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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: Tony Peters on April 05, 2009, 08:23:10 PM
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As a member of Sony Rewards, I get a monthly email notifying of the monthly specials (such as the Monthly Dream Prize®). Part of this month's MDPrize is "A Trip for two (2) to Los Angeles to attend
The GSN Game Show Awards" on May 16th. The accompanying picture shows a TV (a 46" HDTV and a PS3 are also part of the package) with the GSN logo. Intriguingly, the logo has at the bottom the legend "game show network". I once posted that I thought since the "GSN: The Network for Games" rebranding was a failure, they should have changed the text below the "box" logo to reflect the "real" name of the channel (too bad the search function can't pull up the relevant post or else I'd link to it here).
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On GSNRadio, they've been saying GSN - The Game Show Network for quite a while now.
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Here (http://\"http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/dream_prize/electronicsstimulusp/\") is a link to what you're talking about. Interesting observation, though I'm not too sure if the Game Show Network reference is too much to get giddy about, since they do it non-chalantly all the time on GSN Radio. I could certainly be wrong though as that's a very good call. The most notable thing is at the bottom:
Don't miss the Big Saturday Night events on GSN, starting June 6th - you could win $1,000,000 in cash and prizes!
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I had a feeling it was going to be some play-at-home thing with a huge potential jackpot.
Greg
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It's one aspect of the big Saturday nights. It's not the entire thing. It's not just a potential play-at-home thing either.
All of this is really why I wish Fred wouldn't have amped people up so much because honestly, from what I've seen and heard, I have a feeling it's just going to lead to disappointment. I'm kinda embargoed for a bit longer, but one of the things will be taping soon and I'll be able to talk more then.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'212253\' date=\'Apr 5 2009, 09:46 PM\']
All of this is really why I wish Fred wouldn't have amped people up so much because honestly, from what I've seen and heard, I have a feeling it's just going to lead to disappointment.
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Inevitably, it always does. Remember the "big announcement" around the end of 2001? People were clamoring for "Price" (just like this time), and it turned out to be Greed.
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Hm.. Doing some late night Googling, I found this (http://\"http://upfront.gsn.com\") neat site, apparently used for their up-front presentations. Have a look yourself, but here's a summary of some things I picked up:
The absolute biggest news is that, according to this site, GSN has acquired Deal or No Deal and 1 vs. 100.[/b] Alongside those two includes shows GSN currently features, like Pyramid and Password, so I don't know why that would not be the truth. If that is, at all, related to Big Saturday Night (which GSN describes as "big shows, big prizes"), they'll air in the time allotted for that block which looks to be 7 pm - 11 pm.
While that potential news is obviously the biggest, here are some other things that, according to that site, are or were in development at one time or another.
- GSN looks to be developing a version of the UK game show Brainteaser (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainTeaser\"), which was a hybrid studio/call-in show. Looks like PlayMania meets Inquizition.
- Versions of the game Bunco (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunco\") and 20Q (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20Q\"). The latter's pilot was hosted by Joey Lawrence and featured Ken Jennings.
- Instant Recall, a program where a person is put into an everyday situation but then must remember minute details.
- Star Treatment, a Cash Cab-style program throughout L.A.. The winner ends up getting a Hollywood makeover and access to a Hollywood event.
- GSN Daily News, a call-in/news hybrid that offers trivia questions related to news stories that viewers may try to win on if they know the correct answer.
- Two programs called Love Roulette and Honey, Please.
- Wake Up Call, where the contestant must answer questions... you guessed it... immediately after waking up.
- And lastly, The GSN Host Search Tour was originally going to pick twelve candidates, all of whom would participate in an elimination/house reality show to find one final winner to host a new GSN show.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212271\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 05:51 AM\']
- And lastly, The GSN Host Search Tour was originally going to pick twelve candidates, all of whom would participate in an elimination/house reality show to find one final winner to host a new GSN show.
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Ha! I thought that that one had something to do with the tour....and then they realized 'very' quickly that this was a bad idea.
