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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tpirfan28 on September 14, 2008, 09:57:38 AM
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Scroll down a pinch to Switzerland. (http://\"http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Photo-Expedition-LA-Kings-c-mon-down-to-Price-?urn=nhl,106743\") (I'll let you stop for a moment to take a peek at Rachel in the first picture.)
They are now using green screens for the trip skins now.
Discuss ahoy.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'197164\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 09:57 AM\']
They are now using green screens for the trip skins now.
Discuss ahoy.[/quote]
Again: Saves money and time, audience doesn't care.
Next?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'197164\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 09:57 AM\']
They are now using green screens for the trip skins now.
Discuss ahoy.
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In all honesty: What took them so long? It's only a cosmetic change IMO! No big deal!
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I'm surprised they even bothered with a frame and "Switzerland" lettering. Stick a door-sized green screen in there, and let Carey handle the comedy that results from fitting downtown Zurich behind door #2.
/Ryan, how many doors does that prize have again?
//Seventeen, Drew.
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OH NOES CHANGE
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197166\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 10:14 AM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'197164\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 09:57 AM\']
They are now using green screens for the trip skins now.
Discuss ahoy.[/quote]
Again: Saves money and time, audience doesn't care.
Next?
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Several flaws.
Door 3 is green, now requiring the door to open just as the contestant is making their way onto the stage. This ruins any sort of surprise and contestant reaction shots.
Obviously you see nothing in the studio other than the name of the location printed over the screen. I just have a hard time believing that any of the reaction shots will look normal when they cut to a contestant who sees a giant green billboard.
Contestants wearing green can be no longer in front of the screen. (Safe Crackers, Showcases, etc.)
It's my understanding that they are just sort of 'winging it' trying to get around some of these problems. I just very much hope they don't institute a forced reaction shot (retaped or whatever) if it continues to be a problem.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197183\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:11 PM\']OH NOES CHANGE[/quote]
Said, of course, solely to mock Golden-Road and in complete ignorance of whether or not the change even makes sense.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197185\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 12:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197183\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:11 PM\']OH NOES CHANGE[/quote]
Said, of course, solely to mock Golden-Road and in complete ignorance of whether or not the change even makes sense.[/quote]I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference. It certainly won't deter me from watching the show.
Some of you really need to unwad your panties and question whether you should be caring as much as you are. If Rodger was making these changes, would the reaction be the same? Something makes me think its more about that than anything else.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197185\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197183\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:11 PM\']OH NOES CHANGE[/quote]
Said, of course, solely to mock Golden-Road and in complete ignorance of whether or not the change even makes sense.
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You're tilting at windmills.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197188\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:42 PM\']I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference.[/quote]
John just explained quite clearly why it does.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197188\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:42 PM\']It certainly won't deter me from watching the show.[/quote]
Yes it will. Just like every single other aspect of the program, regardless of who was controlling it. You hate everything, Mark; you're not exactly in a position to be giving lectures about this.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197188\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:42 PM\']Some of you really need to unwad your panties and question whether you should be caring as much as you are.[/quote]
I already responded to this in the Barker's Marker$ thread a couple weeks ago. I'm not doing it again.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197188\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:42 PM\']If [Roger] was making these changes, would the reaction be the same?[/quote]
Yes -- but Roger never would have approved something so ridiculous to begin with.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197190\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 12:56 PM\']Yes it will. Just like every single other aspect of the program, regardless of who was controlling it. You hate everything, Mark; you're not exactly in a position to be giving lectures about this.[/quote]Oh, bullshit.
I'm sick and tired of you waving this card every time I say something, be it here, or on Wikipedia. I've done nothing but enjoy the show since Drew took over. Imagine that.
John just explained quite clearly why it does.
What, no surprise reactions? The same comments were made about the Plinko reveal. Again, NBFD.
I already responded to this in the Barker's Marker$ thread a couple weeks ago. I'm not doing it again.
Why, because you know its right?
Yes -- but Roger never would have approved something so ridiculous to begin with.
Somehow, I doubt that people would be complaining as much.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197184\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 10:12 AM\']
Door 3 is green, now requiring the door to open just as the contestant is making their way onto the stage. This ruins any sort of surprise and contestant reaction shots.[/quote]
Why are they keying to the same shade of green as the door?
Why are they staging games that will use the CK board at Door #3?
I just have a hard time believing that any of the reaction shots will look normal when they cut to a contestant who sees a giant green billboard.
As opposed to a mishmash of windmills, chocolate bars, and holy cheese? Really?
Contestants wearing green can be no longer in front of the screen. (Safe Crackers, Showcases, etc.)
Again, I was under the impression that keying technology had improved to the point where this wasn't an issue.
I just very much hope they don't institute a forced reaction shot (retaped or whatever) if it continues to be a problem.
I would *love* to see that. God, if you think some panties are wadded *now*...
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OH MY GOSH!!! THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!! TPIR IS CHANGING!!!!!!
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197193\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:16 PM\']I'm sick and tired of you waving this card every time I say something[/quote]
Then try saying something positive about something at some time other than immediately after I've pointed out your apparent hatred of the entire universe.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197193\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:16 PM\']What, no surprise reactions? The same comments were made about the Plinko reveal. Again, NBFD.[/quote]
That isn't even close to comparable. The problem with the Plinko reveal is that it's terrible on television. The problem with using a green screen for trips is that it's terrible in the studio.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197193\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197190\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 12:56 PM\']I already responded to this in the Barker's Marker$ thread a couple weeks ago. I'm not doing it again.[/quote]Why, because you know its right?[/quote]
Because I shouldn't have to post the damn thing again when it's already there for you to go back and read if you really care to (and frankly, I don't think you do -- you just enjoy taking potshots at the Golden-Road guy).
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197193\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197190\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 12:56 PM\']Yes -- but Roger never would have approved something so ridiculous to begin with.[/quote]Somehow, I doubt that people would be complaining as much.
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You know, if you'd get over your blanket hatred of Golden-Road, you'd realize that we did complain about things that were done under Roger's watch -- there were set changes we didn't care for, rule changes that we didn't all agree with...such things just tended to come up far less frequently than they've been doing since he was fired two months ago.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197195\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:24 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197184\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 10:12 AM\']I just have a hard time believing that any of the reaction shots will look normal when they cut to a contestant who sees a giant green billboard.[/quote]As opposed to a mishmash of windmills, chocolate bars, and holy cheese? Really?[/quote]
A guy chuckling at the goofy picture across the stage is a hell of a better shot than a guy staring blankly at a green wall.
[quote name=\'mparrish11\' post=\'197197\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:41 PM\']OH MY GOSH!!! THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!! TPIR IS CHANGING!!!!!![/quote]
Congratulations. You now sound exactly like Mark Odor.
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Not to get on my high horse or soapbox, but let me just take a moment to remind everyone freaking out that this is simply a television game show. It is not as if we're changing the appearance of the American flag. A simple update in television production that, quite frankly, could have been added fifteen-twenty years ago and has no really horrible impact upon the show is all that is being added.
Just think about that before you go nuts on someone else or go nuts with your "end of the world" mantra.
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The slightest change on TPIR and Gavazzi and ClockGameJohn are instantly turning into Chicken Littles. Again.
Why am I not surprised in the least?
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197198\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 11:57 AM\']
Congratulations. You now sound exactly like Mark Odor.[/quote]
...and a whole lot of other people who are also openly mocking the Chicken Littling that has been stereotypical of the G-R userbase.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197203\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197198\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 11:57 AM\']
Congratulations. You now sound exactly like Mark Odor.[/quote]
...and a whole lot of other people who are also openly mocking the Chicken Littling that has been stereotypical of the G-R userbase.
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This just in to CNN... (http://\"http://lp.typepad.com/lopsided/images/chicken_little.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197202\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 03:18 PM\']
The slightest change on TPIR and Gavazzi and ClockGameJohn are instantly turning into Chicken Littles. Again.
Why am I not surprised in the least?
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I merely pointed out some of the flaws. There is no spilled milk in my kitchen, I assure you.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197195\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197184\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 10:12 AM\']
I just very much hope they don't institute a forced reaction shot (retaped or whatever) if it continues to be a problem.[/quote]
I would *love* to see that. God, if you think some panties are wadded *now*...
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I don't normally watch TPIR, but this is the one part of your post that really perplexes me. Are you simply being a contrarian here? The impression I've gotten is that a lot of the posters here don't like the forced reaction shots and retakes on all the Endemol shows, so I can't imagine why anybody would like it any more on TPIR. I can't help but think there are some folks here would would get happy seeing the right people get their knickers in a twist. (I'll admit, however, that I know there are times over on the TCM boards that I feel like being a contrarian. If you think there's a lot of kvetching here, it could be much worse.)
To be honest, my first impression would also have been to ask about whether contestants wearing green would be a problem regarding the ChromaKey, but I would hope the producers considered that.
My other thought was that if all the audience saw was a green screen, they might have a more muted reaction. But considering how they go nuts over the flats, that probably wouldn't happen. Of course, I also think that a more muted reaction from the audience wouldn't be a bad thing. :-)
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'197208\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 04:16 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197195\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 02:24 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197184\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 10:12 AM\']I just very much hope they don't institute a forced reaction shot (retaped or whatever) if it continues to be a problem.[/quote]I would *love* to see that. God, if you think some panties are wadded *now*...
