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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: tvwxman on May 22, 2007, 07:27:17 AM
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From Cynopsis.net:
GSN has acquired the off-net cable rights to Show Me The Money, the limited ABC game show series with host William Shatner, distributed by Disney-ABC Domestic Television. The game will debut on GSN on June 12, beginning with the first of seven episodes, plus two that never aired on ABC, says Hollywood Reporter.
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Holy....
This came outta nowhere.
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Who says GSN isn't still interested in the classics?
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Despite (most) everyone's grousing, I'm still of the opinion that SMtM was a very good quiz game, just screwed up with the hour stretch and the dancing crap. We got an actual quiz without 3rd grade level multiple choice answers, no money tree, and some actual big risk beyond falling back to a safe plateau. In one sense, you could say it's closer to Jeopardy than Millionaire. But... maybe today's mainstream audience is totally lost without being able to choose between a-b-c and d?
Rant over....
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I hate to say this after I berated this show endlessly, but I'd gladly watch this any day of the week over Chain Reaction. I looked back an episode I was sent a bit ago and I do respect them at least using tough trivia towards the end of the game and the end of the series. Don't respect them for much else regarding the game, but for the trivia, yes. It's more game than we're given in Bingo Night at least.
I find myself compromising and saying "Well at least it's not __________" a lot during this recent game show explosion. I wish I didn't have to.
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I'm gueesing heads will roll or chairs will be thrown if this doesn't pan out at GSN.
From discussions here, I found that if an episode does not air, the contestant doesn't get paid the money they earn. So if GSN airs those episodes, will the contestants get paid their money, and who makes the payout: ABC, Endemol, or GSN?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'153027\' date=\'May 22 2007, 05:56 AM\']
Who says GSN isn't still interested in the classics?
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No more calls, please.
[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'153029\' date=\'May 22 2007, 06:54 AM\']
Despite (most) everyone's grousing, I'm still of the opinion that SMtM was a very good quiz game, just screwed up with the hour stretch and the dancing crap.
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Except it was broken as all hell. Allowing someone to pass as much as they wanted was ridiculous, the Killer Question Of Extreme Anal Chafing was about as confusing and bad as television got...there were still BIG problems. I respect your opinion, but I think if you take away the dancers and fix the pacing, it _still_ sucks.
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'153030\' date=\'May 22 2007, 07:03 AM\']
I hate to say this after I berated this show endlessly, but I'd gladly watch this any day of the week over Chain Reaction.[/quote]
Holy damning with faint praise, Batman! :)
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'153024\' date=\'May 22 2007, 07:27 AM\']
plus two that never aired on ABC,[/quote]
I wonder if the contesatnts got their winnings for the unaired episodes, and if not, whether a GSN airing means somebody has to cough it up to them. Of course, another possibility is that the contestants on the unaired shows all wiped out.
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NINE EPISODES?????? OF A SHOW THAT BOMBED ON ABC?????? Cripes, if I were a shareholder of Sony or Liberty Media I'd be off to a securities lawyer to start a class action lawsuit for squandering the corporations' money on s**t.
If you want to bring back SMTM, you do it the way WWE does it: straight time buy. Buy the air time from GSN and any ad revenue is kept by the party buying the air time.
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Y'know, I suggested a modification of the rules some time ago. Modifications that included losing the dancers, making the budget about 1/10 of what it was*, and making a three-strike policy, but being allowed a safety net after three correct answers. However, somehow make it a two-player competition where the main SMtM game would be a bonus round.
You do all that, and you'd have a decent daytime game show.
*To all you who think you need to offer buttloads of money, contestants were getting over half-a-mil for answering six questions. $50,000 would be a nice payout.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153050\' date=\'May 22 2007, 11:53 AM\']
NINE EPISODES?????? OF A SHOW THAT BOMBED ON ABC??????
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It's worse than that. Seven shows, not nine (the original comment was a bit misleading in it's wording). Only five aired on ABC, two went un-aired.
In what possible universe is this a good idea? Who in, out, beside, or across from their right mind could have approved something like this? No one watched the show on ABC, what makes them think this can do even remotely respectable numbers on a mid-tier cable niche channel like GSN.
And the fun part is that GSN's actions get to piss off TWO sets of shareholders, Sony AND Liberty Media - specifically the Liberty Capital side of the company, which is the other half of the network ownership.
/Still better than National Bingo Night
//I miss The Price is Right.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153050\' date=\'May 22 2007, 12:53 PM\']
NINE EPISODES?????? OF A SHOW THAT BOMBED ON ABC?????? Cripes, if I were a shareholder of Sony or Liberty Media I'd be off to a securities lawyer to start a class action lawsuit for squandering the corporations' money on s**t.
If you want to bring back SMTM, you do it the way WWE does it: straight time buy. Buy the air time from GSN and any ad revenue is kept by the party buying the air time.
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Unlesssssssssssssss.....
