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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Don Howard on July 07, 2008, 11:22:27 AM
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Yet another countdown to doomsday is on.
Click this here link and scroll down a wee bit:
http://www.tvgameshows.net/bignews.htm (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/bignews.htm\")
As of this typing, it's the third story on the page.
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Doomsday??? I think some of us around here would consider it to be all sunshine and flowers from here.
That said, tvgameshows.net did pave the way for BuzzerBlog and GSNN. Steve was first to prove that a game show news site could work.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'189989\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 08:22 AM\']
As of this typing, it's the third story on the page.[/quote]
Did I just read him quoting himself in the third person?
What. A. HACK.
And if he paved the way for anyone, it was by doing such a piss-poor job that people sat up and said "hell, *I* can do better than that."
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Can't say that I care, really.
And yes, he references himself in the third person several times in the article. Jeepers.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'189997\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:42 AM\']
And yes, he references himself in the third person several times in the article. Jeepers.
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From his page, emphasis mine:
TVgameshows.net originator and webmaster Steve Beverly said Sunday: "In a sense, this has not been a difficult decision. As our friend and Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! executive producer Harry Friedman has said when changes are made to either of his shows: 'The time is right.'"
That is my favorite hackjob thing in the world, really. When he quotes himself in an article, as if he had an interview with one of his multiple personalities or something. It makes my day to read his site when he does that, and that's what I'll miss about the Perf.
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There's a glaring error on the first headline:
"DOBKOWITZ OUT AS EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF PRICE IS RIGHT"
'Nuff said.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'190000\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:51 AM\']
TVgameshows.net originator and webmaster Steve Beverly said Sunday: "In a sense, this has not been a difficult decision. As our friend and Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! executive producer Harry Friedman has said when changes are made to either of his shows: 'The time is right.'"
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I find it odd that he quotes himself in third person, but then reverts to the first person by saying "our friend"...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'189994\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:36 AM\']Did I just read him quoting himself in the third person?[/quote]
A common Beverly affectation, one that even I, as one of his bigger defenders, really can't defend.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'189994\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:36 AM\']And if he paved the way for anyone, it was by doing such a piss-poor job that people sat up and said "hell, *I* can do better than that."[/quote]
Yet in twelve years, no one has. Buzzerblog certainly comes close, and I'm sure a lot of people prefer it just on the principle of Anything But Steve. But despite his faults and flaws, real or imagined (and not nearly as multitudinous as his critics want to believe) he has done more for the love of game shows than any other website, and if he really does close up shop, it leaves a void.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'190001\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:54 AM\']
There's a glaring error on the first headline:
"DOBKOWITZ OUT AS EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF PRICE IS RIGHT"
'Nuff said.
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What am I missing here?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190007\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 09:06 AM\'] [quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'190001\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:54 AM\']
There's a glaring error on the first headline:
"DOBKOWITZ OUT AS EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF PRICE IS RIGHT"
'Nuff said.
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What am I missing here?
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The executive producer of TPiR is Syd Vinnedge. Roger was simply the producer.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'190009\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 12:11 PM\']
The executive producer of TPiR is Syd Vinnedge. Roger was simply the producer.[/quote]
Well there you go then. I lose a point.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'189994\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:36 AM\']And if he paved the way for anyone, it was by doing such a piss-poor job that people sat up and said "hell, *I* can do better than that."[/quote]
You captured my motivation for starting Buzzer *perfectly.* Right down to the exact quote, no less.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190006\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:04 AM\']he has done more for the love of game shows than any other website, and if he really does close up shop, it leaves a void.[/quote]You really think so? If you strip away the news stories, there's not really much at all. I can come here for the stories...I think some others have made more significant contributions without alienating others.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'190027\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 12:11 PM\']
If you strip away the news stories, there's not really much at all.[/quote]
If you strip away the posts here, there's not really much at all.
See the folly in your statement?
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'190027\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 12:11 PM\']
I think some others have made more significant contributions without alienating others.
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I'm curious: name them?
'Cuz I do see Matt's point. I think Beverly's a hack and a poor spokesperson for our fandom, but he does seem to run the news site (which is very different from a message board - and the reason you get a lot of the news here is because we have quite a few short-bussers who parrot him at every opportunity) that most people keep track of. Since I don't read him, I hear about him most of the time when he's wrong, which probably clouds my image of him in terms of his accuracy. But I also don't read him because of his day-to-day ethics and practices (his editorializing, self-promotion, etc.) that have nothing to do with whether he's factually correct or not.
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I have huge problems with professional game show fans representing themselves as, or being represented as, authorities on the subject. Want to know something about Hollywood Squares? Go to Merrill Heatter or Jay Redack or Steve Radosh or our own Brian Conn. Guys like the Perfesser are outsiders to the industry and their information comes largely from hearsay and Internet mythology IMO.
Identifying Roger as "executive producer" proves my point.
Concentration would be an exception, though. Whatever you do, DO NOT call Norm Blumenthal.
