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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: toetyper on October 03, 2007, 07:49:23 PM
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I dont know this boards position on drew carey so ill give you mine
i will give him a CHANCE not 1 day, not 1 week; not 1 month
i say lets give him til feb
there will be people asking for drews head from day 1. these people are idiots. They should be ignored;
however; if by feb it becomes apparent drew just cant do it. Ill be leading the campaign for john o'hurley
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'165457\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 07:49 PM\']
I dont know this boards position on drew carey so ill give you mine
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The board, as a whole, doesn't have a position. Unless I've severely misjudged things, most of us are taking the same approach you are: we're giving him a chance. Early reports indicate that he's making a good-faith effort, at least.
there will be people asking for drews head from day 1. these people are idiots. They should be ignored;
You think they're idiots? There are people on other boards who have been calling for Drew's head from before day one -- in fact, from the moment his name was announced.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165459\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 06:54 PM\']
You think they're idiots? There are people on other boards who have been calling for Drew's head from before day one -- in fact, from the moment his name was announced.
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We're talking Play for a Billion-era, right? ;)
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i REALLY REALLY REALLY, wanted rich fields to get it. Im not alone; alot of people trashing drew are bitter rich supporters; or newton supporters. or ohurley supporters
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'165463\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 05:37 PM\']
i REALLY REALLY REALLY, wanted rich fields to get it.
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Why? Rich isn't even good at his OWN job. Why the HELL would he be any better as host?
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'165463\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 07:37 PM\']
i REALLY REALLY REALLY, wanted rich fields to get it. [/quote]Why? So every time Dice Game gets played, we can get "And you're playing Dice Game for the beautiful new caaaah!Im not alone; alot of people trashing drew are bitter rich supporters; or newton supporters. or ohurley supporters
I didn't know Rich had any supporters to begin with.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'165468\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 09:04 PM\']
I didn't know Rich had any supporters to begin with.
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Even his own family doesn't?!?
Man, that's rough!
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'165469\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 08:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'165468\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 09:04 PM\']
I didn't know Rich had any supporters to begin with.
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Even his own family doesn't?!?
Man, that's rough!
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Rich is a freaking tool. He needs to lay off the Red Bull.
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'165457\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 04:49 PM\']I dont know this boards position on drew carey so ill give you mine
i will give him a CHANCE not 1 day, not 1 week; not 1 month
i say lets give him til feb[/quote] Explain to me how you arrived at this figure. What is it that makes February the point of no return? I think he's either going to be good out of the gate and stay good, or he'll be awful, with little improvement.
If Drew is entertaining, I'll watch. If he's not, I won't. It's that easy.
however; if by feb it becomes apparent drew just cant do it. Ill be leading the campaign for john o'hurley
And yet John O'Hurley is a better candidate? Not to mention the fact that Mr. Peterman already has a gig?
And I shall form the line of people who would like to abduct Rich Fields and lock him up in a padded cell with nary a microphone to be seen.
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so by travis's, theory if drew has a lousy first month YANK HIM?
lets get real freemantle and cbs will not yet TPIR die; what im afraid of is a itchy trigger finger
ooh, its november; ratings are down 10% lets put in newton
ooh.; its may > ratings are still down: lets put in someone else
i dont wanna see that
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'165463\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 08:37 PM\']
a lot of people trashing drew are bitter rich supporters[/quote]
To me, that would explain the problem right there.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165459\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 07:54 PM\']
You think they're idiots? There are people on other boards who have been calling for Drew's head from before day one -- in fact, from the moment his name was announced.
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Heck, that same thing happened when thousands of people wanted Dave Price's head when he was first rumoured to be the new host of The Price Is Right...
...but, of course, that was justifiable!!! ;-P
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Geez, what's with all the Rich bashing? Are you just biased because Randy happens to posts here? Rich may not be the best announcer in the world, but there are far worse.
*Cough* Burton Richardson *Cough*
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'165482\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 10:48 PM\']
Geez, what's with all the Rich bashing? Are you just biased because Randy happens to posts here?
[/quote]No, he gets bashed because (IMO)he's a lousy announcer. If Rich posted here, I'd say the same thing. If Randy was announcing TPiR and was lousy, I'd express a similar sentiment.
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Wait, no bias here. Being a weatherman qualified him to do announcing on TPIR??? I don't like his speech pattern. Sorry...I grew up with John Harlan, Jack Clark, Charlie O, Charlie Tuna, Rod Roddy, Johnny Gilbert and the three greatest of all time:Gene Wood, Johnny Olson and Don Pardo. He ain't any of them.