GSN is doing this as a piggy back onto another , bigger Endemol order?
This kind of back-room deal is the norm these days. It's the only logical reason I can explain ABC's purchase of "Cavemen" for this fall.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'153059\' date=\'May 22 2007, 10:42 AM\']
/Still better than National Bingo Night
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Really? Even with NBN's flaws, it was still less sphincter-puckering than Show Me Teh Shatner.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153064\' date=\'May 22 2007, 12:50 PM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'153059\' date=\'May 22 2007, 10:42 AM\']
/Still better than National Bingo Night
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Really? Even with NBN's flaws, it was still less sphincter-puckering than Show Me Teh Shatner.
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At least Show Me The Piece of Shat didn't edit out segments of game play left and right to make it look like one thing happened (Ms. 7-straight-pulls) when it didn't quite turn out as nicely. (Even if she got six straight, which I'm not convinced of, there was definitely 1 edited pull before that last/seventh one). Watching Shatner become more and more like Denny Crane with every passing day beats that, if barely.
/Though if I were held at gunpoint and forced to watch one or the other, the bullet might tempt me for a second.
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In a brief amount of time, this could break the record set by Greed: The Multi-Million Dollar Challenge/The Series for the most times a run has been presented over that channel.
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So is it five shows that actually aired on ABC and two that went unaired, for a total of seven episodes? Where do you suppose they got seven and two?
Hell, we used to tape TEN episodes of Password Plus at a time and they ALL aired (except for the George Peppard episode). Then we taped 10 more after that ... and THEY all aired. My mind is reeling.
Note to GSN management: I can fix you up with two low-mileage, English telenovela series, five episodes per week, hardly ever viewed.
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So is it five shows that actually aired on ABC and two that went unaired, for a total of seven episodes? Where do you suppose they got seven and two?
There were seven shows total, so it was probably just confusion on whether the two episodes were in addition to, or included with, that 7 count.
Note to GSN management: I can fix you up with two low-mileage, English telenovela series, five episodes per week, hardly ever viewed.
Hell, if they're this starved for programming, I've got a backlog of about 2 years of local cable access programs they can air.
It'd still be more entertaining than this.
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A little "Summer Replacement" action, anyone? Run each one once, while you're working up something else to premiere in the fall, perhaps?
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'153074\' date=\'May 22 2007, 02:51 PM\']
A little "Summer Replacement" action, anyone? Run each one once, while you're working up something else to premiere in the fall, perhaps?
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Naah. GSN is going to run this sucker into the ground till the tape wears out on its own.
Really bad pickup. Won't watch, unless I'm desperate.
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I wonder how much they paid per episode for this. But yet they won't go out and get something their message board people want. (It's a stretch. Try to go with it.)
And they wonder why we b****, moan, and complain (aka don't watch) GSN anymore.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153080\' date=\'May 22 2007, 03:45 PM\']
I wonder how much they paid per episode for this. But yet they won't go out and get something their message board people want. (It's a stretch. Try to go with it.)
And they wonder why we b****, moan, and complain (aka don't watch) GSN anymore.
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Well, on one hand, of course they're not there to please us. Hell, if that were the case, they wouldn't squeeze credits. ;-)
On the other hand, I don't understand what there is to gain from this. People didn't watch it on ABC, why the hell are they gonna watch it now? At least "21" was a Top 20 show that NBC canceled prematurely. "Greed" won its timeslot on several occasions, and even "Super Millionaire" had respectable primetime ratings.
This pickup, I just don't understand.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153081\' date=\'May 22 2007, 03:50 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153080\' date=\'May 22 2007, 03:45 PM\']
I wonder how much they paid per episode for this. But yet they won't go out and get something their message board people want. (It's a stretch. Try to go with it.)
And they wonder why we b****, moan, and complain (aka don't watch) GSN anymore.
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Well, on one hand, of course they're not there to please us. Hell, if that were the case, they wouldn't squeeze credits. ;-)
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Not to mention that giving GSN's message board inhabitants what they want would be difficult for anyone without a master's degree in child psychology.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'153072\' date=\'May 22 2007, 01:49 PM\']
if they're this starved for programming, I've got a backlog of about 2 years of local cable access programs they can air.
It'd still be more entertaining than this.
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That, or I could call the local university TV station and have them pull out the tapes of the game shows they did.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153052\' date=\'May 22 2007, 10:10 AM\']Y'know, I suggested a modification of the rules some time ago...[/quote]I was right there with you, but I think it needs something more than "These thirty squares hide money amounts from $1 and $50,000, a right answer wins you that amount, a wrong answer deducts it." Then again, what with the current climate, maybe you don't.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153081\' date=\'May 22 2007, 12:50 PM\']This pickup, I just don't understand.
[/quote]So, the company that wouldn't lay out to run a single episode of TPIR has enough scratch to buy seven episodes of a show that did poorly; either GSN is bad at money management or ABC is cash-poor and was willing to take whatever they were given.
