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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: BrandonFG on July 24, 2007, 01:00:34 PM
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Didn't want this one to get lost in the other two threads, since they mainly discuss Carey himself.
But with Barker relinquishing the EP title, what are a few changes you'd like to see? I don't mean stuff like firing Rich Fields for Colin Mochrie or bringing back the arrow pointer split-screen thingy for Showcase Showdown...OK, that one I'd love to see myself. :-)
I'll start with a dress code for the prospective contestants. No more corny T-shirts kissing up to Bob. Not saying it has to be formal like in the 70s, but it shouldn't look like "Let's Make a Deal" either. Just something a little more casual, like Polo shirts, blouses, or a regular T-shirt, without puns. College shirts or military uniforms are still cool. The mid-to-late-80s eps. are a good reference point.
Speaking of college, tone down the audience...stop allowing them to cheer for everything. I couldn't tell if I was watching a game show or "Van Wilder".
If you update the set, graphics, music, etc., find a happy medium between 1972 and 2007, kinda like what they've been doing. The 1994 set was awesome, but I think that's a little too radical of a change. A mix of that and the current set would look great...maybe use the door borders from the '94 version, but I'd keep the turntable and what not. Part of the shows charm is that it looks like it's still stuck in a late-70s time warp, and that no other show is like that. Don't kill that charm.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158430\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 01:00 PM\']
Didn't want this one to get lost in the other two threads, since they mainly discuss Carey himself.
But with Barker relinquishing the EP title, what are a few changes you'd like to see? I don't mean stuff like firing Rich Fields for Colin Mochrie or bringing back the arrow pointer split-screen thingy for Showcase Showdown...OK, that one I'd love to see myself. :-)
I'll start with a dress code for the prospective contestants. No more corny T-shirts kissing up to Bob. Not saying it has to be formal like in the 70s, but it shouldn't look like "Let's Make a Deal" either. Just something a little more casual, like Polo shirts, blouses, or a regular T-shirt, without puns. College shirts or military uniforms are still cool. The mid-to-late-80s eps. are a good reference point.
Speaking of college, tone down the audience...stop allowing them to cheer for everything. I couldn't tell if I was watching a game show or "Van Wilder".
If you update the set, graphics, music, etc., find a happy medium between 1972 and 2007, kinda like what they've been doing. The 1994 set was awesome, but I think that's a little too radical of a change. A mix of that and the current set would look great...maybe use the door borders from the '94 version, but I'd keep the turntable and what not. Part of the shows charm is that it looks like it's still stuck in a late-70s time warp, and that no other show is like that. Don't kill that charm.
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No changes for me thanks, the host change is quite enough to swallow. :)
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I personally don't see the big deal with the shirts...and that's not because I have an idea for a shirt already..:-) I feel that the shirts (as dumb as some of them are) keep that fun-this-is-california atmosphere.
As for changes, I would hold off on any major changes for at least a season. Keep the current scheme on the turntable, but maybe change the door color to something new- how about the MDS scheme?
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Maybe a switch to have him enter through the audience every show.
And, two things that are changes from things Bob had to have a certain way:
1) A wireless microphone, maybe give Drew the option of going into the audience. (I don't have a real reason why right now, just a thought)
2) Bikinis! (on the models... ;) )
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158430\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 01:00 PM\']
Speaking of college, tone down the audience...stop allowing them to cheer for everything. I couldn't tell if I was watching a game show or "Van Wilder".
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How about letting people be themselves? If people want to cheer, let them. They're having a good time in the audience enjoying the atmosphere.
Part of the charm of Price is the genuine reactions from people in the studio, both on stage and in the audience. Yes, there are a few hams once in a while...but not interfering with genuine reactions is what makes sitting in the audience of Price much more fun than, say, a six-hour taping of Deal or No Deal full of pickups and extended reaction shots.
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No more animal shelter plugs. (not like I'd expect to see them)
Hey, that's 15-25 seconds, right there.
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'158441\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 02:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158430\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 01:00 PM\']
Speaking of college, tone down the audience...stop allowing them to cheer for everything. I couldn't tell if I was watching a game show or "Van Wilder".
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How about letting people be themselves? If people want to cheer, let them. They're having a good time in the audience enjoying the atmosphere.
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Where did I say I didn't want them to be themselves? There's a difference between having a good time and just being over-the-top. Price became more and more over-the-top. Not D/ND fake, but over-the-top, in an annoying fratboy type of way. The 70s, 80s, and 90s audiences had a good time, but it was under control.
Just my two shiny copper coins.
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I'd like to see the demonstration putt removed from Hole in One. By now, I think everyone knows how to use a putter (not necessarily well), but IMO, the only reason it was there was for Barker to show off his occasional make.
Now that Barker is gone, consider bringing back some of the retired games, such as Super Saver that were retired because "Bob messed up".
Hopefully, cheaters are put in their proper position.
Other than a few minor set changes (such as the doors), I really think the show will be fine as is.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'158434\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 12:16 PM\'] I personally don't see the big deal with the shirts...and that's not because I have an idea for a shirt already..:-) [/quote]
Is it something like this (http://\"http://www.gameshowvideos.com/images/whoseprice.png\")?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'158448\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 11:33 AM\']
I'd like to see the demonstration putt removed from Hole in One. By now, I think everyone knows how to use a putter (not necessarily well), but IMO, the only reason it was there was for Barker to show off his occasional make.[/quote]Um, yeah, that was pretty much exactly the idea.
In the earlier days, he made that shot a lot more often, so it made a lot more sense. His ego grew in inverse proportion to his golf game.
I'm guessing that Drew, not being a golfer, will not be attempting that putt, unless it's as a frivolous "hey, let me try it!" kind of thing. Which I could see him pulling off.
Hopefully, cheaters are put in their proper position.
I'm gonna guess that with a new host who isn't senile, isn't too vain to do an edit, and isn't EP and therefore not in a position to make that call, you're gonna see those situations come up a LOT less often.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'158448\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 02:33 PM\']
I'd like to see the demonstration putt removed from Hole in One. By now, I think everyone knows how to use a putter (not necessarily well), but IMO, the only reason it was there was for Barker to show off his occasional make.
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That brings up an interesting point...do you continue to use some of Bob's running jokes as an homage, or do you cut them so that Drew doesn't appear to be emulating him? For example, the inspiration putts, bringing up the "37 hour start-up" for Range Game, etc.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158467\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 12:23 PM\']
That brings up an interesting point...do you continue to use some of Bob's running jokes as an homage
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No. Bob's gone, the "homage" was his being permitted to breathe Studio 33's air for the last five years, and that's it.
He's gone, folks. Get over it. Not saying you're not, Brandon, but GOD am I getting tired of people clinging onto Barker's "legacy" as hard as they can around every turn. Let it GO, folks. Life goes on.
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[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'158452\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 02:41 PM\']
[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'158434\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 12:16 PM\'] I personally don't see the big deal with the shirts...and that's not because I have an idea for a shirt already..:-) [/quote]
Is it something like this (http://\"http://www.gameshowvideos.com/images/whoseprice.png\")?
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Not even close. :-)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158470\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 03:30 PM\']
No. Bob's gone, the "homage" was his being permitted to breathe Studio 33's air for the last five years, and that's it.
He's gone, folks. Get over it. Not saying you're not, Brandon, but GOD am I getting tired of people clinging onto Barker's "legacy" as hard as they can around every turn. Let it GO, folks. Life goes on.
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Understood, and I didn't mean to make it sound like it's worshipping Barker as a god, but I see what you're saying. It would almost be like Leno doing the mock golf swing everytime he walked out.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158467\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 02:23 PM\']
That brings up an interesting point...do you continue to use some of Bob's running jokes as an homage, or do you cut them so that Drew doesn't appear to be emulating him? For example, the inspiration putts, bringing up the "37 hour start-up" for Range Game, etc. [/quote]
I think you remove them for the most part. It's not Bob's show anymore. It's Drew's. Maybe the first time Hole in One comes up - have Drew try the inspiration putt just to try it, but nix it after that. Ditto the other small Bob jokes. (To me, the 37 hours thing got old years ago, so I don't mind a bit seeing it gone).
Another benefit will be the host not bringing the show to a standstill in describing his fear of being chased around whenever there's a Samoan, etc. contestant.
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There are many, many vintage music cues which have been retired and which could be dusted off now that Barker's gone.
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Bring back Bump! Bring back Bump! Bring back Bump!
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Fire Rich Fields and hire Don Pardo. No chance, but hey, it'd be an improvement.
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'158486\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 05:15 PM\']
Bring back Bump! Bring back Bump! Bring back Bump!
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Mmmm...Get some BBY stock today!
/and bring back SuperBall too, dangit.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'158490\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 03:02 PM\']
Fire Rich Fields and hire Don Pardo Gilbert Gottfried. No chance, but hey, it'd be an improvement.
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There, fixed that for you. :)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158483\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:19 PM\']
There are many, many vintage music cues which have been retired and which could be dusted off now that Barker's gone.
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I don't get this one (and I'm sure it's quite simple). Did Barker hold a moratorium on select cues?
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Did Barker hold a moratorium on select cues?
I believe so. Some he felt were too closely associated with furs. At least that's the rumor I've heard.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158504\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:55 PM\']
Did Barker hold a moratorium on select cues?
I believe so. Some he felt were too closely associated with furs. At least that's the rumor I've heard.
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Dear G-d. Please tell me you're joking.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'158505\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 08:02 PM\']
Dear G-d. Please tell me you're joking.
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I see your statement and raise it to a "Wow."
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'158505\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 08:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158504\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:55 PM\']
Did Barker hold a moratorium on select cues?
I believe so. Some he felt were too closely associated with furs. At least that's the rumor I've heard.
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Dear G-d. Please tell me you're joking.
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I detect some very subtle sarcasm from Chris, given his past connections to the show...(I apologize if I'm wrong.)
A change I'd like to see? More variety in the types of cars given away. Yes, I know that Bob and the producers have decided to give away only "American" cars for some time now, but then what's with them giving away Korean-made Chevy Aveos? Or any car made by Daimler-Chrysler, for that matter? Really, the car market is so global now that it's so hard to distinguish...why not offer a few Alabama-made Hyundais or Ford-owned Mazdas...
