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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tvwxman on May 26, 2009, 06:06:57 PM
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I think this may be the first time we're getting a source from....twitter...but the Family Feud folk just tweeted the following.... (and, yes, its them)....
Some Feud scoop for 2009!!! Families will be able to win up to $30,000 per day!! Pretty snazzy..eh?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'216626\' date=\'May 26 2009, 06:06 PM\']Families will be able to win up to $30,000 per day!! Pretty snazzy..eh?[/quote]
<insert a Richard Karn 1.5ing the values joke here>
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'216626\' date=\'May 26 2009, 05:06 PM\']Some Feud scoop for 2009!!! Families will be able to win up to $30,000 per day!! Pretty snazzy..eh?[/quote]
If it were me, I'dve bumped it to $25K and made the losing money $10/point. It's been $5/pt for over 30 years...time for a boost.
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It's obviously too late to do this. But I would've preferred one of two payoff systems...
\ Something akin to the Fast Money system used on "Bert's FF" in Australia. For us in the States, I would've started the value of the bonus round at $10,000. For each #1 answer the first of two players named, the stakes increase by $5000. If the first player names all five #1 answers, up the pot all the way to $50K.
\ Remember how the winner's big money game was oh-so-out of place in the latter years of "$ale of the Century"? The payoff system there would've been great for Feud. First visit to the bonus round would be worth $10,000. Regardless of success, if the champs win a second time, the value of Fast Money would be $20,000. Then $30K, $40K and $50K before retiring undefeated.
...glad they're upping the ante. $20K was "getting old". But they could've been a bit more creative.
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Well, that change will increase the chances of the Cole Family's $61,755 five-day record on this version of the show being broken next season.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'216626\' date=\'May 26 2009, 06:06 PM\']I think this may be the first time we're getting a source from....twitter...but the Family Feud folk just tweeted the following.... (and, yes, its them)....
Some Feud scoop for 2009!!! Families will be able to win up to $30,000 per day!! Pretty snazzy..eh?[/quote]
Up to $30,000? Does this mean that the Bullseye/Bankroll round comes back? How well did this work out for Feud last time?
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[quote name=\'dmota104\' post=\'216640\' date=\'May 26 2009, 08:25 PM\']It's obviously too late to do this. But I would've preferred one of two payoff systems...
\ Something akin to the Fast Money system used on "Bert's FF" in Australia. For us in the States, I would've started the value of the bonus round at $10,000. For each #1 answer the first of two players named, the stakes increase by $5000. If the first player names all five #1 answers, up the pot all the way to $50K.
\ Remember how the winner's big money game was oh-so-out of place in the latter years of "$ale of the Century"? The payoff system there would've been great for Feud. First visit to the bonus round would be worth $10,000. Regardless of success, if the champs win a second time, the value of Fast Money would be $20,000. Then $30K, $40K and $50K before retiring undefeated.
...glad they're upping the ante. $20K was "getting old". But they could've been a bit more creative.[/quote]
I'm kinda thinking they are going the Aussie route, with a $5K base and another $5K for each #1. Convenient way to trim the budget while offering the bigger top prize. If that is the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see the $5/point fall by the wayside, either.
EDIT: Taking the optimist's route, perhaps it's $5K for winning the main game, and $25K for Fast Money. Hey, who knows?
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I'm thinking it could be $20K still, but with a $10K bonus for all five top answers.
[quote name=\'JerrysFeudinAgain\' post=\'216644\' date=\'May 26 2009, 09:17 PM\']Up to $30,000? Does this mean that the Bullseye/Bankroll round comes back? How well did this work out for Feud last time?[/quote]
I'm probably in the minority, but I actually liked the Bullseye game.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'216652\' date=\'May 26 2009, 09:13 PM\']I'm thinking it could be $20K still, but with a $10K bonus for all five top answers.
[quote name=\'JerrysFeudinAgain\' post=\'216644\' date=\'May 26 2009, 09:17 PM\']Up to $30,000? Does this mean that the Bullseye/Bankroll round comes back? How well did this work out for Feud last time?[/quote]
I'm probably in the minority, but I actually liked the Bullseye game.
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On the contrary, sir. I was a mark for the Bullseye round myself. I thought itmade for a good warm-up to the Feud itself.
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I like the Bullseye round; however, I didn't care for the scoring system of the main game necessitated by its addition.
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I don't think the pacing of the show would be hurt if they added the Bullseye. The way it's set up now, the first segment is rounds one and two, second is double points round three, third is triple points round four and five, if needed and the fourth segment is Fast Money (which sometimes begins in segment three if the game is won in three rounds.) Make segment one Bullseye plus round one, segment two round two and segment three rounds three and four. Make sure the "only read once, three seconds" rule is always invoked in round four and try to use surveys with more points and fewer answers in that round to avoid going to a rushed round five.
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Sodboy13 expressed my thoughts on the Bullseye round to a T.
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I wouldn't mind a Bullseye format to start. In order for a family to play for the max $30K pot, start them with a bankroll of $15K. Each question adds money to the roll($1K, $2K,... up to $5K), As Chad mentioned, switch some of the rounds around & the pacing won't be adversely affected with some minor tweaks.
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I think there would be a MAJOR issue with timing if they reintroduced the Bullseye game, and as it is, they barely have time to play 4 full rounds plus a quick "sudden death" round. If you notice in the early Karn eps. that introduced the 300 point format, there's a LOT of noticeable editing.
Having Bullseye means sacrificing one round of a regular game... on the Combs version and later Dawson version, they played single, double, triple, and one more triple. With today's timing, they'd probably play 3 rounds a la the "Celeb Family Feud", but with single, double, and triple to be sure that the game is decided on the 3rd round.
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[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'216638\' date=\'May 26 2009, 08:59 PM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'216626\' date=\'May 26 2009, 05:06 PM\']Some Feud scoop for 2009!!! Families will be able to win up to $30,000 per day!! Pretty snazzy..eh?[/quote]
If it were me, I'dve bumped it to $25K and made the losing money $10/point. It's been $5/pt for over 30 years...time for a boost.
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Maybe there considering $10/point as well.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'216713\' date=\'May 27 2009, 05:06 PM\']Having Bullseye means sacrificing one round of a regular game... on the Combs version and later Dawson version, they played single, double, triple, and one more triple. With today's timing, they'd probably play 3 rounds a la the "Celeb Family Feud", but with single, double, and triple to be sure that the game is decided on the 3rd round.[/quote]
I don't know, Chad gave a possible solution that could work where you have four maingame rounds and a Bullseye round. Perhaps instead of having it so that each family member faces off, just have the captains. Shaves a few seconds off.
/I watched Bert's Family Feud and thought the "How many #1 answers determined your Fast Money winnings" concept was dumb. If you get a putz up there who gets 36 points for the team, they're not gonna be happy campers when they find out they're only playing for $5,000.
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[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'216732\' date=\'May 28 2009, 01:21 AM\']/I watched Bert's Family Feud and thought the "How many #1 answers determined your Fast Money winnings" concept was dumb. If you get a putz up there who gets 36 points for the team, they're not gonna be happy campers when they find out they're only playing for $5,000.[/quote]
That's kind of why I like the way the British version does it. One cash prize for getting to 200. A bigger cash prize for getting all five top answers between the two players.
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So, exactly where's this assumption coming from that the $30,000 won't just be a direct "Score 200 points, win $30,000". I interpret the "up to" to simply mean that "If they do win they won't have won more, and if they don't win they'll have earned less". Seems that a direct prize bump is the simplest explanation.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'216736\' date=\'May 28 2009, 02:09 AM\']So, exactly where's this assumption coming from[/quote]Nowhere in particular. It's just fun to speculate.
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[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'216732\' date=\'May 28 2009, 12:21 AM\']/I watched Bert's Family Feud and thought the "How many #1 answers determined your Fast Money winnings" concept was dumb. If you get a putz up there who gets 36 points for the team, they're not gonna be happy campers when they find out they're only playing for $5,000.[/quote]
I remember a thread on here about 2 years back when the show went on- that was one of the complaints, coupled with the fact that the way the $100,000 was earned was quite anticlimactic, A player who racks up 186 and has all top answers leaves their teammate simple work, and leaves the audience only wondering which answer they're gonna collect on. But yeah, the prize ladder on Bert's FF was fine- it was the execution that left the concept broken.
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If they're implementing Bullseye, then they're going to have to eliminate a regular round, and eliminating the need for the sudden-death, not-always-used round five isn't going to save enough time. What format did they use on Celebrity Family Feud last year? Was it single-single-triple-sudden death? If it was, then I'd wager that that's what they'd do to accommodate Bullseye.
(Then again, I've seen a couple of episodes this season where the show ran short and they had to pad things out with thirty to sixty seconds of clips from previous episodes. So maybe they're not hurting for time.)
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'216768\' date=\'May 28 2009, 01:35 PM\'](Then again, I've seen a couple of episodes this season where the show ran short and they had to pad things out with thirty to sixty seconds of clips from previous episodes. So maybe they're not hurting for time.)[/quote]That's what I'm saying. I think my previous method would work just fine, as long as you make round four quick and painless.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216735\' date=\'May 27 2009, 10:59 PM\']That's kind of why I like the way the British version does it. One cash prize for getting to 200. A bigger cash prize for getting all five top answers between the two players.[/quote]
But that's broken too. What if the second player doesn't need all five of their answers to cross 200, and one of the answers they didn't need was a #1? They would either need to jigger the game such that you can't win without all 5 #1's (which sucks), tell them in advance that they HAD all five #1's (which makes the reveal pretty much anticlimactic), or tell them after the fact "oh, by the way, that last answer you didn't need was also a #1, you've won eleventy billion dollars!" (Which is just as anticlimactic.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216772\' date=\'May 28 2009, 01:07 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216735\' date=\'May 27 2009, 10:59 PM\']That's kind of why I like the way the British version does it. One cash prize for getting to 200. A bigger cash prize for getting all five top answers between the two players.[/quote]
But that's broken too. What if the second player doesn't need all five of their answers to cross 200, and one of the answers they didn't need was a #1? They would either need to jigger the game such that you can't win without all 5 #1's (which sucks), tell them in advance that they HAD all five #1's (which makes the reveal pretty much anticlimactic), or tell them after the fact "oh, by the way, that last answer you didn't need was also a #1, you've won eleventy billion dollars!" (Which is just as anticlimactic.)
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Well, what they did on the most recent version of Family Fortunes would work- if the team goes over 200, they just reveal the rest of the unneeded answers with their survey tallies and go down the line for each set asking "Is that the number one answer?", followed by the appropriate sound effect.
