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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: --Richard on June 18, 2007, 03:24:34 PM
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From CableWorld
BASIC CABLE PRIME-TIME NETWORK RANKING
APRIL 30 – MAY 27, 2007
NET CUR HH (000)
TNT 2.1 1972
USA 1.9 1760
DSNY 1.8 1664
ESPN 1.2 1133
TBSC 1.1 1064
FOXN 1.1 1050
TOON 1.1 1048
NAN 1.1 1020
LIF 1.1 998
A&E 0.9 872
FX 0.9 849
SPK 0.9 835
CORT 0.9 828
HGTV 0.9 804
SCIF 0.9 792
HALL 0.9 777
DISC 0.8 758
HIST 0.8 729
AMC 0.8 702
FAM 0.7 688
CMDY 0.7 682
TLC 0.7 669
MTV 0.7 657
TVLD 0.7 611
VH1 0.6 559
FOOD 0.6 528
CNN 0.6 526
BET 0.5 459
ESP2 0.4 390
MSNB 0.4 386
BRAV 0.4 384
APL 0.4 377
EN 0.4 344
TRAV 0.3 295
HLN 0.3 286
LMN 0.5 281
VS 0.4 259
SOAP 0.4 258
SPD 0.4 258
WGNC 0.3 237
OXYG 0.3 234
NGC 0.4 230
TVGC 0.3 223
CMT 0.2 207
TWC 0.2 200
TDSN 0.3 198
CNBC 0.2 174
GSN 0.3 173
DHLT 0.2 140
WE 0.2 135
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Hey, they're beating WE!
/what the hell is DHLT?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155465\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 03:50 PM\']
/what the hell is DHLT?
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Discovery Health.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155465\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 03:50 PM\']
Hey, they're beating WE!
/what the hell is DHLT?
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Quick google search reveals Discovery Health.
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You know your network ain't doing well when you're beat by the freakin' Weather Channel.
What's LMN and TDSN and WGNC?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'155475\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 04:31 PM\']
You know your network ain't doing well when you're beat by the freakin' Weather Channel.
What's LMN and TDSN and WGNC?
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LMN=Lifetime Movie Network. Women love to see other women get abused. :-P
TDSN might be Toon Disney, and WGNC I believe is WGN-TV's national feed. I guess the C stands for cable.
/Blockbusters anyone?
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And they think Show Me The Shat is gonna help them.
I think about the only thing that will truly save this network now is TPiR somehow making its way back to the schedule. And we all know that probably won't happen in the foreseeable future...so....
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To be fair, GSN primetime doesn't offer a whole lot for households to watch. Low household ratings don't matter too much as long as target demos are reached.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'155477\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 04:39 PM\']LMN=Lifetime Movie Network. Women love to see other women get abused. :-P
TDSN might be Toon Disney, and WGNC I believe is WGN-TV's national feed. I guess the C stands for cable.
/Blockbusters anyone?
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Lol, Blockbusters
Since TBS has a C on the end, C probably is for cable, and that's good enough for me.
GSN probably is hitting the demos, although I would think attempts to be more mainstream (like the upcoming programming) are in order. Target demos are nice, but not if it costs me a spot in the Top 50 cable networks.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'155482\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 02:28 PM\']
C probably is for cable, and that's good enough for me.
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I blinked. Then I lol'd. Hard. Bravo. Bravissimo. :)
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'155482\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 05:28 PM\']
GSN probably is hitting the demos, although I would think attempts to be more mainstream (like the upcoming programming) are in order. Target demos are nice, but not if it costs me a spot in the Top 50 cable networks.
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They tried that three years ago. Remember "American Dream Derby"? That one show that had Joe Millionaire hosting?
GSN doesn't know what the hell they want...do they want to have classic game shows? Original games? Reality shows? Competitive shows with game show elements? Right now they're throwing anything at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I know they're in it to make money, but they need to figure out what avenue they want to take in order to make money.
/and stop squeezing credits!!!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155485\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 05:32 PM\']I blinked. Then I lol'd. Hard. Bravo. Bravissimo. :)[/quote]
Yay, I got one!
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'155486\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 05:35 PM\']I know they're in it to make money, but they need to figure out what avenue they want to take in order to make money.[/quote]
Right now, it looks like that avenue is cellular phones, but that can only go so far. Despite new technology, I doubt GSN is going to seriously invest in cell programming other than the text-in stuff.
/I want a phone that ID's songs, though. That's frikkin awesome.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'155495\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 07:38 PM\']
/I want a phone that ID's songs, though. That's frikkin awesome.
