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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: PYLW on November 13, 2007, 06:43:20 PM
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Gah, my post is gone. To make a long story short, I'm going to be going there tomorrow. I know the 2000th episode of Fleming Jeopardy! is in there, but does anyone know what else is in there, game show wise, of any note? Thanks.
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There are tons of game shows in there, recent as well as classic. My best suggestion is to go in there with a list of titles or personalities written down (you'll forget some if you just try to memorize it) and just plug them all into the excellent search resource until you find something you want. Alternately, I think you can specifically search for the category of 'game show', but you run the risk of missing something that's been incorrectly tagged.
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'169433\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 06:43 PM\']
Gah, my post is gone. To make a long story short, I'm going to be going there tomorrow. I know the 2000th episode of Fleming Jeopardy! is in there, but does anyone know what else is in there, game show wise, of any note? Thanks.
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When I went, I saw a couple of Woolery Wheels (a 1976 tournament of champions* and a generic one from 1978), a Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour, Gambit, Trebek High Rollers (from the first run), and an ep. of The Money Maze (not the pilot floating on the circuit). That's what I can remember, but there's plenty of other stuff, including some gems taped by Andy Warhol, c. 1975 or 76.
Somewhere floating around the Interwebs, you can find a list of shows, compiled by one of the posters.
*SMALL SPOILER: [color=\"white\"]The champion from that tournament, Judy Bonganine (I think that was it), appears in Maxene Fabe's 1979 book. She also appears on said episode.[/color]
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Ahh, thanks Matt. This is my first time in there, so I don't know what to expect, really. That was what I was planning on doing, though. Is there a limit on what you can pick? I'm guessing it's around 4 shows?
EDIT: Ooo, thanks fostergray. I've always wondered what the first run of Trebek High Rollers looked like. And I've always wanted to view Gambit. Thanks. :D
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'169439\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 06:51 PM\']
Ahh, thanks Matt. This is my first time in there, so I don't know what to expect, really. That was what I was planning on doing, though. Is there a limit on what you can pick? I'm guessing it's around 4 shows?[/quote]
There are limits both on the number of shows you select and how long you can be in the viewing center. I think you're able to select four shows, but theoretically you only get to spend an hour watching them. At least that was the surprising limit when I visited in April. Still, I don't think anybody will hover over you with a stopwatch.
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'169439\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 06:51 PM\']EDIT: Ooo, thanks fostergray. I've always wondered what the first run of Trebek High Rollers looked like.[/quote]
If this is the same mid-70s Trebek High Rollers as the one in Beverly Hills, definitely watch this. The air date of the ep. I saw was July 4, 1975.
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I happen to be a member of the Paley Center (only $50 for a student, and I currently live in NYC), so I have some comments:
1) I'd advise to search by title, and, even more so, by words in the title. Searching by subject category or by personality names is problematic due to the quality of the cataloging (there are quite a few programs in the collection that haven't been fully cataloged), and some of the listings do not have full titles (for instance, the word "Magnificent" is missing from one of the listings for the Magnificent Marble Machine).
2) The viewing limit for non-members is two programs of no more than one hour in length, though, as pointed out, the strictness of this depends on how busy the museum is. Also, the time given in the viewing center is always somewhat longer than the length of the selected programs.
3) As for holdings, the game show collection includes, among other things, an episode of We Interrupt This Week with Gore Vidal on the panel, a Movie Game with some unlikely appearances, an episode available for viewing (and several which aren't) of a version of Information Please not in the common records, some local material, the two known color Bob Clayton Concentrations, the last episode of Johnny Carson's Who Do You Trust? run, and quite a few other rarities from 1949 onwards.
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I visited the LA museum last April and they were very lenient. I'm not a member. They let me pick out 2 hours worth of material (any combination adding up to 2 hours) and if you got done with it in less time than that (I just wanted to take peeks at as much as I could since I had no idea when I'd ever be back in LA) you can go back and pick out more material.
Greg
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'169445\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 07:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'169439\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 06:51 PM\']EDIT: Ooo, thanks fostergray. I've always wondered what the first run of Trebek High Rollers looked like.[/quote]
If this is the same mid-70s Trebek High Rollers as the one in Beverly Hills, definitely watch this. The air date of the ep. I saw was July 4, 1975.
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I'm thinking of the episode where [color=\"white\"]Ruta bumps her head on the chandelier as she enters[/color]...and IIRC, the first couple of seconds of the intro are missing, at least the visual portion.
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And if you want to go way off the board, check out 'You're on Your Own', a mid-50's Barry pilot or 'You're Putting Me on', a 1969 Bob Stewart pilot. The Money Maze episode is real good as well.
--Mike
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There's also an episode of Celebrity Sweepstakes from 1976 with original commercials, taped by Andy Warhol.
Incidentally, I read somewhere that Andy was a huge television/game show fan, and the shows of his that the Paley Center owns were recorded by him placing a video camera in front of the television in his living room.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'169457\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 08:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'169445\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 07:13 PM\']
If this is the same mid-70s Trebek High Rollers as the one in Beverly Hills, definitely watch this. The air date of the ep. I saw was July 4, 1975.
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I'm thinking of the episode where [color=\"white\"]Ruta bumps her head on the chandelier as she enters[/color]...and IIRC, the first couple of seconds of the intro are missing, at least the visual portion.
