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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Gus on June 30, 2007, 08:55:23 PM
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Isn't/Wasn't there a site/several sites that lists/listed the various wedge configurations of Wheel's wheel?
And am I crazy, or did the daytime version use pretty much the same configuration from the late seventies all the way through the 80s, up until the move to CBS?
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And am I crazy, or did the daytime version use pretty much the same configuration from the late seventies all the way through the 80s, up until the move to CBS?
Don't know about the site, but the daytime version did switch things around from time to time. Most notably are when they increased the top dollar amount. If memory serves, I think the top dollar amound for the first few years was $1000 for round 3. It was then changed to $1500 sometime in the late '70s, and by the early '80s it was $2000 (which became $5000 on the nighttime version).
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I remember the site too but I have no idea where it is. I know that Brad Francini's (http://\"http://gscentral.net/wof/wof.htm\") site has some WoF trivia and whatnot. I remember looking at the site with the Wheel configurations and remembering that the bitmaps were done in super high quality and it took a long time to download on my DSL connection.
On another note, isn't it about time that the configuration of the current Wheel is modified? Game show fandom arguments ("No one except YOU notices that! tee hee) aside, why haven't the wedges been changed for so long? Wouldn't hurt to see a $650 or $850 space out there, or more spaces >$1000.
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Well, it's a Yahoo Photos group, but I think this will suffice :)
http://photos.yahoo.com/yankeedog792000 (http://\"http://photos.yahoo.com/yankeedog792000\")
(Besides the Wheel configurations, there's some REALLY good looking game show set renditions there)
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'156540\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 03:57 PM\']
http://photos.yahoo.com/yankeedog792000 (http://\"http://photos.yahoo.com/yankeedog792000\")
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Hope this guy knows that Y! Photos is closing on 9/20...
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'156530\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 02:00 PM\']On another note, isn't it about time that the configuration of the current Wheel is modified? Game show fandom arguments ("No one except YOU notices that! tee hee) aside, why haven't the wedges been changed for so long? Wouldn't hurt to see a $650 or $850 space out there, or more spaces >$1000.
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2 reasons:
1: It'll cost money (though, I don't think it'll be a budget breaker, nevertheless...)
2: Are the general WOF viewers complaining? Not at all, only the hardcore pro-WOF GS fans and the general Wheel loons (heh), would be inclined to say anything.
However, it is my hope that for their 25th syndie anniversary, Friedman and the gang will change up the configs a bit. This doesn't necessarily mean increasing the budget, for those that would be concerned, but I, for example, wouldn't mind seeing the reemergence of the 1500 space on the Wheel, especially in Round 4, possibly even a 2k or 2500 space instead. Also, any way to reduce the bevy of 300 dollar spaces (maybe with an additional underused 350, 450, 550, or 700, as opposed to 650 or 850) would be nice.
However, I'm not holding my breath...
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For the last eleven seasons, since the move to Sony, the wheel has had the same base template of spaces for the entire show, with only the top dollar, second bankrupt, prizes, and whatnot being added on or moved around. In fact, examining that Yahoo Photos page, there've only been two bases, and the second one, from 1999, only modified six spaces from the 96 base, five of them 250s. They changed the colors around this past season with the HD wheel, but the values stayed put. So for the past eleven seasons, the wheel's been using the same amounts for the whole show, with the current values in use for eight.
Before then, they switched out the entire wheel and each round had a distinctly different configuration. I liked that setup because there were more values that were closer to top dollar than 900 is to 2500, 3500, or 5000. But even though they did change things a bit, it was always just a few spaces here, a few spaces there, maybe change the colors around. But by looking at that Yahoo page, it seems that in 20 years, from 1976 to 1996, in daytime and nighttime, they never did a total wheel overhaul. In fact, comparing the 1976 daytime round 1 wheel to the 1995 nighttime round 1 wheel, 11 of the 24 spaces are the same value in the same spot. You always had 450 right after Lose a Turn, etc.
While I'm on the subject, anyone know offhand what the typeface is for the spaces on the wheel? I was making my own wheel in Inkscape, but I used Clarendon, even though I knew it wasn't exactly the same. (EDIT: I found it. It's Volta Bold. Now to find a freeware imitation...)
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So does anyone here besides me *like* the fact that they leave the wheel alone except for special spaces? Not that I'd mind a bigger *variety* of regular spaces on that base wheel...
(somewhat contradictory edit: the Wheel Of Fortune hasn't changed its configuration in eight years and this is a problem... yet over in daytime TV, the Big Wheel hasn't changed its configuration in over 30 years and no one complains about *that*.)
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 10:41 PM\'](somewhat contradictory edit: the Wheel Of Fortune hasn't changed its configuration in eight years and this is a problem... yet over in daytime TV, the Big Wheel hasn't changed its configuration in over 30 years and no one complains about *that*.) [/quote]
Much as it would amuse me to see a TPIR wheel of
100
3
72
37
12
69
44
86
9
77
50
88
28
91
23
420
56
63
31
97
14
there's really not anywhere you can go with that format. You could change the order of the current numbers, but why?
There are some semi-legitimate gripes against the WoF wheel: huge chasm between highest and second-highest amounts, fully 1/4 of the wheel being the smallest dollar amount, etc. And the show's format doesn't have nearly the constraints on the wheel that TPIR's does. So I tend to agree that Wheel's could use a freshening up.
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'156586\' date=\'Jul 3 2007, 01:41 AM\']
So does anyone here besides me *like* the fact that they leave the wheel alone except for special spaces? Not that I'd mind a bigger *variety* of regular spaces on that base wheel...
(somewhat contradictory edit: the Wheel Of Fortune hasn't changed its configuration in eight years and this is a problem... yet over in daytime TV, the Big Wheel hasn't changed its configuration in over 30 years and no one complains about *that*.)
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The Big Wheel order has never changed since September, 1975. Even the experimental wheel had the current order.
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Wheelloon wrote:
However, it is my hope that for their 25th syndie anniversary, Friedman and the gang will change up the configs a bit. This doesn't necessarily mean increasing the budget, for those that would be concerned, but I, for example, wouldn't mind seeing the reemergence of the 1500 space on the Wheel, especially in Round 4, possibly even a 2k or 2500 space instead. Also, any way to reduce the bevy of 300 dollar spaces (maybe with an additional underused 350, 450, 550, or 700, as opposed to 650 or 850) would be nice.
