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From tvgameshows.net
GSN Gives Up Original Hollywood Squares Package
In a decision which will undoubtedly draw a mixed bag reaction from its viewers, Game Show Network has opted to give up its package of original Hollywood Squares episodes.
The network used the Tom Bergeron episodes during its summer Friday vertivision daytime format.
\"We had a limited amount of programming slots available and we had to choose between the new and old version of The Hollywood Squares,\" a GSN spokesperson said. \"So we went with the newer version because it is more contemporary for our viewers now. More recognizable actors on that show.\"
A series of 130 of the Peter Marshall episodes began running in the spring of 2002 but never drew strong ratings or young demographics.
The Bergeron episodes are now airing during GSN's morning lineups seven days a week.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 05:31 AM\'] From tvgameshows.net
GSN Gives Up Original Hollywood Squares Package
In a decision which will undoubtedly draw a mixed bag reaction from its viewers, Game Show Network has opted to give up its package of original Hollywood Squares episodes.
The network used the Tom Bergeron episodes during its summer Friday vertivision daytime format.
"We had a limited amount of programming slots available and we had to choose between the new and old version of The Hollywood Squares," a GSN spokesperson said. "So we went with the newer version because it is more contemporary for our viewers now. More recognizable actors on that show."
A series of 130 of the Peter Marshall episodes began running in the spring of 2002 but never drew strong ratings or young demographics.
The Bergeron episodes are now airing during GSN's morning lineups seven days a week. [/quote]
This is certainly a shame but understandable. What, then, is the reason for GSN (presumably) double-running the 1987-88 seasons of WLOD and $100K Pyramid (Mon-Wed and Friday) starting next week, which are admittedly 10 to 20 years more recent than the Marshall HS package, but also have a number of B-list celebs appearing on them?
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The celebrities on WLoD are far less important to the game. It could just as easily have been played with other players, but they went with celebs.
As for HS, the celebs are central to the success of the show. Plus, I think that maybe GSN can stop being worried about the less-than-PC nature of the show.
All spectualtion on my part, though.
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The same could be said for \"Match Game\" - many celebrities on there whom today's audiences wouldn't know. But I guess ratings speak volumes.
It's too bad GSN is taking this stance though. If what they're looking for are contemporary shows, it seems unlikely that much from the '70s and before will ever be run again (except for maybe \"Black and White overnight\")
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But with Match Game, people still recognize Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly (and Betty White when she's in the sixth seat). I remember when ET did a feature on MG a year or two back, Brett said she was amazed that she gets fan mail from teenagers.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 01:08 PM\'] But with Match Game, people still recognize Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly (and Betty White when she's in the sixth seat). I remember when ET did a feature on MG a year or two back, Brett said she was amazed that she gets fan mail from teenagers. [/quote]
While HSq is dated in some areas--who remembers Karen Valentine without having TV Land?--but the jokes and double entrendres on MG never get old. I have to side with GSN on this one.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 01:08 PM\'] But with Match Game, people still recognize Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly (and Betty White when she's in the sixth seat). I remember when ET did a feature on MG a year or two back, Brett said she was amazed that she gets fan mail from teenagers. [/quote]
Now, if GSN announces it will be replacing all Rayburn MG's with repeats of MG98 (can't have those numbers-killing, nasty OLD people -- pauses to spit on ground -- infesting our channel...Judy Tenuta equals RATINGS, dammit!!), I will truly be in horror.
I know some of you understand, or are trying to, but I too am worrying about the writing being on the wall. My above comment was sarcastic, but you never know sadly.
