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Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: byrd62 on June 16, 2007, 07:58:03 AM
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How does Rosie's TPiR bit with Bob during Rosie's old talk show qualify as "knowing the show"?

Being a big fan of Price is one thing, hosting it is another.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 16, 2007, 09:16:10 AM
This is what the loyal fans of Bob have been waiting for: An endorsement from the man himself!  Whether the powers that be agree is up in the air, but at least we know where Bob stands.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Sodboy13 on June 16, 2007, 09:33:58 AM
I believe this is Bob's way of saying, "I'd like to see the show blow up and die as soon as possible after I depart it, in order to ensure that my legend will never be even partially supplanted."
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: byrd62 on June 16, 2007, 09:37:34 AM
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'155285\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 09:33 AM\']
I believe this is Bob's way of saying, "I'd like to see the show blow up and die as soon as possible after I depart it, in order to ensure that my legend will never be even partially supplanted."
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Good point.  The only concern with getting rid of it is that for many CBS affiliates, particularly in Eastern time areas, their midday news would have less viewers if it weren't for the lead-in that TPiR gives them.  

Which leads me to ask whether "the play's the thing", no matter who succeeds Bob?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dazztardly on June 16, 2007, 10:01:39 AM
I'm not sure if Rosie could work as host of Price. She would really have to watch her p's and q's, and snap out of the "Everyone wins" tendencies she had with the talk show.

-Dan Berger
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Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: tvwxman on June 16, 2007, 10:03:00 AM
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'155285\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 09:33 AM\']
I believe this is Bob's way of saying, "I'd like to see the show blow up and die as soon as possible after I depart it, in order to ensure that my legend will never be even partially supplanted."
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Oh Bull.

I believe the above comment is Sodboy13's way of saying "I don't like Rosie O Donnell".

Seriously, if you want to believe that line of garbage, then fine. Why can't Bob have a high opinion of someone who's been nice to him for the last ten years, someone who, God forbid, unlike most of the candidates on the list of successors, actually 'has' live show experience ?  Take away her political views (which have no place being on a game show, and guess what? Even with Bill O Reilly hosting the damn show, political views STILL won't have a place being on a game show), and you have someone who is certainly capable of running a 60 minute hour of daytime,  which is EXACTLY what CBS brass better be considering , before they hand off the keys to George Hamilton.

Rosie on CBS daytime would be a dream to affiliates.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 16, 2007, 10:34:12 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'155289\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 10:03 AM\']
Take away her political views (which have no place being on a game show, and guess what? Even with Bill O Reilly hosting the damn show, political views STILL won't have a place being on a game show), and you have someone who is certainly capable of running a 60 minute hour of daytime,  which is EXACTLY what CBS brass better be considering , before they hand off the keys to George Hamilton.

Rosie on CBS daytime would be a dream to affiliates.
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Disagree 100%.

Bob, for all the stuff we've heard he does off air, is still known by most of the general public as an all-around nice guy who likes to see people win stuff and doesn't have a mean bone in his body.  Rosie had that reputation until she decided to throw it in the garbage by going after Tom Selleck totally unprovoked.  Since then, everything she's done has gone toward furthering her well-deserved reputation as a nasty, egomaniacal b**ch who can't tolerate dissent on anything or from anyone.

It was one thing for Bob to develop the latter reputation among a relatively small subset of game show fans after he'd already been in the job for a while.  Does CBS want someone with such a reputation — and who, unlike Bob, positively revels in it on top of that — among a far larger percentage of the public, going in?  I don't think so.

(And no, I don't want O'Reilly hosting either.  Although I'm not sure if Loofahs Inc. would be an upgrade or a downgrade sponsor-wise.)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Sodboy13 on June 16, 2007, 11:55:50 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'155289\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 09:03 AM\']
Oh Bull.

I believe the above comment is Sodboy13's way of saying "I don't like Rosie O Donnell".
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Actually, that would appear on your screen as "I don't like Rosie O'Donnell."  And you're right, I don't.  Hey, if this is 1998, and Rosie's in the 2nd or 3rd year of her talk show, then I'm saying the transition from Bob to Rosie could be a quite successful one.  But it's 2007, and Rosie's image has shifted from the nice, goofy woman who fawns over celebrities and shoots Koosh balls to that of a politically-polarizing, angry, and petty woman with a penchant for the offensive who spews 9/11 conspiracy theories to her audience pre-show.  