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That's the 7/4/75 ep, but there's a second one in the Center's collection as well -- can't recall the date offhand but its entry in the catalog notes that it's part of the Warhol collection that Brandon mentioned. That one does have the intro intact, if my memory is correct. (The Moneymaze episode Mike cited is part of the same collection.)
Other goodies/oddities:
- the same episode of Jack Clark's The Cross-Wits that's in trading circles, except complete rather than just the first 10 minutes that traders have
- a test episode of Jeopardy! from 1964 with some very, very strict judging
- several episodes of Marshall Hollywood Squares, including an hour-long special episode from the 10th Anniversary Week that has multiple celebrities in each square over the course of the show
- an episode of The Neighbors with Regis Philbin (another Warhol recording)
- the pilot for the '50s run of Tic Tac Dough, with Jack Barry hosting
- one episode of Knockout with Arte Johnson
- one episode of To Say the Least from the same day as the Knockout episode
Enjoy!
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'169460\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:35 PM\']
Incidentally, I read somewhere that Andy was a huge television/game show fan, and the shows of his that the Paley Center owns were recorded by him placing a video camera in front of the television in his living room.
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I've seen a bunch of the episodes he recorded and the quality is far too good to have come from a camera placed front of the TV. It's far more likely, given his means, that he was able to buy one of the early VCRs and used that.
As you were told regarding the Globe story, you need to be more careful with your sources.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'169460\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:35 PM\']Incidentally, I read somewhere that Andy was a huge television/game show fan, and the shows of his that the Paley Center owns were recorded by him placing a video camera in front of the television in his living room.[/quote]
. . . beginning a tradition valiantly carried on, even today, by YouTubers worldwide.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'169460\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 06:35 PM\']
the shows of his that the Paley Center owns were recorded by him placing a video camera in front of the television in his living room.
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Who knew that Warhole would inspire a movement on You Tube?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'169461\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:39 PM\']
- the same episode of Jack Clark's The Cross-Wits that's in trading circles, except complete rather than just the first 10 minutes that traders have
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Would this be an episode that you have to reserve in advance? When I visited in 2003, the computer mentioned that it wasn't available for immediate viewing.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'169468\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 10:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'169461\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:39 PM\']
- the same episode of Jack Clark's The Cross-Wits that's in trading circles, except complete rather than just the first 10 minutes that traders have[/quote]
Would this be an episode that you have to reserve in advance? When I visited in 2003, the computer mentioned that it wasn't available for immediate viewing.[/quote]
When I went to the LA center in 2005, that episode was available. It's another episode worth watching.
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The secret to finding the rare game shows at the museum is to enter "Andy Warhol" into the computer.
The quality of the shows are pristine ; they were NOT filmed with a camera pointed at the tube.
There is also a Bob Barker Truth or Consequences that I enjoyed tremendously. It showed his devilish humor well.... and , all jokes aside, it's part of originally what made him a damn good television personality.
Enjoy!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'169468\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 10:15 PM\']
Would this be an episode that you have to reserve in advance? When I visited in 2003, the computer mentioned that it wasn't available for immediate viewing.
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At least in NYC, reservation in advance no longer exists. The episode you want is either available or not, and that episode was available as of September.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'169462\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'169460\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:35 PM\']
Incidentally, I read somewhere that Andy was a huge television/game show fan, and the shows of his that the Paley Center owns were recorded by him placing a video camera in front of the television in his living room.
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I've seen a bunch of the episodes he recorded and the quality is far too good to have come from a camera placed front of the TV. It's far more likely, given his means, that he was able to buy one of the early VCRs and used that.
As you were told regarding the Globe story, you need to be more careful with your sources.
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This was merely information provided to me by the museum itself, back when it was known as the Museum of Television and Radio...late 2005, IIRC.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'169477\' date=\'Nov 14 2007, 12:00 AM\']
This was merely information provided to me by the museum itself, back when it was known as the Museum of Television and Radio...late 2005, IIRC.
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If so, your source there was wrong, though since you apparently didn't see the tapes yourself I can understand why you would take it at face value. That said, "a representative of the Museum told me" is not the same thing as "I read (it) somewhere," and it's the latter that has gotten people into trouble.
I repeat: please be more careful, not only with your sources but also with citing them.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'169468\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 10:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'169461\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 09:39 PM\']
- the same episode of Jack Clark's The Cross-Wits that's in trading circles, except complete rather than just the first 10 minutes that traders have
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Would this be an episode that you have to reserve in advance? When I visited in 2003, the computer mentioned that it wasn't available for immediate viewing.
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It wasn't -- it was in the "archives" portion that supposedly required a reservation but I was able to watch it on my second attempt without having requested a transfer. The first time I tried, it had been transferred but, unfortunately, someone else was watching it at the same time I was there.
And I still want to know which one of you it was, because if I find out on my own, I'll lock the offender in the special David Sparks Isolation Booth for life. ;-)
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In my one trip to the Paley Center in 2002, I went really old-school and watched a George DeWitt-era "Name That Tune" with Johnny Olsen announcing and doing an on-camera commercial (one of the John Glenn/Eddie Hodges episodes--boy, that version gave me suspicions of being rigged) and an episode of the original "Strike It Rich"--watch it all the way through for proof of that show's exploitative and maudlin tendencies.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'169489\' date=\'Nov 14 2007, 09:39 AM\']
It wasn't -- it was in the "archives" portion that supposedly required a reservation but I was able to watch it on my second attempt without having requested a transfer. The first time I tried, it had been transferred but, unfortunately, someone else was watching it at the same time I was there.