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Am I reading things right, or is he pretty much blaming Drew for Roger getting fired?
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I've always enjoyed this parody of Beverly: http://geocities.com/tgsccam/ (http://\"http://geocities.com/tgsccam/\")
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'190034\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:00 PM\']
I've always enjoyed this parody of Beverly: http://geocities.com/tgsccam/ (http://\"http://geocities.com/tgsccam/\")
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I clicked it, thinking I'd find something funny.
Then I looked at who that site apparently belongs to.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190035\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:04 PM\']Then I looked at who that site apparently belongs to.[/quote]
Unless I'm missing something, I highly doubt the site is run by Zach Horan.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190032\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:48 PM\']
I have huge problems with professional game show fans representing themselves as, or being represented as, authorities on the subject. Want to know something about Hollywood Squares? Go to Merrill Heatter or Jay Redack or Steve Radosh or our own Brian Conn. Guys like the Perfesser are outsiders to the industry and their information comes largely from hearsay and Internet mythology IMO.[/quote]
Thing is, you could say that about any reporter, journalist, historian or biographer. Anybody who writes about anything that they're not directly involved in, and that's a lot of writers.
Basically, Steve was writing a game show blog before the term "blog" existed. HE saw it as a journalistic exercise because that's his background, and his style of writing reflected that. Even that whole third-person thing. But it never was, mostly because (as I've said many times before) he didn't have an editor checking and controlling his content. Still, late nineties, Millionaire changes the landscape, and he's right-place right-time perfect talking head, a university professor old enough and media savvy enough and with just enough cred not to come across as a fanboi.
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[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'190033\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 01:55 PM\']
Am I reading things right, or is he pretty much blaming Drew for Roger getting fired?[/quote]
I don't see where you get that. At all.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'190037\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190035\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:04 PM\']Then I looked at who that site apparently belongs to.[/quote]
Unless I'm missing something, I highly doubt the site is run by Zach Horan.
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If it ain't him, it's somebody close to him since he's apparently the only one who ZHIFOS applies to (and who uses the acronym on a regular basis...for the uninitiated, I'll leave it up to you to figure out what it stands for).
(Not sayin' I don't appreciate the effort.)
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190040\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:11 PM\']
If it ain't him, it's somebody close to him since he's apparently the only one who ZHIFOS applies to (and who uses the acronym on a regular basis...for the uninitiated, I'll leave it up to you to figure out what it stands for).
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You couldn't be further off the mark. ZHIFOS was an acronym made up to ridicule Zach, and its appearance on that parody page is just another joke. Zach later chose (rather smartly, I thought) to wear that acronym as a badge of honor, basically to continue to annoy the people he'd been annoying for so long.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190040\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:11 PM\']If it ain't him, it's somebody close to him since he's apparently the only one who ZHIFOS applies to.[/quote]
Do you think maybe the author is using the in-joke facetiously?
Nowhere on the site does the author make any puns about Allen Ludden's death.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'190043\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190040\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:11 PM\']If it ain't him, it's somebody close to him since he's apparently the only one who ZHIFOS applies to.[/quote]
Do you think maybe the author is using the in-joke facetiously?
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It's possible, but I doubt it.
I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190046\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:21 PM\']
It's possible, but I doubt it.
I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
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Well, congratulations on giving it to him.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190049\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190046\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:21 PM\']
It's possible, but I doubt it.
I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
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Well, congratulations on giving it to him.
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*groan*
If it's not Zach then I wonder who else it could be...
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Thing is, you could say that about any reporter, journalist, historian or biographer. Anybody who writes about anything that they're not directly involved in, and that's a lot of writers.
Steve Beverly is not a primary source. Never has been, never will be, but people treat him as such. If you're doing a piece on Match Game, do you call Ira Skutch (he's listed) or do you call on the Perf?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190052\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:31 PM\']
Thing is, you could say that about any reporter, journalist, historian or biographer. Anybody who writes about anything that they're not directly involved in, and that's a lot of writers.
Steve Beverly is not a primary source. Never has been, never will be, but people treat him as such. If you're doing a piece on Match Game, do you call Ira Skutch (he's listed) or do you call on the Perf?
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In this day and age? I call both, and then wait to see who calls me back first.
/You know that answer.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190046\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 04:21 PM\']I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.[/quote]
I really wish I had a $50 right now...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190030\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:50 PM\']I'm curious: name them?[/quote]I think Randy Amasia did quite a bit with his website. Mike Klauss. Brad Francini. Matt Ottinger.
I guess it depends though, what you define as more for the love of game shows than any other website.
Again, there's not much meat to his site if you take away his blog, or whatever you want to call it. The folks above have or had quite a bit of information on their websites, all without trying to come across as "insiders". As I don't visit Steve's site at all, and I regularly visit the websites above, I'm not sensing this "void" that Matt alluded too.I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
Typically, you can't have a lay that pays out more to the dollar. I, however, am willing to lay 1-to-3 that it is not Zach. I suspect that I'll make out pretty well.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'190046\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:21 PM\']
I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
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Zach wasn't nearly that humble. While I understand what you're saying, I'm pretty sure he would've gone out of his way trying to promote his site, either on this board and/or ATGS.