[/quote]I don't normally watch TPIR, but this is the one part of your post that really perplexes me. Are you simply being a contrarian here?[/quote]
Of course he is. That's all he does in any discussion about Price -- shout down anybody who tries to put forth the prevailing opinion of the Golden-Road crowd without even bothering to consider that it might have some merit. And the same goes for PYLdude and Mark Odor -- there are days I swear that's the only reason they even come here.
And I've gotta be honest -- it bugs the crap out of me. I don't enjoy coming here very much when all I end up doing is explaining the finer points of running a game show to people like Lemon who have freaking worked in broadcasting and by all logic should understand it better than I do.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197207\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 04:06 PM\']I merely pointed out some of the flaws. There is no spilled milk in my kitchen, I assure you.[/quote]
Speaking IN MY ROLE AS A MODERATOR I completely agree with this assessment. John and Steve may, fairly or unfairly, have gotten a reputation around here as TPIR apologists, but all John did was point out some fairly small but very real reasons why using a green screen presents certain production challenges, challenges I frankly hadn't considered.
Far worse in this thread, in my opinion but still IN MY ROLE AS A MODERATOR are the completely unprovoked "OH NOES" AND "OH MY GOSH!!!" and anything else you guys think is funny to write in all caps. And THAT is all that Steve was responding to.
If you have some legitimate criticism or defense of the issue at hand, you are certainly free to express it. But if all you want to do is belittle the opinions of others even before they've had the chance to express them, you will not be doing it here much longer. I have had it with people who think taking cheap shots at TPIR superfans in general is a way to make a point. It is not, as the next person to do it will learn.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'197208\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:16 PM\']
I can't help but think there are some folks here would would get happy seeing the right people get their knickers in a twist.[/quote]
"Happy" is a strong word, but yeah, my comment was illustrating just how tired I am of the TPiR fanb0i contingent shiatting a pickle every time the least little thing changes. To the point where I'm willing to sacrifice the #1 game show on daytime television to express my annoyance.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197210\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:27 PM\']
shout down anybody who tries to put forth the prevailing opinion of the Golden-Road crowd without even bothering to consider that it might have some merit.[/quote]
Well, when I *did* consider it, and posted why I thought the argument *didn't* have merit, all I got was ranted at.
Mind you, I don't care if you want to rant at me, but, you know, intelligent discourse goes two ways.
/"no you didn't blah blah blah"
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TPIR used to use a blue screen for their trips back in the early years before the hour-long extension.
Just sayin'.
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[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'197216\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 04:39 PM\']TPIR used to use a blue screen for their trips back in the early years before the hour-long extension.[/quote]
Does anyone have video of that or know of any shows on the DVD set where it was done? I'd like to see it.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197188\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:42 PM\']
Some of you really need to unwad your panties and question whether you should be caring as much as you are. If Rodger was making these changes, would the reaction be the same? Something makes me think its more about that than anything else.
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Mark, you really hit it on the head. It seems the show is only being scrutinized closer because Roger isn't in charge any more.
But what's up with those hockey players playing the game? We got pseudo-celebrities now? Hmm...
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Would the use of a blue screen he mentions perhaps be similar to those "Salute" showcases, where they pried open the picture of who was being saluted to reveal a green screen? The contestants had a monitor to watch during the Showcases, as did the audience, so this didn't kill the reaction at all.
ClockGameJohn's incredibly apt points aside, I can see where this new way to do trips has its benefits. Not having to manipulate so much huge art and/or create new huge art would save time and money I'm sure. But on face value, this doesn't scream incredibly cheesy to anyone? It was like when they faked in prizes/used a video wall on Billy Bush's LMAD. Part of the thrill is seeing your prize onstage. Even if it's just a huge hunk of plywood that says "FRANCE" with some pictures on it, it's still what you're playing for.
It would be like the players shopping solely from that list on the old Wheel, and inserting shots of the "stores" in post to save studio time. Logically? A safe maneuver, cost effective, and one I don't exactly disagree with. But are people around here so entrenched to NOT dislike a change on TPIR that we turn around and herald the ones that are bad? My view is that it stinks, and takes away from the "old school feel" of the show, but logically speaking it makes sense and won't ruin the show. Surely I can't be the only one who thinks this.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197220\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 04:50 PM\']
[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'197216\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 04:39 PM\']TPIR used to use a blue screen for their trips back in the early years before the hour-long extension.[/quote]
Does anyone have video of that or know of any shows on the DVD set where it was done? I'd like to see it.
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Show 0573D from the DVD has a trip to Scandinavia. Here are a few screenshots:
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http://www.yosuamedia.com/misc/TPiR/TPiRBlue03.jpg (http://\"http://www.yosuamedia.com/misc/TPiR/TPiRBlue03.jpg\")
http://www.yosuamedia.com/misc/TPiR/TPiRBlue04.jpg (http://\"http://www.yosuamedia.com/misc/TPiR/TPiRBlue04.jpg\")
Although the keying isn't that great, it was a nice effect because the blue screen served as a world map (with a marker at the location of the trip) in addition to presenting the art cards with images of the destination. The photos from that hockey-themed showcase show the current green screen to be solid green, so it looks like there it will be used in a more straight-forward manner.
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Why not just use art cards?
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What's wrong with a complete overhaul set, and everything of TPIR? I mean they've already done a 180 by hiring Drew Carey who brings as much excitement to the game as George F. Will. The show looks tired, dated, and needs a complete fresh look. Whether it's a green screen, or computer monitors, or whatever, TPIR needs whatever it can to spruce it up because right now we all wish Barker was still at the helm. Carey is out of place. I'd love to see a new set, new host, and a whole new show, not just a cheesy makeover of Barker's show which almost looks like a send-up of it's former self.
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My only gripe is that this must look fugly in-studio. To a home viewer, it could be used for good effect. A cheaper way to emulate a video wall, perhaps?
/not surprised to see this at five pages, and realizes he probably doesn't want to see their contents
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I wonder too if the skins started to look really bad in HD.
And if the green door #3 is a problem, why can't they swap doors 1 and 3...1 isn't used much anyway, and they have the two primary doors to use the technology for...and it keeps the reveals and games the same way.
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I just don't get it. If the producers want this kind of display-- why not just replace door #1 with a video wall.
In default-mode you could make the wall "look" like the other two doors-- so you don't have radical changes to the venerable set.
Then you could use the video wall to reveal trips, use it for showcase backgrounds, and even use it in some score displays like the showcase showdown, or, heavens, even Lucky Seven. Door #1 is barely used during a typical PRICE because there's not much room behind it.
I think it would add a new dimension to Price-- though it might some heads to 'splode for those who still think cars should be $3,250.
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Not to start a new argument, but I posed a question on an older thread that I wish to ask again (based on all of the posts so far).
If, when Barker retired, and CBS cancelled TPIR only to revive it say two years later with Drew as the host and all of these changes, would any of us be as apoplectic about the changes?
Or would we have accepted it as a "new beginning" for TPIR?
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[quote name=\'Shell\' post=\'197235\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 06:10 PM\']
What's wrong with a complete overhaul set, and everything of TPIR? I mean they've already done a 180 by hiring Drew Carey who brings as much excitement to the game as George F. Will. The show looks tired, dated, and needs a complete fresh look. Whether it's a green screen, or computer monitors, or whatever, TPIR needs whatever it can to spruce it up because right now we all wish Barker was still at the helm. Carey is out of place. I'd love to see a new set, new host, and a whole new show, not just a cheesy makeover of Barker's show which almost looks like a send-up of it's former self.
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You may be in the minority here. There is a growing number that like the fact that the show is making changes that move forward and look backwards...and a host that doesn't make it all about him.
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Staying well away from all the expected back-and-forth.
Dave: I think maybe they had players in Contestants' Row more for picture-taking purposes than anything else. Still, this seems like a very weird theme episode.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197250\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 10:56 PM\']God, Steve, are you completely incapable of hearing dissenting opinion?
I'll answer that: yes. You are.[/quote]
I'd like to point out why this statement hinders your argument, but that's not the topic.
But yes, green screen; good for budget and tv (to a point), bad for studio audience. The tangibility of the art card does detract from the experience (though I have to wonder if they'll just be showing art card-type stills) both on tv and in person, just like how the video-screen bonus games lose points.
As an aside, if Price was so worried about green-on-green, couldn't they just use a blue screen instead?
/Thought he saw a purple screen once.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'197251\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 11:22 PM\']/Thought he saw a purple screen once.
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I'll have what you're having.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197252\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 11:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'197251\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 11:22 PM\']/Thought he saw a purple screen once.
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I'll have what you're having.[/quote]
I figured as much. Must've been my headache talking.
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Not to get into the frey as with other threads of similar ilk, I think the change is good for budgetary purposes & affect, but it'll cause many to reconsuder wearing anything of that shade if it gets to be a production problem. The change may be alright, but it'll come off as bizzare to those attending the show.
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[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'197245\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 08:31 PM\']
If, when Barker retired, and CBS cancelled TPIR only to revive it say two years later with Drew as the host and all of these changes, would any of us be as apoplectic about the changes?
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Considering the audience that Price still pulls, I think two years would still be a recent memory. I remember there being a little fuss when Feud premiered back in 99, with the set and music changes, and it was five years since the more familiar version of Feud* went off the air. So there might be many viewers (both casual and avid) who might wonder just exactly what is going on.