Of course, when it does come down to that, you can build tension by going out of question order and starting with the answers that garnered 40-50 points.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'216774\' date=\'May 28 2009, 11:14 AM\']Well, what they did on the most recent version of Family Fortunes would work- if the team goes over 200, they just reveal the rest of the unneeded answers with their survey tallies and go down the line for each set asking "Is that the number one answer?", followed by the appropriate sound effect.[/quote]
Right. Considering they've already won *something*, anticlimactic.
Of course, when it does come down to that, you can build tension by going out of question order and starting with the answers that garnered 40-50 points.
And rearrange the questions from the order the first player had them revealed in? Yeah, that won't confuse the hell out of the home viewer or anything.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216772\' date=\'May 28 2009, 02:07 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216735\' date=\'May 27 2009, 10:59 PM\']That's kind of why I like the way the British version does it. One cash prize for getting to 200. A bigger cash prize for getting all five top answers between the two players.[/quote]
But that's broken too. What if the second player doesn't need all five of their answers to cross 200, and one of the answers they didn't need was a #1? They would either need to jigger the game such that you can't win without all 5 #1's (which sucks), tell them in advance that they HAD all five #1's (which makes the reveal pretty much anticlimactic), or tell them after the fact "oh, by the way, that last answer you didn't need was also a #1, you've won eleventy billion dollars!" (Which is just as anticlimactic.)
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I don't think it would be that huge a problem. Just reveal the answers as normal. If they are close to 200, just say they need x points for $20K, but if they hear y sound, that means that they could still win the jackpot. Have the family celebrate winning the $20K regardless. If they are still eligible for the jackpot, have them gather center stage for any more reveals. If it doesn't pan out, remind them that they've won the $20K (cue audience cheers) and are coming back next time.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216781\' date=\'May 28 2009, 11:39 AM\']If it doesn't pan out, remind them that they've won the $20K (cue audience cheers) and are coming back next time.[/quote]
Which now makes winning $20K feel like a loss. Fail.
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"The $30,000 Lollipop," anyone?
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Part of me likes the idea a Bullseye round, with a $15,000 start up, then $1,000-5,000, thus allowing all five to play and win up to $30,000.
But then, I thought about it.
JOHN: Okay, Jackson family, you will play for $17,000!
JACK JACKSON: But last year, the families played for $20,000!
JOHN: Recession. Now shut up and get me two family members!
However, a $20,000 base bank, with $1,000-4,000 works, with just four players. Perhaps everyone but the captain, then when the first survey round starts, start with the captain?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'216798\' date=\'May 28 2009, 05:30 PM\']Part of me likes the idea a Bullseye round, with a $15,000 start up, then $1,000-5,000, thus allowing all five to play and win up to $30,000.
But then, I thought about it.
JOHN: Okay, Jackson family, you will play for $17,000!
JACK JACKSON: But last year, the families played for $20,000!
JOHN: Recession. Now shut up and get me two family members!
However, a $20,000 base bank, with $1,000-4,000 works, with just four players. Perhaps everyone but the captain, then when the first survey round starts, start with the captain?[/quote]
I thought about this type of scenario back when "The New Family Feud"had Bullseye. The longtime prize for "Fast Money"was $10,000 but the bankrolls started at $5,000..
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How about a base amount of $20,000, with all five questions worth a flat $2,000?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216784\' date=\'May 28 2009, 02:59 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216781\' date=\'May 28 2009, 11:39 AM\']If it doesn't pan out, remind them that they've won the $20K (cue audience cheers) and are coming back next time.[/quote]
Which now makes winning $20K feel like a loss. Fail.
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Oh, puh-leaze. Between the hyper contestants and the amped up audience, no one will tell the difference.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'216803\' date=\'May 28 2009, 06:06 PM\']How about a base amount of $20,000, with all five questions worth a flat $2,000?[/quote]
Can u explain that a bit? I don't understand.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216809\' date=\'May 28 2009, 04:00 PM\']Oh, puh-leaze. Between the hyper contestants and the amped up audience, no one will tell the difference.[/quote]
I could not be less surprised to strongly disagree with you.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216812\' date=\'May 28 2009, 06:50 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216809\' date=\'May 28 2009, 04:00 PM\']Oh, puh-leaze. Between the hyper contestants and the amped up audience, no one will tell the difference.[/quote]
I could not be less surprised to strongly disagree with you.
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Yeah, it kinda reminds me of Wheel of Fortune. Contestants win the bonus round and take home $25K, yet they still never get really excited reactions because they feel like they could have won more. Same situation applies to FF.
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What about the consolation money? I don't think upping it to $10 or even $20 a point is too outrageous.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216817\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:39 PM\']What about the consolation money? I don't think upping it to $10 or even $20 a point is too outrageous.[/quote]Yep, we were considering that earlier, I think. $20 a point is a maximum consolation of $3,980 which is only $796 per family member. I think that's fine and dandy.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216818\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:41 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216817\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:39 PM\']What about the consolation money? I don't think upping it to $10 or even $20 a point is too outrageous.[/quote]Yep, we were considering that earlier, I think. $20 a point is a maximum consolation of $3,980 which is only $796 per family member. I think that's fine and dandy.
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I could see that happening. Like mentioned earlier in the thread, it's been $5 since day one. $4,000 for one episode (when you don't award any other cash or prizes) won't break the bank.
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How about the base win staying at $20,000 and then an extra $2,000 for each 10 points above that -- meaning you'd need 250 to get the $30K?
Or $5,000 at 225 and another $5,000 at 250?
I do agree the time is eons past to up the per-point payout from $5.
Unless they pay off in Subway foot-longs.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'216819\' date=\'May 28 2009, 05:48 PM\']I could see that happening. Like mentioned earlier in the thread, it's been $5 since day one. $4,000 for one episode (when you don't award any other cash or prizes) won't break the bank.[/quote]
I think giving a team $4,000 for losing is simply ludicrous, but I suspect that opinion will be shouted down.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216823\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:19 PM\']I think giving a team $4,000 for losing is simply ludicrous, but I suspect that opinion will be shouted down.[/quote]Yeah, but they just got done beating another family and they didn't get anything for that, either. It's not an example Mo' Money syndrome, it's a "We can beat 5 families in the main game and end up with less than $1,000 a piece" issue.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216824\' date=\'May 28 2009, 06:21 PM\']Yeah, but they just got done beating another family and they didn't get anything for that, either.[/quote]
True. I still think it's idiotic.
It's not an example Mo' Money syndrome, it's a "We can beat 5 families in the main game and end up with less than $1,000 a piece" issue.
Honestly? If they go to Fast Money and fail five consecutive times, that's pretty much what they deserve to go home with.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216825\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:30 PM\']Honestly? If they go to Fast Money and fail five consecutive times, that's pretty much what they deserve to go home with.[/quote]I could understand that for two-digit scores. But for scores consistently in the 170-199 region? I don't think so. (Especially when many a top answer ends up being only worth 25 or 30 points, unlike Dawson and Combs's versions where top answers were often worth 40 or 50 each time.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216823\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:19 PM\']I think giving a team $4,000 for losing is simply ludicrous, but I suspect that opinion will be shouted down.[/quote]
Man, you seriously have a real problem with people disagreeing with you.
$4000 cut five ways in 2009 isn't really that extreme. It would at least cover the expenses for flying out to California.
Besides, it's a bonus round. There's no real "losing".
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How many people go on Family Feud for the money? Among my choices today, just about every show out there gives me a better pay-to-work ratio than the Feud. If my family was to win five-times in a row, do decently at Fast Money, my cut turns out to be ten grand or so. If I'm looking to maximize my time, I'm trying out for Jeopardy!, Wheel or The Deal. I'm going to go on Family Feud because it's a fun game to play and a chance to share the experience with my entire family.
But that's just the way I look at things.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216829\' date=\'May 28 2009, 06:59 PM\'](Especially when many a top answer ends up being only worth 25 or 30 points, unlike Dawson and Combs's versions where top answers were often worth 40 or 50 each time.)[/quote]
That's a writing issue, then, in my eyes. You should not have to go 1-2 in more than three of the five questions to win Fast Money. That was the goal I shot for when I would compile one one.
[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216830\' date=\'May 28 2009, 06:59 PM\']Man, you seriously have a real problem with people disagreeing with you.[/quote]
I really don't, actually. I just know that over the years, people around here have been passionate-to-the-point-of-religious-fervor over jacking up the consolation money in Fast Money, and that every time I try to argue otherwise, the dogpile begins. Which I'm fine with; I can handle a dogpile just fine. It just seems like everybody's mind is made up on this one.
Besides, it's a bonus round. There's no real "losing".
Could not disagree more. If you did not win the top prize, you lost. Ask the folks who won two-four-fifty-five-six-seven hundred and fifty dollars if they felt like they won.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216832\' date=\'May 28 2009, 10:04 PM\']I really don't, actually. I just know that over the years, people around here have been passionate-to-the-point-of-religious-fervor over jacking up the consolation money in Fast Money, and that every time I try to argue otherwise, the dogpile begins. Which I'm fine with; I can handle a dogpile just fine. It just seems like everybody's mind is made up on this one.[/quote]
Well, when your argument is "Because it's dumb", can you blame them? I see the pro-"jacking up" people in this thread giving reasonable explanations why they'd like to see the consolation prize be updated to modern standards.
Don't get me wrong, if people were bouncing off their chairs going "OMG! MO'MONEH!!!" Bandit Bobby style, I'd be right there with you.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216832\' date=\'May 28 2009, 10:04 PM\']Could not disagree more. If you did not win the top prize, you lost. Ask the folks who won two-four-fifty-five-six-seven hundred and fifty dollars if they felt like they won.[/quote]
That is a fair point.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216833\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:14 PM\']Well, when your argument is "Because it's dumb", can you blame them? I see the pro-"jacking up" people giving reasonable explanations why they'd like to see the consolation prize be updated to modern standards.[/quote]I'll have a go. If my concern is to Not Spend Money I Don't Have To, I'm going to look at the prizes on offer. How many people watch an episode of Feud where the family wins $985 and Cletus T. Viewer says "Wow, what a gyp! I'm not watching this ever again! What channel is Extra on?"
Viewers are not going to do that. Whether a Fast Money failure is "deserving" of $10 or $15 a point doesn't matter. If the production company thought it was a worthwhile thing to do, they would have done it by now, wouldn't they? Since I'm not on the production staff, I can't say with anything approaching authority as to the reason why, but there it is.
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I've been wondering why they haven't went to $10 a point for a while now. It would be so simple....