Back in the ATGS era, someone decided, as a "prank" to make phony "online greeting cards", then when you scroll to the bottom of the page, you get a screenshot of Zach when he appeared on Millionaire.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'190057\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:42 PM\']
I think Randy Amasia did quite a bit with his website. Mike Klauss. Brad Francini. Matt Ottinger.[/quote]
And how many of these did regular, even semi-weekly news updates? (NEWS. Not information-repository stuff. NEWS.) Near as I can tell, only Klauss. And with all respect to Mike, he quit when he realized pretty quickly what a pain in the ass it was.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'190054\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190052\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:31 PM\']
Thing is, you could say that about any reporter, journalist, historian or biographer. Anybody who writes about anything that they're not directly involved in, and that's a lot of writers.
Steve Beverly is not a primary source. Never has been, never will be, but people treat him as such. If you're doing a piece on Match Game, do you call Ira Skutch (he's listed) or do you call on the Perf?
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In this day and age? I call both, and then wait to see who calls me back first.
/You know that answer.
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Let's assume you could get either one on the phone instantly.
If the question were "What was Gene Rayburn like?" or "What constitutes a good Match Game question", I know who I'd want to hear it from.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190061\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:49 PM\']And how many of these did regular, even semi-weekly news updates? (NEWS. Not information-repository stuff. NEWS.) Near as I can tell, only Klauss. And with all respect to Mike, he quit when he realized pretty quickly what a pain in the ass it was.[/quote]
It didn't help when a bunch of volunteers opted not to help me. And losing my job around that time period didn't help matters either. Would I do it again? Hell. No.
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I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
Nahh. Zach is nowhere near that clever.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190061\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'190057\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:42 PM\']
I think Randy Amasia did quite a bit with his website. Mike Klauss. Brad Francini. Matt Ottinger.[/quote]
And how many of these did regular, even semi-weekly news updates? (NEWS. Not information-repository stuff. NEWS.) Near as I can tell, only Klauss. And with all respect to Mike, he quit when he realized pretty quickly what a pain in the ass it was.
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Gotta give a shoutout to Chris Lambert, because waaaay back in the day (mid-90's, 1995 or 1996) I remember memorizing his ridiculously long G$P address so I could bring it up on one of the two or three computers that had 'net access at our school...just to see that the MG pilot didn't get picked up, etc. And to marvel at the amazing amount of game shows on tape that he had, gasp!
But Chris, to his credit, didn't keep up with it, because it is a hard and monotonous thing to do. And the Perf does deserve praise for mostly staying with it for this long. I stopped reading his site long ago because it just got a little too much for reasons mentioned elsewhere.
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The Perf deserves all props and kudos for being ambitious with his web site. It looks slick and is chock full of content, and he has kept it going for years. His reportorial skills, well, we won't go there.
Would I do it again? Hell. No.
I'll cross you off the list of possible alternate executive producers for the Game Show Forum. Not that we had such a list, but still.
It is a testament to our lack of common sense and lackluster personal lives that the three of us have kept this operation going for as long as we have and that we still have an operation we can take pride in.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190068\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 06:12 PM\']
Would I do it again? Hell. No.
I'll cross you off the list of possible alternate executive producers for the Game Show Forum. Not that we had such a list, but still.[/quote]
Uh...you did cross my name off in pencil, right? I have an eraser handy.
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Upon hearing about Perf's departure, TheLastResort issued this statement:
"Mere words cannot describe my indifference to this news. I have enjoyed not visiting Beverly's web site for so long, I'm not sure how I'll go on. I suppose I'll just have to find another web site to not visit."
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'190069\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 03:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190068\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 06:12 PM\']Would I do it again? Hell. No.
I'll cross you off the list of possible alternate executive producers for the Game Show Forum. Not that we had such a list, but still.[/quote]
Uh...you did cross my name off in pencil, right? I have an eraser handy.
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Duly noted.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'190073\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 06:22 PM\']
Upon hearing about Perf's departure, TheLastResort issued this statement:
"Mere words cannot describe my indifference to this news. I have enjoyed not visiting Beverly's web site for so long, I'm not sure how I'll go on. I suppose I'll just have to find another web site to not visit."
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You win.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'190065\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:59 PM\']
It didn't help when a bunch of volunteers opted not to help me. And losing my job around that time period didn't help matters either. Would I do it again? Hell. No.[/quote]
Absolutely on all counts. No knock on you was intended, and I hope one was not implied.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190068\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 06:12 PM\']
It is a testament to our lack of common sense and lackluster personal lives that the three of us have kept this operation going for as long as we have [/quote]
Damn straight!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190078\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 06:33 PM\']Absolutely on all counts. No knock on you was intended, and I hope one was not implied.[/quote]
None implied. It's all cool.