I know that her personal politics would not spill over onto Price, and that she wouldn't be bringing up any of those View-esque racy female-oriented topics during playings of 3 Strikes.  But at least in my opinion, she's at a point now where mention of her name immediately turns off a significant portion of the audience, and I would venture to guess that portion would get larger as the target audience gets older and more conservative.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 16, 2007, 12:15:47 PM
Some questions:

Are ratings for "The View" higher since Rosie left?  

If Rosie does get the Price job, might it signal a return to live telecasts for the sake of topicality? :)  

Have you noticed that the last couple host auditions have be cancelled?

It's possible that CBS doesn't want just frat boys and old ladies watching.  Rosie might bring in younger women demos.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: tvwxman on June 16, 2007, 12:23:28 PM
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'155306\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 11:55 AM\']
Actually, that would appear on your screen as "I don't like Rosie O'Donnell."  And you're right, I don't.  Hey, if this is 1998, and Rosie's in the 2nd or 3rd year of her talk show, then I'm saying the transition from Bob to Rosie could be a quite successful one.  But it's 2007, and Rosie's image has shifted from the nice, goofy woman who fawns over celebrities and shoots Koosh balls to that of a politically-polarizing, angry, and petty woman with a penchant for the offensive who spews 9/11 conspiracy theories to her audience pre-show.  

I know that her personal politics would not spill over onto Price, and that she wouldn't be bringing up any of those View-esque racy female-oriented topics during playings of 3 Strikes.  But at least in my opinion, she's at a point now where mention of her name immediately turns off a significant portion of the audience, and I would venture to guess that portion would get larger as the target audience gets older and more conservative.
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Much better opinion. Much better than

[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'155285\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 09:33 AM\']
I believe this is Bob's way of saying, "I'd like to see the show blow up and die as soon as possible after I depart it, in order to ensure that my legend will never be even partially supplanted."
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which has nothing to do with her political politics, conspiracy theories, and which part of the audience she turns on and off...instead has everything to do with prognosicating how Bob Barker's maniacial ego wants to destroy the Price is Right with a (Sodboy's opinion) faulty host.

**And for the record, yes, I agree that she can be a lightning rod for political views. Fine. I also believe that Rosie is smart enough to know that it has no place on a game show. And the fact is, her Q scores are so off the chart high , and there is a good reason why she 'will' find another show to host. Rosie, the personality is good for viewers, good for ratings, and that's all the suits want. If Freemantle and CBS decide that that is good enough for them, they'll give her the job. And I think she'll be fine at it (my opinion).
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: tpirfan28 on June 16, 2007, 03:02:32 PM
I just want it to be known that I'd rather watch Dave Price host over Rosie.

And it's scary when CNN (http://\"http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/16/barker.odonnell.ap/index.html\") picks up the story.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: ChrisLambert! on June 16, 2007, 03:44:08 PM
If Bob was even half as much of a tyrant backstage as we've been led to believe, why in the world would Fremantle even think about bringing in Rosie?  There's gotta be some merit in hiring someone who *hasn't* been sued by a subordinate.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Timsterino on June 16, 2007, 05:38:46 PM
Rosie hosting Price would be a brilliant move by CBS, IMHO.  It would bring the demos away from the View (which was in trouble before she came on). All you really have to do is look at what she did for the View in the last year.

Regardless of what happens with Price, the new NBC chief has already expressed severe interest in her. I have a feeling she will be ok. :)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: PYLdude on June 17, 2007, 02:35:55 AM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'155327\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 03:02 PM\']
I just want it to be known that I'd rather watch Dave Price host over Rosie.
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I'd rather watch a macaroni sculpture of Barker host than Dave Price.

Knock Rosie all you want, and knock her nonexistent game show hosting experience all you want (however warranted it may or may not be), but there's one thing she has over Dave Price...SHE'S BEEN A TV HOST BEFORE.