Frankly, Ira Joe Fisher would do a better job! Randy and Burton do a great job and should be the Goodson/Fremantle staff announcers.
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I think the job should've gone to Todd Newton, w/Brooke Burke as the new head model...failing that, it should've gone to the extremely talented Pat O'Brien. :-D
Chuck Donegan (The Treading-Dangerous-Ground "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'toddyo\' post=\'165484\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 08:53 PM\']
Burton do a great job
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You're going to make me puke. Which, when you think about it, is very appropriate.
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Oh, how I miss the days when announcers had "pipes".
There's still a few, but they're more the exception than the rule.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 10:01 PM\'] Oh, how I miss the days when announcers had "pipes".
There's still a few, but they're more the exception than the rule. [/quote]
Could you possibly be insinuating that Rolonda Watts doesn't have pipes?
I don't bash Rich Fields much on here, but his voice grates on me so badly that it makes me want to reach for the remote. His "a new car!" sounds like someone is strangling a crow. I watch the show far less now than I used to, and Rich Fields' screaming is the primary reason. I didn't think Burton Richardson was great when he did TPIR, but I'd take him over Fields any day.
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One of the things that made me happy when Drew got the job was the fact that it seems the name "Drew Carey" will be a lot harder to gratingly scream than "Bob Barker".
Then again, he could prove me wrong.
Rich should be happy though. Drew has a much larger posterior, and therefore, a better target for his lips.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'165482\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 11:48 PM\']
Geez, what's with all the Rich bashing? Are you just biased because Randy happens to posts here?
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In fact, that is a key reason for much, probably most — though certainly not all — of it, and Mark's denial of the obvious is laughable.
Can the case be made that Rich isn't as good as Rod Roddy or Johnny Olson? While it's not one with which I happen to agree, certainly the answer is yes, and in any event everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion around here. However, as you've correctly noted, we've seen far worse, and yet Rich gets bashed far out of proportion to whatever faults he may have.
Insulting him in thread after thread after thread, calling him a "schmuck" (and worse) over and over again, saying he has "no supporters" when in fact several of us have gone on the record to the contrary, and publicly expressing a desire to "lock him up in a padded cell"? And on top of those and all the other insults, ridiculing those who try to defend him (not me, though I'm sure that if I weren't a mod I'd be targeted too)? Sorry, that's not just criticism of "a lousy announcer," that's abject hatred, and any honest assessment would indicate that refusing to forgive CBS for not hiring Randy is a key factor — though the hatred has now become so ingrained and so routine that most of the bashers probably don't even realize it themselves by now.
Is anyone going to be thrown out for preferring Randy over Rich? Absolutely not. Does that make the constant, unrelenting hatred against Rich any less disgusting? Absolutely not.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165500\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 06:30 AM\']
Does that make the constant, unrelenting hatred against Rich any less disgusting? Absolutely not.
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I don't hate the man. He was very polite to me and my wife at the '06 Congrefs. So I personally have no problem with him. Professionally, though, hearing how Rich has done in the three years he's had the gig and realizing that he's not improved but gotten worse to my ear in that span has me wondering why he still has the job when I'm sure TPiR can do better. Yes, I'd much rather someone with pipes like Charlie Tuna was the program's announcer, but if that's not the sound the company is after, so be it.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'165462\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 08:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165459\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 06:54 PM\']
You think they're idiots? There are people on other boards who have been calling for Drew's head from before day one -- in fact, from the moment his name was announced.
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We're talking Play for a Billion-era, right? ;)
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I lol'd. :-) I actually was thinking of the guy on the GSN board who declared right off the bat that he wasn't going to watch because Drew uses filthy language when doing standup, so obviously he'll use it on air. The fact that Drew knows he's playing to a different audience, and the fact that CBS would edit any obscenities out in the unlikely event that Drew did use them, wouldn't sway the poster in question.
EDIT: Ah, here's (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/buzz/showpost.php?p=1301737&postcount=114\") the post.
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I, likewise show no bias for either Rich or Randy.
Both Randy & Rich have been inspired by Johnny Olson in their formidable years, and their proof is well-documented. Randy had many years working in radio -- many of which were on high-energy top-40 stations. Yes, Rich also served in radio, and I did hear him once on a high-engery station while vacationing in California 10 years ago, but his high-energy delivery on radio was much better then than his approach sounds today on TPIR.