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I never really had a problem with the Perf one way or another, but his writing style can be peculiar. As a recent graduate with a degree in journalism, I cringe to think that he's responsible for teaching journalism to college students.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'190066\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:00 PM\']
I'd lay 3-to-1 it's Zach, just trying to draw attention to himself.
Nahh. Zach is nowhere near that clever.
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Okay, you guys make your point. Conceded.
Joe, I'll pass along your $150. I can only pay you in Temptation dollars, though.
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Well, whoever runs the site has just updated it:
http://www.geocities.com/tgsccam/index.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/tgsccam/index.html\")
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'190105\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 08:56 PM\']
Well, whoever runs the site has just updated it:
http://www.geocities.com/tgsccam/index.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/tgsccam/index.html\")
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Not as good as the previous efforts, but this one got a laugh out of me...
SPOILER: Arlene took the bank's offer of $181,000 with 6 cases left, each of which contained $1,000,000, to which the online game show community responded with 18 pages worth of "fail" and LOLcat images.
It's funny cause it's true!
Oh, and the quote of the day was pretty funny too.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'190105\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 08:56 PM\']
Well, whoever runs the site has just updated it:
http://www.geocities.com/tgsccam/index.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/tgsccam/index.html\")
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I'm on the floor. I think even my neighbor mowing his lawn (in the dark and I don't know why, yet it gives him joy so why not?) heard me howling. I'd forgotten all about TGSCCAM. The Amazing S. Beautiful!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190006\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 09:04 AM\']But despite his faults and flaws, real or imagined (and not nearly as multitudinous as his critics want to believe) he has done more for the love of game shows than any other website, and if he really does close up shop, it leaves a void.[/quote]Faults, flaws, eccentricities, you can call them what you want, but when you have this problem:
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190038\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 02:09 PM\']Basically, Steve was writing a game show blog before the term "blog" existed. HE saw it as a journalistic exercise because that's his background, and his style of writing reflected that. Even that whole third-person thing. But it never was, mostly because (as I've said many times before) he didn't have an editor checking and controlling his content. [/quote]I just can't take it seriously. And when you throw in the coined words, his pet causes, editorializing, factual errors that are swept away and quietly corrected instead of under a "corrections" section, it becomes even worse. (Dick Clark hosting the daily Millionaire, anyone?)
There was never any sense that Steve was part of the crowd. He was putting out his little publication from his Fortress of Solitude, and we were supposed to be ever so thankful that we had results, updates and interviews because of him. Did Steve ever join any discussions at alt.tv.game-shows? Did he even lurk or read there? I might be a bit more forgiving if there was ever any sort of "sorry guys, I goofed" apology on his part, or his getting his feet wet in our corner of the internet, but I never saw anything of the sort. So I won't miss him, if indeed he's left.
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I am sad to hear this news. It seems I'm in the minority here, but I loved his site. I have been reading it since the beginning. I think there is going to be a void in the game show community once his site goes down. Sure, Steve's site wasn't perfect. (I didn't like the fact that when some celebrity died who once was made a guest appereance on What's My Line, it got a half-page write-up.) But, Steve was such a pioneer. He dedicated so much time to the genre. I met Steve in person at a GSC. Nice guy.
Justin
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Eh. I had his page bookmarked, but only for the .pdf schedules.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'190131\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 10:58 PM\']
Eh. I had his page bookmarked, but only for the .pdf schedules.
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THOSE I'll miss.
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Oh gee Marge, look at this!!
It just so happens that the special guest for Stu's Show (This Wednesday, 7-9ET/4-6PT at shokusradio.com) will be the Perfesser himself!
Maybe we should all call in that night begging him to change his mind?..<giggle...giggle...snort!>
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'190144\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:44 PM\']
It just so happens that the special guest for Stu's Show (This Wednesday, 7-9ET/4-6PT at shokusradio.com) will be the Perfesser himself!
Maybe we should all call in that night begging him to change his mind?..<giggle...giggle...snort!>
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Are you serious?
<pause for a moment while Don Howard checks the Shokus site for the sked>
Well, there you are.
Shall we take For Amusement Only wagers as to how many such calls there will be?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'189997\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 10:42 AM\']
Can't say that I care, really.
And yes, he references himself in the third person several times in the article. Jeepers.
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The Perf's been doing that for years, and we've all questioned his journalistic integrity and his ethics from time to time.
I say "good ridance." Now we don't have to take acid reflux meds every time we see him and his damn site quoted by the AP.
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When I was a young lad in College (ok, like 7 years ago) I was given permission to write a story for our college paper about game shows. Steve was a very helpful resource and gave me tips and pointers on how to slant the article toward our readers. I enjoyed his website a lot back then, but now I've noticed that he seems very out of touch and biased toward certain aspects of the game show world.