Now, had the show ran for, say, 5 or 6 years, then I wouldn't see any big deal. If Hollywood Squares or Pyramid returned tomorrow with a massive overhaul, I don't think anyone would notice. But 36 years with only moderate set upgrades and mostly the same props? Yeah, someone would notice, and not just in the game show contingent.
*Combs's last season...I know Dawson v2.0 came in the following season, which is why I said "more familiar version".
As for this change, I'm really not bothered. Yeah, I like the traditional artwork, but it's not like the show has never done this. And yes, the Dobkowitz Tribute showcase heavily relied on a chromakey, as did that showcase with Johnny Olson as a superhero.
/What, you think they bought all those fireworks themselves?
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[quote name=\'MYosua\' post=\'197232\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 05:54 PM\']Although the keying isn't that great, it was a nice effect because the blue screen served as a world map (with a marker at the location of the trip) in addition to presenting the art cards with images of the destination. The photos from that hockey-themed showcase show the current green screen to be solid green, so it looks like there it will be used in a more straight-forward manner.[/quote]
Yeah...that's a pretty neat effect with the blue screen, but not at all comparable to what's being done today. Actually, I'd say the '70s version is a much better idea.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197268\' date=\'Sep 15 2008, 01:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'MYosua\' post=\'197232\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 05:54 PM\']Although the keying isn't that great, it was a nice effect because the blue screen served as a world map (with a marker at the location of the trip) in addition to presenting the art cards with images of the destination. The photos from that hockey-themed showcase show the current green screen to be solid green, so it looks like there it will be used in a more straight-forward manner.[/quote]
Yeah...that's a pretty neat effect with the blue screen, but not at all comparable to what's being done today. Actually, I'd say the '70s version is a much better idea.
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I liked it too when I saw it on the DVDs. It provides something to see in studio (and on camera when the footage isn't being keyed in) while still allowing for the chroma-key effects. It has to be more visually appealing for those in the studio than a plain green screen.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197268\' date=\'Sep 15 2008, 01:29 PM\']Yeah...that's a pretty neat effect with the blue screen, but not at all comparable to what's being done today. Actually, I'd say the '70s version is a much better idea.[/quote]
I agree, at least from the pictures, because in the 70s version, at least the chroma wall was something when it wasn't being keyed onto. It reminds me a little of the green-on-green panel on the Sports Challenge set, which got keyed out when they started one of their film clips.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197270\' date=\'Sep 15 2008, 12:40 PM\']
I agree, at least from the pictures, because in the 70s version, at least the chroma wall was something when it wasn't being keyed onto. It reminds me a little of the green-on-green panel on the Sports Challenge set, which got keyed out when they started one of their film clips.
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That was the panel next to Enberg, right? If I remember right, each team of players had a screen behind them that would have either a slide with the team logo or chroma-key color.
Which brings up this. . . are there screens big enough and do projectors work in such a way that they could do this on TPIR? I mean short of a video wall, something they could move in and out or raise and lower.
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Wow, where to begin...
I'll keep this brief. I don't agree with the green screen as described and demonstrated because I think it will be problematic for the showcases and contestants/friends during the end credits. There is not a way that looks good to move along with it, it needs to be a static shot, which is hard when you have 20 college kids celebrating with their winning friend in front of a green screen. I do like the 70s way, because there was SOMETHING to look at during credits/wins without having to use the keying effect. That seems to me like a much better option.
Second, as far as the technology, lest we forget that Wheel for many years now has been using a video wall behind the contestants with running video all show. It looks good and works well. However, for something like the trip backdrops, which are either flown in or wheeled off numerous times a day sometimes, the technology of that kind of system (which is actually a projector on WOF, not TV screens brought together) would be extremely costly and is likely why they did not go that route.
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[quote name=\'Shell\' post=\'197235\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 05:10 PM\']
TPIR needs whatever it can to spruce it up because right now we all wish Barker was still at the helm.[/quote]Just a hint...blanket statements usually don't work too well here...there are many who are happy that Barker is gone.
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[quote name=\'Shell\' post=\'197279\' date=\'Sep 15 2008, 03:05 PM\']TPIR needs whatever it can to spruce it up because right now we all wish Barker was still at the helm.[/quote]
Just like we all wanted Rich Fields to host TPIR?
/"DROOOOOOOOOOO CAREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
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It's "Drew's New Green Screen Show"!
Later on they'll draw in a dishwasher trying to devour Brandi.
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I can't remember if this has been mentioned yet in the thousands and thousands of pages on TPiR, but the daytime show is officially in HD starting with the season premiere next Monday. The press release follows; there are a few things vaguely "spoilerish", but I don't think it's anything that hasn't been mentioned here already...
CBS'S "THE PRICE IS RIGHT," TELEVISION'S LONGEST-RUNNING GAME SHOW, WITH HOST DREW CAREY, TO HAVE 37TH SEASON PREMIERE
ON MONDAY, SEPT. 22
Show To Be Aired in HD For the First Time In Daytime
CBS's THE PRICE IS RIGHT, television's longest-running game show, with host Drew Carey, will have its 37th season premiere Monday, Sept. 22 (11:00 AM-12:00 Noon, ET; 10:00-11:00 AM, PT), on the CBS Television Network.
The new season will find some of Price's classic games updated and more money to be won, as well as a brand-new game added to the lineup. In addition, the set has been given a fresher look, and for the first time in daytime, the show will be aired in HD.
This season is the first time the money in the daytime bonus spin on The Wheel has increased since the bonus spin was introduced nearly 30 years ago. After first hitting $1 on the Wheel (and winning $1,000), the contestant can win $25,000 (up from $10,000) on a bonus spin if he lands on the $1 spot again. And if he lands on one of the green spaces instead of the $1 spot during the bonus spin, he could win $10,000 (up from $5,000).
In addition to the bonus spin increases, classic THE PRICE IS RIGHT games "Punch-a-Bunch" and "Check Game" are updated with bigger prizes to give away.
The new game, called "Gas Money," will makes its debut in the season premiere. To win a car and up to $10,000, the contestant must guess the actual retail price of the car from among five potential prices, with the chance to accumulate cash along the way.
THE PRICE IS RIGHT, the longest-running game show in television history, is hosted by Drew Carey. Produced by FremantleMedia North America, THE PRICE IS RIGHT is broadcast weekdays (11:00 AM-12:00 Noon, ET; 10:00-11:00 AM, PT) on the CBS Television Network.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'197251\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 11:22 PM\']
As an aside, if Price was so worried about green-on-green, couldn't they just use a blue screen instead?[/quote]
Aren't blue clothes a little more prevalent than green? But anyway, whatever color they use, there's gonna be an issue.
/Thought he saw a purple screen once.
That was a purple cow.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197188\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 01:42 PM\']I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference. It certainly won't deter me from watching the show.[/quote]
Agreed. As long as TPIR sticks to its basic format of six pricing games, two wheel spins, one showcase, and a set that looks better than the pastel vomit in the latter-day Bob era, I can't complain too much.
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Add me to the list of not really getting why this is any sort of big deal. Even though contestant sees a green screen instead of a collage skin, contestant still hears the destination, how long the trip is, etc, and only reacts to that, not what is seen on the skin/green screen. A green screen in place of a skin does not change a reaction that's more auditory than anything.
So the audience won't see a collage related to the destination anymore. Boo-frickin'-hoo. They'll listen to Rich same as the contestant. The home audience's experience with the trip prize announcement will not change at all.
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[quote name=\'WhammyGuy28\' post=\'197408\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 12:56 AM\']
Add me to the list of not really getting why this is any sort of big deal. Even though contestant sees a green screen instead of a collage skin, contestant still hears the destination, how long the trip is, etc, and only reacts to that, not what is seen on the skin/green screen. A green screen in place of a skin does not change a reaction that's more auditory than anything.
So the audience won't see a collage related to the destination anymore. Boo-frickin'-hoo. They'll listen to Rich same as the contestant. The home audience's experience with the trip prize announcement will not change at all.
[/quote]
That's about as well put as I've seen it put.
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[quote name=\'WhammyGuy28\' post=\'197408\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:56 AM\']Add me to the list of not really getting why this is any sort of big deal. Even though contestant sees a green screen instead of a collage skin, contestant still hears the destination, how long the trip is, etc, and only reacts to that, not what is seen on the skin/green screen.[/quote]
You seriously don't expect anybody's reaction to be, "Why the hell are they showing me a green wall?"
And you seriously don't get the problems with trying to shoot a green screen that's concealed behind an almost entirely green door?
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I don't agree with the green screen as described and demonstrated because I think it will be problematic for the showcases and contestants/friends during the end credits. There is not a way that looks good to move along with it, it needs to be a static shot, which is hard when you have 20 college kids celebrating with their winning friend in front of a green screen.
Not to worry. Bart has it all figured out.
This comes from the same mind that brought us the ever-popular Hollywood mural.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197414\' date=\'Sep 16 2008, 11:31 PM\']
You seriously don't expect anybody's reaction to be, "Why the hell are they showing me a green wall?"[/quote]
No. I don't.
And you seriously don't get the problems with trying to shoot a green screen that's concealed behind an almost entirely green door?
In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I am forced to conclude that they tested whatever technology they decided to use prior to deciding it should be used at a live taping.
If it does end up being an issue, I'll happily eat my words.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197414\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:31 AM\']
You seriously don't expect anybody's reaction to be, "Why the hell are they showing me a green wall?"