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You're going to be waiting awhile. Despite what you may hear, the technology is still years away.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'155500\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 05:52 PM\']
You're going to be waiting awhile. Despite what you may hear, the technology is still years away.
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What's the deal with those T-Mobile ads that are running, then?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'155486\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 02:35 PM\']I know they're in it to make money, but they need to figure out what avenue they want to take in order to make money.[/quote] If you had a demo of attention-starved young men who would pay 99¢ for the chance to talk to a HPOA, and then maybe a chance to win a few hundred bucks, you could run Celebrity Nostril Digging for twelve hours during the daytime, and still turn a profit just on the phone fees.
I don't think GSN's ratings are bothering the GSN suits that much, because they certainly have enough varied programming to solve that problem if they want. I don't think they want to. Two hours a night of Quiznation is probably making as much money as the adverts would.
/and stop squeezing credits!!!
That gets me where I live every time. The best part is that the mockees probably don't know they're being mocked.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'155514\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 11:32 PM\']
/and stop squeezing credits!!!
That gets me where I live every time. The best part is that the mockees probably don't know they're being mocked.
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Well, thing is, that does irritate the hell out of me, on any network. However, I guess you could consider it a mock of those who are on a mission to stop the credit crunches. :-)
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I don't think it's that they like to read credits, it's that the shows are not aired as they were originally made. Credits, theme playouts, the mill-arounds are a part of the show. If they wanted to save time they could cut out openings and more people would find that odd. GSN is such a niche channel that nobody's gonna switch during credits; the audience knows there isn't any other game show programming to switch to most of the time.
With movies on DVD or on channels like TCM, at least you have the chance to see the movie as originally made.
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This is the worst showing for GSN in the two and a half years that CableWorld has been putting out the numbers. (Okay, they skipped a couple months.) Any more slippage and GSN will slide right off their chart. That 48th position is the worst ever.
Not surprising that the Sunday Feud marathon got the quick ax. Even Steve Beverly groused about its low ratings. For a quick fix I'd try the blackjack show somewhere in prime time, but that may just be personal favoritism. With these numbers, though, what's the risk?
Frankly, the trailers for the new shows like Without Prejudice don't look all that appetizing to me. GSN hasn't come up with a big household audience generator since Millionaire. Oh, I guess the very first runs of Amazing Race did okay. I assume the poker show is still doing all right in demos, because GSN says so in its press releases, and keeps renewing it and giving it all of Monday prime time.
At least the network doesn't seem to be spending big money as they did in the Amazing Race deal. So even these ratings may keep it close to the black. But after a while, you've got to stop the Nielsen bleeding.
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No doubt the numbers could be better. How about taking the USA model and run game shows in the daytime and general entertainment (Movies, Law & Order reruns and casino shows) in prime? It worked for USA, they've been near the top for a long time.
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I don't think they know what to do. The rebranding to GSN didn't gain any real rewards, other than the casino shows, and the media still calls them Game Show Network, for the most part. Game shows seem to do better than the attempts at reality, but have that demo problem. They'd probably like to go to all-text-in-and-lose-all-the-time and say to hell with the Nielsens, but can't for whatever reason. So as long as they're turning a profit, they just keep plodding along.
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Jimmy Owen wrote:
With movies on DVD or on channels like TCM, at least you have the chance to see the movie as originally made.
Speaking of TCM, where did they show up in the ratings?
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TCM doesn't have commercials, therefore it doesn't get rated.
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I wonder how much the Comcast-takes-GSN-out-of-basic is a factor. The "household" number may not be accurate. If that's the case, the rating would go up since it's a percentage of the households you can be seen, not a percentage nationwide.
I would also expect viewership not to be great in May due to sweeps in network television land.
Of course, it could also be accurate and there may be issues.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'155570\' date=\'Jun 19 2007, 02:41 PM\']
No doubt the numbers could be better. How about taking the USA model and run game shows in the daytime and general entertainment (Movies, Law & Order reruns and casino shows) in prime? It worked for USA, they've been near the top for a long time.
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Not really a bad idea...Sony certainly has enough non-game show material to work with, and if they wanted to be really clever, just switch the letters in the name around at night and rebrand it "Screen Gems Network".
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Not really a bad idea...Sony certainly has enough non-game show material to work with, and if they wanted to be really clever, just switch the letters in the name around at night and rebrand it "Screen Gems Network".
Why not...they could resurrect the "Screen Gems Network" they had in syndication a few years ago. It was one-hour a day, and most of what they showed were Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie reruns!