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That's an important note to the visitor. Don't be afraid of the archives section. That's where most of the good stuff is, and there's not usually any trouble getting it.
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That's the 7/4/75 ep, but there's a second one in the Center's collection as well -- can't recall the date offhand but its entry in the catalog notes that it's part of the Warhol collection that Brandon mentioned. That one does have the intro intact, if my memory is correct. (The Moneymaze episode Mike cited is part of the same collection.)
Other goodies/oddities:
- one episode of Knockout with Arte Johnson
- one episode of To Say the Least from the same day as the Knockout episode
I was there in 2001 and saw that other episode of High Rollers - intro is intact. Unfortunately I wasn't able to see the Celebrity Sweepstakes or Money Maze ep at the time, as they were "unavailable". I hope to make it there again sometime in the future.
Anyone know if the episodes of Knockout and To Say the Least are the ones in the trade curcuit? I'd love to be able to pin down an air date for that Knockout episode, but there's absolutely no clues as to when it was.
If anyone's interested, I have figured out exact air dates for several of the Hit Man episodes that are out there because of some of the original commercials contained in one of them. I'll be updating them on my online list soon.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'169562\' date=\'Nov 14 2007, 08:32 PM\']
Anyone know if the episodes of Knockout and To Say the Least are the ones in the trade curcuit? I'd love to be able to pin down an air date for that Knockout episode, but there's absolutely no clues as to when it was.
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The Knockout episodes definitely aren't the same, because having seen the museum's episode already, I asked for the show in a trade expecting the same episode and it wasn't.
For what it's worth, one of the Paley Center's episodes of Hollywood Squares is also from the same day as the Knockout and To Say the Least episodes. At the end of one of the three — I'm obviously going from memory here but am almost positive that it was Squares — there's a news break from San Diego's KCST (now KNSD) that may help pinpoint the date if it's not in the catalog.
At one point the Paley Center announced plans to put its entire database online and perhaps make some shows available for viewing. Even if it's just the former, it would be useful.
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The entire lineup of NBC shows for 3/17/78 is available which includes episodes of HSQ, To Say The Least, Knockout and WOF that are *not* on the trade circuit.
Also there is a 1969 original Match Game in color with Tony Randall and Peggy Cass I believe as the guests.
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In case anyone's interested, I took notes during one of my visits and posted a report here (http://\"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/msg/f2bcfc15b1a719c6\"). On that particular trip I watched two episodes of Hollywood Squares (the 10th anniversary show I noted earlier and the Good Friday episode from 1976), the test episode of Jeopardy! (which also had a different rule regarding Daily Doubles that I'd forgotten about), and The Cross-Wits. It's nearly spoiler-free except for a few answers-and-questions cited as examples of the aforementioned strict judging on J!.
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'169566\' date=\'Nov 14 2007, 08:20 PM\']
The entire lineup of NBC shows for 3/17/78 is available which includes episodes of HSQ, To Say The Least, Knockout and WOF that are *not* on the trade circuit.
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Not to mention that day's GONG. But don't let that stop you. :)
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That was the one show in the group I didn't watch. :)
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'169566\' date=\'Nov 14 2007, 06:20 PM\']
The entire lineup of NBC shows for 3/17/78 is available which includes episodes of HSQ, To Say The Least, Knockout and WOF that are *not* on the trade circuit.[/quote]
To put various preceding messages together: the Paley Center has in its collection the entire broadcast day of March 17, 1978, from Channel 39 in San Diego. So once you've watched all the game shows, you can also see such things as Tom Brokaw on the "Today" show attempting to explain that this is the end of the show for half the country and the midpoint of the show for the other half.
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It was quite fun. I watched an episode of Celebrity Sweepstakes from 1975, great stuff. I don't want to spoil, but there's a few really cool things and little moments in the episode.
I also watched an episode of Trebek High Rollers from 1975, which was also great stuff. The set looks so much better, as compared to the later Trebek version. I took a few poor quality screenshots with the camera in my phone, so I may upload them if they look any sort of decent.
The video quality on both episodes was marvelous for the age. The Trebek High Rollers' intro was audio only, the video came up when Kenny introduced Alex. The gameplay is only slightly different.
Overall, it was great stuff and I am definitely going back again.
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The Trebek HR episode I saw in New York had a moment similar to the "Big Falldown" when the chandelier that lowered fell right on Ruta Lee's head as she came out, and Alex had to make sure she was okay.
Even more interesting is that one of the contestants was NFL placekicker Ray Wersching, whose career was just starting at that point. That was about the latest point in time where a professional athlete on a major league level team would still feel a need to go on TV to make a few extra bucks on a game show!
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'169596\' date=\'Nov 15 2007, 01:48 AM\'] The Trebek HR episode I saw in New York had a moment similar to the "Big Falldown" when the chandelier that lowered fell right on Ruta Lee's head as she came out, and Alex had to make sure she was okay.
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Oh wow, I didn't see that. Then again, the episode stopped before Ruta came out for some odd reason, so I may have hit fast forward for a little too long the second time I loaded it up.
Thanks for the tips, everyone. Searching for Andy Warhol's name was fantastic advice, very easily found a few of the many things I'd like to see there.
