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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: BMaurice06 on August 02, 2007, 02:23:16 PM
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I am curious to find out how production is going on the American version of Temptation. I heard on the FlashGames BuzzerBlog that things were "not going that smoothly" on the set. Could it be that there are either technical or internal maladies happening? What the dillio (please excuse the seemingly worn-out slang)?
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[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'159396\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 02:23 PM\']
I am curious to find out how production is going on the American version of Temptation. I heard on the FlashGames BuzzerBlog that things were "not going that smoothly" on the set. Could it be that there are either technical or internal maladies happening? What the dillio (please excuse the seemingly worn-out slang)?
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I remember reading that two preview episodes air on Wednesday, September 5. I'm guessing everything's okay, although I'd like to hear from someone who attended a taping or two...
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I can tell you some of the rule changes aren't *that* great. It sticks with Sale's format as far as questions go. Be prepared for a new bonus round called KnockOff which is essentially Wipeout. I've heard it's for game dollars, and one wrong answer means you lose all bonus money. One of these was supposedly in the main game as well. Fame Game's are revealed one letter at a time. Also, the shopping format stays the same, but as of now the absolute best you can do is a car for $995 I believe, meaning either you can earn a lot of money in Super KnockOff (the bonus), or it's going to take a long time to win. Be ready for an ungodly amount of female contestants and an incredible emphasis in shopping. However, things can change before the show officially starts taping episodes if they haven't yet already; we'll have to see. As far as I know, they're done casting men and they are exclusively looking for women 25-55 now. They are also casting male and female models currently.
It was going badly before because no one knew anything, even many production members. I was hearing from production people that they were surprised when they heard the September 10th debut date, as they didn't even know the show was completely greenlit.
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Alrighty Alex...since you are in the know about this....
- Is "KnockOff" based off the Wipeout main game (ie. played with all three players) or the bonus round (with one player)?
- Any set details?
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'159409\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 03:28 PM\']
I can tell you some of the rule changes aren't *that* great. It sticks with Sale's format as far as questions go. Be prepared for a new bonus round called KnockOff which is essentially Wipeout. I've heard it's for game dollars, and one wrong answer means you lose all bonus money. One of these was supposedly in the main game as well. Fame Game's are revealed one letter at a time. Also, the shopping format stays the same, but as of now the absolute best you can do is a car for $995 I believe, meaning either you can earn a lot of money in Super KnockOff (the bonus), or it's going to take a long time to win. Be ready for an ungodly amount of female contestants and an incredible emphasis in shopping. However, things can change before the show officially starts taping episodes if they haven't yet already; we'll have to see. As far as I know, they're done casting men and they are exclusively looking for women 25-55 now. They are also casting male and female models currently.
It was going badly before because no one knew anything, even many production members. I was hearing from production people that they were surprised when they heard the September 10th debut date, as they didn't even know the show was completely greenlit.
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Even though they would have been better off just copy the details of AUS Temptation piece by piece, these changes don't sound that bad. The bonus round itself sounds interesting, and I expected the shopping part to played up more because it's going to be a predominantly daytime show.
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- Is "KnockOff" based off the Wipeout main game (ie. played with all three players) or the bonus round (with one player)?
Well I'm guessing that if KnockOff is in the main game, it's going to be three players, and the bonus version will be one.
- Any set details?
Wish I knew, but I don't. I'll try to get more exact info when I'm back from work, which should be in about 45 minutes as I'm just now piddling around on the internet waiting to go. Again, this was from the pilot that auditioning contestants were shown, and the pilot was shot in Australia. There's no word on what's staying or going just yet.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'159410\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 03:39 PM\']Is "KnockOff" based off the Wipeout main game (ie. played with all three players) or the bonus round (with one player)?[/quote]
If you lose after one wrong answer, it would pretty much have to be the main game format.
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The change doesn't seem that bad to me. At least the end game still allows for something dealing with shopping, unlike the Winner's Big Money Game from the 80s.
I like that they're going for a diverse age range.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'159409\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 03:28 PM\']
Fame Game's are revealed one letter at a time.
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Speaking of knockoff's, it sounds like the Fame Game is now a knock-off on the Wheel of Fortune Jump-in categories??
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'159441\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 07:02 PM\']
Speaking of knockoff's, it sounds like the Fame Game is now a knock-off on the Wheel of Fortune Jump-in categories??
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Yes, because Wheel was so original when they discovered the concept of revealing the solution to a puzzle one letter at a time...
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'159441\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 09:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'159409\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 03:28 PM\']
Fame Game's are revealed one letter at a time.
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Speaking of knockoff's, it sounds like the Fame Game is now a knock-off on the Wheel of Fortune Jump-in categories??
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A clear, unabashed rip-off of the bonus round from The $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime. Somebody get XPTLA's lawyers on speakerphone, pronto!