And you seriously don't get the problems with trying to shoot a green screen that's concealed behind an almost entirely green door?
[/quote]
1) If it were me on the show and I got lucky enough to make it onstage to play a pricing game to win a trip to Where-The-Hell-Ever, the LAST thing on my mind would be, "OMG, is this show really that budget-conscious that they can't even paint a picture of the place I'm gonna go? Laaaaaame....". After I go bonkers (pun intended, sue me) over the fact that I could be winning a trip, the next thing I'm gonna focus on is the game I gotta win to get there and the best strategy to do so. Minus the strategy part, I guarantee you every last contestant is thinking the same thing.
And even if the fact that there's a green screen instead of a mural DOES enter their head, I bet their thought would be "Huh, a green screen. All this time I thought it was artwork. Oh well, that's television I guess". I mean, really. You're a contestant on a game show. Even if you were on a show with a set as ugly and dysfunctional as "Face the Music", would you really let the show's production values cloud the fact that you're on TV AND have the chance to win free* stuff, an opportunity that the majority of folks in this world will NEVER get?
2) EDIT: Chris L. beat me to the punch and said what I had just typed. Damn me and my slow typing fingers. :-) However, I will add this:
Let's say you're right and the green screen/green door theory turned out to be a problem. Worse case scenario is that they'll cut to a shot of the big door after it opens to show the trip. What that means for the folks at home is a one-second delay between "What do we have for Ernie today, Rich?" and them actually showing what it is they have for Ernie, which is something that only us game show heads would take notice to, and about 50%^ of us wouldn't even care or would eventually get over it.
*Taxes on prizes, so they're not technically free blah, blah, blah...
^[Jim Perry]Is the actual number higher or lower?[/JP]
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[quote name=\'WhammyGuy28\' post=\'197408\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:56 AM\']
Add me to the list of not really getting why this is any sort of big deal. Even though contestant sees a green screen instead of a collage skin, contestant still hears the destination, how long the trip is, etc, and only reacts to that, not what is seen on the skin/green screen. A green screen in place of a skin does not change a reaction that's more auditory than anything.
So the audience won't see a collage related to the destination anymore. Boo-frickin'-hoo. They'll listen to Rich same as the contestant. The home audience's experience with the trip prize announcement will not change at all.
[/quote]
You've:
A. Never been to the studio.
B. Never been a contestant.
C. All of the above.
I guess I can't explain it without making it complicated, but I will say that there are many, many, many times where it is completely impossible to hear any sort of prize description while in the studio. Additionally, one of the issues is that they are prematurely revealing the prize due to some issues with the green screen. This causes some problems with genuine contestant reactions; green screen or trip skin.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197427\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:08 AM\']
You've:
A. Never been to the studio.
B. Never been a contestant.
C. All of the above.
I guess I can't explain it without making it complicated, but I will say that there are many, many, many times where it is completely impossible to hear any sort of prize description while in the studio.[/quote]
The correct response is D) Been to the studio plenty of times.
Prize copies yes, product descriptions/plugs yes, but the intial prize reveal line? The contestant is able to hear that at least. And with trips, someone's usually encouraging the audience to get louder since it's not one of the bigger prizes. Even with big prizes, sometimes contestants can't hear what kind of car it is, but do know it's a car first because they could hear Rich saying "IT'S A NEW CAr!" as the door opens, before the studio audience goes nuts in response to hearing/seeing the same thing.
If you really want to get into the anatomy of a reaction, we can, but my larger point was that even without the visual artwork, hearing the same reveal line plus a green screen instead of a skin will at worst merely create the kind of "Huh, I've always seen artwork at this point. Guess this is how they really do it in the studio." reaction that ^^ shared with the class, and otherwise change nothing.
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\']Additionally, one of the issues is that they are prematurely revealing the prize due to some issues with the green screen. This causes some problems with genuine contestant reactions; green screen or trip skin.
[/quote]
With this, the issue of skin vs. green screen is irrelevant, which is why I did not initially touch on it since it's not what's being discussed. Premature prize reveals for any reason is a bit lame, but no production is ever perfect, nor does the occassional hiccup ruin any show just because of that reason.
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[quote name=\'WhammyGuy28\' post=\'197436\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 12:05 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197427\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:08 AM\']I guess I can't explain it without making it complicated, but I will say that there are many, many, many times where it is completely impossible to hear any sort of prize description while in the studio.[/quote]Even with big prizes, sometimes contestants can't hear what kind of car it is, but do know it's a car first because they could hear Rich saying "IT'S A NEW CAr!" as the door opens, before the studio audience goes nuts in response to hearing/seeing the same thing.[/quote]
Not at all the point. From the standpoint of the home viewer, it's more exciting to see the doors open on a car than it is to just cut to a car.
[quote name=\'WhammyGuy28\' post=\'197436\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 12:05 PM\']If you really want to get into the anatomy of a reaction, we can, but my larger point was that even without the visual artwork, hearing the same reveal line plus a green screen instead of a skin will at worst merely create the kind of "Huh, I've always seen artwork at this point. Guess this is how they really do it in the studio." reaction that ^^ shared with the class, and otherwise change nothing.[/quote]
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I would like to get into that. What the contestant is used to seeing on TV -- if he even remembers the trip skins -- is irrelvent. What matters -- and what I think you're trying to dance around -- is that he is indeed now being asked to get excited over a green wall, which he will be looking at before they even announce what the prize is and will be wondering why it's there. That's going to lead to less excited reactions, which in turn is going to lead to less excited home audiences -- because if the contestant isn't excited, why should the viewers be?
[quote name=\'WhammyGuy28\' post=\'197436\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 12:05 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197427\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:08 AM\']Additionally, one of the issues is that they are prematurely revealing the prize due to some issues with the green screen. This causes some problems with genuine contestant reactions; green screen or trip skin.[/quote]With this, the issue of skin vs. green screen is irrelevant, which is why I did not initially touch on it since it's not what's being discussed. Premature prize reveals for any reason is a bit lame...[/quote]
It's not irrelevant at all. The green screen is the entire reason for the premature reveals. If they go back to the actual trip skins, then they don't have to do it that way.
It's really depressing to see how little some of the people on this site understand the intricacies of this show.
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Unbelievable.
Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.
Real nice.
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Why does this thread still exist? It degenerated into a pissing match about 5 pages ago.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197438\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']It's really depressing to see how little some of the people on this site understand the intricacies of this show.[/quote]
There are more important things that people don't understand the intricacies of. Save your depression for those.
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Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax".
/Not a snark, but sage advice.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'197446\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:44 PM\']Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax".
/Not a snark, but sage advice.[/quote]Exactly. Please allow me to repeat what I said on page one:
Not to get on my high horse or soapbox, but let me just take a moment to remind everyone freaking out that this is simply a television game show. It is not as if we're changing the appearance of the American flag. A simple update in television production that, quite frankly, could have been added fifteen-twenty years ago and has no really horrible impact upon the show is all that is being added.
Just think about that before you go nuts on someone else or go nuts with your "end of the world" mantra. Well, too late for that. =P
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As caffeinated as the contestants are, I'd be surprised if they don't pre-asplode before the doors open or Rich says a word. I'm a little disappointed that the "video wall" turned out to be a green screen, though. At least if it was a video wall, they could have projected something for the contestant to see. I'm still not as worried about the contestant reaction as Gavazzi is.
I just saw part of a 1989 episode on YouTube. The Washington D.C. graphic is the same after all these years. Odd. How much time and effort does it take to make a trip graphic from scratch?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]
Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.
And there have been statements made in some of these threads that I thought were valid rebuttals that I didn't try to refute because I really couldn't. (This is not to say I liked all of them -- but they made sense.) You only have a problem with me because none of those statements came from you.
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I've stayed largely on the sidelines. I will enter this thread by saying the following things:
[list=1]
- Yes, the change they're making is a problem.
- No, the change isn't as big as some think they are.
- John and Steve aren't the "some" in question. They have tried to point out why they think it's a production mistake (which I agree with), but they haven't been doing the "Sky is Falling" routine (which it's not).
- But because they represent the contingent active on both G-R (which admittedly has way too many fanbois) and this forum, they're catching more flack than they deserve.
- There are doubtless some people on both sides of this argument that deserve plenty of flack. Go give them grief instead.
- People are going to naturally be more attached to a show that's been around since before they were born. It's ok, and not as unhealthy if not taken to excess. If Don LaFontaine (RIP) suddently started doing voiceovers for "60 Minutes", I'd think something was rotten in Denmark, too.
- People who believe that something is wrong are going to be passionate about it. Again, it's not unhealthy if not taken to excess.
- OTOH, giving these people a hard time because they're easy targets is unhealthy and displays an acute lack of maturity.
- Agree to disagree, or defend your points with some sense of class -- from a non-admin's perspective, this crap has really gotten out of hand.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197438\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 10:17 AM\']
It's really depressing to see how little some of the people on this site understand the intricacies of this show.[/quote]
It's comments like this that completely invalidate the point of even *trying* to have an intelligent discussion about this.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]
Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.
[/quote]
'There's been plenty. Don't even.
And I have a problem with you because by your refusal to even LISTEN to dissenting opinions, you're acting like a complete and utter condescending jerk, and that's not right.
1. Yes, the change they're making is a problem.
No, it isn't.