But on another tangent...while I wish to see more Marshall HS, am I one of the only people left who thought the Bergeron ones were decent? (Seems it suddenly became trendy to bash it around 2000-2001 or so) Unlike That other celebrity panel game revival of 1998, at least it managed to be faithful to the original, despite the usual complaints...Peter Marshall's eternal argument of it being \"too loud,\" and the handling of bluffs being such that they imply that ANY Celebrity could come up with something funny to say. I will say, however, that the show really lost my interest in, ironically, the season GSN is showing now, with the loss of a certain favorite panelist I won't shut up about and the out-of-place bonus round.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 07:46 PM\'] [quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 01:08 PM\'] But with Match Game, people still recognize Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly (and Betty White when she's in the sixth seat). I remember when ET did a feature on MG a year or two back, Brett said she was amazed that she gets fan mail from teenagers. [/quote]
Now, if GSN announces it will be replacing all Rayburn MG's with repeats of MG98 (can't have those numbers-killing, nasty OLD people -- pauses to spit on ground -- infesting our channel...Judy Tenuta equals RATINGS, dammit!!), I will truly be in horror.
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Don't laugh---MG98 was edgy, after all. Thank goodness the tapes are presumed lost.
it is more contemporary for our viewers now
So those of us who watched Marshall HS, in their eyes, weren't watching at all....at least, that's how I interpret this one.
Nick GAS is getting more and more airtime in this neck of the woods these days.....
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Don't laugh---MG98 was edgy, after all. Thank goodness the tapes are presumed lost.
Whomever is presuming that is being awfully...presumptuous. I don't care how much of a train wreck the show might have been, there's absolutely no way that a major television production from five years ago is \"lost\".
\"Buried\" on the other hand....
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 07:05 PM\'] [quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 07:46 PM\'] [quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 01:08 PM\'] But with Match Game, people still recognize Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly (and Betty White when she's in the sixth seat). I remember when ET did a feature on MG a year or two back, Brett said she was amazed that she gets fan mail from teenagers. [/quote]
Now, if GSN announces it will be replacing all Rayburn MG's with repeats of MG98 (can't have those numbers-killing, nasty OLD people -- pauses to spit on ground -- infesting our channel...Judy Tenuta equals RATINGS, dammit!!), I will truly be in horror.
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Don't laugh---MG98 was edgy, after all. Thank goodness the tapes are presumed lost.
it is more contemporary for our viewers now
So those of us who watched Marshall HS, in their eyes, weren't watching at all....at least, that's how I interpret this one.
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No, no, no...like I said, the writing is on the wall. It's not that we weren't watching, it's that we are no longer wanted. Like it or not, the GSN as we knew it is close to extinction, if not there already. Ash to ash, dust to dust, fade to black...the memory remains (insert Marianne Faithfull singing \"La-la-la-la...\" here) (NOTE: If I misgave the lyrics here, sorry. Don't want angry Metallica fans emailing me)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 09:46 PM\'] I don't care how much of a train wreck the show might have been, there's absolutely no way that a major television production from five years ago is "lost".
"Buried" on the other hand.... [/quote]
I'd rather stick with the \"mistakenly burned\" theory myself
LOL
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But on another tangent...while I wish to see more Marshall HS, am I one of the only people left who thought the Bergeron ones were decent?
No, you weren't.
I am also going to go out on a limb and say... and bash all you want...that the Peter marshall Squares were, well, boring. There's something about them- the set's not as flashy, the jokes are kinda dated, (don't get me wrong, there are a few times I laughed out loud) but in general, i think the show was just too old and slow for new viewers to latch onto. We GS fans have been watching HS for years- via their orginal airings, or through tape trades, so we have an appreciation and fondness for them that most people wouldn't have. GS fans are the minority,...not the majority.
As for the \"fears\" that MG 98 will return...yeah right. I don't think so. The MG 7X version is more popular than any other version ran. They won't replace it with a failed, crtically panned revival anytime soon.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 10:27 PM\']
As for the "fears" that MG 98 will return...yeah right. I don't think so. The MG 7X version is more popular than any other version ran. They won't replace it with a failed, crtically panned revival anytime soon. [/quote]
Maybe they won't replace Rayburn with it, but I still say the day is near that it ends up on GSN. [as for the \"lost\" thing, I thought it was reported a while back at EZboard that Lillie Holstead and the MOSGM crew had searched for them and came up dry]
we are no longer wanted
And THAT is exactly why I'm bothered! My buck is as good as anyone else's, so to basically be told \"we want Little Jimmy's dollar over yours\" is a real kick in the (blank).
