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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: xavier45 on July 03, 2007, 09:09:00 PM
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Well on GSN's site they have a preview of the first 11 minutes of the first episode of Without Predudice. And all I can say is this looks Great. Everything the panel said I agreed with them. This is a must see for me.
And this also could be nothing but good for the network. Since it is so controversial, the news will be all over this. Then people may hear about it and say "Hey this looks interesting" and then more people would tune in. We will see what happens on the 17th.
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Maybe we should approach this without prejudice. Let's wait until the show actually airs before calling it a hit. The first half-hour of "The Honeymoon Game" looked good, too.
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I'd agree with you, but the rounds are essentially the same, except with increasing amounts of information.
Wonder how opinions will differ between Camo and WP on that aspect...
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[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'156634\' date=\'Jul 3 2007, 06:09 PM\']
Well on GSN's site they have a preview of the first 11 minutes of the first episode of Without Predudice. And all I can say is this looks Great. Everything the panel said I agreed with them. This is a must see for me.
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So, wait, it's great because a panel shares the same personal views you do?
Wow.
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Our Brit version was a fascinating show to be sure, but I don't think it's going to play well to the average game show fan, on this board at any rate.
I watched the preview of your version, the host is quite irritating, but I think the panellists and contestants are quite an interesting reflection on American society.
Several of our panellists were on the panel for several episodes. Is it going to be the same over there?
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Actually on reflection, I say "interesting", I probably mean "a bit obvious and unsubtle really."
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'156646\' date=\'Jul 3 2007, 10:04 PM\']I'd agree with you, but the rounds are essentially the same, except with increasing amounts of information.
Wonder how opinions will differ between Camo and WP on that aspect...[/quote]On the face of it? Camouflage is at least a meritocracy. Without Prejudice is probably interesting in the same way that Unanimous tried to be; in the arguing of the Anointed Group of deciding which of the beggars is not worthy enough to make it to the next round.
An hour and a half of people deciding who to give money to? Oy.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'156669\' date=\'Jul 4 2007, 06:35 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'156646\' date=\'Jul 3 2007, 10:04 PM\']I'd agree with you, but the rounds are essentially the same, except with increasing amounts of information.
Wonder how opinions will differ between Camo and WP on that aspect...[/quote]On the face of it? Camouflage is at least a meritocracy. Without Prejudice is probably interesting in the same way that Unanimous tried to be; in the arguing of the Anointed Group of deciding which of the beggars is not worthy enough to make it to the next round.
An hour and a half of people deciding who to give money to? Oy.
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BBCA aired the UK version a few years ago (with an American voice replacing the UK voice-over announcer). Interesting, but I didn't stick with the whole run--and that was with Liza Tarbuck, a lady I like a lot, hosting.
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[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'156634\' date=\'Jul 3 2007, 09:09 PM\']
Well on GSN's site they have a preview of the first 11 minutes of the first episode of Without Predudice. And all I can say is this looks Great. And this also could be nothing but good.[/quote]
There, fixed that.
I refuse to watch this show.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'156646\' date=\'Jul 4 2007, 01:04 AM\']
I'd agree with you, but the rounds are essentially the same, except with increasing amounts of information.
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I absolutely can't forsee watching 90 minutes of this. 11 minutes on a website, okay, but to stretch it out that long reeks of desperation to fill a slot of prime time, and reeks of lazy editing (hey , I don't want to cut this down to 60 minutes. Fine, then don't! We'll just air 90!)
Thank Gawd xavier45 doesn't program my tivo.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'156738\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 12:32 PM\']
Thank Gawd xavier45 doesn't program my tivo.