But at least in my eyes, i'll always remember him for the updates and how he helped me.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'190037\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 05:07 PM\']
Unless I'm missing something, I highly doubt the site is run by Zach Horan.
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Wasn't "game show researcher" Zach Horan a occasional contributor/source of information for Steve's site some years ago?
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'190185\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 08:41 AM\']
Steve was a very helpful resource and gave me tips and pointers on how to slant the article toward our readers.
(snip)
But at least in my eyes, i'll always remember him for the updates and how he helped me.
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That's just it -- slanted. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity, namely publishing what happened and leaving the editorial crap to the editorial section?
No offense, but I hope that help included a lesson on how not to write a story, namely in his style.
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[quote name=\'Footix\' post=\'190192\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 09:39 AM\']
Wasn't "game show researcher" Zach Horan a occasional contributor/source of information for Steve's site some years ago?
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Steve's faults aside, I may be among the few who will actually miss his site a little if/when it's gone. It did sometimes give me some useful info, such as upcoming programs, reviews, or FAQs, etc.
I also like his features on the past, such as the current series on What's My Line? Always an interesting read.
/I wonder how much of it is true...
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'190218\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 01:40 PM\']
[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'190185\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 08:41 AM\']
Steve was a very helpful resource and gave me tips and pointers on how to slant the article toward our readers.
(snip)
But at least in my eyes, i'll always remember him for the updates and how he helped me.
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That's just it -- slanted. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity, namely publishing what happened and leaving the editorial crap to the editorial section?
No offense, but I hope that help included a lesson on how not to write a story, namely in his style.
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When I meant slanted, he gave me pointers on how to make it more interesting toward the potential audience- the college student.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'190246\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 03:01 PM\']
Steve's faults aside, I may be among the few who will actually miss his site a little if/when it's gone.
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I'll second that I'm sorry to see it go.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'190247\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 03:03 PM\']
When I meant slanted, he gave me pointers on how to make it more interesting toward the potential audience- the college student.
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I know. :-)
I had another kind of slant in mind.
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I liked his site and will miss it. It will be interesting to see what the Beverly Bashers focus on now.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'190330\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 10:41 PM\']I liked his site and will miss it. It will be interesting to see what the Beverly Bashers focus on now.[/quote]I, for one, will use my newfound free time to fight crime from my underground lair.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'190331\' date=\'Jul 9 2008, 12:59 AM\']
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'190330\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 10:41 PM\']I liked his site and will miss it. It will be interesting to see what the Beverly Bashers focus on now.[/quote]I, for one, will use my newfound free time to fight crime from my underground lair.
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I swear, if I see you running down the streets of my town wearing tights and a cape, I'm getting my gun. ;)
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'190330\' date=\'Jul 9 2008, 01:41 AM\']
I liked his site and will miss it. It will be interesting to see what the Beverly Bashers focus on now.
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A car wash this weekend, maybe a bake sale in the fall.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'190330\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 10:41 PM\']
I liked his site and will miss it. It will be interesting to see what the Beverly Bashers focus on now.
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Well, I kinda doubt it will be the Game Show Congreff.
Sorry, the "Casino Games and Show" Congreff.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'190331\' date=\'Jul 9 2008, 01:59 AM\']
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'190330\' date=\'Jul 8 2008, 10:41 PM\']I liked his site and will miss it. It will be interesting to see what the Beverly Bashers focus on now.[/quote]I, for one, will use my newfound free time to fight crime from my underground lair.
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I had to ask. ;-)
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'190144\' date=\'Jul 7 2008, 11:44 PM\']
It just so happens that the special guest for Stu's Show (This Wednesday, 7-9ET/4-6PT at shokusradio.com) will be the Perfesser himself!
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Don't know if any of you caught the show last night (if not, many of you know it'll repeat throughout the week), but from what Stu said, I think he reads this board. Unless there's another place where the webmaster's decision was discussed which is certainly possible, just unknown to me.
I feel as though some of us may have been spanked and sent to the corner.
In other Stu's Show news, his guest in a few weeks will be William Schallert---which is a big thrill for fans of The Patty Duke Show, of which I am one. I may transition from listener to caller for the first time when that show's on.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'190501\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 10:25 AM\']
I think he reads this board.[/quote]
I've never had any doubt of that. He thinks far too much of himself not to.
I feel as though some of us may have been spanked and sent to the corner.
By the Perfesser? 'Scuse me while I weep.
/tears of joy, that is
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I was on Stu's game show, and he mentioned to me that he reads this board.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190509\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 02:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'190501\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 10:25 AM\']
I think he reads this board.[/quote]
I've never had any doubt of that. He thinks far too much of himself not to.
I feel as though some of us may have been spanked and sent to the corner.
By the Perfesser? 'Scuse me while I weep.