And besides, it's not like companies haven't hired strictly talk-show hosts and newspeople who've never hosted game shows before in the past to host their shows. Syndie Millionaire, anyone?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 17, 2007, 02:50:52 AM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155353\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 11:35 PM\']
but there's one thing she has over Dave Price...SHE'S BEEN A TV HOST BEFORE.
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I fail to see why Rosie hosting her talk show makes her any more or less qualified to host TPiR than Dave Price, who handles many similar (and equally game-show-host-unrelated) tasks on the morning show.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: chris319 on June 17, 2007, 04:51:24 AM
Look carefully at this picture:

http://www.jamescampion.com/rosie.jpg (http://\"http://www.jamescampion.com/rosie.jpg\")

and this one:

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/telebuddy/archives/rosie05.jpg (http://\"http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/telebuddy/archives/rosie05.jpg\")

Rosie has "anger", "hostility" and "loud-mouthed New Yorker" written all over her. You would no more cast Paul Lynde:

http://photos17.flickr.com/19653879_4ac91ef71b_m.jpg (http://\"http://photos17.flickr.com/19653879_4ac91ef71b_m.jpg\")

to play General Patton:

http://www.usachcs.army.mil/images/pattoncrop.jpg (http://\"http://www.usachcs.army.mil/images/pattoncrop.jpg\")

than cast Rosie to emcee TPIR.

TPIR wouldn't give Rosie a platform for her political views, which were responsible for her currently-high Q rating on The View, so it is questionable whether her popularity on The View would translate. Who knows whether viewers would tune in just to hear her say "This is your showcase"?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 17, 2007, 08:18:41 AM
Another strike against Rosie: She's not British or Canadian, which I believe is a prerequisite for new game show hosts in the U.S.  :)

I wonder if Ed Sanders might be considered.  I think he's made a few new fans with the Bingo show.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: HYHYBT on June 17, 2007, 09:14:58 AM
The thing is, they have (as far as I know) no incentive to announce a choice yet and no excuse not to have one by September. As long as they're taping by the end of August they can start the season on time, and meanwhile suspense is good publicity. But it's not like they *have* to find a second Bob Barker this summer. They can always put in the best they've found so far until either they find whatever they're looking for or they temp works out after all. Surely at least one of the people they've looked into, including the stage shows, is likable and at least competent, and if not, see if Chuck Woolery's busy.

Besides, a taping break gives them time to unstick the big doors :)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: chris319 on June 17, 2007, 11:05:16 PM
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They can always put in the best they've found so far until either they find whatever they're looking for or they temp works out after all.
Um, if someone is good enough to use temporarily, why not use them permanently?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: CarbonCpy on June 17, 2007, 11:10:54 PM
Does anyone else remember back in the day that story that was circulating about Rosie being the new host of Let's Make a Deal?


Just wonderin', s'all.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: JayDLewis on June 18, 2007, 09:36:23 AM
FWIW, Rosie herself, on her blog, confirms that she has a meeting this week with "them" (be that Price, Fremantle or CBS)

http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/ (http://\"http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/\")
(you'll have to wade through lots of garbage and "Ro" channeling ee cummings)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: HYHYBT on June 18, 2007, 10:37:50 AM
I like that she says she'd change it so that the losers get consolation prizes, seeing as they already do.

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Um, if someone is good enough to use temporarily, why not use them permanently?
There you go using logic...

I guess what I meant was that the standard for "good enough" would drop fast as time runs out; just about any host would be better than none. And if the show does have to go on with someone who isn't all that good, keep looking and hope to stay on long enough either for either the host you have to get better or for someone else to turn up.

Then again, I can't even pick the right person to hire as cashier so maybe it'd be better to stay out of this :)

I still suspect, based on absolutely nothing, that either they have someone and don't want to announce it yet, or they have someone in mind they aren't sure they can get.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on June 18, 2007, 11:33:44 AM
[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'155435\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 09:36 AM\']
FWIW, Rosie herself, on her blog, confirms that she has a meeting this week with "them" (be that Price, Fremantle or CBS)

http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/ (http://\"http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/\")
(you'll have to wade through lots of garbage and "Ro" channeling ee cummings)[/quote]
I didn't wade through it (I'm not a fan of Rosie's writing), but I don't think it means much.  On the one hand, I wouldn't put it past her at all just to make up stories that sound good.  I also don't think it would be any big deal for Fremantle to "take a meeting" with her without having the slightest interest in hiring her.  Happens all the time.

Having said that, if she desperately wants to do it, and CBS is desperate for the publicity, I don't think it would be the most bizarre thing in the world for her to get the gig after all.  I fairly recently said that there was no chance in the world that Rosie would be hired to host TPIR.  Today, as the search drags on, I'm no longer absolutely sure that's true.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: JayDLewis on June 18, 2007, 01:25:39 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'155441\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:33 AM\']
I didn't wade through it (I'm not a fan of Rosie's writing), but I don't think it means much.
[/quote]

I agree (that it doesn't mean much) but for someone who was completely out of the running a month ago...