I don't watch WOF much, but I wonder if a case of faux "Mo Money Syndrome" wouldn't be a bad thing. I'm thinking something along the lines of changing a few of the prizes in the end game: something like one 25K card to 30K; the 35K becomes a 40K; the 45K becomes a 50K; and a second of the $25K cards becomes a $75,000 card. Budget the increase by getting rid of one of the two toss-ups at the top of the show.
Based on how often the bonus round is won, the total prize budget wouldn't be that much larger, but it would certainly look as though they were giving away more money, since there would be more people landing on higher-value prizes.
The switch to HD probably would have been a good time to do something similar with the wheel.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'156660\' date=\'Jul 4 2007, 01:03 PM\']
I don't watch WOF much, but I wonder if a case of faux "Mo Money Syndrome" wouldn't be a bad thing.
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You mean, more than it already has?
No thanks.
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I think Matthew Lesko would like to speak to some of you...
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif (http://\"http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif\")
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'156586\' date=\'Jul 3 2007, 01:41 AM\']
(somewhat contradictory edit: the Wheel Of Fortune hasn't changed its configuration in eight years and this is a problem... yet over in daytime TV, the Big Wheel hasn't changed its configuration in over 30 years and no one complains about *that*.)
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Yes that is true, but the big wheel on TPIR is not really the most important part of the show and only seen about 6 minutes for every show. The wheel on WOF is probably the most important part of the show and gets a lot of air time.
Also, changing the wedges on the wheel wouldn't take long. When I won one of Brad Francini's giveaways, I got a tape that included WABC doing a report called "The Great Game Show Comeback" which included included a behind the scenes look of WOF. The wheel's spaces were cut into two halves. One-half was replaced, wheel spun, and the other half is replaced. By the looks of it, the whole replacement could take less than a standard commercial break. I'm not sure how expensive it would take to create new wedges, but it looks like it can be included in stagehand duties without incurring more expense.
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Wheel would be equally appealing to me if they gave away a million dollars or 10 cents. That is, not very appealing.
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'156553\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 06:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'156530\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 02:00 PM\']On another note, isn't it about time that the configuration of the current Wheel is modified? Game show fandom arguments ("No one except YOU notices that! tee hee) aside, why haven't the wedges been changed for so long? Wouldn't hurt to see a $650 or $850 space out there, or more spaces >$1000.
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2 reasons:
1: It'll cost money (though, I don't think it'll be a budget breaker, nevertheless...)
2: Are the general WOF viewers complaining? Not at all, only the hardcore pro-WOF GS fans and the general Wheel loons (heh), would be inclined to say anything.
However, it is my hope that for their 25th syndie anniversary, Friedman and the gang will change up the configs a bit. This doesn't necessarily mean increasing the budget, for those that would be concerned, but I, for example, wouldn't mind seeing the reemergence of the 1500 space on the Wheel, especially in Round 4, possibly even a 2k or 2500 space instead. Also, any way to reduce the bevy of 300 dollar spaces (maybe with an additional underused 350, 450, 550, or 700, as opposed to 650 or 850) would be nice.
However, I'm not holding my breath...
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I agree that there should be $1000 or $1500, but I also believe there should be amounts less than the cost of a vowel. Bring back $150, $100, even $50, or my personal favorite $175. I felt the problem with the Goen wheel wasn't the presence of $50 and $75, but that the entire wheel was cheap. There's nothing wrong with a few low numbers, offset by a couple of raised amounts.
John Brocato
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I personally liked the way they did the wheel in the early 90s.
- Start off with a TDV of $1,000.
- 2nd round, replace $1,000 with $2,500. Everything else stays sub-$1,000.
- Round 3, second half of the game. New wheel with bigger amounts. $3,500 shows up and $1,000 comes back.
- Finally, round 4. $5,000 makes its appearance with $1,500 bringing up the rear.
The point is to have enough lower spaces ($150, $200, etc) that you can afford to have two or three sizable spaces. This way, $900 isn't second place to $5,000.
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Maybe we'll see an all-video wheel in he not-too-distant future. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility...would make changing configurations, etc. very cheap.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'156697\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 07:53 AM\']
Maybe we'll see an all-video wheel in he not-too-distant future. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility...would make changing configurations, etc. very cheap.
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I would suggest that the INCREDIBLE added expense (and make no mistake, it would be VERY expensive) would be extremely unlikely to make up for the way they do it now, which isn't expensive at all.
I will also try one more time to get through to the fanb0is: Joe Sixpack doesn't notice this AT ALL. Joe Sixpack sees the colorful spinning wheel and says "ooooh, shiny!" That's it. So don't hold your breath on it changing.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'156703\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 10:47 AM\']
I will also try one more time to get through to the fanb0is fanb0iz: Joe Sixpack doesn't notice this AT ALL. Joe Sixpack sees the colorful spinning wheel and says "ooooh, shiny!" That's it. So don't hold your breath on it changing.
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Fixed. I don't want you to get in trouble with the moderators! :-)
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'156724\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 10:39 AM\']
fanb0is fanb0iz
Fixed. I don't want you to get in trouble with the moderators! :-)
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Frankly, that annoys the hell out of me. If I want to spell it "fanb0is", that's how I will spell it. The mods can bloody well deal.
I know you're just trying to fun a little, Joe, so it's not personal in the least, but I did find that irksome.
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I'm totally in favor of a greater stair step up to higher values on the wheel. If they want to keep the current pattern of 2500-3500-3500-5000 as top dollar in the rounds, then I propose the following:
- Round 1: $2,500 top with $1,000 second value
- Round 2: $3,500 top with $1,500 second value
- Round 3: $3,500 top with $1,500 second value, plus $1,000 Mystery Wedges
- Round 4: $5,000 top with $2,000 second value and $1,000 third value
- Rounds 5+: $5,000 top with $2,500 second value and $1,000 third value
It adds a little more money, but nothing too severe.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'156697\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 10:53 AM\']
Maybe we'll see an all-video wheel in he not-too-distant future. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility...would make changing configurations, etc. very cheap.
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I had that thought one time, along with a video wall Hollywood Squares, similar to what Scattergories or Small Talk did. The Squares thing was my biggest fear prior to the '98 version. I think in both cases, the producers realize just how crappy that would look to the viewers.