--Sam
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Here's an interesting scenario I would like to see but probably won't:
"I'm Drew Carey, and I approve this bacon."
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'158505\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 08:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158504\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:55 PM\']
Did Barker hold a moratorium on select cues?
I believe so. Some he felt were too closely associated with furs. At least that's the rumor I've heard.
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Dear G-d. Please tell me you're joking.
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Knowing Bob and how he tried to whitewash his past and rewrite history, I believe it.
SamJ93, I second your take on the cars. Given the global nature of the automotive industry and badge engineering, the patriotism that Bob foisted on TPiR is basically vain at this point given that the Chevy Aveo that is okay now was not okay when it was a Daewoo.
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We know how Barker felt about furs, and we know that certain music cues have been retired. I'm merely repeating a rumor that he retired some of those music cues because they were often used for furs. I don't see what's so far-fetched about that.
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Jewelery is akin to high luxury and high luxury often includes furs, so does that mean Price shouldn't have had jewelery?
I can understand cues getting retired because they sound old, but I don't think the audience is so Palovian that they would associate Cue 10238A to specifically a fur.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'158519\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 10:18 PM\'] Jewelery is akin to high luxury and high luxury often includes furs, so does that mean Price shouldn't have had jewelery?
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Except that your attempt to draw a connection between the two doesn't hold up. Jewelry and Furs can be considered luxury items, but there's no overlap of the sets, rendering it invalid.
http://www.drbullfish.com/luxitems.GIF (http://\"http://www.drbullfish.com/luxitems.GIF\")
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What's the association between music and furs then? And please don't tell me you made a Venn diagram specifically for this argument.
(The superset IS the connection)
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'158526\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 11:09 PM\'] What's the association between music and furs then? (The superset IS the connection) [/quote]
Except that the portion of your post to which I was initially replying doesn't mention the music at all, and even after multiple re-reads it still doesn't appear to have anything to do with music. You don't bring that in until later.
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That said, stopping the usage of music cues just because a cue was used with a fur prize on the April 27, 1973 episode strikes me as wholly absurd - though it does seem to fit Barker's pattern of behavior where furs are concerned.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'158526\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 12:09 AM\']
What's the association between music and furs then? And please don't tell me you made a Venn diagram specifically for this argument.
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Say what?!
Bob is adamantly against awarding furs on TPiR. You know that.
Cues commonly used for furs obviously struck a nerve with Bob.
Therefore, Bob didn't want to use cues that strike such a nerve.
/Why do I feel like a math teacher?
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I wonder since that the show is getting a new host, will the producers think about getting a permanent set of models. Since the new host will probably not be in the affairs of the models, maybe some camaderie between Drew and the models will be good for the show.
I'm betting that on the first day of taping with Drew as host, there will be a big conference with the staff on how the history of lawsuits, egos, and personal firings is over, and that a new leaf has been turned.
Second question: What is the history of Roger and the models?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'158519\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 08:18 PM\']
Jewelery is akin to high luxury and high luxury often includes furs, so does that mean Price shouldn't have had jewelery?
I can understand cues getting retired because they sound old, but I don't think the audience is so Palovian that they would associate Cue 10238A to specifically a fur.[/quote]
I can send you Barker's home address and you can ask him to send you a letter explaining his reasoning.
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My guess is that they now use daily-hire models as opposed to models who had personal-services contracts as in days of old.
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It makes sense anyway: if for some reason they couldn't give away cars anymore, would you expect they'd drop most of the car cues too, or should they use them to introduce day beds and popcorn carts? If Cliffhangers were retired, should they save the yodelling for the next cookoo clock up for bids? Actually that one might work....
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I've come up with a couple different scenarios I'd want to see play out:
1) Relieve Stan Blits of contestant coordinator duties, fire Rich Fields, make Roger EP, then leave the rest of the show as-is. In that order.
2) Change the set back to 1972.
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As many of you may've already heard, Drew is going to do the "help control the pet population" signoff. Aside from that, I agree with you all that he shouldn't carry over any of Barker's schticks.
Well, maybe he should do the inspiration putt the first time he does Hole-in-One. If he makes it, he keeps doing it until he wants to stop. If he doesn't, no more.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'158697\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 09:20 AM\']
Well, maybe he should do the inspiration putt the first time he does Hole-in-One. If he makes it, he keeps doing it until he wants to stop. If he doesn't, no more.
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No pressure or anything.
The Inspiration Putt thing is simple: does Drew Carey play golf? (I think the answer to that, by the way, is no...he seems to spend as much of his free time as he can pursuing his soccer photography, which is cool as he's quite good at it.) Anyhow, if he doesn't, he shouldn't be doing it. Simple.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158706\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 01:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'158697\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 09:20 AM\']
Well, maybe he should do the inspiration putt the first time he does Hole-in-One. If he makes it, he keeps doing it until he wants to stop. If he doesn't, no more.
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No pressure or anything.
The Inspiration Putt thing is simple: does Drew Carey play golf? (I think the answer to that, by the way, is no...he seems to spend as much of his free time as he can pursuing his soccer photography, which is cool as he's quite good at it.) Anyhow, if he doesn't, he shouldn't be doing it. Simple.
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I didn't know that about Drew. That gives me an idea for a new game. "Net Worth" where the object is to kick a soccer ball into a net. The more small items you get right, the larger your net becomes. Drew could do an inspiration kick and David Beckham could make an appearance.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'158696\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 12:12 PM\']2) Change the set back to 1972.[/quote]
Really? With everything in that lovely shade of '70s Kitchen Appliance Brown?
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There is no doubt in my mind that the daytime show needs to start using the six-digit Showcase podiums from the MDSs.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'158744\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 02:58 PM\']
There is no doubt in my mind that the daytime show needs to start using the six-digit Showcase podiums from the MDSs.
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There is no doubt in my mind that you're....wait, no, I don't want to experience bannination.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'158744\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 05:58 PM\']
There is no doubt in my mind that the daytime show needs to start using the six-digit Showcase podiums from the MDSs.
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Why? For what purpose? (I know I won't get an answer)
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158708\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 01:09 PM\']
That gives me an idea for a new game. "Net Worth" where the object is to kick a soccer ball into a net. The more small items you get right, the larger your net becomes.
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They could just revive "On the Nose" and add soccer as one of the events on "The Price is Right athletic field."
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'158744\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 04:58 PM\']
There is no doubt in my mind that the daytime show needs to start using the six-digit Showcase podiums from the MDSs.
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There's no doubt in my mind they should build attractive new ones. That's actually one place where monitors might work on TPIR, just because they could put up the prizes and do a nifty reveal on the bid difference. But if that's blasphemy, then do the eggcrates on much better looking lecturns.
And somebody with the show should at least look at the 70s set, because, despite the poopy brown, it looked much more tasteful than today's. They didn't have stars all over everything, for starters.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'158734\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 04:10 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'158696\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 12:12 PM\']2) Change the set back to 1972.[/quote]
Really? With everything in that lovely shade of '70s Kitchen Appliance Brown?
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Sarcasm....they always say "the set looks just the same as in the 70s" (except color, of course). So, changing the set to 1972 (except color) would require little to no work at all. :)
If they wanted a color choice...look at 1983-2001ish. The set looked good then.
[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'158744\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 05:58 PM\']
There is no doubt in my mind that the daytime show needs to start using the six-digit Showcase podiums from the MDSs.
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But this fits on the five-digit podiums quite nicely! (http://\"http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1788/mattleskomc9.jpg\")
(smacks forehead)
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I think Plinko needs to be 5 stories high.
(Credit to Neumms)
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'158744\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 05:58 PM\']
There is no doubt in my mind that the daytime show needs to start using the six-digit Showcase podiums from the MDSs.
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There is no doubt in my mind that you are PJTP, as usual. Please give one logical reason why they should add the six-digit podia. Matter of fact, how often does someone win over $100,000 on the daytime show?
/Paging Matthew Lesko... (http://\"http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif\")
//oh, BTW, you were wrong about Drew Carey not getting the gig.
EDIT: It appears others have already addressed Bandit's asinine post.
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look at the 70s set, because, despite the poopy brown, it looked much more tasteful than today's. They didn't have stars all over everything, for starters.
Agreed.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'158751\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 03:25 PM\']
I think Plinko needs to be 5 stories high.
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"Just place one chip flat against the board, and release it."
"Okay, Drew."
<click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click click click clack clack click clack click>
"Aaaaand we'll find out the results of this first chip...tomorrow! Until then, this is Drew Carey reminding you to help control the pet population..."
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158755\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 06:40 PM\']
look at the 70s set, because, despite the poopy brown, it looked much more tasteful than today's. They didn't have stars all over everything, for starters.
Agreed.
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I'll second that motion.
Besides, the current big doors looks like someone used SMPTE color bars as a palette for the colors.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158761\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 07:37 PM\']
"Aaaaand we'll find out the results of this first chip...tomorrow!
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Wait.. I missed something, a press release , I dunno. When did the upcoming season of Price is Right get moved to Fox?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'158767\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 08:18 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158761\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 07:37 PM\']
"Aaaaand we'll find out the results of this first chip...tomorrow!
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Wait.. I missed something, a press release , I dunno. When did the upcoming season of Price is Right get moved to Fox?
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Didn't you hear? After buying the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Post and USA Today, Fox bought CBS -- and also NBC, ABC, CW, CNN, Nickelodeon, SoapNet, GSN, Al Jazeera, and the Underwater Basketweaving Network.
Rupert owns everything. Coming up next: Randy West announces Hour 257 of "When Game Show Hosts Attack." ;-)
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Here's a change I'd like to see...no more summer reruns. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the summer reruns started when Barker started getting too old and didn't have the energy to work year round. Well, now there's a younger guy and I'm sure he can handle taping episodes year round.