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There are some days when I wonder if he *did*.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'156738\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 03:32 PM\']I absolutely can't forsee watching 90 minutes of this. 11 minutes on a website, okay, but to stretch it out that long reeks of desperation to fill a slot of prime time, and reeks of lazy editing (hey , I don't want to cut this down to 60 minutes. Fine, then don't! We'll just air 90!)[/quote]
To the show's defense, there are some parts that could warrant a longer time slot (day-in-the-life footage, Player-panel Q&A, roundtable discussion). I know that people would be up in arms if this were a 22-minute program with everything and the sink being cut out to make time. However, 90 minutes is probably 30 too many, and I don't even want to begin to think how long it takes to tape an episode.
I'm also wondering how many people are being turned off to this now just because xavier45 likes it.
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The premiere is the only 90 minute episode. The rest are 60 minutes.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'156741\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 01:55 PM\']
I'm also wondering how many people are being turned off to this now just because xavier45 likes it.
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Not at all, and I'll even watch it at least once to judge for myself. However, "I liked the show because I agreed with all of the comments the contestants made" is an eye-rollingly bad defense of his opinion.
There may be other reasons he liked it. They might even be reasonable ones. He didn't cite them.
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There’s this new online Zogby poll/survey on GSN.com to hype the new show, “Without Prejudice?” that basically measures the extent of your prejudices. It’s surprising what some of the panelists on the show say. They bash the others for being a certain race or things they’ve done. You should check it out; it’s pretty interesting. Check out the survey at gsn.com/withoutprejudice.
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First post a corporate website plug? Forgive me if I look askance.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'159575\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 03:04 PM\']
First post a corporate website plug? Forgive me if I look askance.[/quote]
Understood and forgiven. Frankly, if GSN corporate feels a need to sneak into our little fan community this way, I don't really have a problem with it. And if "mariorice" is just a big fan of the show -- albeit one who uses that stilted language* copy writers use when they want to sound web-casual -- then that's great too.
*...and if you're striving to make yourself sound web-casual, what's a semicolon doing in there?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159577\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:13 PM\']
*...and if you're striving to make yourself sound web-casual, what's a semicolon doing in there?
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Some of us like semicolons; when used properly, they are a powerful punctuation tool.
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There’s this new online Zogby poll/survey on GSN.com to hype the new show, “Without Prejudice?” that basically measures the extent of your prejudices.
Except I already know what my prejudices are: I hate hippies and French people. I don't need a survey to tell me that.
It’s surprising what some of the panelists on the show say.
No, it isn't, really.
They bash the others for being a certain race or things they’ve done.
That's almost exactly the textbook definition of "prejudiced," "racist" or "bigot."
Thank you ever so much for that.
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159577\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:13 PM\']Understood and forgiven. Frankly, if GSN corporate feels a need to sneak into our little fan community this way, I don't really have a problem with it. And if "mariorice" is just a big fan of the show -- albeit one who uses that stilted language* copy writers use when they want to sound web-casual -- then that's great too.[/quote] The thing of it is, we're not the ones who need to be convinced. We're their core audience. More marketing is wasted on us. They would better spend that money on radio ads, billboards and that sort of thing.
*...and if you're striving to make yourself sound web-casual, what's a semicolon doing in there?
That's all kinds of funny. A person tries to come off as "web-casual"...by using stilted language, as opposed to something that sounds natural.
But hey: they ran 49 Decent Game Shows and Freakin' Studs. So what're you gonna do?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159577\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 12:13 PM\']
Frankly, if GSN corporate feels a need to sneak into our little fan community this way, I don't really have a problem with it.
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Looking at this again: why don't you? I don't like what astroturfing does to a community. And you can rest assured that if it's tolerated, we're gonna start being spammed left and right.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159577\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 03:13 PM\']*...and if you're striving to make yourself sound web-casual, what's a semicolon doing in there?[/quote]
You mean it's not a clue to the content of the post? Semi-on-topic, semi-colon?
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After many weeks of not watching it, I finally decided to watch "Without Prejudice?" with my mom tonight (I wanted a second opinion on the show!).
I will say that I think it's a novel concept for a show, and, on paper, it looks really good. I will say that its intention was met with my mom and me: we were indeed discussing who we'd vote out during breaks. But, I definitely think the novelty is going to wear off after a while (if it hasn't already)...so many talk shows, news shows, etc. already explore a lot of these issues in many of the same ways.