No, the change isn't as big as some think they are.
Correct.
John and Steve aren't the "some" in question. They have tried to point out why they think it's a production mistake (which I agree with), but they haven't been doing the "Sky is Falling" routine (which it's not).
a) Well, then who are the "some"?
b) If it isn't "The Sky is Falling", then what the hell is it? They BOTH have taken this debate to ridiculous levels just to satisfy their demanding whims, and that just isn't right.
But because they represent the contingent active on both G-R (which admittedly has way too many fanbois) and this forum, they're catching more flack than they deserve.
I think you'll find that their actions on G-R doesn't have as much to do with their being criticized as their inability to accept other people's opinions. But never let facts get in the way, right?
There are doubtless some people on both sides of this argument that deserve plenty of flack. Go give them grief instead.
The only people who deserve grief here are getting it. Next.
People who believe that something is wrong are going to be passionate about it. Again, it's not unhealthy if not taken to excess.
Yeah, well, Steve and John have taken it way past excess.
OTOH, giving these people a hard time because they're easy targets is unhealthy and displays an acute lack of maturity.
Congratulations on not getting it.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 10:36 AM\']
Unbelievable.
Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.
Real nice.
[/quote]
On this board you can say any dang thing you want within the letter of the Eligibility Requirements.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 11:34 AM\']
OTOH, giving these people a hard time because they're easy targets is unhealthy and displays an acute lack of maturity.
Congratulations on not getting it.[/quote]
Ummmm...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197458\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 11:34 AM\']
OTOH, giving these people a hard time because they're easy targets is unhealthy and displays an acute lack of maturity.
Congratulations on not getting it.[/quote]
Ummmm...
[/quote]
I'm gonna regret this...
point being that it doesn't have as much to do with them being from PIR fan heaven that it does with their opinion that they're right and everyone else should shut up...
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197438\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']It's really depressing to see how little some of the people on this site understand the intricacies of this show.[/quote]
In my continuing effort to try and keep us somewhere in the general area of civility, I will point out that this was an unnecessary cheap shot, and that you're smart enough to know it was when you typed it.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.[/quote]There's been plenty.[/quote]
Yes, and I've already said that I haven't criticized those. I've even told some of those people over AIM that they did indeed have valid points that were getting buried because of the bullheadedness of people like you and Lemon who prefer to shout instead of actually presenting arguments.
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\']And I have a problem with you because by your refusal to even LISTEN to dissenting opinions, you're acting like a complete and utter condescending jerk, and that's not right.[/quote]
This is a FAR better description of you than of me.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197460\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:46 PM\']In my continuing effort to try and keep us somewhere in the general area of civility, I will point out that this was an unnecessary cheap shot, and that you're smart enough to know it was when you typed it.[/quote]
Yeah, it was. It doesn't mean I don't completely believe it.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197461\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.[/quote]There's been plenty.[/quote]
Yes, and I've already said that I haven't criticized those.[/quote]
But you have.
Just because you don't consider something positive doesn't mean that it isn't.
And I always let my dissenters have their piece. I may argue a little more, but I don't instantly dismiss it with a "you're wrong, I'm right, nananana" like you do.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197464\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:49 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197461\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:46 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.[/quote]There's been plenty.[/quote]Yes, and I've already said that I haven't criticized those.[/quote]But you have.[/quote]
And how, pray tell, do you know this when you don't even know which people I'm talking about? Hell, I'll say straight out that Armadillo's assessment of Barker's Marker$ made sense, even though I didn't agree that it was the best way to look at the issue.
If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']
If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.
[/quote]
Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197464\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:49 PM\']And I always let my dissenters have their piece. I may argue a little more, but I don't instantly dismiss it with a "you're wrong, I'm right, nananana" like you do.[/quote]
No, you usually tend to do it with something more along the lines of, "You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing, so you're wrong and overreacting."
EDIT: I present your first post in this very thread (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=16456&view=findpost&p=197202\"), where you did exactly this without bothering to explain at all why we were wrong.
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]
Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]
Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.
[/quote]
I considered what you did to Armadillo flaming.
And you conveniently left out the fact that anyone, REGARDLESS OF POSTING HISTORY, that has disagreed with you on anything related to TPIR changes has tasted the blunt end of the TPIRSteve branding iron.
No, you usually tend to do it with something more along the lines of, "You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing, so you're wrong and overreacting."
Actually, the quoted portion of this particular blurb is all you, buddy.
Here's what it should say.
"You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing and refusing to see that other people don't believe your opinion is either right, valid, or logical, so you're wrong and overreacting."
There. Done.
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Avocado!
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.[/quote]I considered what you did to Armadillo flaming.[/quote]
Well, then you apparently remember that part of the conversation significantly differently than he and I do.
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\']And you conveniently left out the fact that anyone, REGARDLESS OF POSTING HISTORY, that has disagreed with you on anything related to TPIR changes has tasted the blunt end of the TPIRSteve branding iron.[/quote]
Why would their posting history have anything to do with whether they were right or wrong?
(Nevermind that the statement isn't even true.)
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\']No, you usually tend to do it with something more along the lines of, "You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing, so you're wrong and overreacting."[/quote]Actually, the quoted portion of this particular blurb is all you, buddy.[/quote]
...that doesn't even make sense.
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\']Here's what it should say.
"You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing and refusing to see that other people don't believe your opinion is either right, valid, or logical, so you're wrong and overreacting."[/quote]
The way you've written it, that's also a far better description of you than it is of me. At least I take the time to explain why I think other people are looking at things the wrong way -- your tendency is to just blow off anything John or I say with, "Well, it's John/Steve, so they must be wrong."
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Time to turn off the flames, boys. I'm turning off the air conditioning in the Iso Booth.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]
Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.
[/quote]
I considered what you did to Armadillo flaming.
And you conveniently left out the fact that anyone, REGARDLESS OF POSTING HISTORY, that has disagreed with you on anything related to TPIR changes has tasted the blunt end of the TPIRSteve branding iron.
[/quote]
...wait, what? When did I get flamed? I don't remember that at all. I remember making my point, Steve conceding it, and then that whole Steve/everyone else flame war going back to where it was before I made my point to begin with. The whole reason my point was dropped is because it was conceded and therefore no further discussion was to be made on it.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197427\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:08 AM\']
You've:
A. Never been to the studio.
B. Never been a contestant.
C. All of the above.
[/quote]What was the point of this? You guys are "more right" [sic] because you've been there before? Many have technical expertise in the field of broadcasting, many don't. But not being at the studio doesn't make their opinions any less valid.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197488\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 12:31 PM\']What was the point of this? You guys are "more right" [sic] because you've been there before? Many have technical expertise in the field of broadcasting, many don't. But not being at the studio doesn't make their opinions any less valid.[/quote]I believe the point John was making was that if you haven't been there, then you don't know just how apeshiat the atmosphere is inside of that studio.
Which is valid, but also counterable with "and if you haven't seen an actual reaction to the new setup, and you're gonna play the "you haven't been there so you don't know" card, then you can't use how you *think* it will play out as an argument as to why it is bad."
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197493\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:38 PM\']Which is valid, but also counterable with "and if you haven't seen an actual reaction to the new setup, and you're gonna play the "you haven't been there so you don't know" card, then you can't use how you *think* it will play out as an argument as to why it is bad."[/quote]
Very true. I know some people on Golden-Road have been in the studio since this change was made...I wonder if any of them actually caught the contestant reactions on the monitors.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197498\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:12 PM\']
Very true. I know some people on Golden-Road have been in the studio since this change was made...I wonder if any of them actually caught the contestant reactions on the monitors.[/quote]
Me too. And this has been my point all along, and I am encouraged that we're actually finding some common ground on this: Until you see how any of these changes play out in practice, *you can't say they're bad.* I mean, honestly: if the contestant reaction *isn't* altered by the CK board (and it may be, or it may not be; I don't know any more than you do), and it saves the production money and doesn't ruin the look of the show (TO THE VIEWER AT HOME, which is what ultimately matters; I could give a rip what it looks like to the studio audience who quite honestly could use some Valium anyhow), one would say that's a good thing, isn't it?
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...wait, what? When did I get flamed? I don't remember that at all. I remember making my point, Steve conceding it, and then that whole Steve/everyone else flame war going back to where it was before I made my point to begin with. The whole reason my point was dropped is because it was conceded and therefore no further discussion was to be made on it.
Cool it, please.
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if the contestant reaction *isn't* altered by the CK board
Contestant reaction isn't constant, Mr. Lemon. They all react differently.
Why did they get rid of the Plinko sign? They were missing the contestant reactions.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197503\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:38 PM\']
Contestant reaction isn't constant, Mr. Lemon. They all react differently.[/quote]
I'm well aware, thanks, but one of John and Steve's talking points against this was that the reactions would, on average, become noticeably more subdued.
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They could have used chroma-key 36 years ago but didn't for a reason. So could LMAD. They've always wanted contestants to see actual prizes, not pictures of prizes. They figured the show for the contestants and studio audience is just as important as the show on the screen. If you dispute this, go see the Las Vegas show some time.