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'169596\' date=\'Nov 14 2007, 10:48 PM\']
Even more interesting is that one of the contestants was NFL placekicker Ray Wersching, whose career was just starting at that point.
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Did he stare at the floor a lot, and only look up after he rolled the dice? :)
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Some other things that I noticed were in their library:
An episode of Tattletales, no date mentioned.
- Two more Celebrity Sweepstakes episodes. Both said they were from 1976... they may be the same one just listed twice. I may have also mis-read it (I was rushing by then...), this could've been something else.
- An episode of Let's Make a Deal
- Two Woolery Wheel episodes, one from 1976 (From some tournament, forgot what the name was), and one from 1978
- I think around five episodes of Marshall Squares. Only one of them had the running time (An episode from 1978,) so I have no idea if the hour long episode is still there. Infact, the other episodes had no information at all, just Peter as the host.
- An episode of The Money Maze.
And for those Saturday Night Live buffs, the premiere is there as well, and in great quality according to my friend.
If I wasn't rushing to pick (The viewing library area was going to close in an hour and 10 minutes by then...), I probably would've been able to keep looking for more things. My apologies. I will hopefully get their earlier next time.
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I had gone over this past weekend(nyc). I went around 3pm when the center was having a tribute to scrubs. At 4pm I entered and since it was closing in a little while my ticket was free :). I was only allowed into the archives viewing room.
I choose "Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour" and "TV Funniest game show Moments pt 1" When I viewed "MGHSHour" I couldn't believe I already had the episode(first episode second week). Game Show moments I didn't have but it was fun to watch. by the time I was finished I had to leave with the group and the center was closing. If I had more time I would of looked for more episodes. I was a little disappointed that they didn't have the color Match Game episode from NBC, or maybe I didn't look hard enough, It was a good time. I had been going back and forth to NYC and this was the first time I stopped by. I should go back on a day trip.
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'169599\' date=\'Nov 15 2007, 02:19 AM\']
[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'169596\' date=\'Nov 15 2007, 01:48 AM\'] The Trebek HR episode I saw in New York had a moment similar to the "Big Falldown" when the chandelier that lowered fell right on Ruta Lee's head as she came out, and Alex had to make sure she was okay.
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Oh wow, I didn't see that. Then again, the episode stopped before Ruta came out for some odd reason, so I may have hit fast forward for a little too long the second time I loaded it up.
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The Paley Center has two episodes of High Rollers. The episode Paddon described is the one not in the Warhol collection (I think it has a studio master origin).
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Oh wow, didn't know there were two. Next time I go, I'm definitely seeing that. Does anyone know what the airdate of Warhol's episode is? Same for the other?
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'169610\' date=\'Nov 15 2007, 10:19 AM\']
- Two Woolery Wheel episodes, one from 1976 (From some tournament, forgot what the name was),
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For those of you keeping score at home, it was called the NBC All-Star Dream Machine Championship.
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The Paley Center also has an additional episode of "What's My Line?" from 1950 that is not in the Goodson library and has never aired on GSN, an August 1950 episode with New York Mayor William O'Dwyer. Evidently it was a kinescope saved from a different source.
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Chicago's Museum of Broadcast Communications has made their archive much more accessible recently, though you still have to register..(It's free to do so..)
http://archives.museum.tv/register (http://\"http://archives.museum.tv/register\")
Archive sign-up page..
Once you are in, you can search their database under various categories, one being quiz/panel/game..There are as of today 98 digital files available to view..be sure to check where it says "Digital File Available"..Among the shows available:
Down You Go (DuMont)
Beat The Clock
Concentration (1967)
Baby Game
It's Academic (Chicago) with NBC Peacock opening "Brought to you in Living Color by WMAQ-TV"-File is B&W though
It Takes Two
GE College Bowl (1959 and 60)
Jeopardy 6-27-74, 2-1972 (2000th ep.) and 1-3-75 Final of Fleming Version
Jeopardy Premiere 1984 (Trebek)
Just Men! 3-4-83
Masquerade Party (ABC) 1955
Pantomime Quiz (ABC) 1955
Music Bingo (NBC) 1958
Personality 1967
2ep. Queen For A Day ABC 1960
Public Prosecutor 1951-52 DuMont
Stump The Stars 1962 CBS
Supermarket Sweep both ABC 1966 and Lifetime 1991
This Is Your Life-several episodes from 1953-87
Tic Tac Dough NBC 1957
20 Questions DuMont 1952
Wheel of Fortune-1983 Syndicated Premiere
Just a representative sample..from early DuMont Shows all the way to Millionaire and Weakest Link..nice mix of game show history..
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I know there's an episode (or two) of Jackpot! (74-75), as well as a 1983 episode of "Dream House" in their collection.....
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[quote name=\'Steve_Bier\' post=\'169671\' date=\'Nov 16 2007, 10:42 AM\']
I know there's an episode (or two) of Jackpot! (74-75), as well as a 1983 episode of "Dream House" in their collection.....
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The episode of Jackpot! at the Paley Center is the one that aired the day before the episode on the trading circuit.
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MBC didn't have the first nighttime WOF episode but it does have another Season 1 WOF episode also from 1983, if you've been watching this episode the GSN graphic said it was "Recorded NOV 83" on the bottom left hand corner of your screen and they also have a BtC episode from 1/22/55 but the GSN graphic got it as "Aired Jan. '55" shown on the bottom left also and TTTT episode from 5/13/58 but GSN got this graphic that said "Aired May '58" on the bottom right I think.