Could it be the fact that he is finally living his dream, and that the audience fuels the fire for his over-the-top delivery? Perhaps. But the real announcing veterans can overcome that obstacle. And hearing Randy on various shows over the years, he "gets it" and adapts well to any situation. Rich doesn't.
Would Rich make a great announcer for another show? Absolutely! But there are some announcers, that are not a fit for *every* game show out there. And honestly, I don't see Rich as being a fit on TPIR like Johnny and Rod were.
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[quote name=\'toddyo\' post=\'165484\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 11:53 PM\']
Wait, no bias here. Being a weatherman qualified him to do announcing on TPIR???
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No...but being a weatherman could be the key to landing a hosting job....(ducks)
I'll be honest...I was a Rich supporter when the only name in the field was Dave Price (bigger yutz than Rich)...once someone else came in (I forget who it was now), out went Rich.
Rich Fields > Dave Price.
...but then Rich Fields can't hold a candle to...oh....I donno....Mark deCarlo as the donkey from that pilot a while back.
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I don't know Rich personally, and I'm sure he's a really great person all around. I didn't say what I did because of his personality, but because of his energy level. He's WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY over the top most of the time and it makes me NOT want to watch TPIR most days. Maybe he just clashed with Bob's down-to-Earth, low-key style of hosting. The other announcers (yes, even Burton Richardson) seemed (IMHO) to fit in with Bob's style of hosting the show. It'll be interesting to see how Rich will fit in with the style of hosting Drew will bring to the show. It might work out for the better--we'll see in 11 days!
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I don't have the hostility towards Rich, but on the other hand I don't particularly love him. He seems to me to be nothing more than competent. He isn't Johnny O, but who is? A bad announcer's not going to turn me away from a show as much as a bad host, and a bad format or bad execution is much worse than a bad announcer in the scale of things.
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I've heard worse announcers on Price than Rich. He's tolerable, but somebody needs to seriously coach him on how announcing works and how shouting doesn't quite convey emotion well.
//its anewcaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'165506\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 12:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'toddyo\' post=\'165484\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 11:53 PM\']
Wait, no bias here. Being a weatherman qualified him to do announcing on TPIR???
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No...but being a weatherman could be the key to landing a hosting job....(ducks)
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Bite yer tongue.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'165511\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 11:47 AM\']
I don't have the hostility towards Rich, but on the other hand I don't particularly love him. He seems to me to be nothing more than competent. He isn't Johnny O, but who is? A bad announcer's not going to turn me away from a show as much as a bad host, and a bad format or bad execution is much worse than a bad announcer in the scale of things.
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That pretty much sums up my feelings. And, as Mr. Howard correctly points out, the times Rich and I have crossed paths at the Congreff, he's been nothing but cordial. But that generally doesn't sway my opinion about whether or not I like the job someone does.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'165521\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 01:11 PM\']
That pretty much sums up my feelings. And, as Mr. Howard correctly points out, the times Rich and I have crossed paths at the Congreff, he's been nothing but cordial. But that generally doesn't sway my opinion about whether or not I like the job someone does.
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And I'm not saying that anyone here has to like the job Rich does, or should judge his work based on his personality. What I am saying is that the level and frequency of the criticism of his performance are way out of proportion to the quality (or lack thereof, as the case may be) of said performance — and that the lack of proportion is based on whom Rich isn't rather than how he's doing.
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So rereading everything, I may have gone a little far in Rich-bashing, so I shall retract slightly by actually giving the guy a compliment.
I've done radio, I've done voiceovers, I've worked with my voice for over ten years. Could I do that job? No way.
I've read some TPiR copy aloud and it's not as easy as it seems. The "Come on Down", "You're going to play Plinko", and even the ticket plug are cake, especially to a guy like me who's watched the show since he was 4.
Prize copy is a whole other thing. It's not easy to say all that and do it in one take, as is required at Price. What some people don't realize is that for every 30 second commercial you hear on the radio, it usually took a few tries to make it sound right.
That being said, I have to respect anyone who can do the Price gig. So I'll give Rich credit for doing it day in and day out, it can't be easy.
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In today's Chicago Sun Times Talkback section some one was complaining that he doesn't want Drew's "weird humor" on the show.