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[quote name=\'Card Shark\' post=\'158770\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 08:05 PM\'] Here's a change I'd like to see...no more summer reruns. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the summer reruns started when Barker started getting too old and didn't have the energy to work year round. Well, now there's a younger guy and I'm sure he can handle taping episodes year round. [/quote]
They started doing the reruns in Summer 1976, so Bob's age probably isn't the reason - or at least the key one - why the summer reruns were adopted. Assuming that, then, why *did* they start doing the summer reruns?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'158769\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 07:22 PM\']
[Fox bought CBS -- and also NBC, ABC, CW, CNN, Nickelodeon, SoapNet, GSN, Al Jazeera, and the Underwater Basketweaving Network.
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CNNBCBS?
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[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'158775\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 09:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'158769\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 07:22 PM\']
[Fox bought CBS -- and also NBC, ABC, CW, CNN, Nickelodeon, SoapNet, GSN, Al Jazeera, and the Underwater Basketweaving Network.
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CNNBCBS?
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A Division of ABC.
/Who knew The Simpsons could predict the future?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158708\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 10:09 AM\']I didn't know that about Drew. That gives me an idea for a new game. "Net Worth" where the object is to kick a soccer ball into a net. The more small items you get right, the larger your net becomes. [/quote] And that would work if his hobby was soccer and not photography. (Never mind the "On the Nose" tangent which has been covered already.)
So, you lose sir. Enjoy your consolation prize of Wonka bars.
Drew could do an inspiration kick and David Beckham could make an appearance.
"Please watch my wife's insipid television show! No one else seems to care about her getting a photograph for her driver's licence!"
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'158784\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 10:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158708\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 10:09 AM\']I didn't know that about Drew. That gives me an idea for a new game. "Net Worth" where the object is to kick a soccer ball into a net. The more small items you get right, the larger your net becomes. [/quote] And that would work if his hobby was soccer and not photography. (Never mind the "On the Nose" tangent which has been covered already.)
So, you lose sir. Enjoy your consolation prize of Wonka bars.
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Well, then, maybe they could do a game about developing a sense of humor. Get it? DEVELOPING? :)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158797\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 10:13 PM\']
Well, then, maybe they could do a game about developing a sense of humor. Get it? DEVELOPING? :)
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Well played, sir.
Travis, you were just pwned. :)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158797\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 10:13 PM\']Well, then, maybe they could do a game about developing a sense of humor. Get it? DEVELOPING? :)[/quote]Oh yes, I got it. I just thought, and hoped, oh how I hoped, that the pun thing would die after "Cash and Carey" and "Showcase Hoedown." The latter of which being the gold standard by which all future Drew Carey/The Price is Right puns should be judged.
Later edit: I don't see how I can be owned when I pointed out why Jimmy's original joke was unfunny in the first place, to have him turn around and come up with another unfunny joke to follow on. Being charitable would say that the later was funny enough to make up for the former, and would make the exchange a draw.
I would save everyone a bunch of time by doing the Stewie Griffin "NOT FUNNY!" thing, but I'd have an awful lot of those posts, and I don't think I can come up with that many ObGameShows references.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'158799\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 01:26 AM\']
Oh yes, I got it. I just thought, and hoped, oh how I hoped, that the pun thing would die after "Cash and Carey" and "Showcase Hoedown." The latter of which being the gold standard by which all future Drew Carey/The Price is Right puns should be judged.[/quote]
Oh boy! Residuals! (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=13275&hl=&view=findpost&p=158130\")
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'158799\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 12:26 AM\']
Being charitable would say that the later was funny enough to make up for the former, and would make the exchange a draw.
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Apparently making two jokes that aren't funny is akin to pressing the button on "Flip-Flop" and winning the prize.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158534\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 01:45 AM\']
My guess is that they now use daily-hire models as opposed to models who had personal-services contracts as in days of old.
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And it was those "personal-services" which got Bob in hot water!
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'158697\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 12:20 PM\']
As many of you may've already heard, Drew is going to do the "help control the pet population" signoff. Aside from that, I agree with you all that he shouldn't carry over any of Barker's schticks.
Well, maybe he should do the inspiration putt the first time he does Hole-in-One. If he makes it, he keeps doing it until he wants to stop. If he doesn't, no more.
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I think Drew should keep the "Inspirational Putt" but not call it as such anymore. Maybe just reference it as a "demonstration putt" without all the fanfare, success percentage, and bragging that Barker puts into it -- just the way in Superball how Barker would demonstrate without any fanfare.
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'158773\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 09:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'Card Shark\' post=\'158770\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 08:05 PM\'] Here's a change I'd like to see...no more summer reruns. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the summer reruns started when Barker started getting too old and didn't have the energy to work year round. Well, now there's a younger guy and I'm sure he can handle taping episodes year round. [/quote]
They started doing the reruns in Summer 1976, so Bob's age probably isn't the reason - or at least the key one - why the summer reruns were adopted. Assuming that, then, why *did* they start doing the summer reruns?
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The logical assumption was that it was during that 75-76 season that they doubled up the length of the show to an hour, so even with 3 months of reruns, Bob was still working 50% more than in the first 2 seasons. If the show was still 30 minutes in length, it could easily be done. But remember, adding 3 more months of hour long shows is the equivalent of 6 months worth of 30 minute shows. And the TPiR people are working more hours than the other 30-minute shows already.
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I'm wondering since TPIR got a younger host and Studio 33 (sorry Bob Barker Studios) have HD adaptable cameras, do you think CBS would want to do TPIR in HD (Maybe not for the dailies but for primetime specials?)
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Rather than reruns, I'd prefer an occassional fill-in host. I'm not sure if it is ego that prevents that from happening in TV anymore (Leno) or upsetting the viewing patterns or what.
Since Todd and Mark could keep their regular jobs and know the show inside out, what would be the harm in tapping them for fill-ins, not to mention allowing the audience to familiarize themselves with these gentlemen should Drew decide to take a better offer.
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'158815\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 08:14 AM\']
I'm wondering since TPIR got a younger host and Studio 33 (sorry Bob Barker Studios) have HD adaptable cameras, do you think CBS would want to do TPIR in HD (Maybe not for the dailies but for primetime specials?)
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Um, I can't think of a single reason they would continue to do the daytime show in SD if they have all of the equipment in place to do it in HD. The capital outlay has already happened. In fact you would ABSOLUTELY do it all in HD to obtain maximum return on your investment.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'158808\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 04:17 AM\']
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'158799\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 12:26 AM\']
Being charitable would say that the later was funny enough to make up for the former, and would make the exchange a draw.
[/quote]
Apparently making two jokes that aren't funny is akin to pressing the button on "Flip-Flop" and winning the prize.
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Travis, take a look at this and consider if you really want to maintain your stance on Jimmy's joke.
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'158815\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 10:14 AM\']
Studio 33 (sorry Bob Barker Studios) [/quote]
Don't feel guilty--to me it was Carol Burnett's studio long before Bob's.
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'158815\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 11:14 AM\']
I'm wondering since TPIR got a younger host and Studio 33 (sorry Bob Barker Studios) have HD adaptable cameras, do you think CBS would want to do TPIR in HD (Maybe not for the dailies but for primetime specials?)
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I seem to remember hearing that although it has HD cameras, 33's control room equips aren't HD-capable yet. That was a while ago, though; has the situation changed since then?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158820\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 11:43 AM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'158815\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 08:14 AM\']
I'm wondering since TPIR got a younger host and Studio 33 (sorry Bob Barker Studios) have HD adaptable cameras, do you think CBS would want to do TPIR in HD (Maybe not for the dailies but for primetime specials?)
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Um, I can't think of a single reason they would continue to do the daytime show in SD if they have all of the equipment in place to do it in HD. The capital outlay has already happened. In fact you would ABSOLUTELY do it all in HD to obtain maximum return on your investment.
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Games will look like crap.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'158831\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 10:18 AM\']
Games will look like crap.
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This is what "paint" is for.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'158773\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 09:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'Card Shark\' post=\'158770\' date=\'Jul 26 2007, 08:05 PM\'] Here's a change I'd like to see...no more summer reruns. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the summer reruns started when Barker started getting too old and didn't have the energy to work year round. Well, now there's a younger guy and I'm sure he can handle taping episodes year round. [/quote]
They started doing the reruns in Summer 1976, so Bob's age probably isn't the reason - or at least the key one - why the summer reruns were adopted. Assuming that, then, why *did* they start doing the summer reruns?
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Well, for one thing, Bob wasn't the only one working year-round, and I'm sure there's some union stipulation saying that people can only work X hours per larger time unit. Plus, the purchase of episodes for a season is only so many, and I don't think that number ever reached 260 (a 52-week purchase of a 5-a-week show).
Also, I thought that Price was already being shot nearly year-round. Remember, on an average week, they only tape 5 shows. That means 39 weeks of taping to fulfill their 195-episode order, plus any specials or working ahead to get tapes in the can for later on.
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Barring strikes and pre-emptions, network daytime game shows did 260 a year with no repeats. Price was the exception.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158844\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 01:26 PM\']
Barring strikes and pre-emptions, network daytime game shows did 260 a year with no repeats. Price was the exception.
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Barely. First season had 254 eps.
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Barring strikes and pre-emptions, network daytime game shows did 260 a year with no repeats. Price was the exception.
It makes sense that Price would have done summer reruns as early as 1976, but do we know for sure that it did? I've read in more than one place that the earliest summer reruns weren't until the early '80s.
Anyone know for sure?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158835\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 01:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'158831\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 10:18 AM\']
Games will look like crap.
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This is what "paint" is for.
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Paint alone cannot cover up some how some of those games look. Having seen them up close, some have small chunks of wood missing from them.
I have seen workers doing a touch-up on games before showtime.
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Just from an estimate, how many games do you think would need an actual makeover, if not, redesign, and how much would that amount to?
I'm talking more than just a coat of paint.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'158850\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 03:04 PM\']
Barring strikes and pre-emptions, network daytime game shows did 260 a year with no repeats. Price was the exception.
It makes sense that Price would have done summer reruns as early as 1976, but do we know for sure that it did? I've read in more than one place that the earliest summer reruns weren't until the early '80s.
Anyone know for sure?
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It has been found on the actual CBS records that the show did indeed have summer repeats starting after the 75-76 season concluded. SteveGavazzi can explain in more detail, as he is a better authority on this subject than I...