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Oct 8 2003, 07:03 PM\'] [quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 10:27 PM\']
As for the "fears" that MG 98 will return...yeah right. I don't think so. The MG 7X version is more popular than any other version ran. They won't replace it with a failed, crtically panned revival anytime soon. [/quote]
Maybe they won't replace Rayburn with it, but I still say the day is near that it ends up on GSN. [as for the "lost" thing, I thought it was reported a while back at EZboard that Lillie Holstead and the MOSGM crew had searched for them and came up dry]
we are no longer wanted
And THAT is exactly why I'm bothered! My buck is as good as anyone else's, so to basically be told "we want Little Jimmy's dollar over yours" is a real kick in the (blank). [/quote]
So it will turn up, yet no one can find it? Maybe our old buddy now at GSN has tapes of his own so he can forever admire his judging handiwork???? ;-)
As for your agreement on my statement, unfortunately I'm pretty much used to it now when it comes to entertainment in general. Not to sound high and mighty, but seems that just about everything -- TV, movies, music -- has been dumbed down now, and its effects on me range from unentertaining to sickening.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Oct 8 2003, 05:03 PM\'] And THAT is exactly why I'm bothered! My buck is as good as anyone else's, so to basically be told \"we want Little Jimmy's dollar over yours\" is a real kick in the (blank). [/quote]
And that is where your fallacy lies...your buck may be as good as anyone else's, but there are a WHOLE LOT MORE Little Jimmy's out there to get bucks from than there are PeterMarshallFans. (Or clemon79s, or Matt Ottingers, or whoever.) Or at least, GSN has reason to think so. Maybe they're wrong.
Don't look at it as them wanting Dollar \"A\" more than Dollar \"B\", because that's not the case. They want every dollar equally. But if they can only get one type of dollar, doesn't it make sense to go for the one that exists in greater numbers?
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I think the 1980-81 syndicated season from Vegas might have had a better chance to catch on with younger viewers, but perhaps not that much better of a chance.
My question now is how do we convince Nostalgia Television to make a run at the rights?
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Like it or not, the GSN as we knew it is close to extinction, if not there already.
That's what I've been thinking for a while. So basically there's nobody out there to cater to us \"hardcore\" fans.
I wonder if there ever will be again...
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Every cable net changes eventually. I thought HA! was perfect-but Jack Benny and Ernie Kovacs have given way to South Park and the Man Show. TNN is Spike, Fandango is no more, Most Extreme Elimintaton is in. FX-the former home of Breakfast Time and Backchat is now showing Major League Baseball! I am thankful for what GSN has showed in the past and there are still a lot of things for us-Black & White Overnight, Blockbusters, Family Feud and Match Game are still there. As with everything, GSN is evolving and changing, but through the magic of videotape I can still enjoy the way it was.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 08:46 AM\'] but through the magic of videotape I can still enjoy the way it was. [/quote]
I think you've hit it on the head. Assuming that GSN as we knew it is on the way out (and I don't share that Chicken Little attitude, but I recognize the right to an opinion), then people will simply go back to trading tapes to get their fix, just like we did before GSN. And those of us who don't wish to go to the bother of tape trading will simply learn to live without. I made it almost 28 years without GSN, I'm sure I can do it again if I have to.
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Well, I have noticed on several webpages(without naming sites or names) that several people are too snobby to open up to trading with those of us who didn't have GSN until 2000 or so. Point being, if we don't have much to offer from our collections, then what makes you think these people are gonna trade with us?
Food 4 thought....
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My first suggestion is that you trade with the ones who aren't snobby.