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' post=\'169824\' date=\'Nov 18 2007, 02:01 PM\']
MBC didn't have the first nighttime WOF episode but it does have another Season 1 WOF episode also from 1983
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Since I actually understood some of what you said, I want to dispute whether it is or isn't the premiere.
1) Back on ATGS, someone brought up the first syndie episode, and Carmen playing for a Mazda truck, which, IIRC, was shown in that episode.
2) Wheel still bicycled in 1983, so some people saw that as the first episode, others saw something different (ATGS mentions a Pontiac Firebird).
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The museum also has an episode mid 70s of Tattletales with Gary Collins and Mary Ann Mobley, I forgot who the two other couples were but its another from the Andy Warhol collection and I'm heading this weekend to finish the year off right with some more game shows to check out
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On all my last visits to what was the Museum of Television & Radio in New York City within the last five years, I have seen within their collection including actually watching...
"The $20,000 Pyramid" (2/26/1979...with my own name attached to it in its database listing)
Four "Concentration" episodes (1958 Hugh Downs, two 1971-72 Bob Clayton's and 1974 Jack Narz)
Two "The Price Is Right" episodes (1958 Bill Cullen nighttime, 1982 Bob Barker daytime)
"The Money Maze" (1975)
"I've Got A Secret" (10th Anniversary 1962 episode)
"To Tell The Truth" (1967 nighttime finale)
"Password" (1963 nighttime episode)
"Eye Guess" (1967-68)
"Jeopardy!" (1972, 2000th broadcast)
"On The Spot" (KGW-TV Portland, Oregon local show-1980's)
"Tattletales" (1982)
"Match Game" (syndicated 1981 episode)
"Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour" (1983)
"Gambit" (1976 episode)
"To Say The Least" (1978)
"Wheel of Fortune" (1976 Tournament episode)
Also, and it is game show-related, a 1978-79 primetime special called "The 1978-79 Television Annual" that had a montage of clips in that genre introduced by Dick Clark. In addition, I have checked and looked at the 1979 Daytime Emmy Awards where host Bob Barker announces that he was disqualified for his nomination as Best Game Show Host (Dick Clark won the award instead).
Another great must-see example is the 1981 Daytime Emmy Awards presentation in their collection, where Peter Marshall (Best Game Show Host, "Hollywood Squares"), Bob Stewart (Best Game Show, "The $20,000 Pyramid") and Mike Garguilo (Best Game Show Director, "The $20,000 Pyramid") each accept their trophies in light of the fact that their respective shows were cancelled by the networks. Stewart himself jokingly remarked, "This is the second award we have won since we have been cancelled. We have won more awards off the air then we do on the air, which tells you something."
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[quote name=\'William A. Padron\' post=\'173243\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 07:24 AM\']
Bob Barker announces that he was disqualified for his nomination as Best Game Show Host (Dick Clark won the award instead).[/quote]
Damn right.
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Thanks! Wow, never knew a Narz Concentration was in there as well. It's going to make the choices for next time harder to make.
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'173264\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 03:20 PM\']
Thanks! Wow, never knew a Narz Concentration was in there as well. It's going to make the choices for next time harder to make.
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Yep. an old one, pre-Double Play with the 9 squares bonus. This bonus round was solve 2 puzzles in 10 seconds for the car.
And, I won't spoil it for you, but even in 1974 G/T knew damn well how to control the prize budget.
Question for the panel : How did the 9 square Double Play bonus work? How did you get to play for the car, as opposed to the other prize packages?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'173268\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 01:13 PM\']
Question for the panel : How did the 9 square Double Play bonus work? How did you get to play for the car, as opposed to the other prize packages?
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I wanna say it worked like the Winner's Board on $OTC...you played for the first thing you matched, and there were three prize packages, two Wild cards, and the car. So to play for the car, you had to hit a Wild card either first or after the car had already been revealed.
I might not have the details exactly right, but it's close to that.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'173268\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 04:13 PM\']
Question for the panel : How did the 9 square Double Play bonus work? How did you get to play for the car, as opposed to the other prize packages?
[/quote]
IIRC from Jamie Locklin showing it on his page, didn't you have to match two prizes or something, with one space serving as a Wild Card?
ETA: Lemon got me by two minutes, with a better explanation.
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Bob Barker announces that he was disqualified for his nomination as Best Game Show Host (Dick Clark won the award instead).
This statement presumes that Barker would have won had he not been disqualified. How do you know Dick Clark wouldn't have won over Barker had the latter not been disqualified?
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Chris was right: 9 squares, first one you match was what you played for.
Three prize packages and a car up for grabs.
The only thing I'm not sure about was the wild cards; the episode I have has no such occurrence in the bonus game.
Also of note: the 9-square board was manually operated via pull cards, not trilons.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173291\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 07:33 PM\']
The only thing I'm not sure about was the wild cards; the episode I have has no such occurrence in the bonus game.[/quote]
Honestly, I'm not thrilled about that part either; I know the car was a singleton, but I'm not at all sure about the two Wild cards, or if they were Wild cards or Win cards or what. Or if there were even two; there could have been one and then an Everything card or something. Some corroboration / correction would be most welcome.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'173277\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 06:19 PM\']
Bob Barker announces that he was disqualified for his nomination as Best Game Show Host (Dick Clark won the award instead).