If the Fame Game really does turn out to be just "Guess this famous person's name," well, that's a downgrade. But the rest of the latest format news sounds encouraging. It's good to hear there may be a return to the shopping format for champions, and that there might be a bonus round in which the player could boost their shopping account - a nice tie-in to the scoring of the main game. (Let's face it, this is daytime programming on myNetwork; they're not gonna be throwing around 50 grand a game here, no matter how infrequently that cash gets collected.)
The Knockoff/Wipeout format for a bonus round also sounds promising. It makes for a nice divergence that can still fit in with the overall flow of the game, without having to be just more straightforward Q&A. Plus, it's something most people haven't seen before, so it should come across as something rather fresh. And if the Bonus Knockoff round uses a scoring format like Wipeout did, you'd have a game that would encourage risk, and you certainly could see those cash accounts shoot up rather quickly.
Even though my expectations for this one are probably foolishly high, I still can't wait for it to debut.
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I'm surprised nobody who's tried out has spoken up. The way I had the pilot explained to me by a potential contestant...there was no straight trivia. Either a clock was running or there was another gimmick. In this pilot, there was no fame game board, just a cash-on-the-score reward for solving it. After the final speed round, there were five more questions in a format similar to the Couch-Up round on "Couch Potatoes." Buzzing in stops a randomizer on an amount of money, which the question is now worth. That gimmick I actually like, but as an ending to the game, it's a far cry from the excitement of the 60 second speed round.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'159458\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 01:59 AM\']
I'm surprised nobody who's tried out has spoken up. The way I had the pilot explained to me by a potential contestant...there was no straight trivia. Either a clock was running or there was another gimmick. In this pilot, there was no fame game board, just a cash-on-the-score reward for solving it.
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I can only hope someone popped in a tape of the Aussie Temptation, and showed them that they're making changes for the sake of making changes.
After the final speed round, there were five more questions in a format similar to the Couch-Up round on "Couch Potatoes." Buzzing in stops a randomizer on an amount of money, which the question is now worth. That gimmick I actually like, but as an ending to the game, it's a far cry from the excitement of the 60 second speed round.
It's interesting, but it sounds like they're trying to do too much with a basic format. I don't mind changes, but when you start just adding stuff on G.P., you get a mess. I really hope they went closer to what Alex described.
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I know the show hasn't aired yet, but now my anticipation for this show is at a dangerous low after hearing all of this. I'm not ashamed to reveal my immense skepticism with their hosting selection; that I can hopefully forgive. But why couldn't they just follow the current format of Aussie Temptation and see where THAT goes before they made gradual changes? All of the major tweaks they made just seem too sudden and forced and I fear could make the game more complicated; it's bad enough they're actually putting in "home shopping" segments! Our versions of WWTBAM and DOND mostly have stayed true to their overseas formats and have been successful; why couldn't they do that with Temptation and make it at least a respectable game?
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Before the changes were posted, my expectations were fairly high. Now they've been lowered just a bit. It'll be intresting to see how the changes affect the game in any way shape or form.
It's nice to see that there may be some shopping incorporated at the end of the show. The Knockoff/Wipeout format still needs to be ironed out. If it provides risk-taking & challenges, that's fine by me. What I don't want is a rehash of the Winner's Big Money Game.
Intresting that $995 will be what you need for a car. That can only get you a nice Pontiac or a Mercury Villager or whatever car they have. It's not the same as risking all the shopping money you earned($750 in its heyday) for the entire Lot, still it'll be fun to see how far players take their accounts.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'159454\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 12:33 AM\']If the Fame Game really does turn out to be just "Guess this famous person's name," well, that's a downgrade. [/quote]
It isn't. Without saying too much and getting into trouble, let me just say that if anything, the new Fame Game will be an improvement on the original, but will be very much along the same lines.
Gang, I really think that traditionalist game show fans, especially fans of fast-paced Q&A, are going to have to work very, very hard to dislike either Temptation or Crosswords. You're just going to have to trust me and hold on for another month or so to see for yourselves.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159468\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 10:41 AM\']
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'159454\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 12:33 AM\']If the Fame Game really does turn out to be just "Guess this famous person's name," well, that's a downgrade. [/quote]
It isn't. Without saying too much and getting into trouble, let me just say that if anything, the new Fame Game will be an improvement on the original, but will be very much along the same lines.
Gang, I really think that traditionalist game show fans, especially fans of fast-paced Q&A, are going to have to work very, very hard to dislike either Temptation or Crosswords. You're just going to have to trust me and hold on for another month or so to see for yourselves.
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Speaking of MG's CWs, I had a chance to take a look at the promo spots yesterday, and there wasn't much as far as shots of the set and/or gameplay. The spots focused more on the fact that "60 Million People Do It Everyday", and "To Some, It's An Obsession", and the fact that the show was created by Merv, who also created "Wheel" and "Jeopardy".