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Whether or not Rich would have made a good host aside, I'm surprised he didn't even get an audition. How many people did they have audition for that job before Drew was hired? Seems like the powers that be could have thrown him a courtesy audition as a bone, but chose not to. Interesting.
-Rick Z
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165526\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 10:38 AM\']
What I am saying is that the level and frequency of the criticism of his performance are way out of proportion to the quality (or lack thereof, as the case may be) of said performance — and that the lack of proportion is based on whom Rich isn't rather than how he's doing.
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You're painting with a very broad brush here. There are quite a few of us (and some of us VERY qualified to do so) who simply think Rich is a poor announcer. I'm quite sure he's a peach of a guy personally, and if I ever met him I would shake his hand and I'm sure we would have a grand old time, but that's not going to change my opinion that he is bad at his job.
/do I think he's as bad as Burton? God, nooooooooooooo
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///ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'165546\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 04:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165526\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 10:38 AM\']
What I am saying is that the level and frequency of the criticism of his performance are way out of proportion to the quality (or lack thereof, as the case may be) of said performance — and that the lack of proportion is based on whom Rich isn't rather than how he's doing.
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You're painting with a very broad brush here. There are quite a few of us (and some of us VERY qualified to do so) who simply think Rich is a poor announcer.
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And again, no one's saying that you're not entitled to that opinion or qualified to come to it. If Randy hadn't been in competition for the job, I've no doubt that a significant number of the people who think that Rich sucks would still think that he sucks. But I'm just as convinced that at least some wouldn't, and I'm even more convinced that the slams wouldn't be anywhere near as constant and unrelenting.
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Just an observation here... It seems like we constantly get into major pissing contests over issues involving TPIR. Eventually a Loyal FanBo1Z and True wanders over here, makes some asinine comment on how the world will end because Rich Fields wasn't made a co-host, or how Bob should have been made Mayor of Television City when he retired, and ends up getting the rest of the roost in a rumble.
And, For the Record, I think Rich is a nice guy, but a lousy announcer. The reason I don't care for him is because he grates on my nerves when he's a blatant asskisser ("Mr. Barker this, Mr. Barker that, Mr. Barker please don't walk away because my lips are superglued to your buttcheek"). But to be fair, if I was the weatherman who got the job, I'd probably buy stock in superglue too.
Also for the record, I think Burton is/was better on Price than Rich. I also think Burton pukes a bit on Feud, yet on PIR94, he was fine.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'165548\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 04:54 PM\']
Eventually a Loyal FanBo1Z and True wanders over here, makes some asinine comment on how the world will end because Rich Fields wasn't made a co-host, or how Bob should have been made Mayor of Television City when he retired, and ends up getting the rest of the roost in a rumble.
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I'm not going to defend that either; obviously one can overdo things in the other direction too.
I do often wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that Rich Fields is neither G-d's gift to announcing nor a schmuck who should be thrown in a padded cell.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165549\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 04:58 PM\']
I do often wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that Rich Fields is neither G-d's gift to announcing nor a schmuck who should be thrown in a padded cell.
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No.
And to comment on something else that was said waaaaaaaay back up the thread, I've heard from people who were at the auditions that Todd Newton and John O'Hurley were both, to put it nicely, less than impressive.
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I do often wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that Rich Fields is neither G-d's gift to announcing nor a schmuck who should be thrown in a padded cell.
Trust me, you're not; I share the same opinion that you do. I've definitely heard many better announcers (I grew up hearing, and loving, Rod Roddy as TPIR announcer), but I think Rich does his job as competently as possible. I don't get goosebumps or get really excited to have Rich as the announcer, but I also know that, not only could they have done a lot worse (see: Rosen, Daniel), but announcing for such a high-energy game show like TPIR is a very difficult job and not one that many can do. Sure; I do chuckle whenever a new CAAAAAAAAH is offered as a prize, but I think he does as good a job as he can, and it's certainly satisfactory to me. I certainly never entertained the thought of boycotting TPIR just because the guy I wanted didn't get the announcing job (sorry, Randy; I was rooting for you!).
/can we reserve that padded cell for Patrick "You WIIIIIIINNNNNNN" Wayne?
//or Jim "Flashing Red Box" Caldwell? :)
Anthony
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165547\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 03:45 PM\']
(major snipping of thread by Doc)
And again, no one's saying that you're not entitled to that opinion or qualified to come to it. If Randy hadn't been in competition for the job, I've no doubt that a significant number of the people who think that Rich sucks would still think that he sucks. But I'm just as convinced that at least some wouldn't, and I'm even more convinced that the slams wouldn't be anywhere near as constant and unrelenting.