This statement presumes that Barker would have won had he not been disqualified. How do you know Dick Clark wouldn't have won over Barker had the latter not been disqualified?
[/quote]
I am not sure if Barker would have won the Daytime Emmy Award at Best Game Show Host at all, even without the disqualification (the submission tape for entry was not within the time period broadcast guidelines set by the Blue Ribbon panel committee as I recall). I can tell you that, by looking at that tape, Barker was really smarting inside, and his already inflated ego really simmering about this matter, and was getting it to him.
In the audience for the event was "$20,000 Pyramid" producer Bob Stewart, and judging from the expression on his face, Stewart was probably not pleased to hear Barker making that sort of less than classy response on live TV. As for Dick Clark himself, he was a no show at that Daytime Emmy Awards show, with presenters Brett Somers and Charles Nelson Reilly announcing him as the winner and accepting the award from a disappointed Janice Pennington handed to them instead.
To make matters worst, Barker later complained about the disqualification all over again. but in more detail in a written piece for New York Magazine. When I read this seeming rant in print from him, he almost made as much like it was a sour grapes injustice deal done to him. Being bitter I guess, he did mention in the end just simply that Daytime Emmy Award went instead to Clark for his work on "$20,000 Pyramid" on ABC-TV.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173294\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 10:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173291\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 07:33 PM\']
The only thing I'm not sure about was the wild cards; the episode I have has no such occurrence in the bonus game.[/quote]
Honestly, I'm not thrilled about that part either; I know the car was a singleton, but I'm not at all sure about the two Wild cards, or if they were Wild cards or Win cards or what. Or if there were even two; there could have been one and then an Everything card or something. Some corroboration / correction would be most welcome.
[/quote]
And that's the problem... I too have that 'one' ep on tape (it was the first show I got in a trade, 11(!) years ago).... and because of what happened in the bonus, we just don't know what was on the bonus board.
What's the status on the Narz eps? Erased?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173294\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 10:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173291\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 07:33 PM\']
The only thing I'm not sure about was the wild cards; the episode I have has no such occurrence in the bonus game.[/quote]
Honestly, I'm not thrilled about that part either; I know the car was a singleton, but I'm not at all sure about the two Wild cards, or if they were Wild cards or Win cards or what. Or if there were even two; there could have been one and then an Everything card or something. Some corroboration / correction would be most welcome.
[/quote]
On the 9-square Double Play board, there were three prize packages, the new car and one Wild Card. Much like the later SOTC bonus game, whatever prize you matched after calling out numbers was the one prize you played for. The one Wild Card feature was that it can match any one prize automatically on the board, but the contestant can play up to all the four prizes (including the car) offered if during the numbered selection process, the Wild Card will and can match the other prizes at that point that were not paired up previously.
So, as an example, if a lucky contestant calls four numbers on the Double Play board, and each has a different prize that do not match with each other, his/her next call will be a natural match with only one prize being played for, or the Wild Card that will automatically match all of them, thus playing for all four prizes offered. I remember seeing that happened on the Narz version at least once when the show aired during its final year in first-run syndication on WOR-TV Channel 9 in New York, when it was on weeknights at 6:00pm Eastern.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173294\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 10:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173291\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 07:33 PM\']
The only thing I'm not sure about was the wild cards; the episode I have has no such occurrence in the bonus game.[/quote]
Honestly, I'm not thrilled about that part either; I know the car was a singleton, but I'm not at all sure about the two Wild cards, or if they were Wild cards or Win cards or what. Or if there were even two; there could have been one and then an Everything card or something. Some corroboration / correction would be most welcome.
[/quote]
I dug up the tape of that Narz "Concentration" ep.
Contestant Linda picks the car and 2 different prize packages, at which moment Jack tells her that "she could be playing for one of those 3 or all 3 depending on what she picked next".
So, at some point, could it have been that you played for everything you revealed if you revealed the car and one of each prize package?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173302\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 10:52 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173294\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 10:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173291\' date=\'Dec 27 2007, 07:33 PM\']
The only thing I'm not sure about was the wild cards; the episode I have has no such occurrence in the bonus game.[/quote]
Honestly, I'm not thrilled about that part either; I know the car was a singleton, but I'm not at all sure about the two Wild cards, or if they were Wild cards or Win cards or what. Or if there were even two; there could have been one and then an Everything card or something. Some corroboration / correction would be most welcome.
[/quote]
I dug up the tape of that Narz "Concentration" ep.
Contestant Linda picks the car and 2 different prize packages, at which moment Jack tells her that "she could be playing for one of those 3 or all 3 depending on what she picked next".
So, at some point, could it have been that you played for everything you revealed if you revealed the car and one of each prize package?
[/quote]
If the contestant had next picked the number that had revealed the Wild Card afterward, then he/she played for everything that was shown on the Double Play game board at that point. If the next number called was a prize that now matched, then it is just for one prize that was paired only.
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There was an assumption back there that "play for this matched prize" was the original bonus format. Believe me, it was not. In the first two or three seasons of the show, you played for the car every time and it was possible for you to win two cars in the same show. The bonus round (and its fitting "Starcrossed" music shamelessly stolen from the TPIR library) was added later.
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[quote name=\'William A. Padron\' post=\'173301\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 07:17 AM\']
On the 9-square Double Play board, there were three prize packages, the new car and one Wild Card. [/quote]
Right. That's eight. We're wondering what the ninth was.