Some things can be made easier with new technology, i.e. monitors instead of trilons (Pyramid, Win Ben Stein's Money, Debt), or the new puzzle board. The virtual wheel would just look BAD. I mean, leave a horrible aftertaste bad.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'156734\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 12:17 PM\']
It adds a little more money, but nothing too severe.
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But here's the thing: does adding that money (and therefore that expense) really improve the show, in the eyes of 99% of their viewers? Would they even NOTICE it? No. So why do it?
Spending money in ways in which you receive no tangible benefit is a good way to go out of business.
/Unless you're Micros&#@%^%^@&^^&^@!@!@NO CARRIER
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I do think that slapping a $1,500 space on the wheel somewhere opposite the $5,000 would be noticed by the viewers -- the four-digit number sounds more impressive, and if there are even two of a letter in the puzzle, it's worth $3,000 (which is an impressive enough number).
But they only need to do it for the fourth round. In the first three rounds, the wheel is littered with, at various times, $10,000, a nice trip, a Jackpot space, and mystery wedges. There are already large values other than the top dollar value in those rounds. By the fourth round, though, the wheel is naked (except for maybe the trip), so they need something to keep the $5,000 from being the only worthwhile value.
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Scott Robinson
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'156740\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 03:45 PM\']But here's the thing: does adding that money (and therefore that expense) really improve the show, in the eyes of 99% of their viewers? Would they even NOTICE it? No. So why do it?[/quote]
Did making the Jackpot space count as a $500 space (increasing expense) really improve the show etc.?
Occasionally, a game show will make a change, even one that increases their budget a bit, just for the sake of a new game wrinkle, or aesthetics (the Jackpot space before being the one space that could give a player nothing despite getting a consonant in the puzzle). Considering that, as well as the recent desire of the producers to have fewer speed-up rounds seem pointless (adding $1000 to the spun amount) ... I just don't think it can be dismissed with the Joe Sixpack argument.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'156749\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 04:23 PM\']
I do think that slapping a $1,500 space on the wheel somewhere opposite the $5,000 would be noticed by the viewers
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"noticed by the viewers" <> "attract a bigger audience."
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 04:23 PM\']By the fourth round, though, the wheel is naked (except for maybe the trip)[/quote]
Nope, the trip gets stripped after round 3. The only movable spaces on the wheel in round 4 and beyond are the $5,000 space, the second Bankrupt (unless round 4 starts as a speed-up), and the Wild Card if still present.
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[quote name=\'Steve McClellan\' post=\'156760\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 10:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 04:23 PM\']By the fourth round, though, the wheel is naked (except for maybe the trip)[/quote]
Nope, the trip gets stripped after round 3.[/quote]
Really? When did they start doing that?
I guess even I didn't realize how little attention I pay to Wheel these days.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 08:15 PM\'] [quote name=\'Steve McClellan\' post=\'156760\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 10:31 PM\']
Nope, the trip gets stripped after round 3.[/quote]
Really? When did they start doing that?
I guess even I didn't realize how little attention I pay to Wheel these days. [/quote]
I'm nearly certain they've been doing it that way for at least the past two seasons, when I started paying attention again (being in the contestant pool tends to have that effect).
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Excluding prizes, bankrupts, wild cards, etc...
1996 average wheel cash value: $735.71
2007 average wheel cash value: $740.47
Why is any change needed?
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The average says very little about how interesting the various amounts on the wheel are, in terms of adding a varying level of fortune to each spin of the wheel. (Word use intentional.)
$1500, $500, and $300 average out to the same amount as $800, $800, and $700, but the former makes for more interesting spins.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'156751\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 07:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'156749\' date=\'Jul 5 2007, 04:23 PM\']
I do think that slapping a $1,500 space on the wheel somewhere opposite the $5,000 would be noticed by the viewers
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"noticed by the viewers" <> "attract a bigger audience."
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I think this is a bit of a strawman and, more importantly, misses the point. Not every production expense is considered in the interest of "attracting a bigger audience." This type of subtle change wouldn't be made to grow the audience; its intent would be to keep the show fresh for current viewers. And not necessarily on a "wow, that's new!!" level, simply in a general aesthetic sense.
This seems to be the point that Scott and Robert are making, and it's a valid one. Production isn't such a black-and-white exercise as "will it attract a bigger audience or not?" -- it's a value proposition. Nobody rational claims that adding a $1500 space would create a Nielsen bump for Wheel. The argument is just that it would freshen the show up a bit. Producers do that.
Looking through the Nighttime Round 1 wheels in the photo gallery, you can even see a few examples of changes that wouldn't have happened if they had to pass the "Joe Sixpack" test: converting one of the $150 spaces to $500 in 1991, converting the $200 spaces to $250 in '96, etc. Robert's $500 Jackpot space example was another good one.
Do I think the producers are going to add a $1500 space to the Round 4 wheel? Probably not -- in recent years they have shown a preference for broader strokes. But it's possible. These adjustments aren't outside the realm of sanity like, say, a gold-plated 3-D video wheel.
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[quote name=\'Stripey\' post=\'156827\' date=\'Jul 7 2007, 11:28 AM\']
This type of subtle change wouldn't be made to grow the audience; its intent would be to keep the show fresh for current viewers.
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In other words, to keep them from leaving, which makes the audience smaller.
"Keeping the audience from shrinking" is EXACTLY the same thing. You're trying to get people to watch the show who normally might not.
And I'm telling you a space change on the wheel is not going to pay for itself in viewer delta, whether it's in growth or preventing loss.
Nobody rational claims that adding a $1500 space would create a Nielsen bump for Wheel. The argument is just that it would freshen the show up a bit. Producers do that.
"Preventing a divot", in this case, is exactly the same as "creating a bump." No matter how many times you might claim otherwise.
These adjustments aren't outside the realm of sanity like, say, a gold-plated 3-D video wheel.
Yeah, they really are.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'156851\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 03:58 AM\']
"Keeping the audience from shrinking" is EXACTLY the same thing. You're trying to get people to watch the show who normally might not.
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Agreed. In a numbers sense, that is true. In production terms, I'd maintain that it's not. Different changes are made to appeal to different segments of viewers. Production decisions made with the goal of keeping things fresh for current viewers are often separate from those made to attract new/different viewers. I don't say this as if you're not aware of it; just to clarify where I was coming from when I said that keeping the audience from shrinking is a separate consideration. It doesn't dispute your point at all.
