One "M" on the check?
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#87 - Friday October 31st, 1986 - NBC Daytime - Pat dresses up as a dalmation and Jane, the player in the blue slot, tries to buy him erroneously for $154 after solving the phrase "WHO PUT THE BOP IN THE BOP SHE BOP SHE BOP"
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#11. June 12, 2009. The first tossup puzzle is SUSAN STAFFORD. No one rings in and it goes unsolved. After seeing the puzzle, Pat and Vanna ask in unison, "Who's she?"
#10. Sometime in 2005, I think it was. Charlie tells us that the Jackpot round is brought to us by HeadOn.
#10. Sometime in 2005, I think it was. Charlie tells us that the Jackpot round is brought to us by HeadOn.
#10. Sometime in 2005, I think it was. Charlie tells us that the Jackpot round is brought to us by HeadOn.
Okay, I'll stop. This is fun, though.
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'227391\' date=\'Oct 1 2009, 02:16 PM\']#10. Sometime in 2005, I think it was. Charlie tells us that the Jackpot round is brought to us by HeadOn.
#10. Sometime in 2005, I think it was. Charlie tells us that the Jackpot round is brought to us by HeadOn.
#10. Sometime in 2005, I think it was. Charlie tells us that the Jackpot round is brought to us by HeadOn.[/quote]
I giggl'd.
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#86 November 30, 2008. Carol solves the Prize Puzzle, denying James from Tuscaloosa the opportunity to take his OMGMILLIONBUX wedge through to the next round.
/Was my last one too subtle?
//I thought it was clever.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'227416\' date=\'Oct 1 2009, 07:36 PM\']#86 November 30, 2008. Carol solves the Prize Puzzle, denying James from Tuscaloosa the opportunity to take his OMGMILLIONBUX wedge through to the next round.[/quote]
Wasn't OMGMILLIONBUX the bonus puzzle that night? I swear, that's the only time I've ever seen anyone call an X in the bonus round.
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#85: March 1992: A couple of lightbulbs go out in the $25,000 sign. Several viewers write in wondering why the show is only giving away twenty five dollars.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'227432\' date=\'Oct 1 2009, 10:54 PM\']#85: March 1992: A couple of lightbulbs go out in the $25,000 sign. Several viewers write in wondering why the show is only giving away twenty five dollars.[/quote]
Are you sure this was 1992 and not 1991? I seem to recall it happening a year previous... er, no wait, that was the Bob Goen version.
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#84: September 23, 2003: the show stops down for 45 minutes, when the bonus round contestant gets vertigo from the 1.5 million colors of light. Brenda Stallworth says she saw the room (studio), but recovered and got her "Proper Name" puzzle, DIZZY GILLESPIE.
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#83: March 6, 2003: Pat and Vanna have nothing to discuss after the bonus round ends, so they stand there for 15 seconds staring at the video wall, which reads "America's Game".
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#17 -- January 26, 1989 -- Rolf Benirschke failed miserably three times during the program to try to crack a funny joke!
#16 -- January 8-12, 1976 -- Scheduling a "Mime Week" during the 60-minute trial period on NBC.
#5 -- December 28, 1981 -- Woolery Left Wheel!!?!???
/Well, someone had to mention it! :-P
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#82 - April 6, 2009: Wheel of Fortune debuts in Zimbabwe. First round top dollar value: $25,000,000,000,000.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'227470\' date=\'Oct 2 2009, 02:03 PM\']#82 - April 6, 2009: Wheel of Fortune debuts in Zimbabwe. First round top dollar value: $25,000,000,000,000.[/quote]
#81 - August 9, 2009: Zim WoF debuts its new $10 quadrillion bonus round.
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#80 - October 2, 1997: A female contestant from American Samoa wins the bonus round and picks up Pat in celebration.
/Or am I mixing that up with another game show?
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When will this list be available for a quote-a-day calendar?
#79 - early 1995: The Surprise wedge is landed on and won for a leopard pin.
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#78 - late 1995: The Surprise wedge is landed on and won for a leopard.
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#77 - Early 1996 - the surprise wedge is landed on and won for the surprise wedge. Something to take home as a souvenir.
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#76 - 8/2/1977 - The buzzer sounds briefly even though the contestant correctly called an "N."
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#75 - 1974 - Shopper's Bazaar PILOT. A contestant calls a Spanish N (the one with the tilde over it). Considering Kookie wasn't sure of his vowels, this sends him into a nervous breakdown and they stop tape. The taping is resumed 2 hours later when Kookie is calmed down.
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#74 - Bob Goen incorrectly believes the puzzle solution is "Chocolate Chap Cookies," and gets confused when 2 Is are turned.
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#73 - 1979 - two contestants, eight audience members and one of Susan's shoulder pads are admitted to the hospital after the infamous Schwa Incident. While speaking to the media afterwards, Chuck at one point stumbles over his words and laughs nervously.
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This list thing is gonna get painfully unfunny before too long. It was cute for a while, I'll admit.
/Some might say it's already there.
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#72 - May 1998 - Contestant Frannie solves the Before & After puzzle "I DON'T THINK THIS LIST IS VERY FUNNY BUSINESS."
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'227539\' date=\'Oct 3 2009, 05:00 PM\']This list thing is gonna get painfully unfunny before too long. It was cute for a while, I'll admit.
/Some might say it's already there.[/quote]
I was wondering what I hath wrought about 2 pages and change ago, to be quite honest.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'227475\' date=\'Oct 2 2009, 06:27 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'227470\' date=\'Oct 2 2009, 02:03 PM\']#82 - April 6, 2009: Wheel of Fortune debuts in Zimbabwe. First round top dollar value: $25,000,000,000,000.[/quote]
#81 - August 9, 2009: Zim WoF debuts its new $10 quadrillion bonus round.
[/quote]
Zim Wheel of Fortune? Was the first puzzle "I'm gonna sing the Doom Song now?" Did Jhonen Vasquez have a hand in it?
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'228190\' date=\'Oct 10 2009, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'227475\' date=\'Oct 2 2009, 06:27 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'227470\' date=\'Oct 2 2009, 02:03 PM\']#82 - April 6, 2009: Wheel of Fortune debuts in Zimbabwe. First round top dollar value: $25,000,000,000,000.[/quote]
#81 - August 9, 2009: Zim WoF debuts its new $10 quadrillion bonus round.[/quote]
Zim Wheel of Fortune?[/quote]
My head hurts.
What Joe and Kevin meant was Zimbabwean Wheel of Fortune. Joe should've known better. The top dollar value was $175,000,000,000.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'228196\' date=\'Oct 10 2009, 03:14 PM\']What Joe and Kevin meant was Zimbabwean Wheel of Fortune. Joe should've known better. The top dollar value was $175,000,000,000.[/quote]
Ruin my joke, why don't you.