There was one brief clip of 5(?!?) contestants arranged by 3 players on the top tier and 2 on the lower tier (though another shows 3 contestants walking down the ramp), but most of the few game clips focused on 2 players side-by-side.
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Hard to speculate on the final product of the show based on a pilot or what contestant coordinators at auditions say...I remember auditioning for Twenty-One before the show hit their air seven years ago, and the format had completely changed, top-to-bottom, from what we were told there.
Anyone have a complete affiliate list? Specifically looking for clearances in Philly or the Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon/York (PA) markets.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'159475\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 11:32 AM\']
Anyone have a complete affiliate list? Specifically looking for clearances in Philly or the Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon/York (PA) markets.
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KYW will have Crosswords in Philly; not sure about Harrisburg. It has also been reported that Temptation has been sold to all of the top 30, so that would include Philly.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'159475\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 11:32 AM\']
Anyone have a complete affiliate list? Specifically looking for clearances in Philly or the Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon/York (PA) markets.
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Check Program Partners's website. They listed all the affiliates so far, as of May 14. (http://\"http://programpartners.com/news.php?thisNewsID=53\")
/still waiting on a Norfolk station >:o
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'159461\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 03:34 AM\']
Intresting that $995 will be what you need for a car. That can only get you a nice Pontiac or a Mercury Villager or whatever car they have.
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Only you could make a statement like this, which makes absolutely no sense.
/okay, there's others
//I was being nice on this Friday afternoon
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Honestly, with all the changes mentioned, it sounds like it might be pretty good. I like the bonus round MUCH better than AUS temptation's bonus, which just-doesn't-fit, at least to me. I'm not a huge fan of the speed round changes, but overall I'm not quite as fearful as I was before.
Keep in mind, that I'm also understanding this is a predominantly daytime clearance show.
/Can we drop a showing of Maury to show this?
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Here's the deal, from my way of seeing it.
In Australia, you don't mess with Sale Of The Century. It would be roughly akin to Drew Carey walking through the big doors and reminding us that The Price Is Right is a game of definitions. So as a result they didn't do anything too weird with Temptation, because they would have been utterly lynched.
Here, yes, we geeks have a huge affinity for $otC, but it isn't nearly the institution here that it is Down Under. So this show is gonna come on the air and the fanb0is are going to cry "But-but-but this isn't Sale Of The Century!"
To which I say "Then it's probably a good thing that it isn't CALLED Sale Of The Century, isn't it?"
Temptation has no history in the US. They can make it pretty much whatever they want it to be. So I'm going to sit down and expect nothing. And if in that half hour, they present to me a decent GAME, a decent, traditional, no huge-money-ladder-with-lifelines GAME SHOW, whatever that game ends up being, I will be completely content.
(Okay, I'll want them to use the buzzer sound, too.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159492\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 02:00 PM\']
Temptation has no history in the US. They can make it pretty much whatever they want it to be. So I'm going to sit down and expect nothing. And if in that half hour, they present to me a decent GAME, a decent, traditional, no huge-money-ladder-with-lifelines GAME SHOW, whatever that game ends up being, I will be completely content.
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I agree, and perhaps I should modify my thoughts (see below). It's been almost 20 years, so except for the occasional fond memory (I've heard radio DJs bring it up as a childhood memory), it's probably a long-forgotten show.
I have no problem with changes to the show, as long as I see some trivia, something resembling the Fame Game, and buying prizes at discounted prices. I could care less about the pop culture trivia or pretty boy host, as long as they keep the bare bones elements, that is, buying prizes at discounted prices. I don't see this being a FUBAR like Card Sharks 01, so that's good. From Alex's description, I'm very eager, and I like the Wipeout variation endgame.
I guess my biggest fear (from reading the pilot description) is that they're trying to cram too much into 22 minutes. If they can pull it off, excellent. But Americans don't like complicated TV...one of the most popular games involves picking a damn briefcase, and if you can count to 26, you'll win {Herb Tarlek}Muy dinero{/Tarlek}.
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Lots of comments ahead:
Since $995 is only getting me a car, I'm hoping it's a fairly expensive car. I don't think a Corvette or a similarly-priced car is out of the realm of possibility.
If this new Fame Game it's just letters dropping in and guessing the name, then I personally feel it's no up or downgrade from the original. If there's another clue to it (a la Scrabble Speedword), then it's some improvement. At the very least, it should free up time for the other stuff.
About KnockOff, I think it could very well inject a lot of "money" into the show. I doubt it'll be this faithful to Wipeout, but I'm thinking it'll use the Fame Game board with 6 good/3 bad, and right answers start at $5 and increase 5. If it is, there's $100 in game money to be distributed, and even more (in theory) for the bonus version. Like I said, I doubt it'll be like this, but I'm also thinking there will be a higher frequency of 3-digit winners and maybe even a $200 winner after the bonus game.