I didn't really go into watching the show with high expectations, especially given what I've been reading here, but I will say that, at least to me, the show wasn't all that bad. I'm not going to nominate it for one of the 50 Greatest Game Shows (well, maybe if it gets Friggin' Studs off the list...), and I won't be making it appointment TV, but it wasn't a bad way to spend a night, either. I liked how the show was presented, especially in the 60-minute format (I can see how that 90-minute one would drag, though), and I thought some of the issues brought up were interesting, even if many of them have been brought up before on another show.
Oh, and, forget Vanna; I think Dr. Robi Ludwig has the easiest job in TV game shows right now...it must be nice to just announce what's going to happen and then just let people either explain their positions or (in the case of one panelist tonight) piss and moan because no one agrees with you...:)
Anthony
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' post=\'159616\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 08:31 PM\']
Oh, and, forget Vanna; I think Dr. Robi Ludwig has the easiest job in TV game shows right now...it must be nice to just announce what's going to happen and then just let people either explain their positions or (in the case of one panelist tonight) piss and moan because no one agrees with you...:)[/quote]
So why even have her do the show? In the UK version, Liza Tarbuck's degree is from the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts and she handled her limited duties just fine. GSN thought a doctorate would make the show sound more Important and Controversial?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'159784\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 10:03 AM\']
GSN thought a doctorate would make the show sound more Important and Controversial?
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That's my guess, because it sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with her being a relaxed and competent host.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159787\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 12:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'159784\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 10:03 AM\']
GSN thought a doctorate would make the show sound more Important and Controversial?
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That's my guess, because it sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with her being a relaxed and competent host.
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She was inoffensive enough when I saw her, but the thing a psychologist would presumably do well--drawing people out and moving the discussion along--she really doesn't do that well. If she's coming off as a nervous Jim Lange, they would really benefit by someone who can make pointed and probing follow-up questions. (Unless she does and they edit those out.)
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It's... mildly interesting. I watch it because I'm bored, basically. Not a complete waste of an hour. I see a few good moments, (like the first episode, where the Polynesian guy got a reality check about blacks), while there are those ugly, flip the bird moments (like the girl on the most recent episode, who was quite possibly one of the biggest racists I've see on TV.)
I agree that Ludwig's a mere seat-warmer, barely a moderator. She just... announces stuff. Meh.
*shrugs* It keeps me occupied until SVU, at least, because Singing Bee is a snorefest.
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After seeing that first episode, and seeing what's been played up in the commercials for episodes to follow (and they're dragging out *another* one for 90 minutes this week?), I've realized there's a much catchier, more marketable title for this show:
"America's Got Bigots!"
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'159825\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 07:59 PM\']"America's Got Bigots!"[/quote]Jerry Springer...was not available.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'159825\' date=\'Aug 6 2007, 10:59 PM\']
After seeing that first episode, and seeing what's been played up in the commercials for episodes to follow (and they're dragging out *another* one for 90 minutes this week?), I've realized there's a much catchier, more marketable title for this show:
"America's Got Bigots!"[/quote] I would put forth "Televsion's Perpetuating Stereotypes" but there are way too many big words for that to be marketable. Plus, that would be stating the obvious.
/The Big Bang Theory != good TV
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Right on Joe. Finally saw this wks episode and I'm not sure this is good for TV. There's a time and place for these kinds of discussions. I don't think as a TV show where someone wins money is it. But there are those out there who disagree and think this is good.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'159921\' date=\'Aug 7 2007, 06:30 PM\']
/The Big Bang Theory != good TV
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Great name for a porno, though.
/happy scrappy!
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Finally got to see a little portion of the show. Well, that was utterly pointless. If I wanted to watch people engage in bigotry I could just step outside and go seemingly anywhere within a 100 mile radius.
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pointless indeed.