You can always find people who are willing to trade for just about anything, including something as simple as you taping shows off the air for them. That is unless you've created such a lousy reputation for yourself that once somebody knows your real name, they don't want to have anything to do with you.
This is hypothetical of course.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 06:47 AM\']IMy question now is how do we convince Nostalgia Television to make a run at the rights?[/quote]
Hold a seance--they don't exist anymore. (Well, as the low-distributed GoodLife TV.)
As I've noticed before, the complaints I read about GSN resonate with many other niche cable channels scrambling for limited advertising dollars. The most recent example is BBC America, where the British expatriates and Brit TV lovers are currently up in arms over the channel dropping the long-running BBC soap \"EastEnders,\" which had been running as of late on Saturday afternoons as an \"omnibus\" of the week's activities. The reasoning for cancellation, of course, was ratings (along with the fact that the show's expensive to purchase and because of the Beeb's byzantine structure BBCA has to pay top dollar for all of its shows and doesn't get discounts from its half-parent)--and what gets ratings on BBCA beyond the hardcore audience, particularly during the daytime, is the how-to/makeover genre (\"Changing Rooms,\" \"Ground Force,\" \"Home Invaders,\" etc.). The hardcore BBCA audience, who wants to see a wider variety of programming, complains about the overkill (and has a reason for being cynical about ratings, since Nielsen still isn't measuring in its regular surveys the digital tier homes that make up half of BBCA's subscribers), but BBCA says that it's putting on what draws the audiences that attract advertisers.
But despite the complaints from people on its forums and all of the talk of disconnecting the cable or satellite, what BBCA, GSN and the other niche channels know is that in the end, when the hardcore want to get their Brit TV jones beyond a couple of nights a week on public TV or their game shows jones beyond \"TPIR\" in the morning and \"Wheel\" and \"J!\" in the evening, they're going to come back to BBCA or GSN. They may not like it totally, but they'll come back--where else are they going to go?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 02:02 PM\'] (and has a reason for being cynical about ratings, since Nielsen still isn't measuring in its regular surveys the digital tier homes that make up half of BBCA's subscribers), [/quote]
I find that interesting. I was under the impression that the mass majority of GSN viewers over cable received the channel on the digital tier. I know I do. How many of you get it on a two-digit analog channel?
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Satellite....
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 08:38 PM\']How many of you get it on a two-digit analog channel?[/quote]
It's channel 30 on my cable system.
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 09:04 PM\']Satellite....[/quote]
Did you know about half of U.S. TV households cannot receive satellite signals? For example, small homes in large cities would find the signal blocked by the skyscrapers around them.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 08:38 PM\']
I find that interesting. I was under the impression that the mass majority of GSN viewers over cable received the channel on the digital tier. I know I do. How many of you get it on a two-digit analog channel? [/quote]
Channel 73 on Comcast Harrisburg..
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Time Warner Cable of Akron and Canton, Ohio-GSN moves from Digital channel 105 to analog 71 as of next week
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GSN's decision to let go of the Marshall HSQ altogether, and allow so many episodes to languish in a vault, is for me the final straw.
My interest in GSN is now down to one thing only, and that is the daytime TTTT episodes currently airing on B/W Overnight. Once that cycle of episodes is done, then there is nothing I will ever watch or tape on GSN again, barring the unlikely possibility of shows like $20,000 Pyramid or Break The Bank being added to the schedule and giving me a chance to get episodes I don't have of shows like that.
To answer the question: \"They may not like it totally, but they'll come back--where else are they going to go?\", the answer in my case is thankfully a well-assembled video collection of nearly 5000 episodes of classic programming assembled since 1994 (and since 1997 in GSN programming which includes all the rare gems of the DP era and almost all Marshall HSQ that were aired) that will more than suit all my game show needs whenever I want to watch any. Until then, thanks for the memories GSN, but I'm about to file for divorce as a viewer with no regrets.