The casting of women contestants isn't exactly a big concern, (although I really don't see it as an effective marketing tool) as long as the targeting is done in moderation. I do like having contestants with diverse backgrounds, so here's hoping we don't get 90% housewives.
Overall, I know I won't be getting $ale, but I think that the spirit of the game is being kept enough to make me cautiously optimistic. Now if only I could only figure out what Pittsburgh station will carry it.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'159480\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 12:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'159475\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 11:32 AM\']
Anyone have a complete affiliate list? Specifically looking for clearances in Philly or the Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon/York (PA) markets.
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KYW will have Crosswords in Philly; not sure about Harrisburg. It has also been reported that Temptation has been sold to all of the top 30, so that would include Philly.
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I read somewhere that KYW/WPSG will have Crosswords, yes...and I remember seeing that WPMT will run the show in my home market, probably alongside wherever they run Feud this year. (I'm glad Fox 43 picked it up because we have most of the Philly locals on our cable - including Telemundo! - but no KYW or WPSG.)
I meant to say that I hadn't seen a complete affiliate list for Temptation yet other than the press release lists, which never mentioned my market or the Philly market. Anyone?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'159504\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 04:37 PM\']
Since $995 is only getting me a car, I'm hoping it's a fairly expensive car. I don't think a Corvette or a similarly-priced car is out of the realm of possibility.
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I'm wondering if they'll take a cue from the Aussie version and offer the Volvo SUV. That's about $45,000-50,000.
This being MyNetworkTV, which still has yet to find a true breakout hit (even in limited run, the telenovelas flopped), I'm sure the budget won't be too heavy. Don't expect a Chevy Chevette, but don't be surprised if they don't offer a Jag either.
I think something like a Toyota Avalon, Chevy Impala, or even a Dodge Charger might work...luxurious, stylish, but not budget-breaking.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'159504\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 04:37 PM\']
Overall, I know I won't be getting $ale, but I think that the spirit of the game is being kept enough to make me cautiously optimistic. Now if only I could only figure out what Pittsburgh station will carry it.
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I just moved to the Burgh! Whereabouts are you?
/My money's on channel 11
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'159504\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 04:37 PM\']
Since $995 is only getting me a car, I'm hoping it's a fairly expensive car. I don't think a Corvette or a similarly-priced car is out of the realm of possibility.[/quote]
This is just the first in a long list of your comments that really all point to the same thing: Speculation about specifics before the show has aired is ridiculous. You have no idea what the point structure is going to be, and therefore no way of knowing how hard it will be to get to 995 points.
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Echo-ing the smart comments above by Michi-Matt
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159506\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 04:56 PM\']
This being MyNetworkTV, which still has yet to find a true breakout hit (even in limited run, the telenovelas flopped), I'm sure the budget won't be too heavy. Don't expect a Chevy Chevette, but don't be surprised if they don't offer a Jag either.
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....and furthermore.....
This isn't a MyNetworkTV show. This is a syndicated program, which will be airing on all networks...a good chunk of them coincidentally happen to be on MyTV affils, AND there will be a preview on MyTV Primetime, but this is NOT a MyNetworkTV show.
And people, please stop with the speculation on what cars are going to be offered. Unless you've been to a taping, you don't know. So sit back, relax, ignore Craig Karlberg, and wait one month. Then the analyzing can begin.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'159511\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 05:22 PM\']
This isn't a MyNetworkTV show. This is a syndicated program, which will be airing on all networks...a good chunk of them coincidentally happen to be on MyTV affils, AND there will be a preview on MyTV Primetime, but this is NOT a MyNetworkTV show.
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I keep forgetting it's syndicated through (I believe) 20th. Mea culpa on that one.
One more point from me...for those who say the Fame Game is a rip off of Wheel...the 80s Fame Game wasn't that original either. A "Who/What/Where Am I?" type of game, not really innovative, and I *loved* the 80s version. But let's not put a basic sidebar game on a pedestal while we rag on the latest sidebar game.
And for the record, didn't mean to cause any tinfoil speculation here with the car offered.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'159504\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 01:37 PM\']About KnockOff, I think it could very well inject a lot of "money" into the show. I doubt it'll be this faithful to Wipeout, but I'm thinking it'll use the Fame Game board with 6 good/3 bad, and right answers start at $5 and increase 5. [/quote] Not quite. Answers on the board are ranked according to difficulty, from $2 to $15.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159512\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 02:31 PM\']One more point from me...for those who say the Fame Game is a rip off of Wheel...the 80s Fame Game wasn't that original either. A "Who/What/Where Am I?" type of game, really innovative, and I *loved* the 80s version. But let's not put a basic sidebar game on a pedestal while we rag on the latest sidebar game.[/quote]Admittedly, the Fame Game is my least favorite part of Australian Temptation and the weakest part of my game. Anything that helps me to play along is an improvement, though a right answer will be worth only score money, and not a pick from a board. I also happen to like the pyramid style toss-up question, and thought it was used effectively on Sale.