And I'm telling you a space change on the wheel is not going to pay for itself in viewer delta, whether it's in growth or preventing loss.
Got it. I understand your stance now. Before, it seemed to me that you were talking about growing the audience, but I misinterpreted. My apologies.
No matter how many times you might claim otherwise.
I'm not sure where this remark comes from. I've posted once in this thread, and I'm not trying to browbeat anyone. I'm open to respectful differences of opinion -- interested in them, in fact.
These adjustments aren't outside the realm of sanity like, say, a gold-plated 3-D video wheel.
Yeah, they really are.
Chris, I hope you'll understand if I'm unimpressed by your "because I say so" rationale. I get that this world-weary thing is your shtick and all, but it's pretty boring for somebody who's actually trying to engage in a cogent discussion.
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Would inflation work as an argument here? Because they obviously had some reason for fiddling with the wheel values in the past.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'156875\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 02:17 PM\']
Would inflation work as an argument here? Because they obviously had some reason for fiddling with the wheel values in the past.
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Yeah, I think inflation definitely plays a part, in combination with viewer psychology. Inflation likely reached a point where $150 spaces seemed "chintzy" enough to remove one (and eventually both) of them, in the interest of keeping the wheel from looking too cheap.
A $300 space, conversely, might be worth less in real terms than it was a decade ago, but it still "feels" like a big number. It's round, it's more than two (hundred), and it's over the price-of-a-vowel threshold. So I can see where the $300 space has remained unchanged for such a long time since, despite inflation, it's not hurting the overall impression of the wheel for most viewers.
Like I said, I believe a wheel change is probably not going to happen in the near future, but in a few years' time, maybe inflation will have reached a point where the producers once again want to make a few tweaks.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'156875\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 11:17 AM\']
Would inflation work as an argument here? Because they obviously had some reason for fiddling with the wheel values in the past.
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The thing is, it misses the point, a little.
My argument is simply that the changes to the wheel in the past aren't being made out of the goodness of the producers' hearts, but instead because it's believed that they would either increase the current or maintain a potentially dwindling audience. And so far I haven't seen one iota of evidence to convince me that adding a $1500 space to the wheel would create enough of a positive delta in audience (whether as a net increase of a prevention of shrinkage) to make that change worth the delta in prize budget that would come with it.
(And I realize we're talking about one single space that a lot of the time isn't even going to get hit, which makes the prize budget hit fairly low. Which should give you an idea of just how much of an audience delta I think it would produce.)
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'156875\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 01:17 PM\']
Would inflation work as an argument here? Because they obviously had some reason for fiddling with the wheel values in the past.
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Couldn't they compensate for inflation by just using longer puzzles?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'156881\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 01:56 PM\']
Couldn't they compensate for inflation by just using longer puzzles?
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There's no guarantee that they'll give more money away just because they have longer puzzles. Of course, there's no guarantee they'd give more money away with $1000 or $1500 spaces on the wheel either.
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To be honest, I would like the old early-90s layout, or something like it, but that's strictly from a game show enthusiast standpoint. (I refuse to call myself a fanb0i.)
If you want to appeal to John Q. Public, or Joe Sixpack or whoever, numbers like $1500 may be considered too odd. Round numbers like $1,000 and $5,000 are more the way to go because they're nice and simple. That's possible why the $425s and $175s disappeared.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'156880\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 02:55 PM\']My argument is simply that the changes to the wheel in the past aren't being made out of the goodness of the producers' hearts, but instead because it's believed that they would either increase the current or maintain a potentially dwindling audience. And so far I haven't seen one iota of evidence to convince me that adding a $1500 space to the wheel would create enough of a positive delta in audience (whether as a net increase of a prevention of shrinkage) to make that change worth the delta in prize budget that would come with it.[/quote]
I think you're still missing my point--what was it about those previous changes that did contribute to ratings?
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Someone who can analyze the wheels better can probably answer this...but was there any sizable increase in the wheels during the shopping era? That would probably be due to inflation...since the prizes were becoming more expensive.
Forgot to add in my previous post....I want to see a $1,000,000 space on the wheel in Round 4 and later.
/joking
//really...joking.
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[quote name=\'Stripey\' post=\'156827\' date=\'Jul 7 2007, 02:28 PM\']These adjustments aren't outside the realm of sanity like, say, a gold-plated 3-D video wheel.
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Or something like this?
http://www.lasvegastalk.com/photopost/show....php/photo/2141 (http://\"http://www.lasvegastalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/2141\")
Having stood next to both one of these (at Harrah's in New Orleans), and the low-tech one in Culver City when I was a contestant, I can tell you that this mechanism is probably twice as wide as the wheel in the studio, not to mention three-dimensional and backlit and all that other cool stuff. It's a great game to play in a casino: when you hit the right combination on the video slot, Pat and Vanna pop up on your video terminal to tell you that you've won, the wheel garishly and noisily spins around on its own and you win some multiple of your original bet. I had a lot of fun and I won a lot of money (which is also what happened when I was on the show...)
Would I, as a home viewer, want to watch people do this on TV? Activate the spin by touch-screen? Maybe for about five minutes.
I remember, somewhere in the early '90's, thinking that Wheel would be better if the puzzle board had video monitors like the Jeopardy! board instead of those clunky mechanical things that had to be turned by hand. Then they did that. That improved the game. It sped it up (in a good way) and made it possible to do things they couldn't do before. But making the wheel high-tech wouldn't improve the game.
John (who just dropped in to mention that Millionaire is holding auditions in Charlotte tomorrow, check wbtv.com for details...)
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[quote name='Stripey' date='Jul 8 2007, 01:53 PM' post='156879']
[quote name='Robert Hutchinson' post='156875' date='Jul 8 2007, 02:17 PM']
A $300 space, conversely, might be worth less in real terms than it was a decade ago, but it still "feels" like a big number. It's round, it's more than two (hundred), and it's over the price-of-a-vowel threshold. So I can see where the $300 space has remained unchanged for such a long time since, despite inflation, it's not hurting the overall impression of the wheel for most viewers.
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That was part of my rationale for bringing back numbers like $100 and $200 (along with $1000 and $1500). There should be spaces worth less than the cost of a vowel.