Seems like she might be back in the running, at least temporarily.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: TimK2003 on June 18, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'155441\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 11:33 AM\']

I didn't wade through it (I'm not a fan of Rosie's writing), but I don't think it means much.  On the one hand, I wouldn't put it past her at all just to make up stories that sound good.  I also don't think it would be any big deal for Fremantle to "take a meeting" with her without having the slightest interest in hiring her.  Happens all the time.

Having said that, if she desperately wants to do it, and CBS is desperate for the publicity, I don't think it would be the most bizarre thing in the world for her to get the gig after all.  I fairly recently said that there was no chance in the world that Rosie would be hired to host TPIR.  Today, as the search drags on, I'm no longer absolutely sure that's true.
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Fremantle could be meeting with Rosie on a variety of things.  Though Fremantle (AFAIK) has never fronted a US talk show, they know that she is a hot commodity right now.  

What's not to say that they could be looking at her for a new talk show, talent show, 2nd year of Game Show Marathon or a role in the revival of Baywatch as a Beached Whale -- all not necessarily related to filling the shoes of Bob Barker.  

Seeing that syndicators and production companies are already constructing shows for the 2008-09 season (The Mom Show, Bonnie Hunt's talk show, Daytime DoND,...), this could be an opportunity for her down the road, and not for TPIR, though the timing of the meeting could be used to suggest otherwise.

I for one would think that Rosie would cause the ratings to drop more than they would rise.  Fremantle would be better off to use her somewhere else where a television institution is not at risk.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: PYLdude on June 18, 2007, 01:30:29 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155354\' date=\'Jun 17 2007, 02:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155353\' date=\'Jun 16 2007, 11:35 PM\']
but there's one thing she has over Dave Price...SHE'S BEEN A TV HOST BEFORE.
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I fail to see why Rosie hosting her talk show makes her any more or less qualified to host TPiR than Dave Price, who handles many similar (and equally game-show-host-unrelated) tasks on the morning show.
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And I don't see how being an annoying TV weatherman makes Dave Price equally or more qualified to host TPIR over Rosie.

If I got a choice between someone who has hosting experience versus someone who doesn't, regardless of how similar their duties are, I'm taking the person who hosted before.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2007, 01:39:02 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155445\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:30 AM\']
And I don't see how being an annoying TV weatherman makes Dave Price equally or more qualified to host TPIR over Rosie.
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Mainly because you don't want to.
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If I got a choice between someone who has hosting experience versus someone who doesn't, regardless of how similar their duties are, I'm taking the person who hosted before.
Please, enlighten me as to what game show Rosie has hosted.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: BrandonFG on June 18, 2007, 01:41:20 PM
Am I the only one who's starting not to even care who they select anymore? Fremantle has had at least eight months to find Barker's replacement, and they still can't make a solid decision. All we have is a front runner candidate, and depending on who you ask, the name is not even consistent.

This is becoming a joke.

/I still say do TPiR reruns until they find a host
//At this rate, they'll go through all the episodes until they find one
///Even the half-hour episodes!
////No furs though
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: PYLdude on June 18, 2007, 01:45:01 PM
[quote name='clemon79' date='Jun 18 2007, 01:39 PM' post='155446']
[quote name='PYLdude' post='155445' date='Jun 18 2007, 10:30 AM']
And I don't see how being an annoying TV weatherman makes Dave Price equally or more qualified to host TPIR over Rosie.
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Mainly because you don't want to.
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Then explain to me why I should be so enlightened as to Dave Price being a better potential host, because I don't see it.

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If I got a choice between someone who has hosting experience versus someone who doesn't, regardless of how similar their duties are, I'm taking the person who hosted before.
Please, enlighten me as to what game show Rosie has hosted.

Like I said earlier, talk show hosts with no game show hosting experience have been given jobs before. And you're a fool to say it couldn't happen here.

(Just for the record, if it was up to me, neither one of them should even be considered.)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2007, 01:45:25 PM
[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'155443\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:25 AM\']
Seems like she might be back in the running, at least temporarily.
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Or that she wants people to think she is.