(Both that and the Knockoff bits were told to me by a prospective contestant.)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159506\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 03:56 PM\']
This being MyNetworkTV, which still has yet to find a true breakout hit (even in limited run, the telenovelas flopped), I'm sure the budget won't be too heavy. Don't expect a Chevy Chevette, but don't be surprised if they don't offer a Jag either.
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These are pretty similarly priced.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'159567\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159506\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 03:56 PM\']
This being MyNetworkTV, which still has yet to find a true breakout hit (even in limited run, the telenovelas flopped), I'm sure the budget won't be too heavy. Don't expect a Chevy Chevette, but don't be surprised if they don't offer a Jag either.
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These are pretty similarly priced.
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Chevette or Corvette? ;-) I couldn't remember what Chevy's current compact car was called.
/the Aveo, I think...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159586\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 03:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'159567\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159506\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 03:56 PM\']
This being MyNetworkTV, which still has yet to find a true breakout hit (even in limited run, the telenovelas flopped), I'm sure the budget won't be too heavy. Don't expect a Chevy Chevette, but don't be surprised if they don't offer a Jag either.
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These are pretty similarly priced.
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Chevette or Corvette? ;-) I couldn't remember what Chevy's current compact car was called.
/the Aveo, I think...
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I saw Corvette. Oops. My bad. :-)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159468\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 10:41 AM\']
I really think that traditionalist game show fans, especially fans of fast-paced Q&A, are going to have to work very, very hard to dislike either Temptation or Crosswords.[/quote]
That's exactly what I'm counting on. Wouldn't mind seeing Split Second back sometime, too.
So, Matt, have you given any thought to auditioning for Temptation? How many people get the chance to be a swinger in two consecutive millenia?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'159736\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:31 PM\']So, Matt, have you given any thought to auditioning for Temptation? How many people get the chance to be a swinger in two consecutive millenia?[/quote]
Considering that I'm pretty close friends with the supervising producer in charge of the game material, I'm afraid that's not going to be an option...
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159756\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 08:25 AM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'159736\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:31 PM\']So, Matt, have you given any thought to auditioning for Temptation? [/quote]
Considering that I'm pretty close friends with the supervising producer in charge of the game material, I'm afraid that's not going to be an option...
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I hear you. Much as I want our mutual friend to be wildly successful in his chosen field, every time he gets a gig, I think, Well, there's ANOTHER show I'm ineligible to play... ;)
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The first episode of the US Temptation is in the can. And yes, the purists will certainly find all sorts of details to pick apart. But for most of you who appreciated $otC, I believe you will be pleased. The show stays true to the basic tenets of the 80's version, but with what I think are some nice updates, many of which have already been addressed here.
The basic game format (as best I remember it) is as follows:- Speed Round
- Instant Bargain
- Fame Game
- Speed Round
- Instant Bargain
- Knock Off
- Fame Game
- Instant Cash
- Speed Round
The second speed round has contestants choosing between one of two alternatives (think Remote Control's Dead or Canadian category, or YDKJ "Dis or Dat"). But my favorite round is the Knock Off round, with the contestants earning from $2 to $15 for correct choices (or getting locked out of the round for incorrect ones). And the endgame does give the winner a chance to earn more money in the Super Knock Off before going shopping or deciding to come back.
There has been lots of talk about the questions being dumbed down or geared more toward pop culture. I'll agree that $otC seemed to be a more academic show, but most of its questions were not really that esoteric. The questions on Temptation are, in my opinion, just as interesting and challenging as the ones we remember from the 80's. Also, I like the new set, which is actually larger than the one in Australia, but similarly constructed. And I believe that you will be pleasantly surprised by Rossi Morreale, who has both the requisite energy and a good understanding of the game.
In short, it's great to have an old favorite back.
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Sorry to ask what might be a dumb question David, but are there any "normal question" rounds where they're just worth a flat rate and aren't against the clock?
Thanks
Ryan :)
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'159936\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 11:32 PM\']
Sorry to ask what might be a dumb question David, but are there any "normal question" rounds where they're just worth a flat rate and aren't against the clock?
Thanks
Ryan :)
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Nope... everything takes the form of some sort of "round." It's not what we're used to, but I don't really feel like it takes anything away from the game. And, just to confirm, all speed round questions are worth $5 each, except for the last speed round, where they double in value.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159938\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 11:39 PM\']
Nope... everything takes the form of some sort of "round." It's not what we're used to, but I don't really feel like it takes anything away from the game. And, just to confirm, all speed round questions are worth $5 each, except for the last speed round, where they double in value.