"Well, you only scored 180 points in Fast Money, so we'll give you $10 a point by simply adding a zero to your score, you have $1800 and you'll come back tomorrow"
$10 is a nice round number to work with, it doesn't sound as cheap as $5, it gives them a little pocket change and then they have another chance at the big money on the next show.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'216834\' date=\'May 28 2009, 10:21 PM\']Viewers are not going to do that. Whether a Fast Money failure is "deserving" of $10 or $15 a point doesn't matter. If the production company thought it was a worthwhile thing to do, they would have done it by now, wouldn't they? Since I'm not on the production staff, I can't say with anything approaching authority as to the reason why, but there it is.[/quote]
With all due respect, Travis, considering that it took them...what, five years?...to reimplement the classic scoring format, it shouldn't surprise you that they've been dragging their feet on raising the Fast Money consolation stakes.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216830\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:59 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216823\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:19 PM\']I think giving a team $4,000 for losing is simply ludicrous, but I suspect that opinion will be shouted down.[/quote]
Man, you seriously have a real problem with people disagreeing with you.
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I love how he's worried that he'll get shouted down. Be a nice change of pace, actually.
$4000 isn't ridiculous compared to the $20K top prize. That's only 20% of the top prize, similar to what the show started with ($995 to $5000). What's ridiculous is that it hasn't changed even though the top prize has quadrupled. $995 for 5 people??? Hell, if a contestant does nothing right on Wheel of Fortune, that one person still gets $1000. To me, that does make Feud look cheap, and I wouldn't be surprised if the average viewer has drawn the same comparison. If Feud competes against Wheel in a time slot, that's one less reason to watch.
As for Wheel contestants not being excited, I've been watching since the 25th Anniversary hubbub, and as long they see a dollar sign and a number larger than zero they go nutsy cuckoo. Certainly better reactions than when they were giving away hot air balloon trips and gazebos.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216833\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:14 PM\']Well, when your argument is "Because it's dumb", can you blame them?[/quote]
Not really. So it's probably good that I didn't.
To my way of thinking, it's really simple: I don't care if there are two people on a team, three people, five people, twelve people, I don't care. "Consolation" prize money should not see four figures.
I'd be willing to meet in the middle. $10 a point I could live with. Begrudgingly. I wouldn't like it, but I could live with it.
But $20 a point? No. That's ridiculous. That's damn near four grand for a team that just barely lost, but STILL LOST.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216839\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:14 PM\']I love how he's worried that he'll get shouted down. Be a nice change of pace, actually.[/quote]
Show me where I said I was "worried." Go on. You even quoted me verbatim, so you've got the text right there. I'll be right here waiting.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216840\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:29 AM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216833\' date=\'May 28 2009, 08:14 PM\']Well, when your argument is "Because it's dumb", can you blame them?[/quote]
Not really. So it's probably good that I didn't.
To my way of thinking, it's really simple: I don't care if there are two people on a team, three people, five people, twelve people, I don't care. "Consolation" prize money should not see four figures.
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1) So arbitrary. The whole post. Of course the number of people on a team matter.
2) $4000 is just $800 a head, still below what Wheel offers at minimum. Inflation's a bitch.
3) I'll amend 'worried' to 'predicting', even though I'm sick of the semantics shit you lot play. Talk about the points, not the words. Assuming you can.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216838\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:13 PM\']With all due respect, Travis, considering that it took them...what, five years?...to reimplement the classic scoring format, it shouldn't surprise you that they've been dragging their feet on raising the Fast Money consolation stakes.[/quote]Oh come now, I'm not going to be flattered with the respect due me. You should know that by now. :)
You're right. It doesn't surprise me. It is rare to see something on television that surprises me anymore.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216842\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:48 PM\']Of course the number of people on a team matter.[/quote]
What part of "to my way of thinking" don't you understand?
3) I'll amend 'worried' to 'predicting', even though I'm sick of the semantics shit you lot play.
You go right ahead and be sick of it with my full blessing. We'll be back for Round 2 of Words Have Meanings right after this.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216840\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:29 AM\']But $20 a point? No. That's ridiculous. That's damn near four grand for a team that just barely lost, but STILL LOST.[/quote]But as was brought up earlier, that's absolutely no different than $5/point for a 1976 $5,000 top prize. The cash value of the points were worth 1/10% of the top prize. What cost $5,000 in 1976 would cost almost $19,000 in 2008, so with the current $20,000 prize and, even moreso with a $30,000 top prize, the $20/point suggestion is perfectly acceptable using the 1976 logic.
If we're starting game shows, I'd like to start one called Points without Peevishness. If you can continue your side of the argument without being rude, confrontational or downright cross, you win.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216842\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:48 PM\']1) So arbitrary. The whole post. Of course the
number of people on a team matter.[/quote] Not to the budget, they don't.
2) $4000 is just $800 a head, still below what Wheel offers at minimum. Inflation's a bitch.
Wheel of Fortune is seen by millions of people every night. I'm guessing that Feud gets hundreds of thousands. If that. Just because Wheel of Fortune can afford to make $1,000 their house minimum or consolation prize doesn't mean that Feud can afford to. Wheel's big winner of the night can win more in the main game than a Feud family can win in the bonus.
3) I'll amend 'worried' to 'predicting', even though I'm sick of the semantics shit you lot play. Talk about the points, not the words. Assuming you can.
You were doing so poorly before, and then managed to dig even deeper. Well done.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216845\' date=\'May 28 2009, 10:00 PM\']But as was brought up earlier, that's absolutely no different than $5/point for a 1976 $5,000 top prize.[/quote]
Yes, you said that before, and I disagreed then, too. All I can tell you is the gut feeling I get, and that gut feeling is that that is Too Much Money.
the $20/point suggestion is perfectly acceptable using the 1976 logic.
Then all I can say is that my brain must not use the 1976 logic.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216844\' date=\'May 28 2009, 11:51 PM\']What part of "to my way of thinking" don't you understand?
3) I'll amend 'worried' to 'predicting', even though I'm sick of the semantics shit you lot play.
You go right ahead and be sick of it with my full blessing. We'll be back for Round 2 of Words Have Meanings right after this.
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Boy, you just don't like it when people call you on things, do you?
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'216846\' date=\'May 29 2009, 01:02 AM\']Wheel of Fortune is seen by millions of people every night. I'm guessing that Feud gets hundreds of thousands. If that.[/quote]Just for clarification, in early May, Wheel had about 10 million, while Feud had about 2.2 million.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'216846\' date=\'May 29 2009, 01:02 AM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216842\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:48 PM\']1) So arbitrary. The whole post. Of course the
number of people on a team matter.[/quote] Not to the budget, they don't.[/quote]Then raise the budget. There's a difference between being cheap and being noticeably cheap. Of course, I'm talking to someone who liked the Goen Wheel values and questioned the notion that people go on Feud for money, so there ya go.
2) $4000 is just $800 a head, still below what Wheel offers at minimum. Inflation's a bitch.
Wheel of Fortune is seen by millions of people every night. I'm guessing that Feud gets hundreds of thousands. If that. Just because Wheel of Fortune can afford to make $1,000 their house minimum or consolation prize doesn't mean that Feud can afford to. Wheel's big winner of the night can win more in the main game than a Feud family can win in the bonus.
So you admit Feud looks cheap in comparison. Congrats. Changing the consolation prize values can help with that somewhat. I believe they can't afford not to, especially in the competitive syndication environment.
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Then raise the budget. There's a difference between being cheap and being noticeably cheap. Of course, I'm talking to someone who liked the Goen Wheel values and summarily dismissed the notion , so there ya go.
Huh? The fact that I think Wheel of Fortune should be played for hundreds of dollars instead of tens of thousands of dollars doesn't mean anything other than I think that Wheel is played for far too much.
So you admit Feud looks cheap in comparison. Congrats. Changing the consolation prize values can help with that somewhat.
I admit nothing. They're different games on different strata.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216848\' date=\'May 28 2009, 10:05 PM\']Boy, you just don't like it when people call you on things, do you?[/quote]
I am completely puzzled as to what I'm being "called" on.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216851\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:14 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'216846\' date=\'May 29 2009, 01:02 AM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216842\' date=\'May 28 2009, 09:48 PM\']1) So arbitrary. The whole post. Of course the
number of people on a team matter.[/quote] Not to the budget, they don't.[/quote]Then raise the budget. There's a difference between being cheap and being noticeably cheap. Of course, I'm talking to someone who liked the Goen Wheel values and questioned the notion that people go on Feud for money, so there ya go.
2) $4000 is just $800 a head, still below what Wheel offers at minimum. Inflation's a bitch.
Wheel of Fortune is seen by millions of people every night. I'm guessing that Feud gets hundreds of thousands. If that. Just because Wheel of Fortune can afford to make $1,000 their house minimum or consolation prize doesn't mean that Feud can afford to. Wheel's big winner of the night can win more in the main game than a Feud family can win in the bonus.
So you admit Feud looks cheap in comparison. Congrats. Changing the consolation prize values can help with that somewhat. I believe they can't afford not to, especially in the competitive syndication environment.
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Considering the big boys in syndie game shows are offering top prizes of $1M, $1M, $Endless, and $500K, how the hell would one make the stakes on Feud "competitive" without quickly veering into "ridiculous"?
That said, I don't see one bit of an issue with the consolation money going to $10/point. I've been thinking those stakes should have been upped since the days of the Feud Challenge - all the stakes were doubled for the second half, so why not the consolation money?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216853\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:31 AM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216848\' date=\'May 28 2009, 10:05 PM\']Boy, you just don't like it when people call you on things, do you?[/quote]
I am completely puzzled as to what I'm being "called" on.
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Really, Chris? Have you not been paying attention to this whole topic?
You say something is not a good idea (meaning was implied, don't bother). People tell you why they don't agree and are showing you legitimate reasons to back up their point. You put on your best Lemon and act like "who cares?" People go even further and show you why your thinking may be a little flawed. You don't care. Said people get frustrated with your apparent ignorance and tell you as much. Again, you condescend.
We've seen it before, Chris. It's really getting old.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216856\' date=\'May 28 2009, 11:00 PM\']We've seen it before, Chris. It's really getting old.[/quote]
You know what's funny? The person whose's opinion I originally thought ludicrous (that would be Mr. Raygor) is the one person who has been willing to discuss said disagreement with any semblance of maturity, and has demonstrated a willingness to listen to responses.
Which is why he got one, where I explained "I have no mathematical reason for why I think this, I just do." Which seems to be good enough for him, even if he doesn't agree, which he is under no obligation to. Because Joe understands that disagreeing with an opinion and respecting someone's right to have one are two different things.