Perhaps maybe after 32 years it's time to apply inflation to vowels and raise the price to $500.
John Brocato
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[quote name=\'jbrocato\' post=\'156922\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 10:18 PM\']
Perhaps maybe after 32 years it's time to apply inflation to vowels and raise the price to $500.
[/quote]
I absolutely think the price of vowels needs to be upped to a grand. Seriously. When there are 2500 dollar spaces at the start of the show, 250 isn't a penalty for what (IMHO) originally was considered as buying a hint to the puzzle.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'156924\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 09:22 PM\']
I absolutely think the price of vowels needs to be upped to a grand. Seriously. When there are 2500 dollar spaces at the start of the show, 250 isn't a penalty for what (IMHO) originally was considered as buying a hint to the puzzle.
[/quote]
I agree with your point here completely; after all, haven't vowels been $250 since top dollar values were 500-750-1000? Those values have increased five-fold, roughly, and as it's been mentioned previously in this thread, you're now guaranteed to be able to afford a vowel for getting just one letter to light up in the puzzle. But if come September, vowels suddenly cost $1,000, you'd have a wide majority of the audience left scratching their heads and wondering why, even if Pat trotted out the "adjusted for inflation" logic. The price of a vowel has become an iconic portion of the game - I'd venture most people know the price of a vowel as well as, if not better than, they know the price of a gallon of milk or gas.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'156924\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 09:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'jbrocato\' post=\'156922\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 10:18 PM\']
Perhaps maybe after 32 years it's time to apply inflation to vowels and raise the price to $500.
[/quote]
I absolutely think the price of vowels needs to be upped to a grand. Seriously. When there are 2500 dollar spaces at the start of the show, 250 isn't a penalty for what (IMHO) originally was considered as buying a hint to the puzzle.
[/quote]
Now THAT is a change that I not only believe would turn some heads, but is also long overdue. If I start the round, I'm sure I'll have enough to buy the whole vowel set in under a minute.
In regards to the $1500 space, there already is one. Granted, it doesn't show until the speed round, but it's there. Besides, there's already been so much other inflation on the wheel (Wild Card, Mystery round, Jackpot space, etc.).
For all those wanting supplementary spaces to the top dollar value, I ask this: If Press Your Luck announced they were doubling all of their under-$1000 spaces, would you watch? Even better, did you watch more Jeopardy! when they doubled their dollar values?
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Honestly, I wouldn't care if WOF gave away $100000000000003 or 10 cents every day.
For me, WOF is all about the puzzles. I enjoy trying to see if I can get them before the contestants can and the Raygor household, in general, likes to see who in the family can get the most.
So the money is irrelevant to me. As long as I get to solve a bunch of puzzles, I'm a happy wheel watcher (That's why I like the tossups too).
That being said, I agree with whoserman that the wheel layouts from the late 80s-early 90s were perfect.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'156942\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 07:07 AM\']
For me, WOF is all about the puzzles seeing Rolf Bernischke. [/quote]
Fixed.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'156944\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 08:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'156942\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 07:07 AM\']
For me, WOF is all about the puzzles seeing Rolf Bernischke. [/quote]
Fixed.
[/quote]
I never saw that coming. :-)
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How would you feel if the Buy A Vowel rule became $250 for every time the vowel you call appears in the puzzle?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'156949\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 10:15 AM\']
How would you feel if the Buy A Vowel rule became $250 for every time the vowel you call appears in the puzzle?
[/quote]
How would you do that without potentially revealing significant information ahead of time? If a contestant calls for an E and there are 5 E's in the puzzle but the player only has $1,000, what do you do? You can't show him only 4 of them, and if you tell him there are more than he can afford, even if you don't give him the exact number, you're still giving away a relatively important fact about the puzzle. I don't dislike the concept--it's basically the reverse of the win-money-for-consonants rule--but don't see how it can be executed smoothly.
If you're going to increase the cost of a vowel, though, I'd suggest raising the amount gradually rather than all at once. Maybe start the next season at $500; then go to $750 and $1,000 in subsequent seasons.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'156948\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 07:06 AM\']
I never saw that coming. :-)
[/quote]
Of course not. I would hope at this point that you expect at least a little creativity with your snark. :)
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'156952\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 11:09 AM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'156949\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 10:15 AM\']
How would you feel if the Buy A Vowel rule became $250 for every time the vowel you call appears in the puzzle?
[/quote]
How would you do that without potentially revealing significant information ahead of time? If a contestant calls for an E and there are 5 E's in the puzzle but the player only has $1,000, what do you do? You can't show him only 4 of them, and if you tell him there are more than he can afford, even if you don't give him the exact number, you're still giving away a relatively important fact about the puzzle. I don't dislike the concept--it's basically the reverse of the win-money-for-consonants rule--but don't see how it can be executed smoothly.
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That could be part of the danger of going after the vowels early.
"Sorry, you don't have enough money for the number of Es up there. You keep your money but you lose your turn".
Every incorrect letter guess gives out important information about the puzzle. This way too many of a certain letter would provide this information also.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'156976\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 10:15 AM\']
That could be part of the danger of going after the vowels early.
"Sorry, you don't have enough money for the number of Es up there. You keep your money but you lose your turn".
Every incorrect letter guess gives out important information about the puzzle. This way too many of a certain letter would provide this information also.
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Awful idea. Don't ask Wheel contestants to engage in logic games.
Yes, it would spice up the game some, but Wheel is popular mainly because Joe and Jane Idiot can handle it. You complicate it too much for them, they will stop watching.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'156983\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 01:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'156976\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 10:15 AM\']
That could be part of the danger of going after the vowels early.
"Sorry, you don't have enough money for the number of Es up there. You keep your money but you lose your turn".
Every incorrect letter guess gives out important information about the puzzle. This way too many of a certain letter would provide this information also.
[/quote]
Awful idea. Don't ask Wheel contestants to engage in logic games.
Yes, it would spice up the game some, but Wheel is popular mainly because Joe and Jane Idiot can handle it. You complicate it too much for them, they will stop watching.
[/quote]
You say that as though it would be a bad thing.
If Wheel's ratings go down a bit because the idiots are no longer watching, but the show stays on the air and smartens itself up somewhat, then hey, I'm a happy camper.
(And if it did get cancelled...hell, I don't watch it that much anymore, anyway, so no skin off my back.)