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I'm not going to take sides on this particular thread, other than to say that the vitriol I've been reading over the past several minutes is something that I didn't miss one damn bit during my hiatus. Then again, the other boards are that much worse.
For what it's worth, the dynamic between host and announcer should be quite a bit different with Drew coming on board. That's stating the obvious, I think, but I'm waiting to see what happens before I finally show my hand on my opinion of Rich.
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Wow, sorry to open up a can of worms, but I'm glad this is being discussed. David, thanks for your earlier reply!
Randy is a great guy and certainly qualified, but I must admit I was never a big fan of his announcing style. Rich seems like a better fit for a high energy show like TPIR, and his warm-ups are quite funny IMO. Whether or not he could host the show is another story. I think CBS was smart to go with a big name.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'165465\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 08:46 PM\']
Rich isn't even good at his OWN job. Why the HELL would he be any better as host?
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Amen to that! I still cannot believe that Randy didn't get this gig. He has the energy, the voice and a proven track record. Nobody could have been more perfect.
Having heard his Johnny O and Rod Roddy impressions in person (it's spooky, it really is)...I can't help but think they would have hand picked him as their successor if they could have.
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'165473\' date=\'Oct 3 2007, 08:01 PM\']so by travis's, theory if drew has a lousy first month YANK HIM? [/quote] No, and I resent emphatically that you're putting words in my mouth. I said what I said, and I meant it.
If you were to look at my body of work, I have been glowing with praise for Drew regarding his work on Power of 10. I see no reason that his talent will not carry over to TPIR. But I'm going to wait until the show actually airs until I judge.
lets get real freemantle and cbs will not yet TPIR die; what im afraid of is a itchy trigger finger
ooh, its november; ratings are down 10% lets put in newton
ooh.; its may > ratings are still down: lets put in someone else
i dont wanna see that
This is total silliness. If Drew has a contract through the end of the year, the only way your scenario happens is if he gets bought out.
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165500\' date=\'Oct 4 2007, 03:30 AM\']when in fact several of us have gone on the record to the contrary, and publicly expressing a desire to "lock him up in a padded cell"? [/quote]
Is anyone going to be thrown out for preferring Randy over Rich? Absolutely not. Does that make the constant, unrelenting hatred against Rich any less disgusting? Absolutely not.
Come on; you know me better than that. Do you really think I'm going to wake up tomorrow, sharpen my pitchfork, pour gasoline on my torch and point my car to California with nary a care in the world?
Of course not. I was using hyperbole to make my point. (Are we still allowed to liven up the proceedings by having fun with the English language?)
I am not without bias. I cast my vote, and 99 more. My candidate didn't win. I've listened to my pick, and the eventual winner. My preference is for my choice. Rich's voice is grating to me; he tips the car reveal before the doors open, and he yells his lines.
I've watched many an hour of game shows in my formative years. I think I have a good idea of what the "right" announcer should sound like. Rich does not jibe with my perceptions. If this is going to become "GSF: Olde England," where we tip our hats and call each other "sir" and "ma'am," then that's fine. But I don't think I should have to couch "I think Rich is completely awful" just because there are some people who can't handle it.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'165595\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 12:16 AM\']
Come on; you know me better than that. Do you really think I'm going to wake up tomorrow, sharpen my pitchfork, pour gasoline on my torch and point my car to California with nary a care in the world?
Of course not. I was using hyperbole to make my point. (Are we still allowed to liven up the proceedings by having fun with the English language?)
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Just as I did not tell Chris that he wasn't qualified to judge Rich's announcing skills, and just as I did not tell Matt that it was perfectly okay to go too far in the other direction, I am not telling you that you're not allowed to use hyperbole. I'm saying — again — that it's a matter of degree and frequency, and that both are as high as they are because of whom Rich isn't rather than what he does. Would there still be critics if Rich had won out over only, say, Haywood Jablowmi and Owata Nassiam? I'm sure of it. But the constant drumbeat, day in and day out, in thread after thread? No, absolutely not.
The fact is that no one's going to be thrown into the Isolation Booth for criticizing Rich, even in the manner that's been going on since it was announced that he was the final choice. But when Mark Odor, or anyone else, makes the claim that oh no, it's all about his announcing and has nothing to do with who else was going for the job, I'm going to continue to call that claim what it is — absolute BS.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165602\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 03:27 AM\']
But when Mark Odor, or anyone else,
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Anyone else?
