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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: wdm1219inpenna on March 22, 2009, 05:58:56 PM
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Since the daytime budget seems to be in "disaster" mode, and since virtually nobody seems to be watching daytime game shows anymore, as evidenced by their practical extinction, why not have a once a week Price is Right hour long episode and call it "Price is Right Primetime" instead? Nicer cars could be offered, perhaps more time alloted to the show so better games could be played, actual sponsors and quality plugs for the small prize and grocery item games again, etc. I'd put it on once a week at 8pm EST. 7pmEST would put it up against the likes of Wheel of Fortune & Jeopardy, so I think that would be a mistake. Have Price is Right for primetime, once a week only, two halves still, showcase showdown rules same as the MDS, $5,000 for the dollar, $25,000 for a bonus spin green wedge, $50,000 bonus spin for the $1.00. More fabulous showcases again, and since it's higher stakes, allow a $500 range to win both showcases. I know I'd watch. About the only sitcom or primetime show I bother watching right now is "Big Bang Theory".
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I think the only reason the budget seems a "disaster" is in the proliferation of unsponsored prizes. Almost every trip now has something added to it on top of hotel and airfare, and a lot of the time, it's not sponsored. Some of the new-to-the-show trip locations are entirely unsponsored. The big culprit seems to be the daily appearance (sometimes more than once in a show) of the infamous designer items. Coupled with the "cool" prizes added to the rotation in a similar vain (Dre Headphones, $6,000 Toilet, various small prizes, etc.) and you're looking at a lot of merchandise going out at cost.
Are you suggesting a nighttime version INSTEAD of a daytime version? Because the daytime version is still profitable despite the drop in ratings, as far as I know. I personally wouldn't mind some form of nighttime show, however. Once a week isn't bad, but preferably, just keep doing Millionaire-in-99-esque weeks-long shifts of specials as CBS needs them.
-Jason
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I'll keep this short: no.
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Believe it or not, I've been thinking of just this idea recently. This once-a-week primetime show would replace the daytime version entirely. It just might work, but I would be pretty sad to see the last vestige of the network daytime game show era go away.
I'd just call it "The Price is Right", no gimmicks or special names needed. The prizes would be in between the current daytime version and the Million Dollar Spectaculars. One Bids would be worth $1,000 to $4,000, cars would be worth $20,000 to $50,000 (with the occasional $100K car on Golden Road), the various cash bonuses would be increased a bit, and the Showcases would be worth $25,000 to $70,000.
Even with the increased prize values, the overall prize budget would be substantially less as a once-a-week show, compared to a five-day-a-week show. Also, there are fewer commercials in primetime than in daytime, so the show wouldn't be as rushed as it is now. But there is a bit of a problem: you'd have to eliminate quite a few pricing games in order to prevent some games from showing up only once or twice a year, and I'd hate for that to happen.
The only night that might work for this is Saturday, where there's very little competition.
Is this an idea that I should have kept to myself?
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[quote name=\'wdm1219inpenna\' post=\'210981\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 02:58 PM\']Since the daytime budget seems to be in "disaster" mode, [/quote] I see no evidence that this is the case.
and since virtually nobody seems to be watching daytime game shows anymore, as evidenced by their practical extinction,
"virtually nobody" (your words, not mine) is watching daytime game shows anymore is because They Don't Exist. I don't know what Family Feud and TP:AP are getting, but my guess is that Price is scoring higher numbers. And the daytime games don't exist because there's just no place for them on the schedule. It's not because TPIR has had a drop in quality (whether you believe that to be the case or not)
so better games could be played,
What are the "worse games being played"?
actual sponsors and quality plugs
I don't think this is going to change if you paint the floor back, put squares on the doors and hang bunting from the ceilings. Either the sponsors are there, or they aren't. The mid-road answer is that the show wants more money than the sponsors are willing to pay.
The only thing I can think of that would be improved is the length of time allowed per episode, but that was true of the Spectacular episodes, so that's a wash. I'd like to see the Nighttime Price is Right myself. I think it could easily be plugged in where a drama or sitcom fails. But I wouldn't do it at the expense of the daily program.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'210985\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 05:48 PM\']Is this an idea that I should have kept to myself?[/quote]
Not necessarily...what you said is a good idea for a nighttime show: more elaborate prizes, a slicker set, and airing once a week. I also agree that it should simply be called "The Price is Right," not "TPIR Salutes the Barker Fanb0iz" or "The Easiest Million Dollars on Television." Just keep it a simple hour of fun standard fare.
My minor gripe comes with the idea of REPLACING the nighttime show with the daytime show. The Daytime Edition is still a hit with fans, ratings be damned.
Speaking of so, there is no one reason why the show has dropped in recent years. Yes, Barker was still an attraction, but the dynamic of TV has changed. This is not the fault of Drew Carey, the producers, the new set elements, or the writers. Re-introducing TPIR to a nighttime audience would be a nice concept; just keep it simple.