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'156993\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 12:23 PM\']
You say that as though it would be a bad thing.
If Wheel's ratings go down a bit because the idiots are no longer watching, but the show stays on the air and smartens itself up somewhat, then hey, I'm a happy camper.
[/quote]
I don't think it would be "a bit". And if you think the contestant selection process would change one iota, you're not thinking. And you know how painful it is to watch someone play a game badly.
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I, personally, am not opposed to upping the vowel "charge," and frankly, I thought it was assuredly gonna happen about 5 or 6 years ago, when the bonus wheel came in, and during the very short time 10k was on the wheel in round 4.
However, $250 for a vowel is an iconic part of the show, no doubt, and if it's changed, people will definitely notice. Many may even expect if the cost to buy a vowel will increase, the values on the wheel will also increase, the center of our discussion.
I have a simple solution, that even Joe and Jane Sixpack can keep up with. For rounds 1 and 2, keep the vowels at $250, then in round 3, have Pat give short explanation that since the values on the wheel have been increased substantially since round 1, vowels are now increased to $500. Have him note that there are 2 $1k spaces on the Wheel in Round 3 (mystery wedges). Then, to appease those who'd want some more compensation on the wheel itself, throw a single $1500, $2k, or $2.5k space on the wheel in round 4, and say done.
That should be enough to make everyone happy. As for ppl who would complain, in the most drastic monetary change, where in round 4 (which 4/5 times turns into the speed round after about 2 or 3 spins anyway) a $300 was replaced with a $1500 (as opposed to replacing an 800 or 900, which would be a lot less drastic), the wheel's average value in Round 4 would go from 740.48 to 797.62, a mere $50 more, that will 4/5 times be of consequence for less than a full round...
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'157006\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 04:16 PM\']
I, personally, am not opposed to upping the vowel "charge," and frankly, I thought it was assuredly gonna happen about 5 or 6 years ago, when the bonus wheel came in, and during the very short time 10k was on the wheel in round 4.[/quote]They did WHAT!? Can someone elaborate how they pulled that off? $5K in round three?
I have a simple solution, that even Joe and Jane Sixpack can keep up with. For rounds 1 and 2, keep the vowels at $250, then in round 3, have Pat give short explanation that since the values on the wheel have been increased substantially since round 1, vowels are now increased to $500. Have him note that there are 2 $1k spaces on the Wheel in Round 3 (mystery wedges). Then, to appease those who'd want some more compensation on the wheel itself, throw a single $1500, $2k, or $2.5k space on the wheel in round 4, and say done.
Too complex. Either keep 'em at $250 the whole way or jack 'em to $500 the whole time.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'157008\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 01:20 PM\']
They did WHAT!? Can someone elaborate how they pulled that off? $5K in round three?
[/quote]
When the $10,000 prize space was first introduced, it was put on the wheel in round 3, and kept there the remainder of the day, or until won.
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Does this mean my roomate's girlfriend was true? She claimed that Pat once landed on the 10K space on a Final Spin, and I thought it was highly unlikely, if not total bunk.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'157051\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 05:03 PM\']
Does this mean my roomate's girlfriend was true? She claimed that Pat once landed on the 10K space on a Final Spin, and I thought it was highly unlikely, if not total bunk.
[/quote]
Note that people are saying "prize space". Not "money space". That means, yes, your roommate's girlfriend was full of what makes the grass grow green.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'157052\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 08:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'157051\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 05:03 PM\']
Does this mean my roomate's girlfriend was true? She claimed that Pat once landed on the 10K space on a Final Spin, and I thought it was highly unlikely, if not total bunk.
[/quote]
Note that people are saying "prize space". Not "money space". That means, yes, your roommate's girlfriend was full of what makes the grass grow green.
[/quote]
I don't know if this is true, but I've read that a few years ago, they briefly -- very briefly, like for only one or two episodes -- upped the $5000 space to $10,000. Whatever happened on those shows apparently made them decide they couldn't afford to keep it, so they went back to $5K.
John
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'157052\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 05:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'157051\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 05:03 PM\']
Does this mean my roomate's girlfriend was true? She claimed that Pat once landed on the 10K space on a Final Spin, and I thought it was highly unlikely, if not total bunk.
[/quote]
Note that people are saying "prize space". Not "money space". That means, yes, your roommate's girlfriend was full of what makes the grass grow green.
[/quote]
I don't necessarily doubt that Pat landed on it, but he certainly would have spun again if he did.
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What if you took Don's idea and allowed contestants to "charge" their total bank? If they're in the negatives when the puzzle is solved, deduct in from their total.
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Or what if we just kept the iconic, rating-maintaining American game show the same it has been since the late-80s? =)
/Keep it simple, stupid.
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I think that the lack of inflation for the cost of a vowel has been somewhat offset by contestants who aren't willing to buy vowels.
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[quote name=\'JohnHolder\' post=\'157054\' date=\'Jul 9 2007, 08:58 PM\']
I don't know if this is true, but I've read that a few years ago, they briefly -- very briefly, like for only one or two episodes -- upped the $5000 space to $10,000. Whatever happened on those shows apparently made them decide they couldn't afford to keep it, so they went back to $5K.
[/quote]
You are correct John, and in my post, this is what I was originally referring to.
It happened about 8 years ago, if I remember correctly, and lasted at most a week, maybe not even that long. In round 3, the TDV became $5k, and in round 4, the $10k prize was switched to its other side (ala no bankrupts surrounding) and put in place of the $5k space. No other wheel changes were made, so yes, that meant that in round 4, the 2nd TDV was still 900. I can't confirm if Pat ever landed on $10k on the final spin, as I never saw such an episode, but I do remember the $10k TDV Round 4, and my inital reaction being along the lines of a WOAHOMGWOWYAH!!!!!!
This was quickly scrapped, no clue why, but I'd have to bet the producers were experimenting with the idea for a few days to make some assessments, possibly to make it a make it a permanent change the next season. Obviously, it never came to fruition. Instead, we get 3 tossups per episode, and a 2500, 3500, 3500, 5000 setup...
As for my half 250 half 500 vowel cost idea, I must be giving the American public too much credit then, if the consensus is that Joe Schmo couldn't keep up. YIKES! :(
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'157077\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 02:30 AM\']
What if you took Don's idea and allowed contestants to "charge" their total bank? If they're in the negatives when the puzzle is solved, deduct in from their total.