In the same vein, you don't need a model to show off a trip or a car. You could simply open the doors to a green wall with a picture of Paris or a Buick Riviera keyed in, and no model. I've seen it happen in early shows and you definitely get the feeling there's something missing. You could also eliminate all music and save the show a bundle. Music isn't functional but it sets the atmosphere. Models, music and trip walls add pizzaz.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197511\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:13 PM\']
They could have used chroma-key 36 years ago but didn't for a reason. So could LMAD. They've always wanted contestants to see actual prizes, not pictures of prizes. [/quote]So what do you call the trip skins, then?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197513\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197511\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:13 PM\']
They could have used chroma-key 36 years ago but didn't for a reason. So could LMAD. They've always wanted contestants to see actual prizes, not pictures of prizes. [/quote]So what do you call the trip skins, then?
[/quote]
I think he means if the physical prize (a car/a TV/a sofa) was available, you use that instead of a picture.
Doesn't explain the use of swimming pool skins before, though.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197488\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197427\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:08 AM\']
You've:
A. Never been to the studio.
B. Never been a contestant.
C. All of the above.
[/quote]What was the point of this? You guys are "more right" [sic] because you've been there before? Many have technical expertise in the field of broadcasting, many don't. But not being at the studio doesn't make their opinions any less valid.
[/quote]
My point is pretty simple, and no it's not being "more right" just because I've been there. I was a contestant and vividly recall the experience and how I had absolutely no clue (be it from shock, excitement, or just plain volume) I could not hear a thing that Rod was announcing. It doesn't so much have to do with what the guy sitting next to the announcer in the studio can hear, it's what the contestant can hear or see. They pick 9 people that they like for a reason. It's about those 9 people.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197513\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197511\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:13 PM\']
They could have used chroma-key 36 years ago but didn't for a reason. So could LMAD. They've always wanted contestants to see actual prizes, not pictures of prizes. [/quote]So what do you call the trip skins, then?
[/quote]
You mustn't be serious. Oh, and the green screen has already escalated to more than just trips now.
Eventually, they can just come to my house and chroma key me into the show, saving valuable studio time and costs.
Steve is very right when he understands that there is a formula for what has been successful on this show. I'm just sorry it turns into a "whose dick is bigger" every time there are points raised. That's the point of a discussion forum, right? I read each and every reply here in full, and take each and every persons comments into account. I may realize that someone I don't generally agree with has made a valid point as well.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197515\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:37 PM\']They pick 9 people that they like for a reason. It's about those 9 people.[/quote]Its also about producing a quality program for television. If they think a green screen is best, then that's the decision they've made. While it may suck (I think the art cards are cool), its also not that big of a deal.
Steve is very right when he understands that there is a formula for what has been successful on this show.
Yes. Its 6 IUFBs, 6 pricing games, two showcase showdowns, and a showcase. None of that is changing, is it? If so, the main fabric of the show is still intact.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197202\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 03:18 PM\']
The slightest change on TPIR and Gavazzi and ClockGameJohn are instantly turning into Chicken Littles. Again.
Why am I not surprised in the least?
[/quote]
The sky is falling...it really did. I had 85 mph winds and a whole lot of damage(not to mention no power for 2 damn days on top of that).....that was a helluva lot more important. I needed a reality check without TV to figure out game shows are a hobby, just that, a hobby. Some people should take the hint.
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[quote name=\'Shell\' post=\'197235\' date=\'Sep 14 2008, 06:10 PM\']
What's wrong with a complete overhaul set, and everything of TPIR? I mean they've already done a 180 by hiring Drew Carey who brings as much excitement to the game as George F. Will. The show looks tired, dated, and needs a complete fresh look. Whether it's a green screen, or computer monitors, or whatever, TPIR needs whatever it can to spruce it up because right now we all wish Barker was still at the helm. Carey is out of place. I'd love to see a new set, new host, and a whole new show, not just a cheesy makeover of Barker's show which almost looks like a send-up of it's former self.
[/quote]
That comment will be making them "shiat pickles" without a doubt. You're on thin ice imho.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'197524\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 04:24 PM\']
That comment will be making them "shiat pickles" without a doubt. You're on thin ice imho.[/quote]
Somehow I don't think it's him.
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This is only partially tongue-in-cheek: isn't it possible in this day and age to green screen every single part of the show?
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'197528\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 07:41 PM\']
This is only partially tongue-in-cheek: isn't it possible in this day and age to green screen every single part of the show?
[/quote]
Anybody remember VH1's "My Generation" music game show? Their entire set was virtually one huge green screen. That and what about Family Channel's "Paranoia"? I can only imagine how foolish that set looked in person.
-Doug
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What's wrong with a complete overhaul set, and everything of TPIR?
Wow, what a naive question. This is Fremantle, folks:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292770/ (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292770/\")
Well, not just Fremantle. It's Fremantle ^ S.V.
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'197528\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 07:41 PM\']
This is only partially tongue-in-cheek: isn't it possible in this day and age to green screen every single part of the show?
[/quote]
Sure, it was possible when they began. Remember when they would key in a picture on those Muntz big screen TV's. But it's such an old technology. Why don't they bring back the paper credit roll? If it's a cost problem, maybe they could get Best Buy to exchange a video wall for promotional consideration. Even the small town stores have 'em.
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I'll keep making this point until I'm blue in the face:
Shut off the music, fire the models, paint the set gray, hire some Bingo caller as emcee for $60,000 per year, use pictures of all the prizes. You've saved millions but what kind of show do you have left? Answer: the USSR version.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197513\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197511\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:13 PM\']
They could have used chroma-key 36 years ago but didn't for a reason. So could LMAD. They've always wanted contestants to see actual prizes, not pictures of prizes. [/quote]So what do you call the trip skins, then?
[/quote]
That's not naive, it's just plain dumb. How do you fit the Eiffel tower into studio 33*? Answer: you don't. You use drops and B-roll.
*I shall forever refuse to call it the B-- B----- studio.
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Something else that came to mind:
I know it's not exactly the same, but wasn't the answer board during the 1994-95 season of Feud actually a graphic superimposed onto the digital board, which was what the studio contestants saw?
Again, not totally the same, but I remember sloppy work being done on Feud (revealing the digital board beneath the graphic) that I hope doesn't get duplicated here...
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'197536\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:02 PM\']
I know it's not exactly the same, but wasn't the answer board during the 1994-95 season of Feud actually a graphic superimposed onto the digital board, which was what the studio contestants saw?[/quote]
Yes.
Again, not totally the same, but I remember sloppy work being done on Feud (revealing the digital board beneath the graphic) that I hope doesn't get duplicated here...
The tech wasn't ready for prime time. Look at a football broadcast for an idea of how far keying technology has come.
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[quote name=\'TalkingHeadsFan\' post=\'197530\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 07:49 PM\']
Anybody remember VH1's "My Generation" music game show? Their entire set was virtually one huge green screen.
[/quote]
And it looked completely cheesy on TV, and I don't mean Supermarket Sweep or Wink's Tic Tac Dough Velveeta cheesy.
Either pony up the money for a real set, with backdrops, monitors and desks or don't do the show. The interactive text message shows, fine. An actual game show? No.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197538\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'197536\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 05:02 PM\']
Again, not totally the same, but I remember sloppy work being done on Feud (revealing the digital board beneath the graphic) that I hope doesn't get duplicated here...[/quote]
The tech wasn't ready for prime time. Look at a football broadcast for an idea of how far keying technology has come.
[/quote]
Ironically, I can't stand the amount of keying technology being done on some of the football broadcasts. There's something about it that I find almost physically uncomfortable to watch. One of the networks (I think ESPN) had a down-and-distance indicator keyed on the screen such that it was under one of the offensive linemen, and it was that part of the screen that was irritating my eyes.
By the same token, I can't stand the ChromaKey ads that are in basbeall games now, either. Something about the outline of the batter's body and bat against the green background bothers my eyes. That, and those GD backlit ads along the boards in certain hockey arenas.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197515\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:37 PM\']...whose dick is bigger...[/quote]
Mine. Can we please move on now??
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'197542\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197515\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:37 PM\']...whose dick is bigger...[/quote]
Mine. Can we please move on now??
[/quote]
P*ssing contest is three doors down, gentlemen! D*ck comparison is next to that! Please move along -- nobody here wants to watch. :)
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[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'197544\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'197542\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197515\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:37 PM\']...whose dick is bigger...[/quote]
Mine. Can we please move on now??
[/quote]
P*ssing contest is three doors down, gentlemen! D*ck comparison is next to that! Please move along -- nobody here wants to watch. :)
[/quote]
No doubt, it was a tmi hours ago and didn't need a bump(no TPIR pun intended either)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197535\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:00 PM\']*I shall forever refuse to call it the B-- B----- studio.[/quote]I thought we were allowed to say Big Bitchy?
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'197564\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 10:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'197544\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'197542\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 08:29 PM\'][/quote]
[quote name='ClockGameJohn' post='197515' date='Sep 17 2008, 06:37 PM'
[/quote]
No doubt, it was a tmi hours ago and didn't need a bump (Shecky Greene moment clipped)
[/quote]
And yet, you bumped it. May we know your age, please?
ObTopic: Can't wait for Monday!