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No, Chris. Stosh was silent about the matter. Stu had a little filibuster about it, though.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'190515\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 11:19 AM\']
No, Chris. Stosh was silent about the matter. Stu had a little filibuster about it, though.[/quote]
OHHHHH. I thought you were talking about the Perfesser reading the board, not Stu. I follow now.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190521\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'190515\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 11:19 AM\']
No, Chris. Stosh was silent about the matter. Stu had a little filibuster about it, though.[/quote]
OHHHHH. I thought you were talking about the Perfesser reading the board, not Stu. I follow now.
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Looking back at my post, I worded it vaguely. My apologies.
Calls weren't taken until about twenty minutes before the end of the intercast, which allowed for only three or four people to be heard from. For those who tuned in, was Al (who made the quite entertaining remark about Wheel Of Fortune's million-dollar wedgie) Al Martella? Also, I feel as though I should know Marie (the first caller) but I can't place her. Ring a bell with anyone?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'190522\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:19 PM\']
For those who tuned in, was Al (who made the quite entertaining remark about Wheel Of Fortune's million-dollar wedgie) Al Martella? [/quote]
Indeed. A regular caller to Stu's Show.
And yes, Stu reads our forum with some regularity. I don't know whether Steve does or not. I try to explain to Stu that the assorted comments shouldn't be construed to mean that our forum speaks with One Voice, or that The Game Show Forum feels one way or another about a topic. Still, more than once he's blamed me because "your guys over there" are saying this or that. I missed his commentary about our opinions last night, I'll have to catch a replay. Don, about how far in did it happen?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190525\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:26 PM\']
about how far in did it happen?
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First segment right before the break (which played at approximately twenty minutes past the hour). Included in his statement was that "some message boards" harp on Steve's habit of speaking of himself in the third person. I could be wrong, but to me, he sounded really ticked.
When the commercial started, I looked at my wife and said, "I think I may have just been scolded".
Your opinion may be different, so I'll be curious to hear your perspective after you listen.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190525\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 12:26 PM\']
I try to explain to Stu that the assorted comments shouldn't be construed to mean that our forum speaks with One Voice, or that The Game Show Forum feels one way or another about a topic.[/quote]
Clearly he has us mixed up with the GSN forums, where such a policy is rigidly enforced.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'190531\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:33 PM\']First segment right before the break (which played at approximately twenty minutes past the hour). Included in his statement was that "some message boards" harp on Steve's habit of speaking of himself in the third person. I could be wrong, but to me, he sounded really ticked. [/quote]
He always sounds like that.
At least he'd be accurate that people on a message board really did say those things. Meanwhile, Steve's current article about Roger Dobkowitz mentions "online speculation" about Kevin Belinkoff and Gaby Johnson as possible replacements, despite the fact that no one here or on G-R mentioned those names (until just now), and the mods at G-R (who have decent connections - for now) were pretty clear that Kathy Greco was going to get the job. The only "online speculation" appears to be Steve's own, which I guess makes the statement technically accurate but takes this third-person thing to an entirely different level.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190539\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:51 PM\']
Kevin Belinkoff and Gaby Johnson as possible replacements
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Are these names we are familiar with (obviously I'm not.)?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190539\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:51 PM\']
Steve's current article about Roger Dobkowitz mentions "online speculation" about Kevin Belinkoff and Gaby Johnson as possible replacements[/quote]
Which he reiterated on last evening's Stu's Show. I'll give away nothing further so I don't spoil the show for you as you'll be catching one of the encore playings.
Included in the discussion were Million Dollar Password, Deal Or No Deal, Celebrity Family Feud, Wipeout, the $1,000,000 prize on Wheel Of Fortune and much more.
On a truly happy note, you'll be pleased to know that Union University has done considerable rebuilding in the aftermath of the meteorological disaster which struck there less than six months ago. True teamwork all around. Hearing about how badly that campus got torn up during the storm and seeing pictures of the destruction makes it seem like more of a miracle than everyone survived.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'190541\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'190539\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:51 PM\']
Kevin Belinkoff and Gaby Johnson as possible replacements
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Are these names we are familiar with (obviously I'm not.)?
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Belinkoff was a producer on the 1998 Match Game revival, and I believe the first season or two of the current Feud. IIRC, he's done recent work with GSN.
Gaby is another producer on Feud, and I believe she worked on the Dawson version.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'190543\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 03:03 PM\']
Belinkoff was a producer on the 1998 Match Game revival, and I believe the first season or two of the current Feud.
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Well now, there's a resumé.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'190543\' date=\'Jul 10 2008, 04:03 PM\']
Gaby is another producer on Feud, and I believe she worked on the Dawson version.
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IIRC, Combs and Dawson's 94 return as well.
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Personally I have been a longtime fan of the Prof's tvgameshows.net website, and I have downloaded a number of his commentaries and interviews with tv game show greats.
I am picking up a vibe from this forum that he isn't "all that" as far as being an authority on game shows. Am I correct and if so, what is the reason for it? Just curious.