[/quote]
Then what would be the point of solving at such a point? A person (and knowing the DoND and greedy type contestants on GS these days, they would follow THIS logic) might as well keep spinning, b/c there's no point in solving a puzzle if they're gonna lose money, they might as well not solve it, and earn 0 as opposed to losing $1500, i.e. The argument of doing it so other contestants can't gain ground is also wrong, because one losing $1500 in a round would be equivalent to an opponent gaining $1500 in the same round, if they're only "AS" lucky as you are, with their spins.
Again though, the current Wheel is okay at this point with me. It's not like it was in 1993, but if they were to get rid of the first toss-up, and bring back returning champions or the Friday Finals format, that would make me more than happy. With J! incorporating the no-limit rule, the arrival of two daily GS's in syndication in the fall with returning champs (Temptation and Crosswords), this would be a perfect time for Wheel to do it. Joe Schmo WOULD notice that change, it wouldn't cost Sony a dime more (maybe less=less contestant searches needed), and the quality of gameplay would likely increase, all which none of us are opposed to...
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'157077\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 02:30 AM\']
What if you took Don's idea and allowed contestants to "charge" their total bank? If they're in the negatives when the puzzle is solved, deduct in from their total.
[/quote]
That would put the players in "jeopardy."
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I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
(And at the start of Round 4, he pointed out that "there is now a million-dollar space on the wheel." :-)
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 06:35 PM\']
I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
(And at the start of Round 4, he pointed out that "there is now a million-dollar space on the wheel." :-)
[/quote]
I remember that as well..., c. 1996, soon after they introduced the space, I believe.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'156520\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 11:17 AM\']
And am I crazy, or did the daytime version use pretty much the same configuration from the late seventies all the way through the 80s, up until the move to CBS?
Don't know about the site, but the daytime version did switch things around from time to time. Most notably are when they increased the top dollar amount. If memory serves, I think the top dollar amound for the first few years was $1000 for round 3. It was then changed to $1500 sometime in the late '70s, and by the early '80s it was $2000 (which became $5000 on the nighttime version).
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the original NBC config was 250-500-750; the third round went up to 1000 (I think they went with 500-750-1000, then 500-1000-1000, but I'm not sure). It changed to 500-1000-1500 when the hour-long version started (late 1975); the hour-long version had a $2000 space for the final two-player round, but when they switched back to a half-hour format, the top value was 1500 for a while.
(Also, don't forget about the "Buy A Vowel" space in the first round of the early episodes. There's some question as to whether or not you could buy a vowel voluntarily in rounds when it was also on the wheel. I do remember that if somebody landed on it and didn't have $250, they lost their turn.)
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'157158\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 07:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'156520\' date=\'Jul 2 2007, 11:17 AM\']
And am I crazy, or did the daytime version use pretty much the same configuration from the late seventies all the way through the 80s, up until the move to CBS?
Don't know about the site, but the daytime version did switch things around from time to time. Most notably are when they increased the top dollar amount. If memory serves, I think the top dollar amound for the first few years was $1000 for round 3. It was then changed to $1500 sometime in the late '70s, and by the early '80s it was $2000 (which became $5000 on the nighttime version).
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the original NBC config was 250-500-750; the third round went up to 1000 (I think they went with 500-750-1000, then 500-1000-1000, but I'm not sure). It changed to 500-1000-1500 when the hour-long version started (late 1975); the hour-long version had a $2000 space for the final two-player round, but when they switched back to a half-hour format, the top value was 1500 for a while.
(Also, don't forget about the "Buy A Vowel" space in the first round of the early episodes. There's some question as to whether or not you could buy a vowel voluntarily in rounds when it was also on the wheel. I do remember that if somebody landed on it and didn't have $250, they lost their turn.)[/quote]
Chuck was saying all the time "you know your options--spin, buy a vowel or solve" back then--it's just no one bought vowels in those early years, just as everyone rode each puzzle out to the very end. I've always said in retrospect that it was Lin Bolen's doing--she made sure the contestant coordinators emphasized to the contestants that they should get nothing but big money to go shopping, since to her the game was just a way to get to the shopping. I've also always said that Merv should thank his lucky stars that she wasn't obsessed with giant pinball machines the day he came in to pitch what became "Wheel."
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With MMM, the word game was a bore, I wanted to get right to the machine.
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With MMM, the word game was a bore, I wanted to get right to the machine.
I felt the same way. While it's neat to have that one episode that's floating around, I remember watching originally (when I was a wee lad!) and being slightly disappointed by the show. Definately not enough pinball.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 06:35 PM\']
I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
(And at the start of Round 4, he pointed out that "there is now a million-dollar space on the wheel." :-)
[/quote]
Yes I have that episode on tape somewhere. Pat points out that its a good thing nobody landed on it or they would have had to give them $10,000 a letter!
Greg
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'157501\' date=\'Jul 15 2007, 02:13 AM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 06:35 PM\']
I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
(And at the start of Round 4, he pointed out that "there is now a million-dollar space on the wheel." :-)
[/quote]Yes I have that episode on tape somewhere. Pat points out that its a good thing nobody landed on it or they would have had to give them $10,000 a letter![/quote]
Of course, that happened on a different episode, but the person didn't solve so the issue was moot.
For all the flak we've given the Wild Card, it doesn't seem to be as problematic as the 10K space has been.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'157241\' date=\'Jul 11 2007, 01:19 PM\']
With MMM, the word game was a bore, I wanted to get right to the machine.
[/quote]
That's how I felt about game shows in general when I was a young child..I could care less about the main game, it was all about the bonus round. Shows like Match Game, Card Sharks, Blockbusters..I could care less about the main game! Just show me the Star Wheel, Money Cards and Gold Run...
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'157241\' date=\'Jul 11 2007, 12:19 PM\']
With MMM, the word game was a bore,...
[/quote]
I did the best I could.
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[quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'157544\' date=\'Jul 15 2007, 06:35 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'157241\' date=\'Jul 11 2007, 12:19 PM\']
With MMM, the word game was a bore,...
[/quote]
I did the best I could.
[/quote]
Oh, I see what you did there.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 05:35 PM\']
I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
[/quote]
Does anyone know why they went with the "cash space" rather than treating it as a wider than normal version of the normal $10,000 cash prize? Is there some description in the rules that says that it has to be 1/3 the width of a normal space and/or have bankrupts on either side?