Bye now.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216857\' date=\'May 29 2009, 01:15 AM\']Because Joe understands that disagreeing with an opinion and respecting someone's right to have one are two different things.[/quote]
You're right. Joe does understand that. Once you start realizing that the world does not revolve around Chris Lemon, perhaps you will as well.
Now back to the topic at hand.
While I agree that there needs to be some change in the consolation prize, I believe quadrupling it is overdoing it just a little. Doubling, i think, works best. If you want to triple it so you can keep it to multiples of five (even though I don't know why you'd want to do that), maybe. $20 a point? Meh.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216857\' date=\'May 29 2009, 01:15 AM\']You know what's funny? The person whose's opinion I originally thought ludicrous (that would be Mr. Raygor) is the one person who has been willing to discuss said disagreement with any semblance of maturity, and has demonstrated a willingness to listen to responses.[/quote]
You flatter me. :)
I like to think that, even though we get into the occasional heated debate or disagreement, that we are respectful enough to each other that we can argue our points without any petty insults. When one of us steps out of line (nobody's perfect) we, at least, try to call it out without out too much nudging.
PYLDude Chris, with all due respect, I'm getting really tired of your confrontational attitude. Would you PLEASE try to chill out? I consider you a friend and I don't want to see you get boothed or even banned. This angry indignation and thread jacking you insist on having every time Chris L opens his mouth is getting really old. (Others too, but I won't drag them into this)
/On topic: I could "live" with $10 a point too. It really isn't that important to me what Feud does. I won't stage a picket line if they stick with $5 a point, trust me. :)
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216851\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:14 AM\']I'm talking to someone who liked the Goen Wheel values and questioned the notion that people go on Feud for money, so there ya go.[/quote]
I'm also someone who prefers the Goen WOF amounts too. The lower stakes gives the game much more of a casual, relaxed mood, which I feel is the best way to play real-money hangman.
Plus, I kinda like it a when someone wins a "quirky" amount like $1375. :)
/I plan on uploading some more Goen WOF eps soon. I'm not fully moved in to my new location yet. Tapes still in boxes.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'216854\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:33 AM\']I've been thinking those stakes should have been upped since the days of the Feud Challenge - all the stakes were doubled for the second half, so why not the consolation money?[/quote]
Y'know, for some reason, I have this theory that it was supposed to go to $10/pt, due to the 4 digit bank scoreboard, but was scrapped before production began. I mean, you can't see the scoreboard during Bullseye, so it couldn't have been for that.
I've quickly learned here that when a thread magically grows multiple pages overnight, to proceed with caution...come on- this started as a fun speculation topic, and now it's turning into a game of definitions. "He said this!" "Well you implied that!" Let's just agree to disgagree and move on.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'216863\' date=\'May 29 2009, 07:37 AM\'][quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'216854\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:33 AM\']I've been thinking those stakes should have been upped since the days of the Feud Challenge - all the stakes were doubled for the second half, so why not the consolation money?[/quote]
Y'know, for some reason, I have this theory that it was supposed to go to $10/pt, due to the 4 digit bank scoreboard, but was scrapped before production began. I mean, you can't see the scoreboard during Bullseye, so it couldn't have been for that.
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That's what I thought, too. But I've since been told that the 4 digits were actually for the Bullseye round, since no one playing the game or in the audience could see what was being superimposed onto that board. Plus, when they re-did the set for Feud '94, the 4-digit scoreboard was still around - just for use in the bankroll round.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'216864\' date=\'May 29 2009, 09:50 AM\']That's what I thought, too. But I've since been told that the 4 digits were actually for the Bullseye round, since no one playing the game or in the audience could see what was being superimposed onto that board. Plus, when they re-did the set for Feud '94, the 4-digit scoreboard was still around - just for use in the bankroll round.[/quote]
Bullseye was played off a real live television monitor. Watch the board fly into the rafters, and you'll notice it more. Or just watch for the occasional rolling line. The monitor represented the three innermost circles. Bankroll was played, like everything else on FF94, off the Fast Money display.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'216866\' date=\'May 29 2009, 09:40 AM\']Bullseye was played off a real live television monitor. Watch the board fly into the rafters, and you'll notice it more. Or just watch for the occasional rolling line. The monitor represented the three innermost circles. Bankroll was played, like everything else on FF94, off the Fast Money display.
-Jason[/quote]
I've seen where there's an inset in the middle of the Bullseye board...always wondered if it was a TV monitor or a projection. Now I know!
/And knowing is half the battle.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216860\' date=\'May 29 2009, 02:43 AM\']Plus, I kinda like it a when someone wins a "quirky" amount like $1375. :)[/quote]
I do, too, which is all the more reason that I wish they still played the main game for dollars instead of points!
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'216928\' date=\'May 30 2009, 12:00 AM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216860\' date=\'May 29 2009, 02:43 AM\']Plus, I kinda like it a when someone wins a "quirky" amount like $1375. :)[/quote]
I do, too, which is all the more reason that I wish they still played the main game for dollars instead of points!
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I mean, what's an extra $300-$599? Really? Losing families in '76 make more than losing families on '09?
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'216870\' date=\'May 29 2009, 12:02 PM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'216866\' date=\'May 29 2009, 09:40 AM\']Bullseye was played off a real live television monitor. Watch the board fly into the rafters, and you'll notice it more. Or just watch for the occasional rolling line. The monitor represented the three innermost circles. Bankroll was played, like everything else on FF94, off the Fast Money display.
-Jason[/quote]
I've seen where there's an inset in the middle of the Bullseye board...always wondered if it was a TV monitor or a projection. Now I know!
/And knowing is half the battle.
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GI Jooooe..... (http://\"http://www.ossum.net/temp/images/GI%20JOE%20Logo.jpg\")
/come on, it was too easy.
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From the Feud's twitter page:
If a family wins 5 games in a row they win a BRAND NEW CAR!!! Yep! Looking' forward to the 2009 season!..don't miss it.
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[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'216935\' date=\'May 30 2009, 01:22 AM\']From the Feud's twitter page:
If a family wins 5 games in a row they win a BRAND NEW CAR!!! Yep! Looking' forward to the 2009 season!..don't miss it.
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A nice idea in theory, but horrible in practice. How are you gonna divide up the car? (Besides "acetylene torch", I mean.)
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[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'216935\' date=\'May 30 2009, 02:22 AM\']From the Feud's twitter page:
If a family wins 5 games in a row they win a BRAND NEW CAR!!! Yep! Looking' forward to the 2009 season!..don't miss it.
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Approves. (http://\"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Barry002.jpg\")
I have to think that no matter what side of the issues you fall, you'd have to agree that this is the most buzz about the Feud that doesn't involve a host change in a long long time
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Ick! FF NEVER offered a car to 5-day champs before & it NEVER should. Unless the captain of the team gets the deeds & the keys, that idea won't fly with me.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'216940\' date=\'May 30 2009, 03:56 AM\']Unless the captain of the team gets the deeds & the keys, that idea won't fly with me.[/quote]Sorry, Craig, it's not going to happen. Feud'll be giving away 2010 Honda Insights so each member gets his choice of which seat he takes home. (I would prefer the passenger bucket.) But it's a free-for-all race to pick which parts and options you get! (I'd go for front bumper, left rear tire and catcon to sell for later. Maybe the stereo component, too, if O'Hurley lets me fit in my pocket.)
ADDED DISCLAIMER: I used the Honda for purposes of humor - Feud has not said that they are giving them away.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216941\' date=\'May 30 2009, 01:07 AM\']Maybe the stereo component, too, if O'Hurley lets me fit in my pocket.)[/quote]
Good choice. I speak from experience when I say that the stock stereos in the new Hondas are surprisingly listenable. First stock stereo I've ever had that I haven't had an immediate urge to rip out and replace with an aftermarket one.
/granted, my last stock stereo was in 1996
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216944\' date=\'May 30 2009, 05:06 AM\']Good choice.[/quote]Oh, yeah. My cousin had a Civic a few years ago that had a great system. I think he might've gutted it and used it when he got a different vehicle.
/This thread is more curvaceous than Kim Kardashian.
//ObGameShow: The Kardashians appeared with The Incredible Plastic Man, Bruce Jenner, in 2008's Celebrity Family Feud.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216945\' date=\'May 30 2009, 04:22 AM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216944\' date=\'May 30 2009, 05:06 AM\']Good choice.[/quote]Oh, yeah. My cousin had a Civic a few years ago that had a great system. I think he might've gutted it and used it when he got a different vehicle.[/quote]I had a Honda for three months earlier this year (wrecked it). The stereo was indeed one of the best parts of it. For an '05, it was fairly nice, had a jack for MP3 players and what not. I now wish I would have kept the stereo.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216944\' date=\'May 30 2009, 05:06 AM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'216941\' date=\'May 30 2009, 01:07 AM\']Maybe the stereo component, too, if O'Hurley lets me fit in my pocket.)[/quote]
Good choice. I speak from experience when I say that the stock stereos in the new Hondas are surprisingly listenable.
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Seconded.
/Accord driver
//Love the MP3 jack
///As for Kim Kardashian, I'd hit it so hard she'll be keeping up with ME
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'216947\' date=\'May 30 2009, 04:29 AM\']For an '05, it was fairly nice, had a jack for MP3 players and what not. I now wish I would have kept the stereo.[/quote]
They had the MP3 jack as early as '05? I figured that was a newer addition. (That, by the way, is a big reason that I'm content with the stock stereo...I *have* to be able to plug my iPod in.)
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'216959\' date=\'May 30 2009, 09:40 AM\']///As for Kim Kardashian, I'd hit it so hard she'll be keeping up with ME[/quote]
Well done. :)
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I personally believe that only the team captains should be getting the cars if their families should go the distance.
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I feel so left out; my family is in the Toyota camp.
/2nd-gen Prius is very nice
//and amusing to scare passengers with
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'216960\' date=\'May 30 2009, 01:35 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'216947\' date=\'May 30 2009, 04:29 AM\']For an '05, it was fairly nice, had a jack for MP3 players and what not. I now wish I would have kept the stereo.[/quote]
They had the MP3 jack as early as '05? [/quote]They did. I was surprised as well; IIRC, Ipods and the like were just coming into play then. (I remember paying $299 for I believe, a 4 MB Ipod)
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'216940\' date=\'May 30 2009, 02:56 AM\']Ick! FF NEVER offered a car to 5-day champs before & it NEVER should. Unless the captain of the team gets the deeds & the keys, that idea won't fly with me.[/quote]
See Family Fortunes over in the UK. It can be done.
\I'd take the Steering Wheel just the sheer fact that the car won't be usable without it.