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Time Warner Cable of Akron and Canton, Ohio-GSN moves from Digital channel 105 to analog 71 as of next week
(insert longshot cue here...) WHAT? This is the first I have heard of this...let me find out and i hope that it's true!!!
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Channel 55 analog (formerly 28--Is that a bad sign?)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 09:57 AM\'] Channel 55 analog (formerly 28--Is that a bad sign?) [/quote]
I wonder which cable system would win the award for having GSN on the lowest position on the dial...:)
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 01:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 09:57 AM\'] Channel 55 analog (formerly 28--Is that a bad sign?) [/quote]
I wonder which cable system would win the award for having GSN on the lowest position on the dial...:) [/quote]
Channel 376 on Digital, on the lowest tier possible, after being 204 on the highest tier possible. This is Mediacom in central Iowa, BTW.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 11:48 AM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 09:57 AM\'] Channel 55 analog (formerly 28--Is that a bad sign?) [/quote]
I wonder which cable system would win the award for having GSN on the lowest position on the dial...:) [/quote]
This (if the link works) (http://\"http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com/edit_preview.asp?partner_id=national&zipcode=91104&system=99332\") is the channel lineup of Altrio Communications, the \"overbuilt\" (second) cable system in Pasadena, California.
If GSN is on a channel number lower than that on any other cable system, I'll watch six hours of TTD '90.
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This (if the link works) is the channel lineup of Altrio Communications, the \"overbuilt\" (second) cable system in Pasadena, California.
If GSN is on a channel number lower than that on any other cable system, I'll watch six hours of TTD '90.
Kind of reminds me of my local cable company's placement of Cartoon Network on the lineup before the local Fox affiliate came to Anchorage in the very early 90's. Sandwiched between Sci-Fi on 3 and a very poorly run local UPN affiliate on 5, followed by USA on 6. Gee, those were the days... I'm sorry, what was this conversation about again?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 02:02 PM\'] in the evening, they're going to come back to BBCA or GSN. They may not like it totally, but they'll come back--where else are they going to go? [/quote]
That's a crappy attitude for a channel to take, and they'd have to be stupid to rely on it.
People find *substitutes*, they don't just accept lukewarm replacemants for the shows they love. They'll search every channel until they find new shows they really like.
Now that GSN hardly has anything worth watching, I tune into TLC, Discovery, and BBC Canada way more than I used to. I don't just watch whatever crap original might be on GSN.
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Locally, GSN was moved off of ch 161 (digital) to 66 (analog). I waited to post it because I wanted to be sure it was 24/7.
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Q1 cable (http://\"http://www.q1.net\") channel 56.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 05:31 AM\'] From tvgameshows.net
GSN Gives Up Original Hollywood Squares Package
"We had a limited amount of programming slots available and we had to choose between the new and old version of The Hollywood Squares," a GSN spokesperson said. "So we went with the newer version because it is more contemporary for our viewers now. More recognizable actors on that show."
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They likely gave up those episodes since they get the current run of HS more-or-less for free via Sony (I recall the rerun rights to Bergeron HS going to GSN as part of the settlement for even creating this version)
The eps they're airing are definately new-to-GSN since they have the ultra annoying HS logo on the screen and they're from the 2002 season (one wonders when they get through them if they'll go to the 2003 fonz-produced eps which I haven't seen)
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[quote name=\'trainman\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 07:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 11:48 AM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 09:57 AM\'] Channel 55 analog (formerly 28--Is that a bad sign?) [/quote]
I wonder which cable system would win the award for having GSN on the lowest position on the dial...:) [/quote]
This (if the link works) (http://\"http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com/edit_preview.asp?partner_id=national&zipcode=91104&system=99332\") is the channel lineup of Altrio Communications, the "overbuilt" (second) cable system in Pasadena, California.