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[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'157582\' date=\'Jul 16 2007, 12:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 05:35 PM\']
I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
[/quote]
Does anyone know why they went with the "cash space" rather than treating it as a wider than normal version of the normal $10,000 cash prize? Is there some description in the rules that says that it has to be 1/3 the width of a normal space and/or have bankrupts on either side?
[/quote]
Given that it was a mistake, they probably dealt with it on the fly and didn't have time to think things through.
John, wishing they'd done that on my show...
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[quote name=\'JohnHolder\' post=\'157586\' date=\'Jul 16 2007, 01:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'157582\' date=\'Jul 16 2007, 12:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 05:35 PM\']
I'd swear I also remember an episode from several years ago where they accidentally put the bankrupt-less side of the $10,000 space face up and didn't catch it until somebody landed on it...they let the round proceed as if nothing had happened, treating it as a cash space, and Pat explained at the start of the next round that it had been a mistake.
[/quote]
Does anyone know why they went with the "cash space" rather than treating it as a wider than normal version of the normal $10,000 cash prize? Is there some description in the rules that says that it has to be 1/3 the width of a normal space and/or have bankrupts on either side?
[/quote]
Given that it was a mistake, they probably dealt with it on the fly and didn't have time to think things through.
[/quote]
Or I could just be remembering it wrong -- it was 11 years ago, after all.
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[quote name=\'jbrocato\' post=\'156922\' date=\'Jul 8 2007, 10:18 PM\']There should be spaces worth less than the cost of a vowel.[/quote]
Technically, there are already a few spaces that are worth $0--prizes, Free Spin, Wild Card, and if you get the $10k, you can't spend it on vowels. So the rate of $300+ may be on par with 1986, when the pink and purple spaces were introduced.
/bring back the brown spaces!
//bring back $50 and $75 while you're at it
///win $100,000 for solving one puzzle?!
////it's hangman, for goodness sake!
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'157138\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 06:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'157077\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 02:30 AM\']What if you took Don's idea and allowed contestants to "charge" their total bank? If they're in the negatives when the puzzle is solved, deduct in from their total.
[/quote]That would put the players in "jeopardy."[/quote]
[color=\"#FF0000\"][mutes Jimmy][/color]
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' post=\'157806\' date=\'Jul 17 2007, 08:04 PM\']//bring back $50 and $75 while you're at it[/quote]I thought the Goen wheel configuration was just right for what amounts to picking letters and solving a hangman puzzle. I'm almost assuredly in the minority holding that opinion, and that's fine by me.
(And next week on a very special Maury, we'll find out if Walter P. Smythe is really my father.)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'157808\' date=\'Jul 17 2007, 10:13 PM\']
I thought the Goen wheel configuration was just right for what amounts to picking letters and solving a hangman puzzle. I'm almost assuredly in the minority holding that opinion, and that's fine by me.[/quote]
You're not alone in that opinion. I happen to agree with you.
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For a show that appeared out of thin air, I would agree. (I would still laugh a little at how much Goen was selling the thrill of hitting a $400 space, though.) But the show was the daytime companion to the syndicated hit, had been giving away much higher amounts (in prizes, admittedly) even in daytime for years and years before, and so on.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Jul 17 2007, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'157808\' date=\'Jul 17 2007, 10:13 PM\']
I thought the Goen wheel configuration was just right for what amounts to picking letters and solving a hangman puzzle. I'm almost assuredly in the minority holding that opinion, and that's fine by me.[/quote]
You're not alone in that opinion. I happen to agree with you. [/quote]
Well, it's your prerogative to be wrong.
/continues counting his $78,850 for 22 minutes' "work"
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[quote name=\'Steve McClellan\' post=\'157816\' date=\'Jul 17 2007, 10:31 PM\']
Well, it's your prerogative to be wrong.
/continues counting his $78,850 for 22 minutes' "work"
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Do I detect a hint of bias? ;-)
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Sorry to resurrect a semi-older topic, but I found the website the original poster was referring to. This site does feature a few more configurations than are in that Yahoo Photos folder and a corrected version of the Pilot Round 1 wheel.
http://gameshowuniverse.bravehost.com/gsartwork.html (http://\"http://gameshowuniverse.bravehost.com/gsartwork.html\")
Scroll down to near the bottom.
Greg
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Too bad the wheel configs are the only links that work. I'd kind of like to see the other stuff.
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Sorry to bump again, and especially for such an esoteric question...
Pre-96, the wedges were brought out in halves of the wheel, as discussed somewhere in this thread. For rounds 2 and 3 (daytime), it's easy to see where the split is because one half is used in both rounds. Not so easy for R1. So where was the split in halves of the R1 wheel? (If possible, referencing the 86 daytime layout.)
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'161542\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 08:39 PM\']
Sorry to bump again, and especially for such an esoteric question...
Pre-96, the wedges were brought out in halves of the wheel, as discussed somewhere in this thread. For rounds 2 and 3 (daytime), it's easy to see where the split is because one half is used in both rounds. Not so easy for R1. So where was the split in halves of the R1 wheel? (If possible, referencing the 86 daytime layout.)
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Having watched the Wheel marathon on GSN the other day, I noticed a pretty pronounced seam between the 400 and the 500 on the 200-300-400-500 part of the wheel. I don't know if that's where this 'split' was, but it seems like the logical place to me.
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It seems logical to me too, not necessarily because of the placement in the values, but because it fits the pattern in the other two rounds of having the one Bankrupt on one half, and the LAT and the other extra wedge (FS or Bankrupt) on the other half.
Then again, the top dollar is on the LAT/BR side in rounds 2 and 3, while it's on the BR side in round 1.
Then again again, maybe I'm looking way too much into it. Yeah, I think I'll go with that option.
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Was going back through this thread, and a few gems caught my eye:
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'156667\' date=\'Jul 4 2007, 04:57 PM\']Wheel would be equally appealing to me if they gave away a million dollars or 10 cents. That is, not very appealing.[/quote]
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'157142\' date=\'Jul 10 2007, 05:35 PM\'](And at the start of Round 4, he pointed out that "there is now a million-dollar space on the wheel." :-)[/quote]
My how things change :-þ
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Except now the Million-Dollar space is on the wheel every round BUT Round 4. :P