\\ and I have a 06 Focus, which runs like a charmer.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'216967\' date=\'May 30 2009, 01:22 PM\']They did. I was surprised as well; IIRC, Ipods and the like were just coming into play then. (I remember paying $299 for I believe, a 4 MB Ipod)[/quote]
That would surprise me. The 1st gen 4GB Nanos were $249, but since then never went for more than $200, and the regular iPods were never smaller than 20GB since 2004. (The first one I bought, a 5G Video in late 2005, was a 30GB model.)
(A 4 MB iPod would hold one song. Two if they were short and you compressed the hell out of them. ;))
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Conversely, my wife describes Fords as kick-ass sound systems surrounded by crappy cars.
About the $1 a point: I was referring to the even quirkier winnings totals that resulted.
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Another major update , also from Twitter :
Family_FeudSCOOP!!! The Bulls-Eye round is coming back to the Feud in 2009!!! Yep..fun, exciting and a bit retro! Win money right from the start!
2 minutes ago from web
Discuss....
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I think it's awesome. The suggestion of starting with $15,000 and doing $1k - $5k works just fine with me, and may work fine with the budget, too.
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Well, the show's going into its 11th season, so the producers figure they have to do something to give the game a little spark. I have no problem with the Bullseye Round, but it'll force speedup of the regular game unless they reformat that also. I'm also in favor or the Fast Money going to $10 a point if they don't win. It makes it easy to figure out what a family wins. A family that gets 167 points gets $1.670. Simple.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217066\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 11:41 AM\']I think it's awesome. The suggestion of starting with $15,000 and doing $1k - $5k works just fine with me, and may work fine with the budget, too.[/quote]
Awesome in theory, but not in practice, probably. I hope this doesn't end up as 10 pounds of game in a 5 pound bag. Maybe it works if you cut the Bullseye down to three questions, start with a $10K base, and make the questions $5K, $5K, and $10K. Even then, still gonna be tight, and probably still going to result in the Single-Double-Triple format I don't particularly care for.
Maybe, possibly, perhaps:
Segment 1: Bullseye + Single
Segment 2: Single
Segment 3: Double + Triple
Segment 4: Fast Money
And, continuing the unqualified optimism, perhaps the cramped quarters would convince the producers to make a three-round, clean-sweep win mathematically possible again.
Also, even though the point is moot now, another idea on raising the stakes: Main game shutout = higher Fast Money jackpot.
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I still don't know why we can't do the current format, S-S-D-T, as long as everything moves briskly along.
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Well, this explains why Fast Money is worth "up to" $30,000.
But how are they going to cram in the main game with Bullseye? It was already rushed in 1992, and it will be even more rushed today.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'217065\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 09:38 AM\']Win money right from the start![/quote]
If it plays like the old Bullseye round did, isn't this a little disingenuous?
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Bullseye is already integrated into the show, so I don't see why it needs to be added again.
My bet is either some weird Fast Money rules or Occam's Razor.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'217078\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 11:46 AM\']My bet is either some weird Fast Money rules or Occam's Razor.[/quote]
Huh?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'217078\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 02:46 PM\']Bullseye is already integrated into the show, so I don't see why it needs to be added again.[/quote]
Color me confused, but hubbalawha? When was Bullseye already integrated?
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[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'217081\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 02:06 PM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'217078\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 02:46 PM\']Bullseye is already integrated into the show, so I don't see why it needs to be added again.[/quote]
Color me confused, but hubbalawha? When was Bullseye already integrated?[/quote]
I think he's referring to the sudden death tiebreaker played if no one reaches 300 after the triple round. That's the only thing I can think of that's remotely close.
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Yes Bullseye as sudden death.
Occam's Razor argument being that it's either $30K or $5/point in the endgame.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'217086\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 01:12 PM\']Occam's Razor argument being that it's either $30K or $5/point in the endgame.[/quote]
Um, okay. One would think that the Occam's Razor argument would be "build your bank in Bullseye" what with the Twitter announcement, but whatever floats your boat...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217087\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 04:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'217086\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 01:12 PM\']Occam's Razor argument being that it's either $30K or $5/point in the endgame.[/quote]
Um, okay. One would think that the Occam's Razor argument would be "build your bank in Bullseye" what with the Twitter announcement, but whatever floats your boat...
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Agreed. No one really needs to speculate anymore, since they clearly said, "Bullseye's coming back" and referred to it as "retro."
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217077\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 01:16 PM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'217065\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 09:38 AM\']Win money right from the start![/quote]
If it plays like the old Bullseye round did, isn't this a little disingenuous?
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Hmm... well either it's a poor choice of words on Twitter (which would only be about the 81,245,179th time that's happened,) or maybe they're paying out $10K up-front for Bullseye, and another $20K in Fast Money, which would be kinda... odd.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'217091\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 01:21 PM\']Hmm... well either it's a poor choice of words on Twitter (which would only be about the 81,245,179th time that's happened,)[/quote]
Yeah, I suspect nobody's editing whoever is doing the Twittering for Fremantle, or they don't care.
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I'm not really a fan of Bullseye coming back, but my brother Andrew probably would like that.
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Well, I know there's only one small set change needed to accomodate Bullseye, and that's the podium scoreboards, but I wonder if anything else is gonna be added with it. Are they gonna change the podiums, just add a new scoreboard, EDIT or just use the space where the family name is located, like Bert's FF did?
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217101\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 07:07 PM\']use the space where the family name is located, like Bert's FF did?[/quote]That seems sensible.
MOSHER
$22,000
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I'd much prefer to see a new scoreboard for Bullseye in place of those useless eggcrates displays.
Maybe then they could just take a shot of the main game scores on the big board like they did for 17 years.
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217104\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 06:42 PM\']I'd much prefer to see a new scoreboard for Bullseye in place of those useless eggcrates displays.
Maybe then they could just take a shot of the main game scores on the big board like they did for 17 years.[/quote]
Oh, don't get me started on that issue- I was peeved when they re-added those scoreboards. Because there's more black in/on/around the set this season, they blend in a little better, but they still look out of place to me
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217103\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 06:13 PM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217101\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 07:07 PM\']use the space where the family name is located, like Bert's FF did?[/quote]That seems sensible.
MOSHER
$22,000
[/quote]
For Bullseye on Bert's FF, IIRC, they replaced the family names with the Bullseye banks. Since it was only used during celebrity games, though, it didn't matter, since you'd probably be able to identify the players' association without a moniker hanging above.
Loved the Aussie version of the show, but their implementation of Bullseye really did suck.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217121\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 11:54 PM\']Loved the Aussie version of the show, but their implementation of Bullseye really did suck.[/quote]
Just read up on how they did it - yowza. "So in short, as long as your first player gets at least one top answer in Fast Money, this will all have been an incredibly pointless exercise."
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217104\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 06:42 PM\']I'd much prefer to see a new scoreboard for Bullseye in place of those useless eggcrates displays.[/quote]
Or better yet, dump the eggcrates and go back to the Ferranti displays.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'217137\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 11:41 AM\'][quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217104\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 06:42 PM\']I'd much prefer to see a new scoreboard for Bullseye in place of those useless eggcrates displays.[/quote]
Or better yet, dump the eggcrates and go back to the Ferranti displays.
[/quote]
Meh. Nostalgia is what it is and all, but everything on that set is lit up and decidedly non-dot-matrix. The old-time displays would be just as much of a sore thumb, if not moreso. Just put another flat-panel monitor in there so everything matches.
I thought I had read here previously that the proportions of the current set are different from the '76-'94 sets, so the camera angles involved in displaying the teams' scores on the back wall just aren't doable. Thus, the decision a few episodes into the O'Hurley era to shove the eggcrates into the family desks.
/First person to suggest switching the survey board to Solari panels gets a prize!
//It's a brand new punch in the face.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'217139\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 12:53 PM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'217137\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 11:41 AM\'][quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217104\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 06:42 PM\']I'd much prefer to see a new scoreboard for Bullseye in place of those useless eggcrates displays.[/quote]
Or better yet, dump the eggcrates and go back to the Ferranti displays.
[/quote]
Meh. Nostalgia is what it is and all, but everything on that set is lit up and decidedly non-dot-matrix. The old-time displays would be just as much of a sore thumb, if not moreso. Just put another flat-panel monitor in there so everything matches.
[/quote]
Wasn't looking at it so much from the nostalgia standpoint--I just prefer the way the Ferranti displays look compared to the Eggcrates.
/Oh, and nice work Sunday.
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Wasn't looking at it so much from the nostalgia standpoint--I just prefer the way the Ferranti displays look compared to the Eggcrates.
Put me down for a couple of eggs...er...eggcrates. After seeing them on game shows practically my whole life, I'd miss them if they weren't there! It's disappointing to me that shows like Wheel of Fortune stopped using them - there aren't too many shows around now that still use them.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'217122\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 12:11 AM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217121\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 11:54 PM\']Loved the Aussie version of the show, but their implementation of Bullseye really did suck.[/quote]
Just read up on how they did it - yowza. "So in short, as long as your first player gets at least one top answer in Fast Money, this will all have been an incredibly pointless exercise."
[/quote]
Exactly- it would have been better if they had just added the Bullseye bank to the final fast money total.
I thought I had read here previously that the proportions of the current set are different from the '76-'94 sets, so the camera angles involved in displaying the teams' scores on the back wall just aren't doable. Thus, the decision a few episodes into the O'Hurley era to shove the eggcrates into the family desks.
My only big gripe with it was the fact that they used such out of place scoreboards.....they could have used flat panel screens and it would have been fine- at least those would have matched the set.
BTW, I went back a few tweets on the Feud page, and it says they start taping on June 7th, so hopefully we get a sneak preview on Youtube soon!
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217172\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 11:06 PM\'][quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'217122\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 12:11 AM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217121\' date=\'Jun 1 2009, 11:54 PM\']Loved the Aussie version of the show, but their implementation of Bullseye really did suck.[/quote]
Just read up on how they did it - yowza. "So in short, as long as your first player gets at least one top answer in Fast Money, this will all have been an incredibly pointless exercise."
[/quote]
Exactly- it would have been better if they had just added the Bullseye bank to the final fast money total.
[/quote]
I was thinking of having the Bullseye bank as the base for no top answers, and then going 2x-3x-4x-5x-$100K.
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Any other SWEET TWEETS from the Feud people?
/Watched Conan.
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Per their last two tweets:
Hmm...we are working on what kind of car to give away...one thing for sure, it will be American made!