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'197567\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 10:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'197564\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 10:07 PM\']No doubt, it was a tmi hours ago and didn't need a bump (Shecky Greene moment clipped)[/quote]
And yet, you bumped it. May we know your age, please?[/quote]
How bout he takes a seat, too? (http://\"http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/chris-hansen.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197515\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:37 PM\']Oh, and the green screen has already escalated to more than just trips now.[/quote]How has this statement flown so far under the radar? What other purposes do you mean? Like the Showcases? IUFB backgrounds? I remember there being scuttlebutt about just having pictures of the motorhomes, cabin cruisers and other bulky items meant behind the doors.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'197611\' date=\'Sep 18 2008, 01:27 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197515\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:37 PM\']Oh, and the green screen has already escalated to more than just trips now.[/quote]How has this statement flown so far under the radar? What other purposes do you mean? Like the Showcases? IUFB backgrounds? I remember there being scuttlebutt about just having pictures of the motorhomes, cabin cruisers and other bulky items meant behind the doors.[/quote]
I'm sure John will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's now being used for prize backdrops.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197613\' date=\'Sep 18 2008, 02:06 PM\']I'm sure John will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's now being used for prize backdrops.[/quote]So does that mean that they can do that "boat floating on water" trick again?
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'197619\' date=\'Sep 18 2008, 03:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197613\' date=\'Sep 18 2008, 02:06 PM\']I'm sure John will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's now being used for prize backdrops.[/quote]So does that mean that they can do that "boat floating on water" trick again?
[/quote]
They did that without the use of a green screen, so it's hardly a benefit now.
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I was there for five of the six shows taped the week of Sept. 15th.
Consider it CONFIRMED what CGJ said.
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197787\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 07:53 PM\']
I was there for five of the six shows taped the week of Sept. 15th.
Consider it CONFIRMED what CGJ said.
[/quote]
Um, which part?
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Which part?
The green screen was used not only as a backdrop to a SC prize, but also a pricing game prize as well.
Don't think I wasn't fully ready to see it used to display a car as well after seeing the above the first two days.
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197787\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 09:53 PM\']
I was there for five of the six shows taped the week of Sept. 15th.
[/quote]
Funny - you were sitting next to us during the first Sunday taping of the season, and you were so embittered by Roger's firing and all the changes that Syd wanted to implement that you swore to us that you were never coming back to another taping.
Reports also have you saying that you were "paying your last respects" to Studio 33 when you went to Drew's first show.
I'm not saying. I'm just saying.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'197813\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 05:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197787\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 09:53 PM\']
I was there for five of the six shows taped the week of Sept. 15th.
[/quote]
Funny - you were sitting next to us during the first Sunday taping of the season, and you were so embittered by Roger's firing and all the changes that Syd wanted to implement that you swore to us that you were never coming back to another taping.
Reports also have you saying that you were "paying your last respects" to Studio 33 when you went to Drew's first show.
I'm not saying. I'm just saying.
[/quote]
High five!
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197812\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 02:29 PM\']
Which part?
The green screen was used not only as a backdrop to a SC prize, but also a pricing game prize as well.[/quote]
Okay, thanks.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'197813\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 05:46 PM\'][quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197787\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 09:53 PM\']I was there for five of the six shows taped the week of Sept. 15th.[/quote]Funny - you were sitting next to us during the first Sunday taping of the season, and you were so embittered by Roger's firing and all the changes that Syd wanted to implement that you swore to us that you were never coming back to another taping.
Reports also have you saying that you were "paying your last respects" to Studio 33 when you went to Drew's first show.
I'm not saying. I'm just saying.[/quote]
In Willy's defense, when he said that, he wasn't expecting to have free airline tickets he didn't know what to do with at the same time his city was partially evacuated for a hurricane.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197821\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 04:58 PM\']
In Willy's defense, when he said that, he wasn't expecting to have free airline tickets he didn't know what to do with at the same time his city was partially evacuated for a hurricane.[/quote]
It's an awfully big country to subject oneself to something one hates so much.
Five times.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197822\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 07:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197821\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 04:58 PM\']
In Willy's defense, when he said that, he wasn't expecting to have free airline tickets he didn't know what to do with at the same time his city was partially evacuated for a hurricane.[/quote]
It's an awfully big country to subject oneself to something one hates so much.
Five times.
[/quote]
And it's not like there's nothing else to do in Los Angeles.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'197813\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 02:46 PM\']
Funny - you were sitting next to us during the first Sunday taping of the season, and you were so embittered by Roger's firing and all the changes that Syd wanted to implement that you swore to us that you were never coming back to another taping.
Reports also have you saying that you were "paying your last respects" to Studio 33 when you went to Drew's first show.
I'm not saying. I'm just saying.
[/quote]
To be blunt -- so what?
And it's not like there's nothing else to do in Los Angeles.
You can listen to me spin stories at Canter's while my matzo ball soup gets cold. I am now a Hollywood Tourist Attraction (that's only if you run out of things to do).
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'197842\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 05:15 AM\']
[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'197813\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 02:46 PM\']
Funny - you were sitting next to us during the first Sunday taping of the season, and you were so embittered by Roger's firing and all the changes that Syd wanted to implement that you swore to us that you were never coming back to another taping.
Reports also have you saying that you were "paying your last respects" to Studio 33 when you went to Drew's first show.
I'm not saying. I'm just saying.
[/quote]
To be blunt -- so what?[/quote]While I don't want to speak for Tim, what I gather from it was that Willy thinks very little of the show, yet he had to be the one to share the news on the board.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197843\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:18 AM\']While I don't want to speak for Tim, what I gather from it was that Willy thinks very little of the show, yet he had to be the one to share the news on the board.
Correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]
Have you considered that perhaps Willy is also considerably more worried about the show than you are?
Just because you don't like the direction something is going doesn't mean you quit keeping tabs on it.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197845\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 08:35 AM\']
Have you considered that perhaps Willy is also considerably more worried about the show than you are?
Just because you don't like the direction something is going doesn't mean you quit keeping tabs on it.[/quote]
Still, this appears to be another episode of Words Have Meanings. (A spinoff of Masters of the Obvious.) If he's really going around (at several different points) saying he's never-ever-ever going to attend another taping, and then he keeps showing up at tapings, I think that's a fair point of ridicule. Much like the celebrities who swore they'd move to Canada if George Bush got elected. Or, for that matter, the senior George Bush saying something like "Read my lips, no new taxes."
If you're going to make a simple, declarative statement to make some grand point, you are going to put yourself in a position to -- at the very least -- be teased when you go back on that statement.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:59 AM\']
If you're going to make a simple, declarative statement to make some grand point, you are going to put yourself in a position to -- at the very least -- be teased when you go back on that statement.
[/quote]
Well said. A similar comparison, in my opinion, is people who make grandiose exits from online forums, only to return again, sometimes mere days later. You can damn well bet they get some ridicule.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'197851\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 01:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:59 AM\']
If you're going to make a simple, declarative statement to make some grand point, you are going to put yourself in a position to -- at the very least -- be teased when you go back on that statement.
[/quote]
Well said. A similar comparison, in my opinion, is people who make grandiose exits from online forums, only to return again, sometimes mere days later. You can damn well bet they get some ridicule.
[/quote]
This offends me. I'm leaving this place forever! Screw you guys, I'm going home!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'197856\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 11:14 AM\']
[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'197851\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 01:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:59 AM\']
If you're going to make a simple, declarative statement to make some grand point, you are going to put yourself in a position to -- at the very least -- be teased when you go back on that statement.
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Well said. A similar comparison, in my opinion, is people who make grandiose exits from online forums, only to return again, sometimes mere days later. You can damn well bet they get some ridicule.
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This offends me. I'm leaving this place forever! Screw you guys, I'm going home!
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I've got $5 on 11:15am Pacific.
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11:07 Pacific. Close enough.
What did I miss?
/Or 11:18 Invision time.
//I can see the future!
///Look out for that table!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:59 AM\']
Still, this appears to be another episode of Words Have Meanings. (A spinoff of Masters of the Obvious.)
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So, Words Have Meanings...is a game of definitions?
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'197861\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 02:59 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:59 AM\']
Still, this appears to be another episode of Words Have Meanings. (A spinoff of Masters of the Obvious.)
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So, Words Have Meanings...is a game of definitions?
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Can anyone care to call Mr. Jim Perry for confirmation?
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'197861\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 02:59 PM\']So, Words Have Meanings...is a game of definitions?[/quote]+5
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'197861\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 11:59 AM\']
So, Words Have Meanings...is a game of definitions?[/quote]
Christ, we were bound to find one *eventually.*
/bravo
//bravissimo
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 09:59 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197845\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 08:35 AM\']Have you considered that perhaps Willy is also considerably more worried about the show than you are?
Just because you don't like the direction something is going doesn't mean you quit keeping tabs on it.[/quote]Still, this appears to be another episode of Words Have Meanings. (A spinoff of Masters of the Obvious.) If he's really going around (at several different points) saying he's never-ever-ever going to attend another taping, and then he keeps showing up at tapings, I think that's a fair point of ridicule. Much like the celebrities who swore they'd move to Canada if George Bush got elected. Or, for that matter, the senior George Bush saying something like "Read my lips, no new taxes."
If you're going to make a simple, declarative statement to make some grand point, you are going to put yourself in a position to -- at the very least -- be teased when you go back on that statement.[/quote]
This is very true. I really do think, though, that when Willy originally said that, he truly had no intention of ever going back. Last week was more along the lines of, "Well, I have no electricity until God knows when, and I've got some free plane tickets...I may as well go out and see how much more they've managed to screw up."
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That does it. I've had enough of this forum.
I'm back.
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The problem, though, is that Willy takes that negativity to the lot with him.