Which, considering she's looking for a gig, would certainly be a fine way to at least create the illusion of a bidding war.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 18, 2007, 01:45:55 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155446\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155445\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:30 AM\']
If I got a choice between someone who has hosting experience versus someone who doesn't, regardless of how similar their duties are, I'm taking the person who hosted before.
[/quote]
Please, enlighten me as to what game show Rosie has hosted.
[/quote]
I think PYLdude's point is that she's had experience hosting something, and that alone is a qualification even if it's not a game show that she hosted.

In other words, he'd choose the host of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on USA Network over, say, a comedian to host TPIR, because the former has hosting experience.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 18, 2007, 01:48:57 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155448\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:45 PM\']
Then explain to me why I should be so enlightened as to Dave Price being a better potential host, because I don't see it.
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He didn't say you should.  He said there was no reason to believe Rosie would be better for having hosted a talk show.  That's not an endorsement of Dave Price.

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Like I said earlier, talk show hosts with no game show hosting experience have been given jobs before. And you're a fool to say it couldn't happen here.
Again: he said there was no reason to believe Rosie would be better for having hosted a talk show.  That doesn't translate to "no way in hell will Rosie get it" no matter how much you want it to.

You want to think she's a better choice?  Fine, that's your prerogative.  Putting words in someone else's mouth when that person never said those words isn't.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2007, 01:53:43 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155448\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:45 AM\']
Then explain to me why I should be so enlightened as to Dave Price being a better potential host, because I don't see it.
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I'm not saying he's better. Gawd, no. Your claim was that Rosie is a better candidate based on her hosting a talk show, which I reject on the basis that what she did on her talk show is not at all significantly different than what Price does on his bits on the Daily Show. And that neither one of those is hosting a game show, making them both equally unqualified.
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Like I said earlier, talk show hosts with no game show hosting experience have been given jobs before. And you're a fool to say it couldn't happen here.
Then it's probably a good thing I didn't say that, isn't it? Especially because that was precisely the pedigree held by the #1 can't-miss-but-apparently-he's-contractually-tied-elsewhere candidate, Tom Bergeron, prior to his hiring for Hollywood Squares.

But, you know, don't get the facts get in the way of a good snark.
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(Just for the record, if it was up to me, neither one of them should even be considered.)
On this we absolutely agree.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: PYLdude on June 18, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
EDIT:Eh, nevermind.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2007, 01:55:17 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155450\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:45 AM\']
I think PYLdude's point is that she's had experience hosting something, and that alone is a qualification even if it's not a game show that she hosted.
[/quote]
I understand his point perfectly. Of course, he seems unwilling to consider anyone else's. Not that that surprises me in the least.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: PYLdude on June 18, 2007, 01:59:22 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155454\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155450\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:45 AM\']
I think PYLdude's point is that she's had experience hosting something, and that alone is a qualification even if it's not a game show that she hosted.
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I understand his point perfectly. Of course, he seems unwilling to consider anyone else's. Not that that surprises me in the least.
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Especially considering that WASN'T my point.

My point was this: if considering Rosie O' Donnell and Dave Price (and STRICTLY those two, and no one else), I have to give a slight edge to Rosie just because of the fact that she has hosted a TV show before. Like I said, neither one of them should be considered anyway.

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In other words, he'd choose the host of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on USA Network over, say, a comedian to host TPIR, because the former has hosting experience.

No, I wouldn't.

Stop assuming what my motives are.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2007, 02:06:02 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155455\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:59 AM\']
My point was this: if considering Rosie O' Donnell and Dave Price (and STRICTLY those two, and no one else), I have to give a slight edge to Rosie just because of the fact that she has hosted a TV show before. Like I said, neither one of them should be considered anyway.
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But that's what Dave said. You're claiming Rosie has more experience (and everyone involved knows that we're only comparing her and Price) because she's hosted something. Granted, Dave's guilty of a huge straw man fallacy with his Kennel Club shot, and he knows better than that, but that IS what you're saying.

And I'm not saying that Rosie doesn't have experience. I'm saying that it's not significantly more than Price's.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 18, 2007, 02:06:43 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155455\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:59 PM\']
Especially considering that WASN'T my point.
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Actually, yeah, it was:

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155445\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:30 PM\']
If I got a choice between someone who has hosting experience versus someone who doesn't, regardless of how similar their duties are, I'm taking the person who hosted before.
[/quote]
And you just made it again here:

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155455\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:59 PM\']
My point was this: if considering Rosie O' Donnell and Dave Price (and STRICTLY those two, and no one else), I have to give a slight edge to Rosie just because of the fact that she has hosted a TV show before.
[/quote]
Either "hosting" regardless of the type of show hosted deserves an edge, or it doesn't.  You've now said, three different times in two posts, that it does.  You can't do that and then deny that it's exactly what you said!