SCOOP! Family Feud will be traveling to 5 major cities to hold auditions.!! Soooo cool!! Details to be tweeted soon! ;-)
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
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Those last two tweets sound like they were written by a squealing teenager. I doubt that's the demographic they're pressing for, but I wonder if that's the intended effect.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217252\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 04:49 PM\']Hmm...we are working on what kind of car to give away...one thing for sure, it will be American made![/quote]Cripes; like it really matters anymore.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217252\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 04:49 PM\']one thing for sure, it will be American made![/quote]
So in other words, a Toyota... :p
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[quote name=\'Some Twittererererererer\' post=\'217252\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 02:49 PM\']Hmm...we are working on what kind of car to give away...one thing for sure, it will be American made![/quote]
Don't they want people to WANT to win it?
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'217254\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 05:16 PM\']Those last two tweets sound like they were written by a squealing teenager. I doubt that's the demographic they're pressing for, but I wonder if that's the intended effect.[/quote]
These tweets, sir, are just the tip of the iceberg- it really is like the PR person for Feud/Fremantle convinced their 15 year old daughter to handle the Twitter account. I'm surprised that there's not more about ponies and stickers and rainbows and Myspace.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217262\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 06:32 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'217254\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 05:16 PM\']Those last two tweets sound like they were written by a squealing teenager. I doubt that's the demographic they're pressing for, but I wonder if that's the intended effect.[/quote]
These tweets, sir, are just the tip of the iceberg- it really is like the PR person for Feud/Fremantle convinced their 15 year old daughter to handle the Twitter account. I'm surprised that there's not more about ponies and stickers and rainbows and Myspace.
[/quote]
You left out the Jonas Brothers.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'217274\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 02:15 AM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217262\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 06:32 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'217254\' date=\'Jun 4 2009, 05:16 PM\']Those last two tweets sound like they were written by a squealing teenager. I doubt that's the demographic they're pressing for, but I wonder if that's the intended effect.[/quote]
These tweets, sir, are just the tip of the iceberg- it really is like the PR person for Feud/Fremantle convinced their 15 year old daughter to handle the Twitter account. I'm surprised that there's not more about ponies and stickers and rainbows and Myspace.
[/quote]
You left out the Jonas Brothers.
[/quote]
Not to mention Facebook. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't dig this "tweet" stuff.
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Some people gathered in a room and thought, "What if we built a social netowrking site built around Facebook's status box?"
I only use it because some companies tend to break news there before it hits the real news.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'217286\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 08:38 AM\']Some people gathered in a room and thought, "What if we built a social netowrking site built around Facebook's status box?"[/quote]
Um...that kinda went down the other way around. Facebook revamped their site because they desperately wanted to look MORE like Twitter.
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"For being our five time champions, you've won a brand new caaar! (http://\"http://www.chrysler.com/en/2009/300/\")"
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217309\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 05:32 PM\']"For being our five time champions, you've won a brand new caaar! (http://\"http://www.chrysler.com/en/2009/300/\")"[/quote]
Total retail value: $7,000!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217311\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 04:45 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217309\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 05:32 PM\']"For being our five time champions, you've won a brand new caaar! (http://\"http://www.chrysler.com/en/2009/300/\")"[/quote]
Total retail value: $7,000!
[/quote]
Wow! The car in the 1980's version of Press Your Luck was valued at....
$6273 !!
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[quote name=\'hines2000\' post=\'217318\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 05:40 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217311\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 04:45 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217309\' date=\'Jun 5 2009, 05:32 PM\']"For being our five time champions, you've won a brand new caaar! (http://\"http://www.chrysler.com/en/2009/300/\")"[/quote]
Total retail value: $7,000!
[/quote]
Wow! The car in the 1980's version of Press Your Luck was valued at....
$6273 !!
[/quote]
I facepalm'd.
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A new tweet (at 12:25am Eastern time?..) links to "spy photos" of the new intro backdrops. I never realized those were called "coves".
Or that game shows had spies.
See here (http://\"http://twitpic.com/6t4hk\") and here (http://\"http://twitpic.com/6t4eb\").
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Not sure what was up with the first photo, but the 2nd one looks homely to me.
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217379\' date=\'Jun 7 2009, 12:27 AM\']Or that game shows had spies.[/quote]
How quickly we forget... (http://\"http://www.indiantelevision.com/images10/dirtyrottencheater.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217379\' date=\'Jun 7 2009, 12:27 AM\']A new tweet (at 12:25am Eastern time?..) links to "spy photos" of the new intro backdrops. I never realized those were called "coves".
Or that game shows had spies.
See here (http://\"http://twitpic.com/6t4hk\") and here (http://\"http://twitpic.com/6t4eb\").[/quote]
Photos don't load
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'217411\' date=\'Jun 7 2009, 04:14 PM\'][quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'217379\' date=\'Jun 7 2009, 12:27 AM\']A new tweet (at 12:25am Eastern time?..) links to "spy photos" of the new intro backdrops. I never realized those were called "coves".
Or that game shows had spies.
See here (http://\"http://twitpic.com/6t4hk\") and here (http://\"http://twitpic.com/6t4eb\").[/quote]
Photos don't load
[/quote]
Hmm.....they did last night when I looked at them. Wonder what's up there.
The first one looked kinda 60's and the second more "luxury". Two totally different themes for the "coves".
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If I was going to be a contestant on the new season of the Family Feud With John O Hurley, my strategy at winning would definitely to be in the retro cove. Also, I hope that if I were to win the show for five days straight, I would win a Chevrolet Malibu. My Uncle Skip, who would be team captain, would get to have the car on Mondays and Saturdays. I would be in the next position, which would obvioulsly mean I got to have the car on Wednesdays And Sundays. My Aunt Sally, in third position, would get the car on Tuesdays. My cousin Debby in Fourth position would get the car on Thursdays and Fridays, but only because Grandma, who is in the last position, won't drive anymore, because she says there are too many Mexicans on the road.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'217413\' date=\'Jun 7 2009, 01:50 PM\']but only because Grandma, who is in the last position, won't drive anymore, because she says there are too many Mexicans on the road.[/quote]
Approves (http://\"http://www.rogerwendell.com/images/mexico/immigrant_crossing_san_diego_03-18-2004.jpg\")
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As much as I like Matt's idea, my plan has me owning everything but the transmission. This ensures that I get the car and everybody else gets the shaft.
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Gold stars to the three above. :)
/Fix the music. That's all I want.
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It's a spoiler, so follow the link if you want news about some FF winners.
http://twitter.com/Family_Feud/status/2071730113 (http://\"http://twitter.com/Family_Feud/status/2071730113\")
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The "cove" pics are working again for those who couldn't see them earlier. Hopefully they keep the "spy" pics coming (or maybe do some new YouTube vids) and we can see what's up with the Bullseye round.
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Well, according to a tweet in between the coves and the spoiler, the car they're giving away this season (or at least to start it off) is an 09 Chrysler 300. I'll take Cars With Massive Blind Spots for $1000, please.
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I don't think I'm too keen on the car idea. It seems to be executed poorly. If your team is Mom, Dad and three kids who live at home....then right on and more power to you. When it's Mom, Dad, Grandma, Uncle Joe and Cousin Bob then I see a problem. Like people on here have said, it's hard to split a car. When I originally heard this news I was thinking one for every member (which would be fair), but from a budget standpoint that could get expensive, even if it's not won that often. From my viewing standpoint, I would have been content with them giving away 5 SmartCars (http://\"http://www.houstoncars.org/wp-content/uploads/SmartCargetsaPriceTag_12088/smartcar.jpg\") though. I think those are pretty darn neat and basic ones don't have a huge sticker price.
/Don't know if I can fit in a Smart Car
/I'm 6'5" tall
/Even though I hear they are surprisingly roomy
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Unless I miss my guess, is that bright sea-greenish light near the top of the first cove (and nearly cut off of the top of the picture of the second cove) the device that rear-projects the family name onto the screen? Pretty cool that it doesn't look like a big, bulky projector.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'217507\' date=\'Jun 8 2009, 12:39 PM\']Unless I miss my guess, is that bright sea-greenish light near the top of the first cove (and nearly cut off of the top of the picture of the second cove) the device that rear-projects the family name onto the screen? Pretty cool that it doesn't look like a big, bulky projector.[/quote]
Not sure about that one, but here's the projector (http://\"http://home.comcast.net/~cmjb13/projector.jpg\") for the main board (taken 2005)
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New tweet:
WOW more high drama at the taping today! One family won 4 games in a row...then lost the 5th. Almost needed to bring Lee Iacocca in for CPR
The PR campaign via Twitter is a great idea, but uh, you'd like to save some of the surprises until September, y'know.
/Oh and lol!!1! :D
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Just returned from my visit to the Feud. Here are some of the changes for the new season.
FORMAT:
Intro
Bullseye
Meet the Families
Round 1 (Single)
- Commercial -
Round 2 (Double)
- Commercial -
Round 3 (Triple)
(Sudden Death, if needed)
- Commercial -
Fast Money
End credits
What's the Same
The set is completely identical, with the exception of a big-ass Chrysler 300 sitting behind the audience. You know where the little children were playing basketball last season during the NBA intros? Yeah, that's all filled with car.
They're still using that same horrid 30-second loop of the Combs theme for every piece of music. Faceoffs, bumpers, intro, and end credits. Oh, and the rhythmic clapping? Conducted by Burton off-stage. "Just look back at me if you get lost in the beat and don't have another black guy near you to help you stay on track."
What's New
The Bullseye Round
As I'd like to refer to it, "Speed Bullseye". After John's intro, he immediately announces it's time for the Bullseye round to build the family banks. The set turns red, the family captains head for the podium, and a giant bullseye is projected onto the big board. John says "Let's put $15,000 in each family's bank." There is silence, then applause. "$1,000" appears in a white, black-outlined and shadowed font on top of the Bullseye on the board. As John reads the first question from his cards (adorned with Bullseyes, no less) suspenseful music plays. This music continues through the entire round. There are no "clangs" or "bells" this time. Just what I can only describe as a "whoosh", then a "thud" as the Bullseye answer is revealed. Standard "strike" sound applies for an incorrect guess. Immediately after the answer is revealed, the players run back and switch places with the next two family members in line. The board then displays $2,000. Lather, rinse, repeat, all the way through $5,000. The whole round lasts maybe 2 minutes, max. On the show I attended, only the $1,000 question was answered correctly, resulting in one $15,000 bank, and one $16,000 bank. After the final question, the suspenseful music ends, the set changes back to its normal colors, and John announces the family totals. Then it's time to meet the families, and after a brief introduction, Round 1 starts with single values.