If GSN is on a channel number lower than that on any other cable system, I'll watch six hours of TTD '90. [/quote]
If I am not mistaken, the timeshare we were staying in on Kauai last month found GSN in the channel 40-something range. However it shared channel space with one of the C-SPAN channels.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Oct 16 2003, 06:21 PM\'] [quote name=\'trainman\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 07:00 PM\'] If GSN is on a channel number lower than that on any other cable system, I'll watch six hours of TTD '90. [/quote]
If I am not mistaken, the timeshare we were staying in on Kauai last month found GSN in the channel 40-something range. However it shared channel space with one of the C-SPAN channels. [/quote]
That's not lower than Channel 6, so I guess I won't have to watch TTD '90.
Actually, GSN used to be on a fairly low-numbered analog channel on my cable system (Adelphia, formerly TCI, San Fernando Valley, CA): Channel 37. Except from 10:00 P.M. to 6:00 A.M., when the Playboy Channel was there instead.
Once Adelphia got around to enforcing their "family-friendly" policy on this system, that GSN/Playboy channel was replaced with the Travel Channel.
GSN was also available, and is still available, 24 hours a day on the digital lineup, in the familiar Channel 161 position.
(Now that the Rigases are no longer in control of Adelphia, Playboy is back, as a digital channel only. Cable systems make a lot of money on adult pay-per-view.)
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[quote name=\'cac8383\' date=\'Oct 18 2003, 12:22 AM\'] Does Channel 99 mean anything? On Charter Communications. Please don't torture me with Mr. "You're Right!" [/quote]
My cable company is Charter. Here, 99 is Empty-V...er, MTV.
ObGameShows: Remote Control was da bomb, but I didn't mind Turn it Up!.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 06:47 AM\'] I think the 1980-81 syndicated season from Vegas might have had a better chance to catch on with younger viewers, but perhaps not that much better of a chance.
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The era immediately before the Vegas run would've been great. There were a lot of modern-day recognizable celebs in that bunch, like John Ritter.
I have always felt the shows burned out too quickly because there were so few and they were so heavily run in the first place. "Match Game" didn't tire out so quickly because there are several thousand shows in that package IIRC, as opposed to the measly 130 or so in the Marshall Squares package.
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[quote name=\'cac8383\' date=\'Oct 17 2003, 10:22 PM\'] Does Channel 99 mean anything? [/quote]
To the average viewer, that's not a very low channel number, but to the technicians at a cable system, it is. In terms of the frequency in megahertz at which they're sent through the cable, cable channels 95 through 99 are between channel 6 and, um, channel 14. (In cable TV frequencies, channels 14 through 22 are below channels 7 through 13. Yes, it's very bizarre.)
Actually, here's a chart that shows this: http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/cablech.html (http://\"http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/cablech.html\")
In practice, few cable systems choose to use channels 95 through 97 due to interference from FM radio broadcasts.
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I have always felt the shows burned out too quickly because there were so few and they were so heavily run in the first place. "Match Game" didn't tire out so quickly because there are several thousand shows in that package IIRC, as opposed to the measly 130 or so in the Marshall Squares package.
I've wondered the same thing. When you look at the "classic" shows on GSN's schedule, the ONLY shows that they run the whole libraries of are "Match Game" and "Family Feud". Every other show they only run a limited portion of - over and over. It's annoying - especially since some of those same shows were easy access for GSN years ago. In other words, they were able to run just about any season they wanted, and are now seemingly stuck with one.
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What about the other Goodson-Todman shows airing on GSN currently - "Card Sharks", "Blockbusters", "What's my Line", "To Tell The Truth", "I've Got a Secret", and "Password"?