/and hopefully won't have to read another novel to find out
//not holding his breath
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'173313\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 01:40 PM\']
There was an assumption back there that "play for this matched prize" was the original bonus format. Believe me, it was not. In the first two or three seasons of the show, you played for the car every time and it was possible for you to win two cars in the same show. The bonus round (and its fitting "Starcrossed" music shamelessly stolen from the TPIR library) was added later.
[/quote]
Right. Two puzzles, 10 seconds. First puzzle got you $100. Second got you the car. Thats the bonus version on tape at the Paley (Hey! I got us back on topic!)
And....
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173318\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 02:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'William A. Padron\' post=\'173301\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 07:17 AM\']
On the 9-square Double Play board, there were three prize packages, the new car and one Wild Card. [/quote]
Right. That's eight. We're wondering what the ninth was.
/and hopefully won't have to read another novel to find out
//not holding his breath
[/quote]
I appreciate this topic, really I do. This is my favorite game show of all time, and I've wondered about the 9-Square bonus format for a long time. I didn't know this would go into a long winded discussion, but thank you, nevertheless.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'173320\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 12:06 PM\']
I didn't know this would go into a long winded discussion[/quote]
In one post, even!
/is *always* willing to talk Narz Concentration
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173318\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 01:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'William A. Padron\' post=\'173301\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 07:17 AM\']
On the 9-square Double Play board, there were three prize packages, the new car and one Wild Card. [/quote]
Right. That's eight. We're wondering what the ninth was.
/and hopefully won't have to read another novel to find out
//not holding his breath
[/quote]
Is it possible (TTBOMK, Narz CONCENTRATION didn't air in my market, so I am admittedly speaking ex-rectum, but hey it's worth a shot in the dark) that the car was also a pair?
So you have three rotating prize packages (six squares), the car (two squares) and the Wild Card (one square).
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'173322\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 03:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'173318\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 01:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'William A. Padron\' post=\'173301\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 07:17 AM\']
On the 9-square Double Play board, there were three prize packages, the new car and one Wild Card. [/quote]
Right. That's eight. We're wondering what the ninth was.
/and hopefully won't have to read another novel to find out
//not holding his breath
[/quote]
Is it possible (TTBOMK, Narz CONCENTRATION didn't air in my market, so I am admittedly speaking ex-rectum, but hey it's worth a shot in the dark) that the car was also a pair?
So you have three rotating prize packages (six squares), the car (two squares) and the Wild Card (one square).
[/quote]
I will give a quasi-example what the Double Play 9-square board could contain (note: this is not from any particular episode at all)...
1 = Stereo; 2 = "For Her"; 3 = New Car;
4 = Living Room; 5 = Stereo; 6 = "Wild Card";
7 = "For Her"; 8 = New Car; 9 = Living Room.
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[quote name=\'William A. Padron\' post=\'173324\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 03:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'173322\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 03:21 PM\']
Is it possible (TTBOMK, Narz CONCENTRATION didn't air in my market, so I am admittedly speaking ex-rectum, but hey it's worth a shot in the dark) that the car was also a pair?
[/quote]
I will give a quasi-example what the Double Play 9-square board could contain (note: this is not from any particular episode at all)...
1 = Stereo; 2 = "For Her"; 3 = New Car;
4 = Living Room; 5 = Stereo; 6 = "Wild Card";
7 = "For Her"; 8 = New Car; 9 = Living Room.
[/quote]
In other words, the answer to Doug's question was "yes."
No novel, no quasi-example needed.
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But then....what had to happen to play for all the prizes on the board?
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You had to reveal one of each of the three prizes plus one car card before revealing the Wild Card. In the example given, revealing 1, 2, 3, 4, then 6 in that order would allow you to play for all the loot.
/at least that's what I've gathered.
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Wait, so the car DID have a natural match?
Fair enough. I could swear it didn't, but I could easily have been crossing my recollection with the $otC Winnar's Board, too.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'173327\' date=\'Dec 28 2007, 04:08 PM\']
/at least that's what I've gathered.
[/quote]
Can we avoid this please? I'd like to determine the answer on fact, not idle speculation.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'169783\' date=\'Nov 17 2007, 06:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve_Bier\' post=\'169671\' date=\'Nov 16 2007, 10:42 AM\']
I know there's an episode (or two) of Jackpot! (74-75), as well as a 1983 episode of "Dream House" in their collection.....
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The episode of Jackpot! at the Paley Center is the one that aired the day before the episode on the trading circuit.
[/quote]
Anyone remember who was the first among us to determine this? I have a vague recollection, but it may be wrong.
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Was it JD Hernandez?
'Cause that's who I heard it from first.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'173460\' date=\'Dec 30 2007, 05:15 PM\']
Was it JD Hernandez?
'Cause that's who I heard it from first.
[/quote]
Yeah, that's who I thought it was... couldn't trust my own memory, though.
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Update re: the Paley Center...
- Celebrity Sweepstakes is no longer available for immediate viewing, but Jackpot! is. It was the episode from the day before the $38,750 Super Jackpot win, and features its own exciting moment: a Super Jackpot of $30,000.
- Don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but the 1964 "test" episode of Jeopardy, apart from being uncommonly hilarious, also gives you the main theme in the clear at the end. Definitely worth the view if you go.