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I like how this sounds...sounds like they're trying to keep it fast-paced, but it sounds like it works. Makes me even more eager to September.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159946\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 09:18 PM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159938\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 11:39 PM\']
Nope... everything takes the form of some sort of "round." It's not what we're used to, but I don't really feel like it takes anything away from the game. And, just to confirm, all speed round questions are worth $5 each, except for the last speed round, where they double in value.
[/quote]I like how this sounds...sounds like they're trying to keep it fast-paced, but it sounds like it works. Makes me even more eager to September.[/quote]And the Sprint Rounds in AUS Temptation aren't offensive at all. Just 20 seconds of short questions to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Would I want an entire show of Sprints? Naw. But they're a fine way to break up the tedium.
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In this fast-paced world we live in these days, the format seems to work out nicely. Many of the original features of the '80s $otC are present in this update. The Knock Off is a new one on me. I'm willing to give it a shot. I think the Instant Cash part stays true to our roots instead of the Cash Vault portion from Austraillia. It would be nice to see something like that here, but Instant Cash will do. We'll see what happens next month.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159934\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 10:35 PM\']
I'll agree that $otC seemed to be a more academic show, but most of its questions were not really that esoteric.[/quote]
Well, $otC has been described (scroll to bottom (http://\"http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2001-08-14-game-shows.htm\")) as "remedial Jeopardy!"
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'159976\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 11:19 AM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159934\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 10:35 PM\']
I'll agree that $otC seemed to be a more academic show, but most of its questions were not really that esoteric.[/quote]
Well, $otC has been described (scroll to bottom (http://\"http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2001-08-14-game-shows.htm\")) as "remedial Jeopardy!"[/quote]
Bizarre coincidence: The fellow quoted in that article is from the same small town in Michigan as me. I don't recognize the name, but how odd that two people from Haslett played SOTC.
Still, "remedial Jeopardy" is unfair to a solid quiz show. Yes, the questions were easier (and the flashy prizes probably struck some as stereotypically game-show silly) but competing against other players in trying to figure out the material and be first on the buzzer, no matter how difficult the questions, is a legitimate challenge.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159980\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 11:59 AM\']
Still, "remedial Jeopardy" is unfair to a solid quiz show. [/quote]
Agreed. But while SOTC wasn't post-modern enough to give dunce caps to contestants who answered in the form of a question, I wonder if the coordinators and Jim's eye-rolling had anything to do with that snarky nickname.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159980\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 11:59 AM\']
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'159976\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 11:19 AM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159934\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 10:35 PM\']
I'll agree that $otC seemed to be a more academic show, but most of its questions were not really that esoteric.[/quote]
Well, $otC has been described (scroll to bottom (http://\"http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2001-08-14-game-shows.htm\")) as "remedial Jeopardy!"[/quote]
Bizarre coincidence: The fellow quoted in that article is from the same small town in Michigan as me. I don't recognize the name, but how odd that two people from Haslett played SOTC.
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There's an episode of Sale floating around the circuit (I have it meself) with his first day (technically second, he was brought back) on the show, he won a Volvo on his first trip to the Winner's Board. Interesting stuff.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159934\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 10:35 PM\']
The basic game format (as best I remember it) is as follows:- Speed Round
- Instant Bargain
- Fame Game
- Speed Round
- Instant Bargain
- Knock Off
- Fame Game
- Instant Cash
- Speed Round
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Some other details about the above format that are different from what we're used to. As discussed earlier, the answer to the Fame Game question will be spelled out on the screen for the contestants as more and more clues are read. However, there is no Fame Game "board"; the contestant who answers correctly earns $15 on the first FG, $25 on the second one. (Personally, this is my only significant (but still minor) criticism of this version... the FG's "feel" like they're worth too much.)
Also, what I like is that the Super Knockoff, which gives a winner the chance to add $250 to their total before going shopping at the end of the show, allows for the possibility that a player could potentially buy the biggest prize available after only three or four shows. It's unlikely, since winning the extra $250 requires the player to get all six correct answers (out of 12 choices) without uncovering any wrong ones, but the potential is there.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160063\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 09:54 PM\']
Personally, this is my only significant (but still minor) criticism of this version... the FG's "feel" like they're worth too much.)
[/quote]Didn't you say that the final Speed Round questions were worth $10 each, though? That lessens the blow of a $25 Fame Game quite a bit.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160064\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 01:22 AM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160063\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 09:54 PM\']
Personally, this is my only significant (but still minor) criticism of this version... the FG's "feel" like they're worth too much.)
[/quote]Didn't you say that the final Speed Round questions were worth $10 each, though? That lessens the blow of a $25 Fame Game quite a bit.
[/quote]
Somewhat, perhaps. However, also note that all of the Speed Rounds are 30 seconds, so the effect at the end isn't as great as you might initially think.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160065\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 10:32 PM\']
Somewhat, perhaps. However, also note that all of the Speed Rounds are 30 seconds, so the effect at the end isn't as great as you might initially think.