SteveGavazzi, white courtesy phone...
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'158853\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 12:37 PM\']
Paint alone cannot cover up some how some of those games look. Having seen them up close, some have small chunks of wood missing from them.
I have seen workers doing a touch-up on games before showtime.
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I understand, but my point is, if they're going to go HD at all, at least enough to touch up six games worth of props to make them HD-tolerable, then they should go all the way and start the inevitable refurbishing project now.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'158855\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 03:40 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'158850\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 03:04 PM\']
Barring strikes and pre-emptions, network daytime game shows did 260 a year with no repeats. Price was the exception.
It makes sense that Price would have done summer reruns as early as 1976, but do we know for sure that it did? I've read in more than one place that the earliest summer reruns weren't until the early '80s.
Anyone know for sure?
[/quote]
It has been found on the actual CBS records that the show did indeed have summer repeats starting after the 75-76 season concluded. SteveGavazzi can explain in more detail, as he is a better authority on this subject than I...
SteveGavazzi, white courtesy phone...
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I've got The Price Is Right's entire first-run air schedule posted here (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/modules/mediawiki/index.php/The_Price_Is_Right_Timeline\"). Summer reruns did indeed start in 1976.
Back when TPIR was airing on GSN, people made a lot of bad assumptions because they were skipping episodes -- like, any time a pricing game showed up that hadn't been seen in that timeslot before, people seemed to assume it was the first playing. I think the belief that summer reruns started in the '80s stems from a comment Bob made one day that they were going to tape the last show of Season 9 later in the day, but "people won't even notice we're gone because we'll be showing repeats all summer."
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'158813\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 06:52 AM\']I think Drew should keep the "Inspirational Putt" but not call it as such anymore. Maybe just reference it as a "demonstration putt" without all the fanfare, success percentage, and bragging that Barker puts into it -- just the way in Superball how Barker would demonstrate without any fanfare.[/quote]Drew already has enough things to worry about than what to call his pre-game putt, if he indeed does one at all. If changes are made, those who would whine about such things are going to whine. If things stay the same, people are going to accuse Drew of trying to mimic Bob's style too closely. So it's really a no-win play.
I don't think the show improves at all by changing the color schemes, changing props, or doing anything that would not have been done if Bob was on for a 36th year. To me, that seems tantamount to a "do over". And the show doesn't need to go that way. They've been rolling for 35 years; they're doing several things right.
/changing the contestant coordinator, on the other hand...
//and maybe some of the personnel so that the show doesn't feel the same every episode
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Another "con" in the going-to-HD argument is the issue of the prizes themselves. Between transportation to and from stage and even the methods used to display them, many of the display prizes have small scratches or holes in them. (How do you mount a skateboard to a wall? You stick a screw through the middle of it.) Some of the refrigerators have white touch-up paint on them, but while it passes on standard definition, it's not an exact match. Some of the glamour is lost if the contestants are winning prizes that look used.
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Scott Robinson
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That's true of every TV show where the set gets rolled in and out of the studio. In the olden days that was just about every game show.
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A lot of the things that need replacing are things that have been done just in the past few years. That overpowering blue and magenta on the turntable platform has needed to go from day one. Likewise with the comic book theme on the doors.
I don't know if it's still there, but the Clam had a gray flannel wall covering on the interior which looked positively elegant. A decision should be made whether TPIR wants to go in a more elegant direction with graphics, or continue with comic-book and nursery-school graphics.
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I think that's the first time I've heard the words "the price is Right" and "elegant" in the same sentence. :-)
I do like the turntable area, even though it would look better if the pink was in the center...
My idea for a set though? Four colors- Red, blue, Purple, and Green. Turntable has green carpet, and the panels are in the order of Blue, Purple and Red. The door frames stay the same (Green with gold centers) and each door takes one color- Red for 1, Blue for 2, and Purple for 3. The logo is enlarged on the doors (traditional yellow and red, although I prefer gold), and on the doors are a tasteful arrangement of stars, MG asterisks, and dollar signs.
But that's just me...
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I'm almost afraid to say so, but I like the special showcase podiums better as well. Not because they have a sixth digit: never-used spaces in a score display (the fourth space in Family Feud 1992-5, Wheel from 1990-whenever they got the monitors) generally bug me but for this it's the shape of them. The regular ones haven't looked right since they moved the display to the top, but making them a bit wider and moving the angle to the section that says "showcase" instead of in the gap below it makes all the difference. Not that it matters enough to bother mentioning if the subject hadn't already come up. Maybe not even something I'd bother with if such things were up to me, but the newer ones *do* look better.
Things I *would* change? Nothing to do with anything more important than set cosmetics. Not being imaginative enough to come up with a new design that looks better, I'd put the turntable area back to the red carpet era (post padding), return the doors to having some sort of design around the sides with a large logo (just the plain one, no years, stars, balloons, confetti, etc) in the middle and solid color between (not sure what), and all-new colors for Plinko and Punchboard. Maybe black and gold.
Oh, and during the host entrance, it looked much better when *just* the middle pair of door panels opened, not quite far enough to bump the rest.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'158888\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 11:08 PM\']
Another "con" in the going-to-HD argument is the issue of the prizes themselves. Between transportation to and from stage and even the methods used to display them, many of the display prizes have small scratches or holes in them. (How do you mount a skateboard to a wall? You stick a screw through the middle of it.) Some of the refrigerators have white touch-up paint on them, but while it passes on standard definition, it's not an exact match. Some of the glamour is lost if the contestants are winning prizes that look used.
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Not to mention the cars that models have crashed into the doors. I'm sure hitting the door frame, even in Neutral could leave a scratch or dent.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'158880\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 08:29 PM\']
I've got The Price Is Right's entire first-run air schedule posted here (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/modules/mediawiki/index.php/The_Price_Is_Right_Timeline\"). Summer reruns did indeed start in 1976.
Back when TPIR was airing on GSN, people made a lot of bad assumptions because they were skipping episodes -- like, any time a pricing game showed up that hadn't been seen in that timeslot before, people seemed to assume it was the first playing.
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Thanks for the link. It's the first time I've seen that and I'm amazed at the info. Good stuff!
I think I can help with the GSN reruns question: when they first picked up the show in Dec 1996, they aired the half-hour episodes at 9 AM each day. They ran through the entire three-year package in just over a year (probably because of the fur-coat issues).
At 6 PM each day, they ran hour-long episodes. They started with the very first hour-long show from 11/3/75, but only aired '75 shows on Mondays. On Tuesdays it was 1979, Wednesdays 1982, Thursdays 1986 and Fridays 1991.
After about a year of that schedule, they then seemed to run mostly 1983 shows (with a lot of the Phone Home games) Monday-Friday when they aired the show at 4 PM.
I think that clears that up...if I've omitted any info, feel free to correct...
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158890\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 11:26 PM\']
A lot of the things that need replacing are things that have been done just in the past few years. That overpowering blue and magenta on the turntable platform has needed to go from day one. Likewise with the comic book theme on the doors.
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The blue and magenta is a bit bright, but for me, as long as they never revert to that awful Hollywood mural, I'll be okay.
I kinda like the "vortex" design of the backdrops, and I would love to see the door designs from the 1994 version again.
Someone mentioned that they plan to make small redesigns to the set, while keeping it retro. That makes me wonder whether it's being done for kitsch, or if they're just keeping the set mostly the same.
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I know there has been no mention of format changes for TPIR, but would anyone be opposed to a format like Davidson's, only for a full hour? This way, we could still have 6 pricing games, 2 showcase showdowns, and a 2 person showcase. This would free up a lot of time for Drew to interact with the contestants.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'159080\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:04 PM\']
I know there has been no mention of format changes for TPIR, but would anyone be opposed to a format like Davidson's, only for a full hour? This way, we could still have 6 pricing games, 2 showcase showdowns, and a 2 person showcase. This would free up a lot of time for Drew to interact with the contestants.
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That's the one problem I had with Davidson's version--it removes the entire premise from the show. What's the point of calling it "The Price is Right"?
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Plus, Mr. 420 fratboi dumba** gets right on up to play a pricing game. There's no built-in stopper system (aka Contestant's Row) in that system.
Do we really want more Mr. 420 playing pricing games?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158890\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 10:26 PM\']
A lot of the things that need replacing are things that have been done just in the past few years. That overpowering blue and magenta on the turntable platform has needed to go from day one. Likewise with the comic book theme on the doors.
I don't know if it's still there, but the Clam had a gray flannel wall covering on the interior which looked positively elegant. A decision should be made whether TPIR wants to go in a more elegant direction with graphics, or continue with comic-book and nursery-school graphics.
[/quote]
Amen! It's one thing to be retro, it's another to be tacky beyond belief. Hell, 70s graphics are hip again, to where you see TPIR's logo font everywhere. They could do a lot to update the set yet keep it in the famiiiar vernacular.
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TPiR's format right now has been squeezed to the bone, because of increased commercial time (including a 30-second increase a few years ago). Something's going to have to give eventually, unless Drew operates in Super Rush mode all the time.
My proposal, which is the lesser of two evils:
Reduce the number of pricing games and One Bids from 6 to 4, and keep the two Showcase Showdowns, with 2 players instead of 3.
But, keep the same audience for both tapings (giving 14 chances to come on down instead of 9, and 8 chances to make it up on stage, instead of 6). This'll save a LOT of time, plus it will give Drew much more breathing room.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'159086\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:38 PM\']
TPiR's format right now has been squeezed to the bone, because of increased commercial time (including a 30-second increase a few years ago). Something's going to have to give eventually, unless Drew operates in Super Rush mode all the time.
[...]
Reduce the number of pricing games and One Bids from 6 to 4, and keep the two Showcase Showdowns, with 2 players instead of 3.
[/quote]
Isn't that what they did for the anniversary specials (25th, 30th, Bob's 50th), to make room for clips and/or anecdotes? I'm for that if it encourages audience interaction, which works in Drew's case, being the new kid on the block.
/New Kid on the Block?