My group and I sat with him for a good half-hour on the first taping of the season, when all the ineligible audience members were weeded out of the line. Every word that came out of his mouth was about how much they'd ruined the show, how the staff doesn't enjoy working there anymore, how the Sunday tape dates were a sign of something ominous, how he's never coming back, etc. There were 324 people in line for the show who were happy to be there and excited to see the new season, and Willy almost seemed intent on whizzing in everyone's punch bowl.
The only reason I bring this up is because I, as someone who attends tapings when the chance arises, found it incredibly rude and insensitive to find someone badmouthing the show to people who'd come from all across the country just to be there. It's like going to Disneyland and waiting in line at the Matterhorn in front of some guy who won't stop talking about how the place isn't the same since they got rid of Captain EO, and that he's never coming back because he knows they've got their sights set on putting in a video wall for the Country Bears show.
(And then read a month later that he has gone back - multiple times - and probably acted like a wet blanket in line each of those times too.)
If you're that pissed off about the show, then stop going to the tapings. All you accomplish is bringing everyone else down, and taking up a spot in line that could be used for someone who wants to be there.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197905\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 08:48 PM\']This is very true. I really do think, though, that when Willy originally said that, he truly had no intention of ever going back. Last week was more along the lines of, "Well, I have no electricity until God knows when, and I've got some free plane tickets...I may as well go out and see how much more they've managed to screw up."[/quote]
And see, that's actually not the part I personally have a problem with. If TPIR is something you feel passionate about, then I can completely get wanting to check it out, even if only to complain about all the awful changes. (Though certainly Loogie makes a good point about why even THAT isn't such a cool thing to do.) My problem is with the simple declarative statement in the first place. When you say something like that then don't follow through, then no matter what you say from that point on, the impression you're leaving us with is that things must not be so bad after all.
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We have officially debated this topic to death.
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Nooo, it's only 22 pages. :)
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Wow...I certainly might have remembered saying I would never go back and I certainly might remember saying that I was upset about all of the changes in store. But since Logaroo is soooooo intent on making me out to be the bad guy here, allow me to retot on a few things:
1. I merely replied to a post about the chroma key screens being used for things other than trips. Statement of fact, not an opinion, but FACT!
2. In direct response to your comments about my feelings on that Sunday, you need to know the following about what went on that day and why I went.
I was supposed to have been an invited guest for the show and not been made to wait in line to see the show. It was only upon my "VIP arrival" time that I was greeted by Karen Winchell and told that this was not going to happen. This of course occurred long before this supposed "bad mouthing" occurred. I'd also love to know how you think I talked to everyone in line about my feelings that day. I might have talked to about 5 people that day directly about things and maybe people picked up on the word "PURPLE?!?!!?" as aggravation. I'll definitely cop to that 100%. I was told by the people coming outside the studio who saw show #1 that the wheel had changed colors. The biggest most important prop on the show was altered and I think I had a right to be a little upset. I did not, as Loogaroo would make it seems, walk up and down the benches wailing my discontent with what was happening. If he/she happened to be near me at the front of the line and heard me talking to other people, well that is something I cannot defend. You make it seem like I stood at the front of the line with a megaphone and announced my distaste/disgust.
On top of that, I was told that before Roger was fired, numerous other changes were in the works as well, specifically how the show opened: no longer would the phrase "Come on down" be used, nor would the show opening mention "The Bob Barker Studio", a change that I was informed later was reversed MINUTES before the first show taped. Also rumored to be changed was the addition of a video wall and a change to there only being four pricing games played, not six.
What Loogaroo obviously doesn't know is that I've mentioned on numerous occasions "I'm not going back!" while I waited for my chance to be selected as a contestant. And I still go back because in spite of all of the changes no one yet knows about, I still like watching the show get taped live and I still like meeting everyone else in line and I do NOT spew "P" and vinegar to everyone in ear shot of me. I went this time as Mr. Gavazzi pointed out because I had left Houston for Austin Fri AM before Ike hit and decided to use my free SWA air ticket to head for LA to both a) play a crapload of poker at The Bicycle Club and b) go to see the show to see if I could catch a playing of the new pricing game "Gas Money". That did not happen until the Wed PM taping, hence the five shows seen taped live.
I have a deeper love for the TRADITIONS of The Price Is Right than most of you will ever understand. I'm really really sorry I ever posted the simple fact about the chroma screens here. I certainly did not mean to come into your living room and cause a rucus. I certainly wouldn't want you to come into mine and do the same.
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197934\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 09:24 PM\']
The biggest most important prop on the show was altered and I think I had a right to be a little upset[/quote]
You gotta be kidding me.
What Loogaroo obviously doesn't know is that I've mentioned on numerous occasions "I'm not going back!" while I waited for my chance to be selected as a contestant. And I still go back
Exactly his point. So maybe you've learned that *repeatedly* spouting the "I'm not going back!" line is what is making you look really, REALLY foolish.
I have a deeper love for the TRADITIONS of The Price Is Right than most of you will ever understand.
My gawd, you're not kidding me.
Dude, get OVER yourself.
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197934\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 09:24 PM\']
I have a deeper love for the TRADITIONS of The Price Is Right than most of you will ever understand. [/quote]
I can totally understand this, I run a website where we have some of the same traditionalist opinions about Disneyland. However, as I ask my community - "What's wrong with some change?", I generally get flamed to kindgom-come. I've been to the park lots of times with people like this - and their downer attitude is never appreciated.
I understand that it's sad to you to see things change. However, at least you have previous episodes where that traditional TPiR is in. Yes, things change - however, one must remember the old times with fondness and not just complain about the current state of things. The majority of people who watch TPiR now, aren't the same people who watched it in the 90s, 80s, or 70s. Society changes, times change, and I for one am still happy that games of 'price this car, grocery item, or LobSter tennis machine' are still on. Most TV shows don't last this long, so if you think this is doom-gloom, you need to enjoy it while you can.
I'm not saying you have to be a blind-follower of the changes on TPiR, just remember that with good changes, comes bad change. If that bad change is too much to handle, then maybe this isn't the obsession for you anymore.
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I honestly respect Hastin's reply...I really do.
All I ask is that you wait until around November 13th, when the episodes that I saw taped start airing. And if you still think I'm too much of a traditionalist and crazy, so be it. I'll accept that whole-heartedly.
All I'm asking is that you wait.
Thanks.
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197947\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 02:39 AM\']All I ask is that you wait until around November 13th, when the episodes that I saw taped start airing. And if you still think I'm too much of a traditionalist and crazy, so be it. I'll accept that whole-heartedly.[/quote]Obviously, you enjoy going to the tapings and dangling a carrot in front of our faces.
Besides, I thought you didn't post to this forum (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=15870&view=findpost&p=189671\").
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197949\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 03:54 AM\']
Obviously, you enjoy going to the tapings and dangling a carrot in front of our faces.
Besides, I thought you didn't post to this forum.
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Indeed on both accounts. Maybe I figured I'd give the ol' Invision guys another try. Maybe I figured you'd be interested to know what was going on. Maybe I'm just plain wrong on all counts.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' post=\'197864\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 03:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'197861\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 02:59 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197849\' date=\'Sep 22 2008, 06:59 AM\']
Still, this appears to be another episode of Words Have Meanings. (A spinoff of Masters of the Obvious.)
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So, Words Have Meanings...is a game of definitions?
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Can anyone care to call Mr. Jim Perry for confirmation?
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Sorry, the correct answer is Pat Finn......
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197950\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 06:26 AM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197949\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 03:54 AM\']
Obviously, you enjoy going to the tapings and dangling a carrot in front of our faces.
Besides, I thought you didn't post to this forum.
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Indeed on both accounts. Maybe I figured I'd give the ol' Invision guys another try. Maybe I figured you'd be interested to know what was going on. Maybe I'm just plain wrong on all counts.
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No, you aren't wrong. People are interested in seeing the changes and hearing about reports. HOWEVER, Keep in mind that people here will call you out on things when they see fit- I thought you would know this by now!
And since its been widely reported that the American-Idolization of the show hasn't happened (nor have the format changes), how much different can things be, anyway? Inquiring minds want to know!
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[quote name=\'FPGWillyT\' post=\'197950\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 03:26 AM\']Indeed on both accounts. Maybe I figured I'd give the ol' Invision guys another try. Maybe I figured you'd be interested to know what was going on. Maybe I'm just plain wrong on all counts.[/quote]What you're wrong about is your idea that you are somehow exempt from the rules of society and good behavior. You wouldn't go to an opera and make the armpit fart noise. You wouldn't go to a movie and at the precisely wrong point bellow "Darth Vader is Luke's father!"
Similarly, your bellyaching and carrying on in the line doesn't just affect you. You are being a major buzzkill to those unfortunate to be within earshot. You can be as upset as you want about whatever changes are made to the show if it will help you sleep at night. If someone asks you what you think of the new season, you can tell them. But Tim covered this point: there are over 300 people in the crowd, and I bet you know more about the show than 299 of them. They're not privy to what we are here. They likely don't give a damn, they just want to be there and be part of it.
You're spoiling that experience for them. They're not going to remember who won the showcase or how much was won on Punch-a-Bunch. They're going to remember that unhinged guy in the line who kept carrying on about whatever.
That's what we're trying to tell you, and isn't getting through.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'197963\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 08:55 AM\']
You wouldn't go to an opera and make the armpit fart noise.[/quote]
Speak fer yerself, pal. :)