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He has never worked in the game show business as far as I know. True that many journalists have never worked in the fields they cover, but if he had experience in the field I think it would give him more credibility.
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Now, I'd disagree on that "you have to have done it to be an expert" thinking. If that were the case, for one thing, there wouldn't be male gynecologists. (JOKE) I'm actually more incllined to believe somebody from outside the "system" of whatever someone is reporting about exactly because they have no ties and therefore can be more honest.
My problem (as a working journalist) with Steve was that he let his personal biases get in the way when analyzing (just because you don't like it for some reason doesn't mean others won't) and he could make some pretty big whoppers now and then - and I'm not even thinking of the April Fool prank he bought.
If it was somebody who still had close ties to the business, I would have to wonder if he felt he had to protect those he liked. (Think football announcing and semi-trained analysts who believe all players are future hall of famers and all coaches are geniuses.)
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[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'190928\' date=\'Jul 15 2008, 07:59 AM\']
I am picking up a vibe from this forum that he isn't "all that" as far as being an authority on game shows. Am I correct and if so, what is the reason for it? Just curious.[/quote]
Depends on what you consider an "authority."
Does he know a lot about game shows? Without question.
Does he necessarily know more than anyone else, including many people here? Not at all.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'190965\' date=\'Jul 15 2008, 08:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'190928\' date=\'Jul 15 2008, 07:59 AM\']
I am picking up a vibe from this forum that he isn't "all that" as far as being an authority on game shows. Am I correct and if so, what is the reason for it? Just curious.[/quote]
Depends on what you consider an "authority."
Does he know a lot about game shows? Without question.
Does he necessarily know more than anyone else, including many people here? Not at all.
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So is that the consensus' point of contention: that he knows a lot about game shows, but he passes it off as if he knows more than anyone else? If so, then I can see where everyone here is coming from regarding the Prof.
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[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'190981\' date=\'Jul 15 2008, 10:44 PM\']So is that the consensus' point of contention: that he knows a lot about game shows, but he passes it off as if he knows more than anyone else? If so, then I can see where everyone here is coming from regarding the Prof.[/quote]
One of the things I hope you'll learn here is that there is no single "consensus" on anything. Some people have a problem with that, some people have a problem with other things about Steve, and others don't have a problem with him at all. Some are even big fans of his. There are eight pages of opinions on this thread alone, and you'll see a wide variety of viewpoints.
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[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'190981\' date=\'Jul 15 2008, 10:44 PM\']
So is that the consensus' point of contention: that he knows a lot about game shows, but he passes it off as if he knows more than anyone else? If so, then I can see where everyone here is coming from regarding the Prof.
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My 2 cents -- he seems to have an encyclopedic knowledge of a TV era that no longer exists (if there ever was a TV trivia contest that was exclusively material before 1980, he should be your first draft pick) and will never come back. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to get that it never will come back and can't seem to let go, which clouds his credibility as a commentator on the modern scene. That, and pretty much whatever has been said about self-importance, third-person quoting, etc.
--Mike
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In doing some Googling, Steve was on a.t.g-s in the group's early days, back in the Paleolithic Internet Era. He also was on one of the early listservs--I recall him telling someone that he wouldn't be at the next GSC (not the "Congreff," the more informal events that used to be held)--something about the people who go to them being too immature and profane.
Which in the end was my problem with him--he was too attached to an era that can't or won't come back to be taken seriously as a contemporary commentator. And the pomposity.
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[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'190928\' date=\'Jul 15 2008, 09:59 AM\'] Personally I have been a longtime fan of the Prof's tvgameshows.net website, and I have downloaded a number of his commentaries and interviews with tv game show greats.
I am picking up a vibe from this forum that he isn't "all that" as far as being an authority on game shows. Am I correct and if so, what is the reason for it? Just curious. [/quote]
My personal beef has been less with his knowledge of game shows (though it really isn't quite so encyclopedic -- that's ok, since neither is mine) and more with some of his journalistic acts. He very frequently got heat for using unattributed online sources. The final straw was when a someone posted a deliberately untrue statement as a honeypot and it showed up on his site.
Some people have this very wrong viewpoint of "those who can, do; those who can't teach". Actions like that perpetuate such a viewpoint.
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Now, I'd disagree on that "you have to have done it to be an expert" thinking.
That's not what I said. I said he'd have more credibility if he had been in the business. Someone who is/was in the business is more likely to have firsthand information than someone whose knowledge comes from Internet research and hearsay (cf. problems with Wikipedia).
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I think the word "expert" is more semantically precise than "authority". Several definitions of "authority" imply legal powers. "Expert" describes exactly what the Perf is.