//I hope he has the right stuff...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159089\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:45 PM\']
Isn't that what they did for the anniversary specials (25th, 30th, Bob's 50th), to make room for clips and/or anecdotes? I'm for that if it encourages audience interaction, which works in Drew's case, being the new kid on the block. [/quote]
25th and Bob's 50th were 1/2 hour gameplay shows. 30th was hour (TP/Plinko/DP/Squeeze were at least played). I would be more for Casey's adaptation rather than elimination of the wheel.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'159090\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159089\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:45 PM\']
Isn't that what they did for the anniversary specials (25th, 30th, Bob's 50th), to make room for clips and/or anecdotes? I'm for that if it encourages audience interaction, which works in Drew's case, being the new kid on the block. [/quote]
25th and Bob's 50th were 1/2 hour gameplay shows. 30th was hour (TP/Plinko/DP/Squeeze were at least played). I would be more for Casey's adaptation rather than elimination of the wheel.
[/quote]
I forgot they took out the wheel. I'm definitely in favor of Casey's format, with the wheel.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the 30th anniversary special have clips and the like?
What are you planning to fill the time with? Do you really want to see Drew interact with some beach bum from UCLA?
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'159086\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 12:38 PM\']
TPiR's format right now has been squeezed to the bone, because of increased commercial time (including a 30-second increase a few years ago). Something's going to have to give eventually, unless Drew operates in Super Rush mode all the time.
My proposal, which is the lesser of two evils:
Reduce the number of pricing games and One Bids from 6 to 4, and keep the two Showcase Showdowns, with 2 players instead of 3.
But, keep the same audience for both tapings (giving 14 chances to come on down instead of 9, and 8 chances to make it up on stage, instead of 6). This'll save a LOT of time, plus it will give Drew much more breathing room.
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Or five stage games or one Showcase Showdown with the top three winners. With one SS you could play longer games in position #4.
It is not feasible to keep one audience for more than one show. They need to load in prizes and games and do blocking before each show.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'159096\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 01:10 PM\']
Do you really want to see Drew interact with some beach bum from UCLA?
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Hopefully the idea is, now that Barker is gone, they STOP PICKING THOSE PEOPLE.
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I don't know if this has been suggested, but I'd like to see a change to the Showcase in which both contestants bid on the SAME prize package. They could write down their guesses during the final commercial break (a la "Jeopardy") and Drew could reveal them afterwards. Obviously there would no longer be double showcase winners, but you'd gain at least a minute for game play.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'158805\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 04:26 AM\'] [quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'158799\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 01:26 AM\']
Oh yes, I got it. I just thought, and hoped, oh how I hoped, that the pun thing would die after "Cash and Carey" and "Showcase Hoedown." The latter of which being the gold standard by which all future Drew Carey/The Price is Right puns should be judged.[/quote]
Oh boy! Residuals! (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=13275&hl=&view=findpost&p=158130\")
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Damn, cutting it off before I could post:
Prices from a hat.
Price to Rap.
Super Prices
And, of course, The Hillbilly Version of TPIR...Drew's writers loves them hillbillies.
But serially folks...why not go back to the Cullen version for an idea ... related bonus prizes? Have the IUFB be something fairly minor - a $500 freezer or something - and then when the contestant comes up on stage, they get ... a herd of cows for the meat to fill it!*
*OK, I can see why Barker never did that.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'159096\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 04:10 PM\']
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the 30th anniversary special have clips and the like?[/quote]
Only before a couple of the commercials. It was almost all game.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'159115\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 05:25 PM\']I don't know if this has been suggested, but I'd like to see a change to the Showcase in which both contestants bid on the SAME prize package. They could write down their guesses during the final commercial break (a la "Jeopardy") and Drew could reveal them afterwards. Obviously there would no longer be double showcase winners, but you'd gain at least a minute for game play.[/quote]
What happens in the event of a tie?
And while it seems like there's only a small chance of that happening, what do you do if contestants start realizing that if they all just "secretly" bid $1, then they each win the prizes?
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Scott Robinson
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'159143\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 06:25 PM\']And while it seems like there's only a small chance of that happening, what do you do if contestants start realizing that if they all just "secretly" bid $1, then they each win the prizes?[/quote]Granted, this is giving the current contestant crop far too much credit, but if it was me:
"We both win on a $1 bid, so Joe Twelve-pack over there is going to bid $1. I'll just bid $10,001."
Every good thing (added time to use up) has a massive unintended downside (one-dollar ties).
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what do you do if contestants start realizing that if they all just "secretly" bid $1, then they each win the prizes?
The "420" bidders would love that. All of a sudden every showcase is $420.
To answer your question, you institute a rule saying that if both bids are identical, nobody wins. Then run for your life as the audience rushes the stage in revolt over what would be a very unpopular rule.
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I don't know if this has been suggested, but I'd like to see a change to the Showcase in which both contestants bid on the SAME prize package. They could write down their guesses during the final commercial break (a la "Jeopardy") and Drew could reveal them afterwards. Obviously there would no longer be double showcase winners, but you'd gain at least a minute for game play.
When I hosted a College version of TPIR in 05, we did this exact thing. In the event of them both going over, they would have to bid again, ala the one bid. The big problem with this is it pretty much guarantees a showcase win...and the sick sadistic part of me likes to see an occasional loss.
Hopefully the idea is, now that Barker is gone, they STOP PICKING THOSE PEOPLE.
...or at the very least cut back on them.
Reduce the number of pricing games and One Bids from 6 to 4, and keep the two Showcase Showdowns, with 2 players instead of 3.
Didn't Australia do this during the Mega $500,000 showcase days?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159179\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 05:33 AM\']
To answer your question, you institute a rule saying that if both bids are identical, nobody wins.
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That would RULE.
And you bring Willy Wonka in as your guest-host:
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159183\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 10:12 AM\']
Reduce the number of pricing games and One Bids from 6 to 4, and keep the two Showcase Showdowns, with 2 players instead of 3.
Didn't Australia do this during the Mega $500,000 showcase days?
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The Australian version didn't have six games to begin with.
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It is not feasible to keep one audience for more than one show. They need to load in prizes and games and do blocking before each show.
Just out of curiousity, in the '70s when the show was regularly a half-hour, did they tape multiple episodes in a day? If so, didn't they keep the same audience for several shows in those days?
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'159086\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:38 PM\']
TPiR's format right now has been squeezed to the bone, because of increased commercial time (including a 30-second increase a few years ago). Something's going to have to give eventually, unless Drew operates in Super Rush mode all the time.
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Well, they could shave minutes off of the sow if Rich Fields would cut some extraneous vowels from the words A New Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
That would leave plenty room for Drew to do his schtick...
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'159191\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 11:55 AM\']
[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159183\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 10:12 AM\']
Reduce the number of pricing games and One Bids from 6 to 4, and keep the two Showcase Showdowns, with 2 players instead of 3.
Didn't Australia do this during the Mega $500,000 showcase days?
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The Australian version didn't have six games to begin with.
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My mistake...I meant the 2PG's-SS-2PG's-SS-Showcase format that was proposed. I knew they didnt have 6.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'159195\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 09:42 AM\']
It is not feasible to keep one audience for more than one show. They need to load in prizes and games and do blocking before each show.
Just out of curiousity, in the '70s when the show was regularly a half-hour, did they tape multiple episodes in a day? If so, didn't they keep the same audience for several shows in those days?
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They did, but those were half-hour shows. The one-hour format changed all that.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159216\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 03:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'159195\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 09:42 AM\']
It is not feasible to keep one audience for more than one show. They need to load in prizes and games and do blocking before each show.
Just out of curiousity, in the '70s when the show was regularly a half-hour, did they tape multiple episodes in a day? If so, didn't they keep the same audience for several shows in those days?
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They did, but those were half-hour shows. The one-hour format changed all that.
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Actually, I was looking through some data I have on the beginning of Season 5 last night, and at that time, they were taping three hour shows every Monday and Tuesday.
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If the format stays as is, I think The Price is Right will end up being more heavily-edited and rushed, hurry-up offense style, than it has been. That's why I think the show can, in effect, do away with one "Showcase Showdown", as well as one fewer pricing game, and convert the "Showcase" into a solo player format, as I'll explain below when I divide what I would call The Drew Price is Right into 8 segments.
The first five of those would be the traditional IUFB/pricing-game pattern, which could be broken down into two car games [like "3 Strikes", "Pathfinder", or "Any Number"], a cash game ["1/2 Off", the Punchboard, or everyone's favorite, "Plinko"], a medium-prize game [like "Cliffhangers" or "Grocery Game"], and a quickie game [like "Squeeze Play" or "Clock Game"]. The quickie game can be the 4th segment, leading into the station break at the half-hour.
The sixth segment would be the "Showcase Showdown", which could involve either the Top 3 contestants, or all 5, with the same rules applying as before, and the winner going on to what would become a solo-player "Showcase".
That "Showcase" would be the seventh segment, and is patterned, I believe, after the "Showcase" on the British PiR during the Bruce Forsyth era in the 1990's. The winner from the "Showcase Showdown" picks one of several price tags that will indicate how close that player must come to the ARP of the "Showcase" without going over. Then come all the prizes, followed by the player giving his bid.
The eighth and final segment will be the "reveal". If the player's bid is within the range he chose, of course, he wins the showcase. If the bid is $250 or less away from the ARP, he also gets a cash bonus of some kind, like $25,000 [alarm and siren]. And on the rarest of occasions when a player is exactly right, which has never happened on daytime Price, he would win an even bigger cash bonus, like $100,000.
CBS could save some money when there's no guarantee that the "Showcase" will be won every day, I would think. And the format change could free up some time for Drew to interact a bit longer with the contestants, hopefully without overpowering them or the show.
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Time concerns aside (and frankly, I don't think the show's actually anywhere near the point of having to do this), I really can't understand why anyone would want to use the European Showcase format. All it is is a glorified, dumbed-down Card Game.
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Solo Showcase, IMO, is just as bad as dropping the one-bids. And both helped contribute to the 1994 version's demise.
Some things can be altered without a problem, i.e. going from six games to four, basically leaving one contestant from each Showcase Showdown. It's a minor change that changes up the game without royally FUBAR'g it.