The Inquisitive One
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I'll make my reply quick, since I'm pretty sure I've stated it before:
For Drew's salary, CBS's desire for crosspromotion, a lack of alternative programming and an overall desire by all parties to make maximum profit with little investment..... I simply cannot believe that this has not been done yet.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'210983\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 05:34 PM\'] ...Dre Headphones, $6,000 Toilet, various small prizes, etc... [/quote]
Personally, I wouldn't mind having a $6,000 toilet. Where can I order one??
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'210983\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 06:34 PM\']Almost every trip now has something added to it on top of hotel and airfare, and a lot of the time, it's not sponsored. Some of the new-to-the-show trip locations are entirely unsponsored.[/quote]Not only that, but frequently with trips the airfare AND hotel isn't sponsored, which makes for an awkwardly quick plug. That's been happening since before Barker left.
The big culprit seems to be the daily appearance (sometimes more than once in a show) of the infamous designer items. Coupled with the "cool" prizes added to the rotation in a similar vain (Dre Headphones, $6,000 Toilet, various small prizes, etc.) and you're looking at a lot of merchandise going out at cost.
Waitasec. I do remember that the toilet was sponsored by Toto. The whole bathroom was. And there is no way that toilet itself was six grand. I thought the headphones were plugged, as well. As for the SPs, they've taken care of that in part by not playing the non-car non-cash SP games that often.
[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'210985\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 06:48 PM\']The only night that might work for this is Saturday, where there's very little competition.[/quote]It was winning on Friday nights, as I remember. It faltered on Wednesdays against DOND and Idol, though.
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'210987\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 07:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'wdm1219inpenna\' post=\'210981\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 02:58 PM\']Since the daytime budget seems to be in "disaster" mode, [/quote] I see no evidence that this is the case.[/quote]I don't know about "disaster", but as far as I've seen it's standard budget mode outside of the designer/cool stuff. Fewer cars are offered, especially in the Showcases. The cars and cash are won less frequently. Nothing too special.
What are the "worse games being played"?
My guess would be he's talking about quick games like Double Prices, Pick-A-Number, Money Game and That's TOO Much!.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'210997\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 09:06 PM\']
What are the "worse games being played"?
My guess would be he's talking about quick games like Double Prices, Pick-A-Number, Money Game and That's TOO Much!.
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Freeze Frame has also seen a dramatic increase in playings recently.
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When I saw the headphones, they were named by brand and everything, but without an on-screen logo, it was not a sponsored prize. Another example of how the current regime doesn't get the idea of the business model - you don't give out the plug if it's not paid for! Granted, it makes it near impossible to bid on the designer stuff when instead of saying "Gucci bag" you say "this designer handbag is a great addition to your wardrobe." Know the solution? Don't use the unsponsored designer stuff! Don't give the brand unless it's paid for!
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'211001\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 09:35 PM\']
When I saw the headphones, they were named by brand and everything, but without an on-screen logo, it was not a sponsored prize. Another example of how the current regime doesn't get the idea of the business model - you don't give out the plug if it's not paid for! Granted, it makes it near impossible to bid on the designer stuff when instead of saying "Gucci bag" you say "this designer handbag is a great addition to your wardrobe." Know the solution? Don't use the unsponsored designer stuff! Don't give the brand unless it's paid for!
-Jason
[/quote]Well, they're in a bind. They obviously want to offer the designer prizes to attract young females, but there's no way they're going to get the designer companies to pay for placement on a show that play at a time when their customers are (presumably, even in the downturn) at work. So they either TPIR doesn't get the designer stuff and continues to struggle with the demo, or they take a chance and buy the swag themselves and eat the cost. After doing that, there's no point in not mentioning the name, because the name holds all the appeal.
What I don't understand is 1) the high frequency and 2) the way they go about it. Sometimes they give each designer name it's own spot, which is fine by me. But other times (especially when they started) they just throw them all in together as one IUFB or prize in a multi-prize game. Now, when it was a fashion package for Bullseye, it made more sense. But if you have $1200 worth of Jimmy Choo shoes, $1000 from Vera Wang, and $1500 from Dani Black, why not use them separately and mention three names at three times instead three names at one time? Sure, you get the shock value of Drew saying they're worth "THREE THOUSAND seven hundred dollars", but you could have put a couple pairs in a game, which might be lost. Then you could keep mentioning the name until someone wins it.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'210995\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 07:46 PM\']
Personally, I wouldn't mind having a $6,000 toilet. Where can I order one??
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The Pentagon. Or you can just get the seat for $600.
(Couldn't resist.)
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'211007\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 11:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'210995\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 07:46 PM\']
Personally, I wouldn't mind having a $6,000 toilet. Where can I order one??
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The Pentagon. Or you can just get the seat for $600.
(Couldn't resist.)