(Not having a host search...having a host search contestant cattle call at a mall)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212271\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 05:51 AM\']
Hm.. Doing some late night Googling, I found this (http://\"http://upfront.gsn.com\") neat site, apparently used for their up-front presentations. Have a look yourself, but here's a summary of some things I picked up:
The absolute biggest news is that, according to this site, GSN has acquired Deal or No Deal and 1 vs. 100.[/b]
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Hopefully they picked up the first seasons of both (while the former was sans gimmicks and the latter didn't turn into suck)
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I've actually thought Bunco is a good idea for a GS format (If Catch 21 is a variation of Gambit, Bunco could be a variation of High Rollers)- ...Brainteaser sounds like something that would air in the afternoons (maybe as a part of GSN Live, since it's interactive as well)...we shall see what sticks I guess..
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I like the core idea of Bunco--"how many x can you roll, how many y," but I don't know how you'd translate it into a game show that would have any sort of playalong. In the mid-70s, B&E or H-Q would have had a shot at it--answer a question for control of the dice, etc.--but I don't see that happening today.
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I welcome the addition of 1 vs 100. However, I am a bit afraid that DoND will get run into the ground. I remember a point where GSN was running hourlong Weakest Links in daytime/early fringe, and that was just bad news. Primetime, it's fine, I guess. Just in moderation.
But it looks like they're developing enough originals and special nights that it might not be a concern.
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A few quick notes before I get the inevitable email to take it down.
Bunco was pitched, as far as I was told, straight as televised Bunco. It apparently had the idea that if men have poker night, women can have Bunco night which is a bit sexist to begin with and really doesn't excuse the fact that watching televised Bunco is going to be brutal. I'm quite frankly stunned they picked this one up for a pilot. I laughed it off initially. I'll be stunned if it gets any further. Which means it probably will.
I've been told basically everyone important dropped off of 20Q; no Ken Jennings and no executive producer. They're casting now and 10 episodes are taping in May. I believe this was originally for NBC and the top prize was $500,000. Apparently the top prize is taking quite a tumble.
Love Roulette interesting has absolutely nothing to do with roulette or randomness of any sort. It's just a rotating set showing off different dating situations. It's a 2waytraffic format. Honey, Please is an Embassy Row format.
The only things I had no idea about were DoND and 1 VS 100's pickups. So there's some good there. Other than that, yeah, I just don't know.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212271\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 05:51 AM\']
- Instant Recall, a program where a person is put into an everyday situation but then must remember minute details.
- Wake Up Call, where the contestant must answer questions... you guessed it... immediately after waking up.
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These two sound interesting, except the latter sounds like the reverse of Cram. Honestly sounds like the bonus round from that show. Instant Recall sounds a little like Hit Man, just a bit more..."interactive".
I know a few years ago (c. 2000-01), GSN came up with a very weird slate of shows (one called "Aliens Ate My Game Show" or something, and some other cockamamie concept that revolved around exercising)...good to see they've become a little more conventional...
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On the "upfront" site they have some clips from "The Money List". It seems to give away a lot of money per GSN standards. It looks like it will be pretty good!
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'212304\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 02:33 PM\']
On the "upfront" site they have some clips from "The Money List". It seems to give away a lot of money per GSN standards. It looks like it will be pretty good![/quote]
Ah, then it's changed significantly from the one-episode extravaganza on Fox? Good to hear.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212306\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 05:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'212304\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 02:33 PM\']
On the "upfront" site they have some clips from "The Money List". It seems to give away a lot of money per GSN standards. It looks like it will be pretty good![/quote]
Ah, then it's changed significantly from the one-episode extravaganza on Fox? Good to hear.
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I know its identical, but I'm talking about that it looks to be pretty good for being a GSN "original".
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This is the first I've heard of a "Jackpot" time slot.
GSN News sounds interesting, if only because of the odd juxtaposition.
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'212315\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 04:00 PM\']
I know its identical, but I'm talking about that it looks to be pretty good for being a GSN "original".[/quote]
Then they must have changed some stuff, because it was completely unwatchable in its original incarnation.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212330\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 10:04 PM\']t was completely unwatchable in its original incarnation.[/quote]Opinion ≠ fact. I quite enjoyed the FOX episode and definitely look forward to the revival.