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I do wish Stu had asked Stosh to share with his audience why he refers to himself in the third person in much of his written prose. Certainly, he's got to know his readership is aware that it is Steve himself who has composed those words. I was all set to hear a good reason why he writes in that style in the interest of equal time for what some of us have said about him, but he remained silent while Stu delivered his homily.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'191090\' date=\'Jul 16 2008, 09:17 PM\']
I do wish Stu had asked Stosh to share with his audience why he refers to himself in the third person in much of his written prose. Certainly, he's got to know his readership is aware that it is Steve himself who has composed those words. I was all set to hear a good reason why he writes in that style in the interest of equal time for what some of us have said about him, but he remained silent while Stu delivered his homily.
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I don't know if this is the reason, but maybe he (Steve) treats the articles on his website as psuedo-press releases. They seem to be written in that University press release style. Then again, it's possible he doesn't write articles which quote him and that a journalism student or teaching assistant does the work.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'191092\' date=\'Jul 16 2008, 06:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'191090\' date=\'Jul 16 2008, 09:17 PM\']
I do wish Stu had asked Stosh to share with his audience why he refers to himself in the third person in much of his written prose. Certainly, he's got to know his readership is aware that it is Steve himself who has composed those words. I was all set to hear a good reason why he writes in that style in the interest of equal time for what some of us have said about him, but he remained silent while Stu delivered his homily.
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I don't know if this is the reason, but maybe he (Steve) treats the articles on his website as psuedo-press releases. They seem to be written in that University press release style. Then again, it's possible he doesn't write articles which quote him and that a journalism student or teaching assistant does the work.
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Or perhaps Stosh doesn't know how to write in the first person ;-)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'191122\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 03:41 AM\']
Or perhaps Stosh doesn't know how to write in the first person ;-)
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Never has, never will, as evidenced by this:
Steve Beverly's Diary, June 16, 1962
Steve Beverly woke up, and ate a bowl of Kellogg's All Bran. Then Steve Beverly realized it was Saturday morning and figured out that "Seven Keys" wasn't going to be on. Steve Beverly went back to bed and cried himself to sleep.
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It's why he failed the Wheel audition.
"Steve Beverly would like to buy a vowel."
"Okay, which one?"
"A Steve Beverly!"
"There are three 'i's"
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Okay, I'm ignorant. What is the difference between writing in 1st person and writing in 3rd person?
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[quote name=\'gameshowlover87\' post=\'191142\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 10:11 AM\']
Okay, I'm ignorant. What is the difference between writing in 1st person and writing in 3rd person?
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First person is "I". Third person is "he".
(For the record, second person is "you".)
First person: I've decided to stop running tvgameshows.net
Third person: Steve Beverly decided he would stop running tvgameshows.net
Journalists typically write in the third person (most fiction is also written that way), but they don't typically write about themselves. Steve uses third person like any journalist would, but it comes across as a little silly to many people here when he does that while "reporting" on his own actions.
Bonus trivia: I can think of two pretty well-known examples of pop culture that were written in the second person. Can anybody name them, or perhaps add to my short list?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'191144\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 09:24 AM\']Bonus trivia: I can think of two pretty well-known examples of pop culture that were written in the second person. Can anybody name them, or perhaps add to my short list?[/quote]
The Choose Your Own Adventure series, for starters.
If you start a game show-related website, turn to page 57.
If you choose to make snarky comments about another person's game show-related website, turn to page 94.
ETA: The other one that comes to mind is "Thriller" by Michael Jackson.
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes,
You're paralyzed
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'191144\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 10:24 AM\']
Bonus trivia: I can think of two pretty well-known examples of pop culture that were written in the second person. Can anybody name them, or perhaps add to my short list?
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Can't think of any offhand (other than if you consider Bright Lights, Big City "pop culture"), but I would just like to say I'm a big fan of second-person shooter games.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'gameshowlover87\' post=\'191142\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 07:11 AM\']
Okay, I'm ignorant. What is the difference between writing in 1st person and writing in 3rd person?[/quote]
I sentence you to two years of Latin.
For the record, second person is "you".
It's time to get really worried when he gets into the second person:
STEVE: Did you write a check to the phone company?
STOSH: I thought you were going to do it.
STEVE: We discussed this last week and you said you would do it.
STOSH: OK, I'll write the check but you call the plumber.
STEVE: Fine. Now let me speak to Stuart.
STOSH: I'll see if he's around.
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[quote name=\'rigsby\' post=\'191150\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 11:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'191144\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 09:24 AM\']Bonus trivia: I can think of two pretty well-known examples of pop culture that were written in the second person. Can anybody name them, or perhaps add to my short list?[/quote]
The Choose Your Own Adventure series, for starters.
If you start a game show-related website, turn to page 57.
If you choose to make snarky comments about another person's game show-related website, turn to page 94.
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*turns to page 57, sees the following:*
404
File not found.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'191144\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 10:24 AM\']
Bonus trivia: I can think of two pretty well-known examples of pop culture that were written in the second person. Can anybody name them, or perhaps add to my short list?
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Michael Jackson's Thriller comes to mind.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'191190\' date=\'Jul 17 2008, 01:54 PM\']
Michael Jackson's Thriller comes to mind.[/quote]
Ooh, good one.