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Knows where you can get a hammer for $20,000 (http://\"http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes510/IndependenceDay27.jpeg\")
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'210997\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 09:06 PM\']And there is no way that toilet itself was six grand.[/quote]
I can confirm that yes, it was.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'211011\' date=\'Mar 23 2009, 01:54 AM\']
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'210997\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 09:06 PM\']And there is no way that toilet itself was six grand.[/quote]
I can confirm that yes, it was.[/quote]
Having not seen the episode in question, I can only assume that for $6,000, the toilet wipes your butt for you.
/And is most likely this toilet (http://\"http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/03/super_terrific_japanese_thing_toto_washlet.php\")
//This neither increases nor reduces my desire to visit Japan.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'211012\' date=\'Mar 23 2009, 02:44 AM\']
Having not seen the episode in question, I can only assume that for $6,000, the toilet wipes your butt for you.
/And is most likely this toilet (http://\"http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/03/super_terrific_japanese_thing_toto_washlet.php\")
//This neither increases nor reduces my desire to visit Japan.
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To me, it looked more like one of those old Computer Space machines (http://\"http://www.dragonslairfans.com/meeting/retromeet/computerspace1.jpg\")...little bit shorter, dark blue IIRC, with an auto-open lid.
/Is this what game shows have come to?
//Are we discussing the fine details of a toilet?
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'211007\' date=\'Mar 23 2009, 12:14 AM\']
Personally, I wouldn't mind having a $6,000 toilet. Where can I order one??
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Ed McMahon might have one available... (http://\"http://www.xconomy.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/2009/02/picture-3.png\")
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'211012\' date=\'Mar 23 2009, 01:44 AM\']
Having not seen the episode in question, I can only assume that for $6,000, the toilet wipes your butt for you.
/And is most likely this toilet (http://\"http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/03/super_terrific_japanese_thing_toto_washlet.php\")
//This neither increases nor reduces my desire to visit Japan. [/quote]
Nice!! I didn't watch the video, but I sure hope the water is warm...
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211004\' date=\'Mar 22 2009, 10:50 PM\']
Well, they're in a bind. They obviously want to offer the designer prizes to attract young females, but there's no way they're going to get the designer companies to pay for placement on a show that play at a time when their customers are[/quote]
I agree with you about what to do after they've made the decision to go designer - i.e. NOT mentioning the name is silly. But your post contains a lot of good reasons not to do it in the first place. I'm willing to bet at least some of those designers might pay for a spot.
I'll try to keep this short, but as an example, my girlfriend has made me aware of a certain swath of young girls on the internet who are interested in designer makeup. I have since bought her some MAC brand makeup for her birthday. I see it later turn up on the Price is Right. I've never heard of it before, but it apparently has that designer cache if they're using it on the show. I wonder if the company would've been interested in a show placement to get their name out there to the college crowd that undoubtedly watches Price every day. There's a portion of the audience interested, and it's a new avenue for them.
But since the show has already given literally dozens of plugs for free, what's the incentive for a Jimmy Choo to now pay? Thanks to the show, I know who Jimmy Choo is, but they made no money on the deal. If they would've waited to shoot their load, and GO to the companies first, they may not be in this bind. And I'm forgetting too, this season we're hearing a lot of brand names of things just because of some perceived "cool." Why do I care it's a certain brand of wakeboard (like on today's show, 3/23)? Obviously Drew, or somebody at the show, thinks some portion of the audience is going to care. Various video game products have gotten a similar treatment. Somebody at the show is letting the idea of sponsorship go out the window. Thankfully, grocery items have had an upturn I can't recall seeing in years.
-Jason
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There's also the notion that they include the designer because that's integral information to have when estimating the price of the prize, which is the point of the game. You really think Vera Wang is hot to get her stuff on TPIR?
Back in the NBC days, "Wheel of Fortune" offered the Giorgio gift certificates--those weren't fee plugs, right? They did it to seem glamorous. And somehow, they still were successful.
A little glamour on "The Price Is Right" is hardly a bad thing. If only they'd update the set.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'211033\' date=\'Mar 23 2009, 12:04 PM\']
There's also the notion that they include the designer because that's integral information to have when estimating the price of the prize, which is the point of the game. You really think Vera Wang is hot to get her stuff on TPIR?[/quote]
Oh, that's absolutely why it's there. But, as has been topic of complaint here before, often times vital information about a prize isn't relayed. A lot of those $10,000+ showcase trips have hopelessly vague descriptions (especially when unsponsored) that never really get to the heart of why they cost so much. And I know back when Roger was steering the ship, Apple computers would show up without mention of brand. I wonder how much of the vital info on a computer goes unmentioned? It's a lot like pricing a car - two computers can look the same, but if they fail to mention it has feature X, Y and Z, you're off by a lot.
I honestly find the designer stuff neat, but they went real overboard with it, and possibly missed some opportunities at sponsorship. That's all.
-Jason