Do we know if this features the "endless top prize" element FOX's show did?
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What about the host? He seems to catch alot of crap, but, I, for one, will give Fred Roggin a chance. Hey, he can't be any worse than some of the flops we've seen on TV before(Patrick Wayne, Bonaduce with Starcade, etc.), right?
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'212304\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 05:33 PM\']
On the "upfront" site they have some clips from "The Money List". It seems to give away a lot of money per GSN standards. It looks like it will be pretty good!
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50 grand on GSN? You got to be kidding. I found that clip. And it's a perfect fit for Roggin imho
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'212334\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 10:12 PM\']
What about the host? He seems to catch alot of crap, but, I, for one, will give Fred Roggin a chance. Hey, he can't be any worse than some of the flops we've seen on TV before(Patrick Wayne, Bonaduce with Starcade, etc.), right?
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Bonaduce hosted Starface. A good host actually hosted Starcade (the 2nd host anyway, don't know about the 1st).
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212333\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 07:12 PM\']
Opinion ≠ fact.[/quote]
True, but shiatcanning it after one show indicates that a lot of Nielsen families agree with that opinion.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212343\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 11:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212333\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 07:12 PM\']
Opinion ≠ fact.[/quote]
True, but shiatcanning it after one show indicates that a lot of Nielsen families agree with that opinion.
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Could have been a sign that Fox pretty much had their mind made up before the show even aired also.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'212323\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 09:02 PM\']
This is the first I've heard of a "Jackpot" time slot.
[/quote]Me, too. They must really believe in that slot, because that's where they've stuck their Originals. They used to have the same feeling towards 10PM-12AM. I remember WinTuition used to air in primetime. Lingo did, too, for a season. For the most part, I don't remember the Originals airing from 8-10.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'212353\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 12:58 AM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'212323\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 09:02 PM\']
This is the first I've heard of a "Jackpot" time slot.
[/quote]Me, too. They must really believe in that slot, because that's where they've stuck their Originals. They used to have the same feeling towards 10PM-12AM. I remember WinTuition used to air in primetime. Lingo did, too, for a season. For the most part, I don't remember the Originals airing from 8-10.
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IIRC, Wintuition started out at 8:30.
For a while it was "Whammy" at 10, "Friend or Foe" at 10:30, then "Russian Roulette" at 11. I believe "Lingo" started in the 7:00 hour.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212343\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 10:32 PM\']True, but shiatcanning it after one show indicates that a lot of Nielsen families agree with that opinion.[/quote]Considering FOX doesn't seem to give much of anything a chance to grow, I don't know if that's the argument I'd use.
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Some interesting GSN developments here. Where to start:
DoND & 1 vs 100 will obviously be the biggest acquisitions if it is true. The 1st season will most likely be where to start.
Brainteaser sounds like something Ken Jennings might host(I'll get back to him in a little bit).
Bunco sounds interesting & 20Q has some potential. We'll see what comes out of them.
Instant Recall is a bit like Oblivious only more serious.
Wake-Up Call sounds like something that would be set up at a hotel or motel.
A show where winning a Hollywood makeover is something only Danny Bonaduce would host. His Starface hosting should be enough of a prerequisite.
As for a reality game show host show, Ken Jennings should be there. He may not have any hosting under his belt as far as actual series go, but it would be amusing just to see him in there.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'212357\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 02:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212343\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 10:32 PM\']True, but shiatcanning it after one show indicates that a lot of Nielsen families agree with that opinion.[/quote]Considering FOX doesn't seem to give much of anything a chance to grow, I don't know if that's the argument I'd use.
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Wasn't the big bundle of $$$ they awarded during future tapings (which wouldn't have to be paid out if the shows weren't televised) a factor in the program's swift removal from the schedule? Or was that simply a theory someone put out there?
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'212361\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 03:24 AM\']
Some interesting GSN developments here. Where to start:
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Can any armchair psychologists out there explain to me why it is that I still hit unignore every time I see this kid post something? I know it's going to be garbage, and yet, I still hit read post. Why?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'212371\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 10:02 AM\']
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'212361\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 03:24 AM\']
Some interesting GSN developments here. Where to start:
(collage of garbage snipped)
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Can any armchair psychologists out there explain to me why it is that I still hit unignore every time I see this kid post something? I know it's going to be garbage, and yet, I still hit read post. Why?