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[quote name=\'dheine1971\' date=\'Oct 21 2003, 08:08 AM\'] What about the other Goodson-Todman shows airing on GSN currently - "Card Sharks", "Blockbusters", "What's my Line", "To Tell The Truth", "I've Got a Secret", and "Password"? [/quote]
They've aired all of Eubanks CS's run from the beginning of it through Summer 1988. When the EST 11:30AM 1988 episodes ended their six month run in April 2002, and the Thursday vertivision blocks ended two weeks ago(which were a continuation of the 4:30PM airing from May 2001-June 2002, 1:30PM airing from June 2002-January 2003, and finally returned in March 2003 at 9:30AM before the blocks began in June), they ended at roughly the same point(give or take a few weeks) in the run. The weekend run didn't shift over to where the Vertivision blocks left off. Ergo, they do air more than 200 episodes of a run of GT shows when they feel like leaving something on the schedule long enough(Perry CS did manage to get through the entire run from APril 1998-mid-2001, and then about halfway through the run again from mid-2001-January 2003). SUper Password on the other hand hasn't gotten beyond the first year of the run anytime since the Dark Period ended(save for a few episodes in August 2002 as part of Breakfast with the Stars, and one month of Fall 1986 shows aired in September 2002)
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SUper Password on the other hand hasn't gotten beyond the first year of the run anytime since the Dark Period ended(save for a few episodes in August 2002 as part of Breakfast with the Stars, and one month of Fall 1986 shows aired in September 2002)
If anyone's interested, I have a list on my site of everything GSN has aired since they went on the air. It's here:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/St...n/2357/gsn.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Station/2357/gsn.html\")
If anyone has any changes or corrections, please feel free to let me know.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 05:31 AM\'] From tvgameshows.net
GSN Gives Up Original Hollywood Squares Package
In a decision which will undoubtedly draw a mixed bag reaction from its viewers, Game Show Network has opted to give up its package of original Hollywood Squares episodes.
The network used the Tom Bergeron episodes during its summer Friday vertivision daytime format.
"We had a limited amount of programming slots available and we had to choose between the new and old version of The Hollywood Squares," a GSN spokesperson said. "So we went with the newer version because it is more contemporary for our viewers now. More recognizable actors on that show."
A series of 130 of the Peter Marshall episodes began running in the spring of 2002 but never drew strong ratings or young demographics.
The Bergeron episodes are now airing during GSN's morning lineups seven days a week. [/quote]
I don't know who I want to kick worse; GSN for dropping Classic HS or NBC for wiping clean the lion's share of its original network daytime tapes for reuse!
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im not suprised, i thought the marshall eps were too serious at times especally that dumb rule allowing celebs to pass (wasnt the whole idea to ad lib a bluff if you didnt know. only celeb i really saw do that was Winker on that version)
But I do think that they should have kept the shows they had and added it to their late night schedule, Actually with today's audience instead of B&WO they should make it late night classics and go with some other classics that are lost to time.
However I will say I agree about the double 100k and W L or D runs, not needed, id rather see an original repeat than that (namely whammy). Couldnt they at least use something like Blockbusters, PYL or CS just to avoid the repetition, since they have used alot and i mean alot of mutiple running, I think PYL would do better than a 2nd W L or D personally (even though i do like W L or D and think its 7pm slot works fine)
I will say i wont miss marshall squares that much, my bigger gripe is going to 80s Lmad 5 days a week...it is a good version, but the chemistry is not there and the prizes didnt go up with inflation, however the presentation is 5000x better of course with the cheesy doors to match the contestants costumes. Id reserve this to the weekends...but really no major gripes with the classics, ridding whammy and RR burns me a little more
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 09:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 02:02 PM\'] (and has a reason for being cynical about ratings, since Nielsen still isn't measuring in its regular surveys the digital tier homes that make up half of BBCA's subscribers), [/quote]
I find that interesting. I was under the impression that the mass majority of GSN viewers over cable received the channel on the digital tier. I know I do. How many of you get it on a two-digit analog channel? [/quote]
I do.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Oct 7 2003, 07:05 PM\'] Don't laugh---MG98 was edgy, after all. Thank goodness the tapes are presumed lost.
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Well...the original tapes anyway....I think I'm the only person on the face of the earth that has most of the MG98 shows on tape...I used to tape them off WGN when they aired it at like 2am so I could watch it later. I know...I should be ashamed of myself. :-p