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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: toetyper on November 27, 2007, 10:22:58 PM
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real game show fans should know this INSTANTLY
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That's interesting, because I count myself as a "real" fan, and I have no idea what this number means.
/as opposed to those pesky imitation fans
//never settle
///unless settling has a gold coin on it.
EDIT: Oh, I get it now. But so what?
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What Fremantle should owe each viewer for watching Temptation?
\I guess all 12 of us should be receiving a check soon
\\or lots of love
\\\either way, I have no clue. sorry.
Edit: Ah, now I get it. Took me a few minutes.
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Oh, that's [color=\"#FFFFFF\"]a perfect score in a game of Jeopardy[/color].
(Spoilerized to let everyone else play along.)
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My first thought was, it's how much a million dollar winner on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? would wind up with after government taxes. Then I noticed that there's a period instead of a comma between the second 6 and the 4, so now I'm wondering if it's not a slightly more generous than normal prize on a hypothesized network remake of The Gong Show.
/That, or it's the new SAG scale minimum for a day of work.
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door no 4 is correct
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'170660\' date=\'Nov 27 2007, 11:06 PM\']
door no 4 is correct
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I figured this out after a math quiz my junior year.
For whatever reason, I've never forgotten it.
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'170652\' date=\'Nov 27 2007, 07:22 PM\']
real game show fans should know this INSTANTLY
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Suggesting this makes you look like an incredible ass.
/didn't know either
//isn't concerned whether you think he's a "real" fan or not
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[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'170655\' date=\'Nov 27 2007, 10:33 PM\']
What Fremantle should owe each viewer for watching Temptation?
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Still not enough.
/where's the other 11 now
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Can we just lock this thread?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'170666\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 06:09 AM\'] [quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'170655\' date=\'Nov 27 2007, 10:33 PM\']What Fremantle should owe each viewer for watching Temptation?
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Still not enough.
/where's the other 11 now [/quote]
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'170667\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 07:44 AM\']Can we just lock this thread?[/quote]
/where's the other 10 now
(I keeeed - I only cancelled my recordings last month)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'170665\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 03:07 AM\']
[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'170652\' date=\'Nov 27 2007, 07:22 PM\']
real game show fans should know this INSTANTLY
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Suggesting this makes you look like an incredible ass.
/didn't know either
//isn't concerned whether you think he's a "real" fan or not
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While I consider myself a "real" fan--despite the fact that I didn't have an answer original enough to contribute to the "what's the most obscure fact you know" thread--I didn't *know* this answer. However, it was my first guess.
Toetyper should remember, though, that different versions of J! have had different value systems. You sure as hell couldn't pull down $566K during Fleming's run.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'170670\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 08:56 AM\']I didn't have an answer original enough to contribute to the "what's the most obscure fact you know" thread--I didn't *know* this answer.[/quote]
And that's where this should be- in the "What's the most fanboyish fact...." thread. But for this guy to create a new thread and then tell us what we should know as game show fans is totally asinine.
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Also, wouldn't this assume that your Daily Doubles were the absolutely last space(s) picked on the board? I tried this math problem a few years ago (before the last money bump), but I was putting the DDs at the highest dollar value on the board each time.
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[quote name=\'entguy1\' post=\'170674\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 09:30 AM\']
Also, wouldn't this assume that your Daily Doubles were the absolutely last space(s) picked on the board? I tried this math problem a few years ago (before the last money bump), but I was putting the DDs at the highest dollar value on the board each time.
[/quote]You would be right. To get $566,400:
-Every clue must be answered correctly.
-All Daily Doubles must be in the top row of the board, and picked last.
-You would have to wager everything on every Daily Double and Final Jeopardy.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'170666\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 08:09 AM\']
[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'170655\' date=\'Nov 27 2007, 10:33 PM\']
What Fremantle should owe each viewer for watching Temptation?
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Still not enough.
/where's the other 11 now
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I thought the $566,400 was the total budget for Temptation for the next 5 Years.
/Do I count as one of the remaining 11 since I only had it on as background noise at work?
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'170677\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 10:55 AM\']
To get $566,400:
-Every clue must be answered correctly.
-All Daily Doubles must be in the top row of the board, and picked last.
-You would have to wager everything on every Daily Double and Final Jeopardy.[/quote]
What always amuses me when this number is floated around is that inevitably, some smart-aleck will pick one tiny thing that's wrong with the logic of it, as if the entire thing wasn't preposterous enough as it is. Forget that the same person would have to answer all the clues correctly, they'll say something like, "But the Daily Doubles are NEVER in the top row!" and think it makes them look like a genius.
My favorite was a thread I saw a while back where the guy insisted that the "real" number was $566,399 because after all that, the player would hold back one dollar in Final Jeopardy or else he wouldn't get to return if he missed it.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'170682\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 12:08 PM\']
/Do I count as one of the remaining 11 since I only had it on as background noise at work?
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Make that remaining 12. Verizon FiOS in Richmond, VA decided to add the digital-only MyTV Richmond affiliate to the lineup last week, so I started DVRing it. It's...well, a game show. :-)
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[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'170718\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 05:06 PM\']
It's...well, a game show. :-)
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Much in the same sense that Taco Bell is, well, Mexican food.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'170677\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 09:55 AM\']
You would be right. To get $566,400:
-Every clue must be answered correctly.
-All Daily Doubles must be in the top row of the board, and picked last.
-You would have to wager everything on every Daily Double and Final Jeopardy.
[/quote]
This leads me to the non-smart-aleck question: How frequently are the Daily Doubles placed in the top 2 rows on the board? I don't recall any of the J! clues "Daily Double Active" in either row, so I would guess the chances of reaching the maximum makes it even less (?)