Dropping the item up for bids or a showcase format that worked for 35 years is crazy.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'159238\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 04:32 PM\']
Time concerns aside (and frankly, I don't think the show's actually anywhere near the point of having to do this), I really can't understand why anyone would want to use the European Showcase format.
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It's quick, it's simple, and it involved pricing.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull the Range Game endgame from the Davidson version out of the mothballs.
Either way, turning the Showcase into an endgame is NOT the worst idea in the world. (Doing the Showcase Showdown with five contestants, on the other hand, is up there with turning Plinko into its own full show.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159241\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 08:00 PM\']
...on the other hand, is up there with turning Plinko into its own full show.)
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I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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Actually, I was looking through some data I have on the beginning of Season 5 last night, and at that time, they were taping three hour shows every Monday and Tuesday.
Are you sure it was three one-hour shows? I know they used to tape two one-hour and one half-hour when Barker emceed the nighttime show, and he was willing to do it. Three one-hour shows may have been tried but was shot down by Barker. At any rate, each one-hour show requires a separate blocking and thus a separate audience.
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So far, the only idea that really turns me on (i.e. doesn't turn my stomach,) is having two pricing games per half and two player SCSDs. It's shorter, frees up time, and it's still true to the format that has lasted 35 years.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159243\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 08:12 PM\']
Actually, I was looking through some data I have on the beginning of Season 5 last night, and at that time, they were taping three hour shows every Monday and Tuesday.
Are you sure it was three one-hour shows?[/quote]
The information I have is for the last week of Season 4 and the first eight weeks of Season 5, with separate data for each episode...so yes.
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The information I have is for the last week of Season 4 and the first eight weeks of Season 5, with separate data for each episode...so yes.
Don't make me count seasons. Month and year, please. Does your data contain tape times or how many shows each audience saw?
My visit to the two one-hour/one half-hour taping was in December 1979.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159262\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 01:54 AM\']
The information I have is for the last week of Season 4 and the first eight weeks of Season 5, with separate data for each episode...so yes.
Don't make me count seasons. Month and year, please. Does your data contain tape times or how many shows each audience saw?
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The shows were taped in May-August '76; the summer taping break lasted from Wednesday, June 15 through Sunday, July 25. The first week of shows aired at the end of June; the rest aired in late August, September, and October.
I have no tape times or anything about the audiences, but the data came out of the show's own files, so I'd have to assume it's correct.
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Someone suggested a while back to shorten the prize descriptions of the IUFB's and cut immediately to the audience when coming back from a commerical instead of a shot of the host pitching to the announcer.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159266\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 07:28 AM\']Someone suggested a while back to shorten the prize descriptions of the IUFB's and cut immediately to the audience when coming back from a commerical instead of a shot of the host pitching to the announcer.[/quote]
To free up enough time to avoid the sixty-minute two-minute drill, it might as well be:
DREW: Here's the first item up for bids on The Price Is Right . . .
RICH: A range. (Beat. Actually, make that a half-beat.) It makes cooking easy and convenient. Drew?
And:
DREW: And what do we have in the Grocery Game today, Rich?
RICH: Soup. Antacid. Cat food. Detergent. And remedy. Back to you, Drew.
Some other (however marginal) options:
* Move the Bob Barker Studio plug to the end tag, assuming you want to retain it. That buys ya, well, five seconds anyway.
* Cut waaay back on the false starts in the reveals.
* Try to get contestants who don't need to look to the audience for help with a higher/lower call after rolling a six, studio environment be damned.
* And something that definitely will never happen: If you absolutely must have that half-minute reaction shot of a contestant's it's-a-new-car floor routine, could ya at least take it to an inset somewhere so Rich can get on to the plug?
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This may be too much of a break from tradition, but they could pre-select the first four and have them in place at the beginning of the show. Who cares what their names are? As a slight concession to tradition, all of the rest would "come on down." Doncha hate it when someone takes the long way to get to contestant's row?
Another change would be the bidding. Instead of Drew asking for bids, the contestants would lock in the numbers in contestant's row while Rich is describing the product. If they take too long, too bad so sad, and they are out of the round. This would get rid of the $1 bids and all of the yelling in the aud.
People who don't like change are gonna be in a world of hurt come Sept.
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[quote name=\'mrchips\' post=\'159274\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 09:31 AM\']
Some other (however marginal) options:
* Move the Bob Barker Studio plug to the end tag, assuming you want to retain it. That buys ya, well, five seconds anyway.
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It's a nit, but it has long struck me as odd that they announce "The Price Is Right" twice in the introduction, before the contestants and after, and it seems long anyway. They should scrap "here it comes" and shorten it to, "From the Bob Barker Studio, it's television's most exciting hour of fantastic prizes! So-and-so, come on down. . . " So there's TEN seconds of quality contestant interaction. They could also speed up the first four by not following each one all the way down before reading the next.
A question: why, when they're short of sponsors for the grocery segments anyway, would they still have extra plugs for, say, crescent roll dough during the IUFBs--the "along with this prize goes a supply of" ones?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'159278\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 11:26 AM\']
A question: why, when they're short of sponsors for the grocery segments anyway, would they still have extra plugs for, say, crescent roll dough during the IUFBs--the "along with this prize goes a supply of" ones?
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Because it's getting sponsored and it needs to show up somewhere. Instead of having crescent rolls in every grocery game, they do that instead. Just an educated guess.
-Jason
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I am utterly flabbergasted that you all think finding ten seconds here and five seconds there are going to fix the problem.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'159276\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 08:08 AM\']
This may be too much of a break from tradition, but they could pre-select the first four and have them in place at the beginning of the show. Who cares what their names are? As a slight concession to tradition, all of the rest would "come on down." Doncha hate it when someone takes the long way to get to contestant's row?
Another change would be the bidding. Instead of Drew asking for bids, the contestants would lock in the numbers in contestant's row while Rich is describing the product. If they take too long, too bad so sad, and they are out of the round. This would get rid of the $1 bids and all of the yelling in the aud.
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You need to see a doctor. Soon.
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Doncha hate it when someone takes the long way to get to contestant's row?
It doesn't really bother me, but it's something I've noticed in recent years. Contestants seem to be taking a lot longer coming on down that they did in the earlier years of the show.
Another change would be the bidding. Instead of Drew asking for bids, the contestants would lock in the numbers in contestant's row while Rich is describing the product. If they take too long, too bad so sad, and they are out of the round. This would get rid of the $1 bids and all of the yelling in the aud.
One problem with that would be what if two contestants bid the same number - what do you do then?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159282\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 12:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'159276\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 08:08 AM\']
This may be too much of a break from tradition, but they could pre-select the first four and have them in place at the beginning of the show. Who cares what their names are? As a slight concession to tradition, all of the rest would "come on down." Doncha hate it when someone takes the long way to get to contestant's row?
Another change would be the bidding. Instead of Drew asking for bids, the contestants would lock in the numbers in contestant's row while Rich is describing the product. If they take too long, too bad so sad, and they are out of the round. This would get rid of the $1 bids and all of the yelling in the aud.
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You need to see a doctor. Soon.
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I gotta remember to use those smiley faces when I post.
Really, do we need to change anything beyond getting contestants who are somewhat aware of how much things cost? I can't stand seeing frat boys whose parents purchased everything for them agonize on the price of a can of olives.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'159283\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 12:22 PM\']
Doncha hate it when someone takes the long way to get to contestant's row?
It doesn't really bother me, but it's something I've noticed in recent years. Contestants seem to be taking a lot longer coming on down that they did in the earlier years of the show.
Another change would be the bidding. Instead of Drew asking for bids, the contestants would lock in the numbers in contestant's row while Rich is describing the product. If they take too long, too bad so sad, and they are out of the round. This would get rid of the $1 bids and all of the yelling in the aud.
One problem with that would be what if two contestants bid the same number - what do you do then?
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I'm gonna scrap that idea. Let's go with status quo. I always liked the Cullen way better, there was a number at which the bidding started and everybody was forced to bid more, just like a real auction. Of course, going back to that would be too much change, but it made the bidding more exciting than it is now.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159281\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 10:58 AM\']
I am utterly flabbergasted that you all think finding ten seconds here and five seconds there are going to fix the problem.
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I think you try that before you mess with the format. That, and I don't think the problem is so severe you start chopping out games.
Besides, I was a Minnesota Timberwolves fan. Be gentle today.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'159288\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 09:41 AM\']
I think you try that before you mess with the format.
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Great, but do you REALLY think that saving 90 seconds over the course of a show with this nickel-and-diming is going to make a difference?
(Hint: No.)
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Great, but do you REALLY think that saving 90 seconds over the course of a show with this nickel-and-diming is going to make a difference?
Not really...but as long as Drew doesn't have extended, overdue, twin-pregnant pauses like Bob, it may never come to this.
And Jimmy? Stop. Please.
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Regarding three tapings a day: I once talked to a warehouse worker who told me that long, long ago, there was a period where they did tape three hour-long shows per day. He said, not surprisingly, that the third taping of the day was always a challenge to get through -- I'd be really surprised if they tried it again.
[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159266\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 07:28 AM\']Someone suggested a while back to shorten the prize descriptions of the IUFB's[/quote]
They already did that the last time there was a time cut to the show. At least, as much as they could -- you can't cut the time that you've agreed to give to the sponsors.
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'159278\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 10:26 AM\']A question: why, when they're short of sponsors for the grocery segments anyway, would they still have extra plugs for, say, crescent roll dough during the IUFBs--the "along with this prize goes a supply of" ones?[/quote]
Sometimes the products don't work with the pricing game in the episode. For example, you can't put a $9.99 product in Bullseye, or a $4.89 and a $4.99 product together in Hole in One.
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Scott Robinson
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159291\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 01:05 PM\']
Great, but do you REALLY think that saving 90 seconds over the course of a show with this nickel-and-diming is going to make a difference?
Not really...but as long as Drew doesn't have extended, overdue, twin-pregnant pauses like Bob, it may never come to this.
And Jimmy? Stop. Please.
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Will do. I keep forgetting that a good number of people here are deadly serious when it comes to the fun world of game shows.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'159288\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 11:41 AM\']
Besides, I was a Minnesota Timberwolves fan. Be gentle today.