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Yes. It's the gawking-at-the-car-accident syndrome.
And because we know he's not going to SWAK! anybody.
That'll be 5 cents for the house call.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'212365\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 08:20 AM\']Wasn't the big bundle of $$$ they awarded during future tapings (which wouldn't have to be paid out if the shows weren't televised) a factor in the program's swift removal from the schedule? Or was that simply a theory someone put out there?[/quote]
Mostly the latter, since that's not the sort of thing that's going to turn up in an official FOX press release.
I'm really not sure what to think of The Rich List. On the one hand, it is a Q&A which (for the most part, from what we've seen) requires actual knowledge about factual things rather than guessing about popular answers the way Family Feud does and the way Greed did far too often. If you're watching at home, you're shouting answers at the screen, and that's always a good thing.
On the other hand, there's just not that much game there. It's like Hot Potato with all the good stuff taken out, and how much good stuff was there in Hot Potato to begin with? And frankly, from what I've seen, the questions (I'm sorry, "lists") are generally far too easy for, say, a Jeopardy-caliber player. (Name fifteen vice presidents to win the top prize? Really? With no clock?) That makes me think that they're casting, Fifth Grader style, to avoid having good players play their game. I'm always going to have a problem with that.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'212374\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 10:48 AM\']
It's like Hot Potato with all the good stuff taken out, and how much good stuff was there in Hot Potato to begin with?
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The three-of-a-kind element was pretty neat. Plus, there was the theme music that made me laugh and OF COURSE! Bill Cullen. But, yes, your point is well taken. The lack of a clock is a puzzler for me as well.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'212357\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 02:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212343\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 10:32 PM\']True, but shiatcanning it after one show indicates that a lot of Nielsen families agree with that opinion.[/quote]Considering FOX doesn't seem to give much of anything a chance to grow, I don't know if that's the argument I'd use.
[/quote]Didn't somebody post a clip of the horse race scene on Family Guy where all the horses were named after failed FOX series, many of which didn't get 10 episodes? It tells me that the programming department there is either comically impatient or riddled with ADD. And they put The Rich List's premiere against ABC's Lost and CBS's Criminal Minds, two strong shows. Lost had two years to establish its audience, and CM had made the Top 30 in its first season and has kept going up. Besides, I would have thought that all a show on Wednesdays at 9 had to do was make it past Christmas, when Mama Idol Results Show would take care of things.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'212395\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 02:11 PM\']
when Mama Idol Results Show would take care of things.[/quote]
I honestly don't remember for sure, but wasn't the Mama Idol Results Show the lead-in, and it STILL got cornholed in the ratings?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212396\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 05:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'212395\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 02:11 PM\']
when Mama Idol Results Show would take care of things.[/quote]
I honestly don't remember for sure, but wasn't the Mama Idol Results Show the lead-in, and it STILL got cornholed in the ratings?
[/quote]Rich List aired November 1, 2006. Idol doesn't start until the following January, so Season Six didn't start airing until January 16, 2007. Granted, TRL's actual lead-in (Bones) has grown to be a solid show in and of itself, but when Rich List debuted, it was only ranked 50th in audience.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'212395\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 05:11 PM\']Didn't somebody post a clip of the horse race scene on Family Guy where all the horses were named after failed FOX series, many of which didn't get 10 episodes?[/quote]
It was the first minute of the first Family Guy when it returned in 2005. Hulu has you covered (http://\"http://www.hulu.com/watch/41275/family-guy-canceled#x-4,vclip,32\").
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'212400\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 06:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'212395\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 05:11 PM\']Didn't somebody post a clip of the horse race scene on Family Guy where all the horses were named after failed FOX series, many of which didn't get 10 episodes?[/quote]
It was the first minute of the first Family Guy when it returned in 2005. Hulu has you covered (http://\"http://www.hulu.com/watch/41275/family-guy-canceled#x-4,vclip,32\").