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In other words, he'd choose the host of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on USA Network over, say, a comedian to host TPIR, because the former has hosting experience.
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No, I wouldn't.
Actually, by your own self-declared standard, yes, you would.  You're free to go back and admit that you were hasty in making such a general declaration, but that would amount to admitting a mistake...

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Stop assuming what my motives are.
...and now your motive is, in fact, avoiding admitting to a mistake.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 18, 2007, 02:09:29 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155456\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 02:06 PM\']
But that's what Dave said. You're claiming Rosie has more experience (and everyone involved knows that we're only comparing her and Price) because she's hosted something. Granted, Dave's guilty of a huge straw man fallacy with his Kennel Club shot, and he knows better than that, but that IS what you're saying.
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I merely took his overly general claim to its logical conclusion.  Of course I don't think he'd pick the Kennel Club host for Price.  Of course, at this point I'm not entirely sure CBS wouldn't. ;-)

EDIT: 3000 posts.  Whee.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: PYLdude on June 18, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155458\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 02:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'155456\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 02:06 PM\']
But that's what Dave said. You're claiming Rosie has more experience (and everyone involved knows that we're only comparing her and Price) because she's hosted something. Granted, Dave's guilty of a huge straw man fallacy with his Kennel Club shot, and he knows better than that, but that IS what you're saying.
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I merely took his overly general claim to its logical conclusion.  Of course I don't think he'd pick the Kennel Club host for Price.  Of course, at this point I'm not entirely sure CBS wouldn't. ;-)
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My standard, as it was, was not intended by me to be a universal one. I probably should have made that more clear.

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EDIT: 3000 posts.  Whee.

Hope you get into the Hall of Fame. ;)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 18, 2007, 02:20:31 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'155459\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 02:12 PM\']
My standard, as it was, was not intended by me to be a universal one. I probably should have made that more clear.
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And I probably should have been more clear that I was merely trying to show the limits of that standard.  So we're even. ;-)

For the record, I wouldn't want either Rosie O'Donnell or Dave Price in the job either.  I've already expressed my views on the competence and demeanor of the former, and while I like the latter in his current job I don't think, to put it mildly, that Price would be a smooth transition.

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EDIT: 3000 posts.  Whee.
Hope you get into the Hall of Fame. ;)
Didn't know we had one.  Maybe we need to open one. ;-)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2007, 02:30:27 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155458\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 11:09 AM\']
I merely took his overly general claim to its logical conclusion.[/quote]
Oh, now you're being as obstinate as he is. You knew damn well what he meant, and you took advantage that he had respect enough for his audience not to have to clarify it into a fine paste. Which is the very textbook definition of the straw man.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on June 18, 2007, 09:10:14 PM
Rosie sure does get people riled up, huh?

(I'll be over here, failing to inject any levity.)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: dzinkin on June 18, 2007, 10:42:01 PM
In retrospect, what I should have said was "...I don't think you meant that the way it sounded, because if you took that to its logical conclusion, this is what you're saying" or at least made it clearer that I didn't really think PYLdude was endorsing the host of the Kennel Club Show to replace TPIR.