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I'm sorry.
When you want to watch some real basketball, let me know. :)
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'159296\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 10:22 AM\']
When you want to watch some real basketball, let me know. :)
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Which, if it makes Neumms feel any better, he won't find in any other NBA city, either.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159299\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 12:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'159296\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 10:22 AM\']
When you want to watch some real basketball, let me know. :)
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Which, if it makes Neumms feel any better, he won't find in any other NBA city, either.
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We do have the college team. Couldn't win 10 games last year. But at least there's no insincere owner or shockingly bad general manager.
One other TPIR change: they should hang a removable display with the bids in front of contestants' row so they don't have to ask. And they'll save more precious seconds if the new, younger host can hear the bids without them being repeated. It's not a world of difference, true, but I don't think it would take much to correct the pace.
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Before "TPIR," the only other daytime that did reruns regularly was "LMAD," in their ABC years. It seemed there was at least one rerun every week most weeks and even with the guest hosts, there were always rerun weeks. The difference was that the rerun weeks were sprinkled throughout the year rather than all during the summer. The clue, other than a different Spiegel catalog cover, was that Jay Stewart's "Now stay tuned for 'The Newlywed Game' next on most of these ABC stations" at the end was replaced with "the preceding was a repeat telecast."
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Has anybody else thought of this: Drew naturally will speak faster than Barker based on his age. Senior types speak slower and tell more stories. Younger types talk faster and tell faster stories, some of which we may not have heard before.
Problem solved, especially in post, because there is no way this show is being done to time anymore.
Josh
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An assortment of thoughts:
I'm pretty sure they're already cutting out a bit of the comings-on-down at the start of the show. Rich has been reading the next name as soon as the previous person hits the aisle.
I'm flabbergasted that anyone is flabbergasted that someone believes that trimming 90 seconds out of the show can make a difference. The only difference it's supposed to make is to balance out 90 additional seconds of commercials, and basic arithmetic argues pretty strongly that it will do that.
On the other hand, I don't think TPIR is nearly as rushed, nearly as often as some folks seem to think it is. Nearly every episode I caught in the past season had Barker filling time with the full explanations for the Showcase Showdown and Showcases.
On the third hand, even when the show is rushed by the end, you can usually point to a single segment that caused it: someone taking an eternity to play Cover Up, for instance. I think "live to tape" is an admirable goal, and TPIR can probably still meet it quite often. But if the choice is between watching someone gape at his buddies in the audience for a full minute, and forcing Drew to shift into hyperspeed to get the show in on time . . . hell yes, cut out the former.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159290\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 12:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'159288\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 09:41 AM\']
I think you try that before you mess with the format.
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Great, but do you REALLY think that saving 90 seconds over the course of a show with this nickel-and-diming is going to make a difference?
(Hint: No.)
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Note to CBS: Eliminate 2-3 minutes of commercial time and charge more for the remaining spotsets!!!
Hell, half of them spots are for prescription drugs or medical crap already. If Pfizer and Co. can't pony up a few extra bucks to air their 2-minute mini-infomercials, then I guess they'll have to do one less 4-page ad in the next edition of Southern Minnesota Basket Weaving Illustrated.
Even better, eliminating 2-3 minutes of commercial time could finally pit Alex Trebek and Wilford Brimley in a tag-team deathmatch for the title of daily senior health commercial superiority! :-)
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'159332\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 06:55 PM\']
I'm pretty sure they're already cutting out a bit of the comings-on-down at the start of the show. Rich has been reading the next name as soon as the previous person hits the aisle.[/quote]
You're half right...they're not cutting anything; they're just not waiting for people to get all the way to Contestants' Row before they call the next name.
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I didn't mean to imply that they were cutting-as-in-editing, but just cutting the tracking shots short.
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"Late for the Party for $10, please, Art."
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159240\' date=\'Jul 31 2007, 04:54 PM\']Solo Showcase, IMO, is just as bad as dropping the one-bids. And both helped contribute to the 1994 version's demise. [/quote] Admittedly, it didn't help that the syndicated show was so remarkably different from the daytime one, but I thought that the OJ Simpson trial had more to do with PIR'94's cancellation.
Personally, I liked both changes. There is no joy for me in watching four people take two minutes to bid on a refrigerator. The "strategies" employed have been there for years. There's nothing exciting in seeing someone go a dollar higher than the top bid, and then have the now-loser getting indignant about it. Or the "Oh yeah, I'm so smart!" face from a one-dollar bidder. And I thought the Solo Showcase was a nifty idea, both of which I would welcome, if those changes were made. Realistically, there's just no way that you can cut the One-Bids or the Wheel; they're too entrenched in the history. The only changes will be small, and probably inconsequential ones.
Really, the easiest way to get back time is to speed up the pricing games. Ten Chances should take all of three minutes, soup to nuts, if you keep the player from doing the deer in the headlights bit. And that goes back to picking the right group out in the line. But then again, TPIR has gone so far as to eliminate games that were deemed too hard, so I'm not going to hold my breath on that front.
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Hell, if shaving a few seconds here and there is so important, just fire Drew and have John Moschitta Jr. host instead. And have John replace Rich too while we're at it. Then the show can have six IUFBs, two Showcase Showdowns and full prize descriptions, and CBS can still have all the commercial time it wants.
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Note to CBS: Eliminate 2-3 minutes of commercial time and charge more for the remaining spotsets!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest thing I've seen here in a long time. You're serious about this? Man, if I were eating soup it would be all over the monitor by now.
do you REALLY think that saving 90 seconds over the course of a show with this nickel-and-diming is going to make a difference?
(Hint: No.)
That is the correct answer. Scott will take you back to the warehouse so you can pick out your prize. BTW, what is the "problem" we're solving again? I can see there being a time limit to the One Bid bidding. Drew calls out "five seconds" and that is the contestant's time limit. It worked for Bill Cullen.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159351\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 11:34 PM\']
That is the correct answer. Scott will take you back to the warehouse so you can pick out your prize. BTW, what is the "problem" we're solving again? I can see there being a time limit to the One Bid bidding. Drew calls out "five seconds" and that is the contestant's time limit. It worked for Bill Cullen.
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All of which could just as easily be solved with better contestant coordinators performing better interviews outside, weeding out the losers spending their time waiting by marking up a freshly purchased hanes t-shirt.
300 People in the studio audience. At least 9 of them have to have a brain in their head.
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I think there was one stretch of episodes where the contestants actually were firing out bids pretty quickly. Reportedly, Rich was imploring the crowd during warm-up to be quick about it.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'159358\' date=\'Aug 1 2007, 09:39 PM\']
I think there was one stretch of episodes where the contestants actually were firing out bids pretty quickly.
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Musta been finals week.
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All of which could just as easily be solved with better contestant coordinators performing better interviews outside
How do you know this problem is solvable with "better" this and "better" that? From your firsthand observation of the interview process, where do you think it's broken? What question do you ask that'll ferret out the slow bidders from the decisive ones?
If you implement a "15 seconds to bid" rule, if they don't get their bids in within 15 seconds (including a five-second warning from Drew), they're S.O.L. Done deal.
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How hard would it be for them to show a picture of some item, say, a box of Frosted Flakes? If they give some ridiculous answer, cross them off the list of potential contestants.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159362\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 06:03 AM\']
All of which could just as easily be solved with better contestant coordinators performing better interviews outside
How do you know this problem is solvable with "better" this and "better" that? From your firsthand observation of the interview process, where do you think it's broken? What question do you ask that'll ferret out the slow bidders from the decisive ones?
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It's broken in the sense that the current contestant interviewers have resigned themselves into finding the exact kind of people that we're critical off here on this board. The stoners, the ones with the bright and colorfol specially made t-shirts, the college kids who don't need a grandfather clock for the frat house, and of course, you have to pick a few from the groups that came in wearing the same shirt....
Some of us are old enough to remember that it wasn't always like that.
Can they pick 'better' people? You bet. Whatever questions they were asking prospective players 10-20 years ago, will likely still work today ... And , Gawd forbid, if the questions then were the same as the questions I was asked last year, then make a concious decision to slowly eliminate the loud tshirt wearing freaks. Over time, they'll realize that just by wearing a "I love Drew" t-shirt won't get an automatic pass to play, so they'll stop.
This is fixable.
(and yes, I think Modor's suggestion of holding up a box of corn flakes would weed out a LOT of losers)
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I agree that the show needs to stop looking like LMAD, but nothing you've proposed is guaranteed to keep out those who take 30 seconds to come up with a bid. If you show a box of corn flakes, people will simply repeat the bids they've been hearing from others in line. People take 30 seconds to come up with a bid because they've been allowed to all these years and they know they can get away with it. A 15-second rule would fix that once and for good, whether the contestant is a 19-year-old frat boy or a 90-year-old grandmother.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159369\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 09:31 AM\']
I agree that the show needs to stop looking like LMAD, but nothing you've proposed is guaranteed to keep out those who take 30 seconds to come up with a bid. If you show a box of corn flakes, people will simply repeat the bids they've been hearing from others in line. People take 30 seconds to come up with a bid because they've been allowed to all these years and they know they can get away with it. A 15-second rule would fix that once and for good, whether the contestant is a 19-year-old frat boy or a 90-year-old grandmother.
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To piggyback the above statements, I would also propose some set change to Contestant's Row so that the contestants themselves can see previous bids, so Drew doesn't need to repeat the bids.
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Hmmm...to go well with the "15-second rule", it would be nice to have flashing lights around each price display in Contestants Row. When the player is being asked to bid, the light would flash repeatedly. When the bid is locked-in, the light freezes on.
Once the 15 seconds expire, the light turns-off, buzzer goes off, and Drew goes to the next bidder.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' post=\'159375\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 10:39 AM\']
Hmmm...to go well with the "15-second rule", it would be nice to have flashing lights around each price display in Contestants Row. When the player is being asked to bid, the light would flash repeatedly. When the bid is locked-in, the light freezes on.
Once the 15 seconds expire, the light turns-off, buzzer goes off, and Drew goes to the next bidder.