- And regarding the museum itself: gone are the days where you pick your two (or four) episodes and get whisked away to a viewing room. Now the Paley Center has what you could consider its own Youtube: all the material is digitized and readily available to search AND view from your beautiful HD LCD monitor. Also, no more episode limits: you now get 2 hours to watch as much as you want, which means you can also skip around and see a bunch of shows during your stay.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'248696\' date=\'Oct 4 2010, 04:17 PM\']Update re: the Paley Center...
- And regarding the museum itself: gone are the days where you pick your two (or four) episodes and get whisked away to a viewing room. Now the Paley Center has what you could consider its own Youtube: all the material is digitized and readily available to search AND view from your beautiful HD LCD monitor. Also, no more episode limits: you now get 2 hours to watch as much as you want, which means you can also skip around and see a bunch of shows during your stay.[/quote]
I've been there (Manhattan) a couple of times in the past several months and saw three programs. Only one of the three - ABC's notorious bomb "Turn-On" - was available in digital form. The other two shows I watched, an episode of "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" from 1976 and Bing Crosby's last Christmas special, were on tape, which meant going upstairs to a different screening area. (If you're not a member of the Paley Center, you can still watch digitally stored programs, but you need to be a member to watch a tape.)
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[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'248786\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 12:08 AM\']I've been there (Manhattan) a couple of times in the past several months and saw three programs. Only one of the three - ABC's notorious bomb "Turn-On" - was available in digital form.[/quote]
Veering off-track (surprise surprise), how bad was this?
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'248809\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 03:09 PM\']Veering off-track (surprise surprise), how bad was this?[/quote]
Bask in the crappe. (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn-On\") I remember reading about this in one of the original three Books of Lists many many years ago. Two markets canned it in mid-show. Tim Conway couldn't even save it.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'248810\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 06:13 PM\'][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'248809\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 03:09 PM\']Veering off-track (surprise surprise), how bad was this?[/quote]
Bask in the crappe. (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn-On\") I remember reading about this in one of the original three Books of Lists many many years ago. Two markets canned it in mid-show. Tim Conway couldn't even save it.[/quote]
I've read about its place in history. I wanted to know first-hand if it was truly that bad.
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I've done a fair amount of contemporary research and there's no evidence that it was canceled mid-show by any station.
It committed the cardinal sin of not being funny. If it was even slightly funny it would have been not the curiosity it has become and likely would have lasted a few episodes. And the awful Moog drum loop that played throughout the show didn't help matters either.
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And here's a quick set of clips... (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zny4LxAC0C8\")
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'248831\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 11:30 PM\']And here's a quick set of clips... (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zny4LxAC0C8\")[/quote]
Where we see George Schlatter himself telling the "canceled in the middle of the episode" story. Anybody who's read anything approaching an even-handed record of Laugh-In knows that Mr. Schlatter likes to invent history whenever it suits his storytelling.
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What percentage of the library is digital now? Last time I was there it was still all on tape (and the nice workers there gave us extra time because we weren't going to be able to come back later in the week--- the museum was only open on the weekend because Adam Sandler was shooting a movie there).
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Just read the Wikipedia article, and based on what I've read, it looks like an edgier Laugh In... if you will, perhaps jokes and skits that they tried to get in Laugh In and were rejected by the censors at the time. It also appears that Turn On was more cynical than Laugh In. However, most of the jokes IMO were just a series of "rimshots" and I can see why it was pulled after only one airing.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'248833\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 11:46 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'248831\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 11:30 PM\']And here's a quick set of clips... (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zny4LxAC0C8\")[/quote]
Where we see George Schlatter himself telling the "canceled in the middle of the episode" story. Anybody who's read anything approaching an even-handed record of Laugh-In knows that Mr. Schlatter likes to invent history whenever it suits his storytelling.
[/quote]
I know in some other thing I watched about it he claimed it was actually funny. For those of you who want to read an entirely different take on Mr. Schlatter and the Laugh-In days, I highly recommend this entry (http://\"http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/09/richard-nixons-laugh-in.html#more\") from Beware the Blog. Whenever that author (Kliph Nesterhoff) submits an entry, it is amazing what he can dig up.
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I thought this amateur review of "Turn-On" described it pretty well:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063960/usercomments-22 (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063960/usercomments-22\")
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'248814\' date=\'Oct 6 2010, 06:36 PM\']It committed the cardinal sin of not being funny. If it was even slightly funny it would have been not the curiosity it has become and likely would have lasted a few episodes. And the awful Moog drum loop that played throughout the show didn't help matters either.[/quote]
One gag caused a flicker of a smile to cross my face. Only one. Beautiful, blindfolded blonde Maura McGiveney is facing a firing squad. A soldier (played by Hamilton Camp) says to her, "I know this may seem a little unusual, miss - but in this case, the firing squad has one last request."
One flicker does not a 30-minute comedy show make.
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Here is a quote from UPI TV Writer Rick DuBrow's column Monday, February 10, 1969-An excerpt from the Elyria (Ohio) Chronicle-Telegram:Courtesy Newspaper Archive
STATIONS IN Cleveland,
Denver and Little Rock, Ark.,
canceled "Turn-On" last
week. One station manager
wrote ABC:
"If your naughty little boys
have to write dirty words .on
walls, please don't use our
walls. It's all right to be racy,
but this is just plain dirty."
Though it doesnt say here, the station manager that wrote ABC was said to have been WEWS-TV 5 Cleveland Station Manager Don Perris..