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Oh, even the last one? Point.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159946\' date=\'Aug 8 2007, 12:18 AM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'159938\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 11:39 PM\']
Nope... everything takes the form of some sort of "round." It's not what we're used to, but I don't really feel like it takes anything away from the game. And, just to confirm, all speed round questions are worth $5 each, except for the last speed round, where they double in value.
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I like how this sounds...sounds like they're trying to keep it fast-paced, but it sounds like it works. Makes me even more eager to September.
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I do too, I didn't like how (on the Perry $otC) there were always the same amount of questions, and always in the same order (i.e. 4 questions then the Instant Bargain,...) leading up to the final Speed Round.
Although Perry's show did eliminate that Final 3 Question round where more times than not, the 3rd place player (and occasionally the 2nd place player) still couldn't take the lead even with a $15 sweep.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160063\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 12:54 AM\']
Also, what I like is that the Super Knockoff...since winning the extra $250 requires the player to get all six correct answers (out of 12 choices) without uncovering any wrong ones, but the potential is there.
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Sounds like there was a math guy on the producers' side. ;)
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'160074\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 10:20 AM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160063\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 12:54 AM\']
Also, what I like is that the Super Knockoff...since winning the extra $250 requires the player to get all six correct answers (out of 12 choices) without uncovering any wrong ones, but the potential is there.
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Sounds like there was a math guy on the producers' side. ;)
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Actually, I think they've figured out most of what they need on their own. But I do like the fact that, with the Knockoff round during the main game, contestants' scores will often not be multiples of 5 (thus rendering a $7 instant bargain as more potentially different than, say, an $8 one). That's the one math element that I was most pleased with.
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The all-30-second Speed Rounds are a bit of a bummer. Even a small extension would've been nice, but it looks okay as-is.
Is the Instant Cash actually the Instant Cash we remember or is it essentially the Vault (or something else entirely)?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'160125\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 08:57 PM\']
The all-30-second Speed Rounds are a bit of a bummer. Even a small extension would've been nice, but it looks okay as-is.
Is the Instant Cash actually the Instant Cash we remember or is it essentially the Vault (or something else entirely)?
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It's the Instant Cash we remember, although they've chosen to make the top prize start at $500 and go up by $500 for each day it is not won. Cosmetically, they're using wallets instead of boxes.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160135\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 09:50 PM\']
It's the Instant Cash we remember, although they've chosen to make the top prize start at $500 and go up by $500 for each day it is not won. Cosmetically, they're using wallets instead of boxes.
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(waits patiently for someone to complain that it's not nearly enough money to give away, and threaten to boycott the show as a result)
/even though we're the only ones who prolly remember the old Instant Cash segments.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'160137\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 07:20 PM\'][quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'160135\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 09:50 PM\']It's the Instant Cash we remember, although they've chosen to make the top prize start at $500 and go up by $500 for each day it is not won. Cosmetically, they're using wallets instead of boxes.
[/quote](waits patiently for someone to complain that it's not nearly enough money to give away, and threaten to boycott the show as a result)
/even though we're the only ones who prolly remember the old Instant Cash segments.[/quote]It's not that. With the Vault, a static $15 gets you a punt at $10,000. With Instant Cash, the buy-in varies, and so does the big payoff. I can't imagine someone giving up a huge lead for a 1/3 shot at $500. It will take them twice as long to get to the point where the decision becomes interesting.
(And I've found other things to complain about; Instant Cash is fairly far down the list...) :)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'160137\' date=\'Aug 9 2007, 09:20 PM\'](waits patiently for someone to complain that it's not nearly enough money to give away, and threaten to boycott the show as a result)[/quote]
Our friend Matthew Lesko (http://\"http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif\") will keep them in check. ;-)
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Has anyone been able to cook up a station list for the show yet? Been trying to find out when (and where) the show's gonna air for both the Lexington KY and Nashville TN markets, but haven't made any progress on either front.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'160151\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 02:30 AM\']
Has anyone been able to cook up a station list for the show yet? Been trying to find out when (and where) the show's gonna air for both the Lexington KY and Nashville TN markets, but haven't made any progress on either front.
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I was trying to figure out where it's going to air in the Columbus, OH market. No luck yet.....
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I was hoping the Vault would make it into our version. Even at a possible $5K per show payout, it's a great game mechanism for a few reasons: it's guaranteed cash to the leading player, hard to resist - I think it's bought about 90% of the time, and can have a huge impact on the final round.
For me, if I was on the Australian show, getting a chance at the Vault would be almost as important as winning the game.
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I presume they didnt add some important things to Shopping? Like... oh I dont know... THE LOT, and the CASH JACKPOT?