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Seems to me 15 seconds is too long. Drew comes to the contestant and if it's obvious they don't have a clue, he says "three seconds." If they don't say anything in three seconds, buzzer goes off and he goes on. If they're running over, Drew says after the copy, "when I come to you, you have three seconds." It's worked for "Feud" all these years and it should work here.
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I just realized. Now what would happen if no-bids were locked in because each player's time expired, regardless of time limit length?
Back to the drawing board, yes. Though the remedies are endless.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' post=\'159378\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 12:05 PM\']I just realized. Now what would happen if no-bids were locked in because each player's time expired, regardless of time limit length?[/quote]
The last person to bid would be booed out of the studio because that person couldn't say "one dollar" within the time limit.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' post=\'159378\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 09:05 AM\']
I just realized. Now what would happen if no-bids were locked in because each player's time expired, regardless of time limit length?
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What happens on Chain Reaction if the contestants are so piss-poor at the endgame that they want to stop partway through? Same idea.
(That said, your "flashing light" system is utterly unnecessary.)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159369\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 09:31 AM\']
People take 30 seconds to come up with a bid because they've been allowed to all these years and they know they can get away with it.
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Exactly. So make em stop it. I don't remember them having this problem back in the day when there were , dare I say, more responsible contestants. It seems that if you told them during the warm up, not to waste time guessing a bid, they would do so. Eventually you'd get back to a set of normal contestants who, in effect, didn't waste time.
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159369\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 09:31 AM\']
A 15-second rule would fix that once and for good, whether the contestant is a 19-year-old frat boy or a 90-year-old grandmother.
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I agree...but I just can't imagine it working. It's so damn loud in there that if Drew said "3 seconds or your out", and then a buzzer rang, I think you'd just have some pissed contestants exclaiming "But I couldn't hear!"
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You could have Drew raise his hand and ask the audience to be quiet for a moment so he can get a bid from Joe/Jane Staller.
The audience is at least good at being quiet for games like Clock Game, so surely it's not too far afield to ask them to quiet down so Staller will finally bid.
/Someone in the audience has to have some sense... right?
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The audience is at least good at being quiet for games like Clock Game, so surely it's not too far afield to ask them to quiet down so Staller will finally bid.
At the show I saw a year ago, just before they started taping, Rich said something to the audience like "...wait until I finish describing a prize then yell out what you think the price is...remember, it's a party out there so have some fun"
If you try to take the audience out of the bidding process, I think you could have some problems because people have been so used to seeing audiences yell out prices for years.
Maybe Rich should say something like "...if you get called to come on down to Contestants' Row, you have 10 seconds to make a bid or your out of that round". That could do it.
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Before "TPIR," the only other daytime that did reruns regularly was "LMAD," in their ABC years. It seemed there was at least one rerun every week most weeks and even with the guest hosts, there were always rerun weeks. The difference was that the rerun weeks were sprinkled throughout the year rather than all during the summer. The clue, other than a different Spiegel catalog cover, was that Jay Stewart's "Now stay tuned for 'The Newlywed Game' next on most of these ABC stations" at the end was replaced with "the preceding was a repeat telecast."
I remember that they used to do that. At least they mentioned when it was a rerun, which is something I wouldn't mind seeing TPIR doing.
It was mentioned in another thread that the taping schedule seemed to be 4 shows short for a two-week period. Is it feasable for TPIR to sprinkle the reruns around, or is it better for a show like that to have them all at one time of the year? Would the ratings be better enough in the summer to justify airing some new shows at that time of year?
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I've been under the impression for some time that this season isn't going to start on time, so I'm not sure there's really anything to worry about yet.
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Drew comes to the contestant and if it's obvious they don't have a clue
Any rule has to be uniformly applicable to all contestants, particularly when you have four players competing. One person's "obvious" is another person's "not so obvious". Drew may feel lenient toward one contestant and dislike another. I don't have to explain any further the inequitability of what you propose.
it would be nice to have flashing lights around each price display in Contestants Row. When the player is being asked to bid, the light would flash repeatedly. When the bid is locked-in, the light freezes on.
They already have something like that. They're called "numbers".
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It was mentioned in another thread that the taping schedule seemed to be 4 shows short for a two-week period. Is it feasable for TPIR to sprinkle the reruns around, or is it better for a show like that to have them all at one time of the year? Would the ratings be better enough in the summer to justify airing some new shows at that time of year?
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They won't be short on shows. They will start taping 8/15-8/17 and then again the last week of August during that Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. That's six taping days with two shows each. Twelve shows. Sorry, I teach middle school for a living. They will most likely have another taping week the week after Labor Day giving another 6 shows. If they keep up with this pattern, all will work out in time for an early October season premiere.
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Elsewhere it was stated that they would tape six shows every other week. If they stick to that schedule they will be short.
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We also need to take into consideration any "Power of 10" taping schedule right now as well, since that is in NY and TPIR is in LA. By the time October rolls around, there's the possibility that Drew will be available for six shows every week.
But the main point still stands: six shows every two weeks won't get them started on time...and will keep them short.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'159426\' date=\'Aug 2 2007, 04:37 PM\']
We also need to take into consideration any "Power of 10" taping schedule right now as well, since that is in NY and TPIR is in LA. By the time October rolls around, there's the possibility that Drew will be available for six shows every week.[/quote]
Let's see how that does first. Right now, "Power" is only down for six shows, I believe, and they're either all in the can or being taped now. If "Power" returns to the schedule, it probably won't be until November at the earliest. All involved can figure out any scheduling problems at that time.
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Even better, eliminating 2-3 minutes of commercial time could finally pit Alex Trebek and Wilford Brimley in a tag-team deathmatch for the title of daily senior health commercial superiority! :-)
Nobody can beat Wilford Brimley- that guy knows how to rap.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OXEi7wN-Qug (http://\"http://youtube.com/watch?v=OXEi7wN-Qug\")
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It's too late to pick only people who aren't wearing those shirts: it doesn't look like they even *have* nine per show without them anymore, and they couldn't pick based on that alone.
The time limit might work, but you wouldn't want to start it at the beginning of this season or it'll just give the impression that Drew is mean.
Do they even make flat monitors the shape of the Contestants Row displays?
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159580\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:58 PM\']
Do they even make flat monitors the shape of the Contestants Row displays?
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No, but they don't make them the shape of the WoF score readouts either, and you'll notice they make those work just fine.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159590\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 04:41 PM\']
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159580\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:58 PM\']
Do they even make flat monitors the shape of the Contestants Row displays?
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No, but they don't make them the shape of the WoF score readouts either, and you'll notice they make those work just fine.
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The WOF score readouts are flat screen TV/monitors. You just can't see the rest of it because it's blocked.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'159592\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 02:11 PM\']
The WOF score readouts are flat screen TV/monitors. You just can't see the rest of it because it's blocked.
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Yes, thank you, I know that. That's exactly my point.
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159580\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 03:58 PM\']
It's too late to pick only people who aren't wearing those shirts: it doesn't look like they even *have* nine per show without them anymore, and they couldn't pick based on that alone.
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But now that they went to e-ticketing instead of the old CBS paper tickets, they theoretically have more space to list do's and dont's on the e-tickets -- one of which could be listed in [color=\"#FF0000\"]BIG-ASS RED LETTERING[/color] that (Homemade) T-Shirts are not permitted in the studio or will not be considered for the contestant pool.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'159624\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 10:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159580\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 03:58 PM\']
It's too late to pick only people who aren't wearing those shirts: it doesn't look like they even *have* nine per show without them anymore, and they couldn't pick based on that alone.
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But now that they went to e-ticketing instead of the old CBS paper tickets, they theoretically have more space to list do's and dont's on the e-tickets -- one of which could be listed in [color=\"#FF0000\"]BIG-ASS RED LETTERING[/color] that (Homemade) T-Shirts are not permitted in the studio or will not be considered for the contestant pool.
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They're still issuing regular tickets, as well, though, so that wouldn't get anywhere close to eliminating the shirts.
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The WOF score readouts are flat screen TV/monitors. You just can't see the rest of it because it's blocked.
Yes, thank you, I know that. That's exactly my point.
Yes, but the WOF displays have empty space to extend into, while the PIR ones appear to rest on the permanent floor.
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159744\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 09:30 PM\']
Yes, but the WOF displays have empty space to extend into, while the PIR ones appear to rest on the permanent floor.
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This is where we get familiar with the concept of a "set redesign."
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159745\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 09:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159744\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 09:30 PM\']
Yes, but the WOF displays have empty space to extend into, while the PIR ones appear to rest on the permanent floor.
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This is where we get familiar with the concept of a "set redesign."
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Not to mention the ever-popular "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159748\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:46 PM\']
Not to mention the ever-popular "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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Well, yes. But HYHYBT was ruling flatscreens out based on the current design, and I was merely mentioning that if they wanted to put in flatscreen monitors, they absolutely can make it happen somehow.
Do I think they SHOULD? Christ no.
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I'm not trying to say that it couldn't be done, only that it couldn't be done nearly as unobtrusively as Wheel did. Monitor-shaped 4-or-5-digit displays just look bad: either you have too much empty space or you make the font much too tall. Moving the displays off the stage would (I imagine, making no claims either to have seen the area in question in person or to any other special knowledge) require some sort of support on the audience side so they wouldn't tip over and which the contestants would trip on.
It could still be done... but why bother as long as they can keep the old displays working and reasonably decent-looking?
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'159782\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 09:58 AM\']
I'm not trying to say that it couldn't be done, only that it couldn't be done nearly as unobtrusively as Wheel did.
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I think you're wrong here.
Monitor-shaped 4-or-5-digit displays just look bad: either you have too much empty space or you make the font much too tall.
Don't disagree.
Moving the displays off the stage would (I imagine, making no claims either to have seen the area in question in person or to any other special knowledge) require some sort of support on the audience side so they wouldn't tip over and which the contestants would trip on.
I have to think the prop people could figure SOMETHING out. And it's your "I imagine" that I think bolsters my case. I haven't seen it either, but I'm inclined to err on the side of "the CBS prop people are friggin' good, that's why they work at the network, it would happen."
It could still be done... but why bother as long as they can keep the old displays working and reasonably decent-looking?
Also don't disagree here.