The Set
The large projection screens that hide the intro furniture and display the family names during gameplay were not lowered at all. I'm not sure if they're even still there. Instead, the furniture stayed as the backdrop the entire game. The family podia still have the same stupid eggcrates in them, and they're still only used to show the main game scores. That's right - Not only are the family names nowhere in sight on the set, neither are the Bullseye bank totals. This means that one if not both of those are either displayed by on-screen graphics, or are just not displayed for the home audience at all. If on-screen graphics are used, I wouldn't know it, because there are no studio monitors in audience view. At least, from where I was sitting, to the left of the "catwalk". The only monitors located behind the audience are a projection screen on either side, and one small boob tube in the center, at the end of the "catwalk". And they all display the big board graphics throughout the show.
Fast Money
They're back to the pre-Celeb FF Fast Money Graphics, with the flying red squares as opposed to the "balls of light". Fast Money consolation is still $5/point. There's a small red display off to the right side of the stage, just to the left of the large piece of set that houses the family on the right, that tells John how many points from 200 the family still needs, and the consolation amount, if needed. Every other piece of information relayed to John throughout the show is done the old-fashioned posterboard and sharpie method.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'217154\' date=\'Jun 2 2009, 04:23 PM\']
Wasn't looking at it so much from the nostalgia standpoint--I just prefer the way the Ferranti displays look compared to the Eggcrates.
Put me down for a couple of eggs...er...eggcrates. After seeing them on game shows practically my whole life, I'd miss them if they weren't there![/quote]
You do realize I'm talking about the display on Dawson/Combs FEUD? Still a 5x7 dot matrix, just a different "font" (for lack of a better term).
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'218109\' date=\'Jun 15 2009, 07:59 PM\']The Set
The large projection screens that hide the intro furniture and display the family names during gameplay were not lowered at all. I'm not sure if they're even still there. Instead, the furniture stayed as the backdrop the entire game. The family podia still have the same stupid eggcrates in them, and they're still only used to show the main game scores. That's right - Not only are the family names nowhere in sight on the set, neither are the Bullseye bank totals. This means that one if not both of those are either displayed by on-screen graphics, or are just not displayed for the home audience at all. If on-screen graphics are used, I wouldn't know it, because there are no studio monitors in audience view. At least, from where I was sitting, to the left of the "catwalk". The only monitors located behind the audience are a projection screen on either side, and one small boob tube in the center, at the end of the "catwalk". And they all display the big board graphics throughout the show.[/quote]
On Celebrity Family Feud, I remember them using a long lit set of LCDs for the family names, and just dimmed the lights on the "living rooms". Why didn't they just use that? It could have doubled as a bank score readout during the Bullseye Round.
Small Unnecessary Changes Kill (a show).
/I didn't notice till later that the above mentioned made an acronym.
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Well, the Bullseye suggestions I posed earlier were INDEED true. Now if only we can figure out which family's playing for what amount during the Bullseye round, it'd be easier to follow along.
"sigh" Still $5/point? That's just not gonna cut it in this economy. Oh well.
Single/Double/Tripe(SD*) is fine by me if that's how they'll work around the new Bullseye round.
The thought of the set turning red in the Bullseye format will take some getting use to. Reminds me of what a photo developing room looks like.
*If necessary
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'218138\' date=\'Jun 16 2009, 03:15 AM\']Well, the Bullseye suggestions I posed earlier were INDEED true. Now if only we can figure out which family's playing for what amount during the Bullseye round, it'd be easier to follow along.[/quote]Oh, cripes.
"sigh" Still $5/point? That's just not gonna cut it in this economy. Oh well.
You can't be serious. Wait, you are.
Single/Double/Tripe(SD*) is fine by me if that's how they'll work around the new Bullseye round.
Glad to see they meet your approval.
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Is it possible that the family names and amount at stake are now digitally placed?
CJ Bojangles: With the new Bullseye format and 3 rounds, does Feud now seem VERY rushed?
I remember that being the downfall of Combs' Family Feud. Ray seemed to REALLY rush through the last couple rounds. I am also wondering if they now enforce the "I'm only going to read this question once" in the final round. They did so throughout most of the run, except on the O'Hurley version. We'll have to see if what you saw is what we see on TV, and how much is edited out. If you watch the early 300 point format episodes with Richard Karn, you can notice a LOT of edits. They obviously realized that with the game having 3 strikes in every round, plus one additional fast round for a sudden death, they didn't have the extra time.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'218142\' date=\'Jun 16 2009, 02:29 AM\']CJ Bojangles: With the new Bullseye format and 3 rounds, does Feud now seem VERY rushed?[/quote]
The show didn't seem any more rushed than it is now. The only part that was really done at breakneck speed was the Bullseye game.
Interestingly, after the first segment, a crew member told John "We're a minute long." To which John sarcastically responded, "Oh. We're a minute long. That's a shame." Those would be the last words he would speak while the cameras weren't on until "Thanks for coming, folks" upon his exit after the show. Total opposite of Bob Barker or Drew Carey during a TPiR taping, where there's chat and banter with the audience during commercial breaks. Instead, Burton ran out to cheerlead during every break while John stood there, in a foot-tapping sort of manner.
After they revealed the first answer of the second question, "Name an ice cream topping that a couple might use in the bedroom", or something similar, the stage manager ran onto the stage, announced that there was a "problem with that question" and they started over with John calling for the next family members for the faceoff, with a new question following.
They're still using the same stupid blue board graphics complete with "clang/whoosh" sound effect as well.
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Interesting... perhaps they felt that the question was too racy or something?
Whipped cream would be an obvious response... what else...
Cherries
Hot fudge
They probably could've reworded the question to "name a topping put on ice cream" and the context would still be the same.
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I actually don't mind a few spoilers; I have a volunteering job Monday-Thursdays during the time that FF is on in Seattle(9:30 AM, unless they change it; with TP:AP probably being canceled that's possible), so I don't really mind too many.
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Here's a new tweet : and a link ....it's definitely different....but just don't know what's the point of it all....
Family_Feud: We are having some fun introducing the families!!...check it out http://bit.ly/mWtlG (http://\"http://bit.ly/mWtlG\")
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I suppose I don't mind that, but...
Do the rooms get used at all then? (CjBojangles?)
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"Show me 'crushed nuts'!"
/clang
//ow
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'218169\' date=\'Jun 16 2009, 01:19 PM\']I suppose I don't mind that, but...
Do the rooms get used at all then? (CjBojangles?)[/quote]
Only during the intros, for the families to "pose" with.
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The first couple of seconds play the theme song from season 9, not the Feud 88 editing hack job. Hopefully they keep it that way.
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Another question: Are the Fast Money rules still fully explained? It seems like they could save a not-insignificant amount of time if they abridged it a little.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'218214\' date=\'Jun 16 2009, 10:52 PM\']Another question: Are the Fast Money rules still fully explained? It seems like they could save a not-insignificant amount of time if they abridged it a little.[/quote]
Now that you mention it, it could very well shave a minute (perhaps longer) if that part gets shaved off. I recalled Dawson's version cutting straight to the contestant with the time on the clock soon after.
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You could easily just do "We're back with the X Family who just won the game and are now going to play Fast Money. I'm here with Y, Z is secluded offstage, and if the 2 of you can give me 200 points, you know what you win. . . Gimme 20 seconds on the clock."
You'd think that after 10 years, the viewers would know the rules.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'218214\' date=\'Jun 16 2009, 08:52 PM\']Another question: Are the Fast Money rules still fully explained? It seems like they could save a not-insignificant amount of time if they abridged it a little.[/quote]
Yes, they're still explained in their entirety. And John still has cue cards for them.
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'218258\' date=\'Jun 17 2009, 01:14 PM\']And John still has cue cards for them.[/quote]Eh, Marc Summers still had cue cards three years into Double Dare's run. He didn't need them, really, the producers just had 'em.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'218259\' date=\'Jun 17 2009, 10:17 AM\']Eh, Marc Summers still had cue cards three years into Double Dare's run. He didn't need them, really, the producers just had 'em.[/quote]
Ah yes, the infamous "destruction of the cue cards" incident. I'd like to see O'Hurley do something like that.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'218167\' date=\'Jun 16 2009, 03:47 PM\']Here's a new tweet : and a link ....it's definitely different....but just don't know what's the point of it all....
Family_Feud: We are having some fun introducing the families!!...check it out http://bit.ly/mWtlG (http://\"http://bit.ly/mWtlG\")[/quote]
Okay, but where are they? Out on the breezeway at TVCity? That just seems silly. Let them introduce themselves, sure, but do it on set--or at their homes, if you're gonna go outside the studio.
File under: Change for the sake of bad audio.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'218278\' date=\'Jun 17 2009, 12:48 PM\']Okay, but where are they? Out on the breezeway at TVCity? That just seems silly. Let them introduce themselves, sure, but do it on set--or at their homes, if you're gonna go outside the studio.[/quote]
Just for the record, Feud tapes at Sunset Bronson Studios, not Television City.
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' post=\'218109\' date=\'Jun 15 2009, 08:59 PM\']Just returned from my visit to the Feud. Here are some of the changes for the new season.
FORMAT:
Intro
Bullseye
Meet the Families ........[/quote]
So is the "Meet The Families" part them showing the short vids that popped up via the FF Twitter page? It would make sense because John is standing center stage in the clip. If so that's not as bad as I thought, and it would save time. When I initially saw the video I thought they nixed the traditional show intro for those intro videos (since they were looking for a "new" intro last year and wanted suggestions).
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'218281\' date=\'Jun 17 2009, 01:04 PM\']So is the "Meet The Families" part them showing the short vids that popped up via the FF Twitter page? It would make sense because John is standing center stage in the clip. If so that's not as bad as I thought, and it would save time. When I initially saw the video I thought they nixed the traditional show intro for those intro videos (since they were looking for a "new" intro last year and wanted suggestions).[/quote]
The "Meet the Families" portion I was referring to was just John's introduction to the day's players. I.E. "Returning with $23,000, it's the _______ family! Who do you have with you today, team captain?" Sort of interesting how they segway right into it after the Bullseye game, and after how fast they play it, it'd easy to forget it even happened.
At no point in the taping did I see anything regarding personal intros. No throws to a clip of any kind. Just the regular open, and regular family introductions. The tweet about the family intros didn't happen until the day after my taping, however. How they plan on incorporating these "home movie" type intros they're touting on Twitter is beyond me. Maybe they're just alluding to the YouTube video, and using a poor choice of words.
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See, I got the vibe that this will be (has been) incorporated in the show somehow (and the fractions of in studio clips at the beginning and end support that theory). I wonder what they are trying to do with these.....