Dude, how do you manage to stay on the canvas, painting like that?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'165610\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 11:40 AM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'165602\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 03:27 AM\']
But when Mark Odor, or anyone else,
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Anyone else?
Dude, how do you manage to stay on the canvas, painting like that?
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Did you actually read beyond that?
You accused me of slamming all of the criticism of Rich when I didn't (and still haven't). If you still think that I'm doing that, I'm not the least bit surprised at your reaction. Again, it's the proportionality. For the record, the "BS" to which I referred was Mark's refusal to grant that any of the criticism might be based on something other than Rich's talent, not any criticism of Rich whatsoever.
(I will grant that Mark's not a great example, since I'm still waiting to hear of a game show or game show personality that he actually likes.)
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To steer this sucker away from Rich...
During today's CBS credit roll, they showed a promo for Price, which included some generic contestant clips. It looks like the contestants love him (or just really excited they still get win a new car).
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'165618\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 11:10 AM\']
To steer this sucker away from Rich...
During today's CBS credit roll, they showed a promo for Price, which included some generic contestant clips. It looks like the contestants love him (or just really excited they still get win a new car).
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They could put John Wayne Gacy out there, but as long as they could win A NEW CAR!, they'll be excited.
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During the first commercial break of today's "Bold & The Beautiful" (I was channel surfing, I swear... :-), they showed a quick promo touting a "new set, new excitement, and a new host". Then I hear cheers over sustained dings, but the dings sounded way different than the old-school MG package. Looks like the SFX package got an upgrade, too.
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[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'165642\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 04:41 PM\']
Then I hear cheers over sustained dings, but the dings sounded way different than the old-school MG package. Looks like the SFX package got an upgrade, too.
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That might just be generic game show SFX. IIRC, during the Drew preview video (from "The Insider"), they still used the old bells HIGHLIGHT: [color=\"white\"]when that guy won the Dodge Ram truck.[/color]
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Oh ok...I figured they were going all out and completely revamping, SFX and all. Now would be the time to do it.
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[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'165651\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 04:20 PM\']
Oh ok...I figured they were going all out and completely revamping, SFX and all. Now would be the time to do it.
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As I often say in class, "yes, but..."
The show can't be changed too much in terms of its visual or audial appearance, or viewers may not take to it. Bob Barker repeatedly criticized TPiR'94 over its set, and I agreed with him when I watched it in first run. The pricing games were there, to be sure, but the atmosphere of the set was so different that it just wasn't TPiR to me. I've seen the pix of the new set, and it does have differences, but it still 'feels' like TPiR.
Someone could make the same argument for changing the host, but as we all know, Tom Kennedy had a relatively successful fun in an earlier night time incarnation, as did the late Dennis James.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'165666\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 08:51 PM\']
Someone could make the same argument for changing the host, but as we all know, Tom Kennedy had a relatively successful fun in an earlier night time incarnation, as did the late Dennis James.
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Let's see, Tom Kennedy was Price host for how long? One season? Wouldn't call that relatively successful, as much as we like Tom Kennedy hosting anything.
Now Dennis James, he lasted a few more years; even so, they did put Barker in there near the end when he became available for syndication after the demise of "Truth or Consequences".
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To drag the conversation back to the contentious part, I'm tired of the anti-Rich-Fields hyperbole only because it's gotten so very old. The audience going nuts when Karn would double the points was awful, too, but 500 "OMG DOUBLE THE POINTS" jokes later, I know which one had become more annoying.
That said, I really don't see it just being a defense of Randy, as David has suggested. I detect roughly equal parts "defense of Randy", "reaction to TPIR fanboys", and "he really isn't good at all".
That said also, in the realm of calm presentation of opposing viewpoints, I just can't elevate Rich Fields' work on TPIR higher than "passable". He can read without getting tongue-tied, and he understands that excitement is called for in certain situations. But his cadence and style just grate on me--it seems like he's got a very skewed perspective on what makes a good announcer, in several areas. I would rank Burton ahead of him because A) his puking is really the only obstacle to his TPIR work being very good, and B) he has proven that he's capable of not puking.
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He isn't Johnny O, but who is?