By the way, I'm glad they're bringing back IC... though I still dont like Knockoff/Wipeout.
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'160182\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 12:12 PM\']
I presume they didnt add some important things to Shopping? Like... oh I dont know... THE LOT, and the CASH JACKPOT?
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I don't think we know the details. They may well have.
(They won't call it Teh Lot here, of course.)
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'160180\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 02:04 PM\']
For me, if I was on the Australian show, getting a chance at the Vault would be almost as important as winning the game.
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Bingo. I've seen shows where the runner-up hauled away more than the night's winner, because they had the lead at Vault time and hit it for a $9K+ monster. And 9 grand in cash beats a $15K grand piano each and every time in my book.
Seriously, you expect me to piddle away a 4-question lead for a 33.3% shot at $500 cash? And who's waiting for me in the other two wallets? Andrew Jackson?
/Peter Gammons?
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For those who live in the Mid-Michigan area:
Just caught a promo for Temptation. It looks like it will be airing at 1:00 in the afternoon. It will be on WNEM's MyNet channel, so you will need a digital receiver or Charter/Comcast cable to get it.
Not sure if the promo used footage from the pilot or not. The set and theme was exactly the same as the Aussie one, but YMNK. And yes, the Bargain Hunters-esque home shopper segments are still there.
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[quote name=\'PYLclark86\' post=\'160448\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 04:26 PM\']
Not sure if the promo used footage from the pilot or not. The set and theme was exactly the same as the Aussie one, but YMNK.
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I thought they shot the pilot on the Aussie set, or am I thinking of something else?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'160451\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 04:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLclark86\' post=\'160448\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 04:26 PM\']
Not sure if the promo used footage from the pilot or not. The set and theme was exactly the same as the Aussie one, but YMNK.
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I thought they shot the pilot on the Aussie set, or am I thinking of something else?
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That's what I heard. Didn't the hosts change from the pilot to actual production though? The promo featured a few shots of the host (which I would doubt that they would show footage of a host that wasn't there).
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160187\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 03:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'160182\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 12:12 PM\']
I presume they didnt add some important things to Shopping? Like... oh I dont know... THE LOT, and the CASH JACKPOT?
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I don't think we know the details. They may well have.
(They won't call it Teh Lot here, of course.)
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David never said. Maybe that was part of the non-disclosure. I would think that some of the higher prizes would have been mentioned during the taping, though.
If they're injecting all that play money into the endgame, I would think either the Everything Prize would be somewhere in the four-digit range or nowhere at all. Since $995 seemed to be a semi-thought-out number (hey, set it here and we don't have to make a thousands column on the scoreboards), I'm betting the latter.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'160485\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 12:38 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160187\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 03:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'160182\' date=\'Aug 10 2007, 12:12 PM\']
I presume they didnt add some important things to Shopping? Like... oh I dont know... THE LOT, and the CASH JACKPOT?
[/quote]
I don't think we know the details. They may well have.
(They won't call it Teh Lot here, of course.)
[/quote]
David never said. Maybe that was part of the non-disclosure. I would think that some of the higher prizes would have been mentioned during the taping, though.
If they're injecting all that play money into the endgame, I would think either the Everything Prize would be somewhere in the four-digit range or nowhere at all. Since $995 seemed to be a semi-thought-out number (hey, set it here and we don't have to make a thousands column on the scoreboards), I'm betting the latter.
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I don't believe that they are allowing a contestant to play for all of the prizes on the stage, and I certainly didn't hear any mention of a cash jackpot. It wouldn't surprise me, however, if things changed to include those in a potential second season of the show.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'160485\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 09:38 PM\']
David never said. Maybe that was part of the non-disclosure. I would think that some of the higher prizes would have been mentioned during the taping, though.
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One, just because David never said doesn't mean it's not so.
If they're injecting all that play money into the endgame, I would think either the Everything Prize would be somewhere in the four-digit range or nowhere at all.
Two, that makes not one ounce of freakin' sense.
Since $995 seemed to be a semi-thought-out number (hey, set it here and we don't have to make a thousands column on the scoreboards), I'm betting the latter.
And three, the scoreboards are plasma screens, "columns" don't matter.
For your troubles, you receive:
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3903/failpw6.jpg (http://\"http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3903/failpw6.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160491\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 01:54 AM\']
For your troubles, you receive:
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3903/failpw6.jpg (http://\"http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3903/failpw6.jpg\")
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Poor, sorrowful kitty!
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Here's (http://\"http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6465509.html\") a fairly interesting B&C piece on Temptation regarding clearances and the length of the season (apologies if this has been posted already). It notes clearances are up to 202 stations or 97 percent. And still there doesn't seem to be a complete station list anywhere out there. I'm afraid I'm going to be among the un-tempted 3 percent of the U.S. As far as I can tell, no one in the Memphis market has picked it up.
Cheers,
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