\I'm definitely not a statistician, so I wouldn't dare give an estimate
\\and the Temptation budget should be adjusted for "Lots of Love" inflation. I'm guessing 8 1/3 years
\\\IF they ever make it past this one.
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I watched almost every day for its first 20 years. In that time I recall seeing a DD in the top row once. I've probably seen it in the second row no more than ten times.
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It was in the top row at least once in the past three years or so. It was mentioned on the board.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'170752\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 08:25 PM\']
It was in the top row at least once in the past three years or so. It was mentioned on the board.[/quote]
According to the fan-run Jeopardy Archive, it happened during the Jeopardy round of an episode in the 2005-2006 season. Their records are complete for the past three seasons, and that's the only instance.
Crunching the numbers available on the site yields these frequencies of DD placements over the past three seasons:
Jeopardy Round:
$ 400 - 7%
$ 600 - 25%
$ 800 - 37%
$1000 - 31%
Double Jeopardy Round:
$ 800 - 16%
$1200 - 27%
$1600 - 36%
$2000 - 21%
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'170691\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 01:06 PM\']
My favorite was a thread I saw a while back where the guy insisted that the "real" number was $566,399 because after all that, the player would hold back one dollar in Final Jeopardy or else he wouldn't get to return if he missed it.
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Using that logic (as flawed as it is) The correct answer would then be $566,393 as you would have to also need to save $1 on each of the last two daily double bets to assure you can come back.(saving the dollar on each bet costs you 7 in the end)
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[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'170771\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 07:18 PM\']Using that logic (as flawed as it is) The correct answer would then be $566,393 as you would have to also need to save $1 on each of the last two daily double bets to assure you can come back.(saving the dollar on each bet costs you 7 in the end)[/quote]But you can't do that.
"What is the maximum amount of money a contestant can win on an episode of Jeopardy! under normal conditions (no extra categories or other bonuses)?"
"$566,400."
That guy from before can claim that 566399 is right until he bleeds strawberry ice cream from his rectum, but that doesn't make it so. And it's not preposterous, it's just a fact if you do the math. Does this sort of thing live off in the land of theory, hypothetical and make-believe? Of course. In 25 years, the closest anyone has gotten is 75000 out of that; a bit more than 13%. (I don't remember if anyone played a better game percentage-wise back in the Art days.) Sure, all of those random things have to fall into place, and one of those hasn't even been possible because of the DD layout. But that doesn't make the maximum amount any less factual.
But for what it is, it's hardly an interesting puzzle or anything. Anyone who knows the rules of the game and who can do careful math can arrive at the answer, as opposed to that thread from eons ago where someone asked what was the maximum prize on The 3 Ws.
And I'll say it again: I take great offense at being told that I'm somehow less of a game show fan just because the answer didn't instantly go to my head. I actually didn't make the connection until I divided the number in half.
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I agree with you.
I said the logic was flawed(read wrong).
I was trying to point it was doubley stupid becuase even using this guy's own assumption, he was wrong.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'170758\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 07:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'170752\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 08:25 PM\']
It was in the top row at least once in the past three years or so. It was mentioned on the board.[/quote]
According to the fan-run Jeopardy Archive, it happened during the Jeopardy round of an episode in the 2005-2006 season. Their records are complete for the past three seasons, and that's the only instance.
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It also happened during the ToC in 1987:
http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=81 (http://\"http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=81\")
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It's fairly well hidden in the navigation, and it apparently gives the server fits by finding and adding up all the numbers each time the page is displayed, but here (http://\"http://www.j-archive.com/ddstats.php\") is the Archive's cumulative DD stats page. Five top-row DDs have been archived.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'170772\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 10:34 PM\']And it's not preposterous, it's just a fact if you do the math.
Sure, all of those random things have to fall into place, and one of those hasn't even been possible because of the DD layout. But that doesn't make the maximum amount any less factual. [/quote]
It's fairly interesting as a mathematical exercise, and in that exercise there is a correct, factual answer. But in the real world, between the things that would never happen, the things that should never happen and the things that could never happen, 'preposterous' is the best word I can come up with.
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Five hundred sixty six thousand, four hundred dollars...How do you measure...a perfect game?
/Came up in iTunes, and this came to mind.
//Try telling me I'm not a game show fan. I dare ya.
///I'm also a Broadway musical fan.
////And I know what you're thinking, and no, I'm not.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'170917\' date=\'Nov 30 2007, 12:59 AM\']
Five hundred sixty six thousand, four hundred dollars...How do you measure...a perfect game?
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Nicely done.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'170929\' date=\'Nov 30 2007, 08:33 AM\']
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'170917\' date=\'Nov 30 2007, 12:59 AM\']
Five hundred sixty six thousand, four hundred dollars...How do you measure...a perfect game?
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Nicely done.
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Seconded.
/But I can't pay the rent!
//But you 'must' pay the rent!
///I like handlebar mustaches.
////I'm getting OT.
/////I'm off to the OTB.
//////$2 on #4 to place.
///////I never cared for "Celebrity Sweepstakes"
////////Hey! Back on topic!
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'170931\' date=\'Nov 30 2007, 08:52 AM\']
/But I can't pay the rent!
//But you 'must' pay the rent!
///I like handlebar mustaches.
////I'm getting OT.
/////I'm off to the OTB.
//////$2 on #4 to place.
///////I never cared for "Celebrity Sweepstakes"
////////Hey! Back on topic!
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And, since this was in a reference to a musical, would that be considered one of "Tommy Oliver's Tune Topics"?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'170917\' date=\'Nov 29 2007, 09:59 PM\']
////And I know what you're thinking, and no, I'm not.
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Darn! ;)
Also file me under the "Loves Jeopardy!, but had no clue of that number".
//Do you know how tough it is to find someone who likes Game Shows?