1. Jay Stewart
2. Kenny Williams
3. Charlie O'Donnell
4. Johnny Gilbert
Randy Amasia used to tell stories about his acquaintanceship with Kenny Williams which developed when Randy visited the H-Q shows. By Randy's account he "couldn't have been nicer". Kenny is underrated, IMO, perhaps because he doesn't get as much exposure on GSN as others do.
Rich is a good performer. The problem is, he doesn't know how to approach TPIR. Last year he taped a segment for Game Show Marathon in which the Big Wheel was being moved out of studio 33. He was pretty good when he was being Rich Fields. When he does TPIR he stops being Rich Fields and starts being the love child of Rod Roddy and Jerry Lewis on crack (now there's a sight to behold). If he would give up the puking and the screeching and just be enthusiastic Rich it would be a great improvement. Somebody needs to take him aside and tell him that. As it stands now, I have a difficult time watching TPIR and it's 100% due to Rich Fields.
OK, not 100%. Gotta leave room for Bart's directing.
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If you search YouTube for Rich Fields, watch the video where Bob formally announces Rich as the new announcer for the show. You get a "come on down" afterwards that's a stark contrast from the pukey ones we get now (see: not "come on DEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWN!!!!!").
-Jason
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'165672\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 09:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'165666\' date=\'Oct 5 2007, 08:51 PM\']
Someone could make the same argument for changing the host, but as we all know, Tom Kennedy had a relatively successful fun in an earlier night time incarnation, as did the late Dennis James.
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Let's see, Tom Kennedy was Price host for how long? One season? Wouldn't call that relatively successful, as much as we like Tom Kennedy hosting anything.
Now Dennis James, he lasted a few more years; even so, they did put Barker in there near the end when he became available for syndication after the demise of "Truth or Consequences".
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Let us not forget that none of the moonlighters could hold a light to Barker. What's Dennis James' "a few years" versus Barker's 35? I'd call that a significant drop in the bucket, but what do I know? I'm just a casual fan.
I'd call Kennedy's run a success on grounds other than how long he lasted. Seems to me he got good reviews at the time. I also remember (at least in my then-hometown market) that he didn't get a time slot that would let him run more than a season.
But, Dave, if you want to measure success in terms of how many seasons Drew will last, I'm not going to put a bunch of money on him -- or anyone else -- besting Barker's run.
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Drew doesn't HAVE to equal or even come close to Barker.
A good multiple-year run will do it.
Look at Leno (especially) and Conan replacing Letterman. Both had bumpy starts but eventually found their own groove and have lasted for many years. Never will have what Carson did but nobody will in the modern TV universe.
One only hopes CBS gives him enough time to find himself on the show; if they do, I think he can have a run as long as he wants. Which probably will be less than 10 years.
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What's Dennis James' "a few years" versus Barker's 35? I'd call that a significant drop in the bucket, but what do I know? I'm just a casual fan.
I think it might have been Steve Beverly who mentioned the ratings for Dennis' nighttime Price really dropped after the first couple of years. That's likely one reason why they got Bob to host starting in year six, but it didn't make a big difference as it was gone a couple of years later.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'165804\' date=\'Oct 7 2007, 06:07 AM\']
Drew doesn't HAVE to equal or even come close to Barker.
A good multiple-year run will do it.
Look at Leno (especially) and Conan replacing Letterman. Both had bumpy starts but eventually found their own groove and have lasted for many years. Never will have what Carson did but nobody will in the modern TV universe.
One only hopes CBS gives him enough time to find himself on the show; if they do, I think he can have a run as long as he wants. Which probably will be less than 10 years.
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Which is my point exactly -- success can be measured in other terms, and I think your Tonight Show example perfectly illustrates that.
I do share your concerns about CBS giving him a fair chance. Let's also hope America does so as well.
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Interesting read about Drew and Price from USA Today........
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/ne...ce_N.htm?csp=34 (http://\"http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-10-07-carey-price_N.htm?csp=34\")
Most revealing is what Drew says about "Barker's Beauties".
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'165892\' date=\'Oct 8 2007, 08:06 AM\']
Interesting read about Drew and Price from USA Today........
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/ne...ce_N.htm?csp=34 (http://\"http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-10-07-carey-price_N.htm?csp=34\")
Most revealing is what Drew says about "Barker's Beauties".[/quote]
And bless him for that.
(Warning--there's a video accompanying the article, and while it's worth watching, there are a couple of split-second spoilers. But you can see the final touch-ups to the Showcase podiums.)