PYLdude, if you thought I was trying to make you look like an idiot, I'm sorry.  I know some won't believe that that wasn't my intent, but it truly wasn't.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Neumms on June 18, 2007, 10:49:45 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155450\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 12:45 PM\']
In other words, he'd choose the host of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on USA Network over, say, a comedian to host TPIR, because the former has hosting experience.
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Hey, Fred Willard might be a great host.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 18, 2007, 11:18:55 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'155509\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155450\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 12:45 PM\']
In other words, he'd choose the host of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on USA Network over, say, a comedian to host TPIR, because the former has hosting experience.
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Hey, Fred Willard might be a great host.
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Joe Garagiola might still be available too.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: uncamark on June 19, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
I am wondering if Fremantle even intended to make a pick until Barker was safely out the door, with his office in Santa Monica and dressing room next to 33 packed and vacated (including Dian's spare panties).  Granted, it seems as though he was not involved in the selection and audition process at all, but I'm wondering if Cecile Frot-Coutaux wanted to make sure that on those rainy Fridays when Barker wasn't on the golf course that he didn't have the hankering to saunter into her office and offer advice on his replacement.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 19, 2007, 01:04:18 PM
The item has made the radio show prep services.  This morn one radio guy said "If Rosie takes over, the title of the show will change to 'The Price Is Left'."
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: BrandonFG on June 19, 2007, 01:08:36 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'155553\' date=\'Jun 19 2007, 01:04 PM\']
The item has made the radio show prep services.  This morn one radio guy said "If Rosie takes over, the title of the show will change to 'The Price Is Left'."
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I lol'd
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: SamJ93 on June 19, 2007, 01:16:58 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'155509\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 10:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'155450\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 12:45 PM\']
In other words, he'd choose the host of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on USA Network over, say, a comedian to host TPIR, because the former has hosting experience.
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Hey, Fred Willard might be a great host.
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"Our next item up for bids is...how much you think I can bench press.  Go on, take a guess, what do you think?"

/Best in Show FTW

--Sam
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: clemon79 on June 19, 2007, 01:21:42 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'155553\' date=\'Jun 19 2007, 10:04 AM\']
The item has made the radio show prep services.
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So, Fark's got it, then? ;)
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: tpirfan28 on June 20, 2007, 07:49:08 PM
Remarks not a Rosie endorsement (http://\"http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_en_ce/people_barker_o_donnell;_ylt=AjguCtN2986rpDFNVkg8L1nMWM0F\")
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: cmjb13 on June 20, 2007, 08:09:24 PM
Here's (http://\"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284975,00.html\") another article. Check this quote out...

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One solution that O’Donnell will propose is shooting a month’s worth of shows over a four-day period every 30 days
You would absolutely be pushing it at 3 shows a day. And this quote...

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I’m told that the reason “Price” reruns are not syndicated to cable outlets like Game Show Network or TV Land has to do with his own bitterness about former female presenters who appeared in three decades of shows
Explain to me how GSN it ran for about 4 years
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: tpirfan28 on June 20, 2007, 08:17:14 PM
The unraveling about testifying against Barker didn't happen yet.

Oh...I didn't see that quote....but saw this about five lines down...
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But Barker, sources say, has managed to get back at the Beauties by stopping the syndication.

“That way the girls have never gotten a dime for their reruns,” says my source. “They’d be making millions now by union rules. But Barker has made sure they haven’t gotten anything.”
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 20, 2007, 08:37:52 PM
That Fox News item was more of a gossip column, not a story.  Wouldn't the scorned beauties get any royalties from the upcoming DVD release?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: BrandonFG on June 20, 2007, 08:59:27 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'155698\' date=\'Jun 20 2007, 08:37 PM\']
That Fox News item was more of a gossip column
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There. Fixed that for ya.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on June 21, 2007, 12:06:52 AM
They'd be making millions? Of what? I thought they retired Penny Ante.
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: HYHYBT on June 21, 2007, 03:56:25 AM
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In fact, until this summer, “The Price is Right” wasn’t even shown in reruns.
So what, then, have they been airing every summer up till now?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: TheLastResort on June 21, 2007, 05:15:18 AM
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'155720\' date=\'Jun 21 2007, 02:56 AM\']
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In fact, until this summer, “The Price is Right” wasn’t even shown in reruns.
So what, then, have they been airing every summer up till now?
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Encore presentations?
Title: If Bob Had His Way...
Post by: chris319 on June 21, 2007, 06:47:46 AM
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"I think there are several candidates who could do the show, and Rosie is certainly one of them."
She is NOT a candidate, you old geezer. a) She has not done an audition, and b) Fremantle's public statements imply that they are not even interested in her.

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One solution that O’Donnell will propose is shooting a month’s worth of shows over a four-day period every 30 days
Five one-hour shows per day with one hour of rehearsal each? Throw in a production meeting and first and second meals and the time it takes to turn the studio around from taping one show to rehearsing the next, and you're talking 14 - 16 hour days. You'll burn the crew out.

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You would absolutely be pushing it at 3 shows a day.
They've never taped three one-hour shows per day, to the best of my knowledge. It was proposed but Barker wouldn't go for it. The closest they've come was two one-hour shows and one half-hour show when Barker was emceeing the nighttime version in '79 and '80. Their taping day ran from 10 am to 8 pm IIRC, which is tolerable.