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'218257\' date=\'Jun 17 2009, 12:13 PM\']You could easily just do "We're back with the X Family who just won the game and are now going to play Fast Money. I'm here with Y, Z is secluded offstage, and if the 2 of you can give me 200 points, you know what you win. . . Gimme 20 seconds on the clock."[/quote]
This seems like a very bad thing, now that 'what you win' is going to be different every episode.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'218333\' date=\'Jun 18 2009, 10:11 AM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'218257\' date=\'Jun 17 2009, 12:13 PM\']You could easily just do "We're back with the X Family who just won the game and are now going to play Fast Money. I'm here with Y, Z is secluded offstage, and if the 2 of you can give me 200 points, you know what you win. . . Gimme 20 seconds on the clock."[/quote]
This seems like a very bad thing, now that 'what you win' is going to be different every episode.
[/quote]
"(Name) is with me here for Fast Money, (Name) is offstage where he/she can't hear or see us, and if the two of them can put together two hundred points, they'll win (Number) thousand dollars for their family. Ready? Twenty seconds on the clock..."
Second player:
"(Name), you need (number) points to win (number) thousand dollars. Don't give me an answer (Name)'s already given, or you'll hear this sound (bzz-bzz) and I'll ask you to try again. Okay? Twenty-five seconds on the clock..."
Doesn't seem that hard to pull off.
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True. I was mostly replying just to that specific example.
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Plus, it's been an absolute necessity since Louie started it that the contestant frantically shout "FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS! WHOOOO!!!11!!" followed by a round of applause. Gotta save those precious seconds for that!
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A Chrysler 300 as the car on offer next season? Geez- that company's in limbo. I would've instead offered either the Honda InSight, the Honda Odyssey or the Toyota Prius.
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I stumbled across an article about Fremantle's recent licensing agreement for the new video game versions of TPIR, PYL, and FF, showing a picture of what look's to me like John O'Hurley and a different set, looking closer to the Ray Combs era set:
http://www.licensemag.com/licensemag/Case+...ategoryId=47781 (http://\"http://www.licensemag.com/licensemag/Case+Study/FremantleMedia-Enterprises-Classic-Games-New-Platf/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/600827?contextCategoryId=47781\")
Anyone know if the show is being updated set-wise?
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[quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'219087\' date=\'Jun 27 2009, 10:56 AM\']I stumbled across an article about Fremantle's recent licensing agreement for the new video game versions of TPIR, PYL, and FF, showing a picture of what look's to me like John O'Hurley and a different set, looking closer to the Ray Combs era set:
http://www.licensemag.com/licensemag/Case+...ategoryId=47781 (http://\"http://www.licensemag.com/licensemag/Case+Study/FremantleMedia-Enterprises-Classic-Games-New-Platf/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/600827?contextCategoryId=47781\")
Anyone know if the show is being updated set-wise?[/quote]
I'm thinking that's from one of those "Family Feud LIVE!" shows they were doing for corporate groups and such (or the casino show that came back last year). There was a FF Live website a few months back (listing booking info and talent and such) that had pics like that but it's offline now.
I found this post I made a while ago that confirms that it's from the live show (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=14678&view=findpost&p=176425\"). In said pic they are using the more "traveling" set, rather than the Combs replica set. If I remember correctly, I believe that on this version of the Live set, the board and family backdrops are actually inflatables (like the kids bounce houses and such). The board is like one of those inflatable movie screens you can buy.
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This popped up the other day too
Family Feud on DS and Wii (http://\"http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=family%20fued\")
I'm also noticing that our Ubisoft buyer accidentally spelled it "Fued" - I'll change that on Monday :)
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'219088\' date=\'Jun 27 2009, 08:07 AM\']I'm thinking that's from one of those "Family Feud LIVE!" shows they were doing for corporate groups and such (or the casino show that came back last year).[/quote]
It is. I recognize the gameboard software.
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[quote name=\'Fladam\' post=\'219090\' date=\'Jun 27 2009, 01:06 PM\']This popped up the other day too
Family Feud on DS and Wii (http://\"http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=family%20fued\")
I'm also noticing that our Ubisoft buyer accidentally spelled it "Fued" - I'll change that on Monday :)[/quote]
I am guessing it'll have the "Pre-Bullseye" format, and perhaps the current set. In any case I HOPE it'll be better than the Playstation version that came out a few years ago. The previous version had its perks, such as the option to play the game using the various sets of Feud (Dawson era brought back memories for me). However, the typing interface was difficult, and the gameplay seemed monotonous with the "host" using the EXACT SAME banter from show to show. (I don't care if it was Todd Newton, it still was monotonous, and at times the pacing of the game DRAGGED)
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'219095\' date=\'Jun 27 2009, 06:04 PM\']...(I don't care if it was Todd Newton, it still was monotonous...[/quote]
But you repeat yourself...
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'219095\' date=\'Jun 27 2009, 05:04 PM\']I am guessing it'll have the "Pre-Bullseye" format, and perhaps the current set. In any case I HOPE it'll be better than the Playstation version that came out a few years ago. The previous version had its perks, such as the option to play the game using the various sets of Feud (Dawson era brought back memories for me). However, the typing interface was difficult, and the gameplay seemed monotonous with the "host" using the EXACT SAME banter from show to show. (I don't care if it was Todd Newton, it still was monotonous, and at times the pacing of the game DRAGGED)[/quote]
I'm not sure about the gameplay, but nothing could be worse than the PS2 version. The pace, the typing interface, the hideous avatars...
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[quote name=\'Fladam\' post=\'219235\' date=\'Jun 30 2009, 01:43 PM\']The pace, the typing interface, the hideous avatars...[/quote]Things Fladam Hates About PS2 Feud!
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'219243\' date=\'Jun 30 2009, 02:37 PM\']Things Fladam Hates About PS2 Feud![/quote]Congratulations! (http://\"http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1664/winz09.gif\")
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FamilyFeud at Twitter and YouTube has put up a preview of the new intro plus Bullseye (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXjpUp-JLvk\"). That's followed by a Meet the Families (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Nx1ypu36E\") segment and a bit of the first round (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luf0bjAIelE\").
I like the on-screen Bullseye graphics and sounds. The graphics for the family names and the earned amounts are neat too, but I'd still prefer they'd keep it on the backdrop.
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I agree, the Music and timing is perfect. Doesn't feel rushed, but feels quick enough. Plus, I like that the last player in the families goes for the $5000. Generally, that last player doesn't have much impact on the game - so it's nice to see something for them. I like the lack of backdrops (makes it seem more like 'home'), however I'd like to see the total played for on the lectern.
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'220568\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 02:57 PM\']Generally, that last player doesn't have much impact on the game - so it's nice to see something for them.[/quote]
Considering they broke stalemates before, their role is even more diminished here with a single face-off that has no bearing on the game.
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Hold on a sec here.
Goins family: $15K + $1K + $3K + $5K = $24,000.
Fischbeck family: $15K + $2K = $20,000.
'Scuse me?
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Here's another Bullseye (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnjpr6UJF1Q\") with the Goins family.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'220600\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 05:56 PM\']Here's another Bullseye (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnjpr6UJF1Q\") with the Goins family.[/quote]
I'm trying to figure out how a score of $29,000 - $18,000 is possible. The only thing I've got is that they add $1000 for each day a family returns.
/But why wouldn't they mention this?
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[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'220601\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 06:03 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'220600\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 05:56 PM\']Here's another Bullseye (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnjpr6UJF1Q\") with the Goins family.[/quote]
I'm trying to figure out how a score of $29,000 - $18,000 is possible. The only thing I've got is that they add $1000 for each day a family returns.
/But why wouldn't they mention this?
[/quote]
Except the team with $29K is announced as being on their second day; having earned $25K, there's $4,000 unaccounted for. As for the "returning bonus": the other Bullseye clip is from the Goins' second day; no bonus for them.
Originally, I suspected there might be some kind of unspoken $20,000 minimum, which would have been dumb enough. But after this second clip, I can't figure out what the hell's going on, short of everyone in the room being unable to add.
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[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'220601\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 04:03 PM\']I'm trying to figure out how a score of $29,000 - $18,000 is possible.[/quote]My Occam's Razor Eight-Ball says "go with someone added wrong." When the money is flying that fast, there's bound to be problems. Plus they don't have any sort of onstage graphic to check against, so we're going on John's say-so.
Good idea, piss-po' execution.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'220622\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 08:41 PM\'][quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'220601\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 04:03 PM\']I'm trying to figure out how a score of $29,000 - $18,000 is possible.[/quote]My Occam's Razor Eight-Ball says "go with someone added wrong." When the money is flying that fast, there's bound to be problems. Plus they don't have any sort of onstage graphic to check against, so we're going on John's say-so.
Good idea, piss-po' execution.
[/quote]
If that's the case, then why put it out on the internet for all the world to see in all its unedited glory?
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'220622\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 07:41 PM\'][quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'220601\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 04:03 PM\']I'm trying to figure out how a score of $29,000 - $18,000 is possible.[/quote]My Occam's Razor Eight-Ball says "go with someone added wrong." When the money is flying that fast, there's bound to be problems. Plus they don't have any sort of onstage graphic to check against, so we're going on John's say-so.
Good idea, piss-po' execution.
[/quote]
Whoever handles Family Feud's official youtube channel has posted saying it was a mistake and it would be corrected before the show aired.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'220664\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 09:17 PM\']If that's the case, then why put it out on the internet for all the world to see in all its unedited glory?[/quote]
Why climb the highest mountain? Why, 82 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?
/and it's topical, see
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220669\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 12:40 AM\']Why climb the highest mountain? Why, 82 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?
/and it's topical, see[/quote]
I would've gone "Why does Notre Dame play anybody?" but I'll defer to your judgment this time.
At least we get to see the post-production process in action! Sort of.
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So, they have to post-produce the sound, do cut-aways at awkward moments, and re-post-produce the graphics.
All this, instead of keeping a running total on a whiteboard or a monitor within John O'Hurley's field of vision.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the magic of modern television production!
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'220681\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 02:35 AM\']So, they have to post-produce the sound, do cut-aways at awkward moments, and re-post-produce the graphics.
All this, instead of keeping a running total on a whiteboard or a monitor within John O'Hurley's field of vision.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the magic of modern television production![/quote]
And is it any wonder why we Americans don't do math anymore. Apparently, DoND put an end to all that tedious work.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'220681\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 11:35 PM\']So, they have to post-produce the sound, do cut-aways at awkward moments, and re-post-produce the graphics.
All this, instead of keeping a running total on a whiteboard or a monitor within John O'Hurley's field of vision.[/quote]
The families' Bullseye scores were written on cue cards that were stuck to the bottom of each camera lens on either side of the stage, and someone held up one card with a line drawn down the middle, with the families' names and Bullseye scores, at the end of the "runway" next to the center camera.
If they wanna keep it around for next season, I'd suggest installing some monitors.