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There's this clip, and the horse race scene being referenced was from a newer episode first run a few weeks back, and it includes some newer FOX "bombs" (ex: Back To You, Til Death, etc.)
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'212399\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 05:54 PM\']
Rich List aired November 1, 2006.
[/quote]It was heavily promoted during the 2006 World Series. And by heavily there were times I thought I was watching a FOX infomercial with elements of baseball thrown in.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'212405\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 05:57 PM\']
It was heavily promoted during the 2006 World Series. [/quote]its not like people watched baseball in 2006 (http://\"http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/15449509/\").
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'212401\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 06:20 PM\']
There's this clip, and the horse race scene being referenced was from a newer episode first run a few weeks back, and it includes some newer FOX "bombs" (ex: Back To You, Til Death, etc.)
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I know what you're talking about. The announcer ended with "Still limping around is 'Til Death", or something like that. Clever gag. I believe it was the "Family Gay" episode.
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Sadly, I think this horse (http://\"http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/dale_grass/horsepeter.jpg\") is more attractive than Sarah Jessica Parker.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'212357\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 02:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212343\' date=\'Apr 6 2009, 10:32 PM\']True, but shiatcanning it after one show indicates that a lot of Nielsen families agree with that opinion.[/quote]Considering FOX doesn't seem to give much of anything a chance to grow, I don't know if that's the argument I'd use.
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You and I don't agree on a lot of things, but you got this right 100%. Maybe a week of shows at 8pm(like DOND and Regis Millionaire did for their first shows) would be a better ratings indicator. What was on again "Rich List" that night anyhow? I want to say it might have been against "Shatner Money", but I could be wrong. Something tells me this was probably up against DOND imho.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'212406\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 07:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'212405\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 05:57 PM\']
It was heavily promoted during the 2006 World Series. [/quote]its not like people watched baseball in 2006 (http://\"http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/15449509/\").
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Hey, that ties in with this, send Fred Roggin that page, I'm sure he'd enjoy it, being a NBC Universal employee, like ya know(KNBC)
/Gsn Live is playing a new came called Triple Play
//Baseball type, not TPIR type
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Marc Berman's ratings archive goes back JUST far enough to recap the 9 PM 18-49 rating for that night:
Lost (ABC) - 6.6 (wow, those were the days)
Criminal Minds (CBS) - 4.9
Biggest Loser (NBC) - 3.3
Rich List (FOX) - 1.5
One Tree Hill (CW, R) - 1.1
lead-in Bones had a 2.7.
/A 1.5 still isn't good today, but it might get you 13 eps
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Well folks, I'll be damned that GSN doesn't like us finding things, the upfront site now requires a password. As in "working in the industry", and if you dont have one, you have to contact some big whig to get one.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'213870\' date=\'Apr 23 2009, 09:08 PM\'] you have to contact some big whig to get one.[/quote]
You mean like Zachary Taylor?
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'212532\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 09:26 AM\']
Sadly, I think this horse (http://\"http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/dale_grass/horsepeter.jpg\") is more attractive than Sarah Jessica Parker.
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Usually, what you would do in this situation is post a picture of something other than Sarah Jessica Parker. ;)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'213910\' date=\'Apr 24 2009, 08:52 AM\']
[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'213870\' date=\'Apr 23 2009, 09:08 PM\'] you have to contact some big whig to get one.[/quote]
You mean like Zachary Taylor?[/quote]Winnar.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'213959\' date=\'Apr 24 2009, 02:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'213910\' date=\'Apr 24 2009, 08:52 AM\']
You mean like Zachary Taylor?[/quote]Winnar.[/quote]
Took me...okay, I didn't get it at all the first time.
The light dawned now. Winnar indeed.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'213959\' date=\'Apr 24 2009, 02:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'213910\' date=\'Apr 24 2009, 08:52 AM\']
You mean like Zachary Taylor?
Winnar.[/quote]
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Call me crazy...but it just didn't do it for me. But I definitely give the A for effort. Obscurity is always fun. :)
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'213985\' date=\'Apr 24 2009, 09:37 PM\']
Call me crazy[/quote]
You're crazy.
/Oh, thought you were Dan Sadro for a minute. :)