Even if GSN is going after the channel-surfers, this just seems wrong on many levels.
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Or Matt is right, and Endemol foisted this off on them in a package deal for something they actually did want, like more Millionaire.
Or they're just high on freakin' crack.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153148\' date=\'May 23 2007, 02:34 AM\']
Or they're just high on freakin' crack.
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They don't have Thousand Dollar Bee (yet)...so they'd be on lower-level addicting drugs. :)
EDIT: Why couldn't they pick up the Rich List from Fox, and then piggyback this, the Rich List, and Greed in a rotation?
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Someone said "The Rich List" would have been obligated to give away a huge amount of money if the shows had actually aired, which works against ever seeing it on GSN. If the shows don't air, the contestants don't have to be paid. My guess is not as much money was given away on the two unaired SMTM eps.
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Also, Million Dollar Dancer Julianne Hough has been seen on ABC every Monday and Tuesday night for the last ten weeks as the partner of the winnah of "Dancing With the Stars" Cycle 4.
I know, outlandish, but I wouldn't be surprised about anything these days.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153148\' date=\'May 23 2007, 02:34 AM\']
Or Matt is right, and Endemol foisted this off on them in a package deal for something they actually did want, like more Millionaire.
Or they're just high on freakin' crack.[/quote]
I don't remember Endemol ever being associated with Millionaire, so it's probably the latter.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'153181\' date=\'May 23 2007, 01:19 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153148\' date=\'May 23 2007, 02:34 AM\']
Or Matt is right, and Endemol foisted this off on them in a package deal for something they actually did want, like more Millionaire.
Or they're just high on freakin' crack.[/quote]
I don't remember Endemol ever being associated with Millionaire, so it's probably the latter.
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Unless.......
GSN wants Deal or No Deal repeats. And Endemol is making them air this first.
(What other Endemol properties are there, anyway?)
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I know this is Endemol obviously, but every press release I see stresses the fact that this is Disney-ABC Domestic Television quite a bit. Disney-ABC Domestic Television is the new name of Buena Vista. I'd think this is sort of a sweetening of a deal to buy a season or two of syndie Millionaire. The ratings have dropped significantly for the Regis version so you know they have to be doing anything they conceivably can to get the new episodes in. People will think they are new. I get emails thanking me (as if I work at GSN) for the brand new episodes of Twenty-One.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'153190\' date=\'May 23 2007, 12:59 PM\']
I know this is Endemol obviously, but every press release I see stresses the fact that this is Disney-ABC Domestic Television quite a bit. Disney-ABC Domestic Television is the new name of Buena Vista. I'd think this is sort of a sweetening of a deal to buy a season or two of syndie Millionaire. The ratings have dropped significantly for the Regis version so you know they have to be doing anything they conceivably can to get the new episodes in. People will think they are new. I get emails thanking me (as if I work at GSN) for the brand new episodes of Twenty-One.
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And "DOND" would be bought from NBC Universal.
It seems to me that the standard reality show contract these days gives the network's syndication arm the back end syndication rights for the version they're airing, unless the producer has a syndication arm (BBC Worldwide could sell reruns of "Dancing" through itself, as it could the "Strictly Come Dancing" British original)--correct?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153182\' date=\'May 23 2007, 01:23 PM\']
(What other Endemol properties are there, anyway?)
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1 vs. 100 and Fear Factor, the latter of which aired in syndication from 2004-06, and on FX in reruns around the same time.
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I have a feeling that the Endemol shows on NBC are going to stay in the NBCU franchise since they give CNBC their ratings, even though it could make some business sense to shop it.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153050\' date=\'May 22 2007, 11:53 AM\']
If you want to bring back SMTM, you do it the way WWE does it: straight time buy. Buy the air time from GSN and any ad revenue is kept by the party buying the air time.
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Which gives me an idea: How much would a time buy on GSN cost, anyway? Let's, all of us, pool our money and we can get them to put "Now You See It" back on, or "Break the Bank" or whatever. It can't cost THAT much, can it?
And if we can make up some demographic data about game show devotees and attract a sponsor, like how Bunco players are prone to indigestion, we can even recoup some of it!
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153299\' date=\'May 24 2007, 09:01 AM\']
Which gives me an idea: How much would a time buy on GSN cost, anyway? Let's, all of us, pool our money and we can get them to put "Now You See It" back on, or "Break the Bank" or whatever. It can't cost THAT much, can it?
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I'm honestly not sure. Are you serious?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153299\' date=\'May 24 2007, 12:01 PM\']
we can get them to put "Now You See It" back on[/quote]
I wonder how well this program would work as a GSN original.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153299\' date=\'May 24 2007, 11:01 AM\']
Which gives me an idea: How much would a time buy on GSN cost, anyway?
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I'd rather save my pennies dollars first-born child to pay off something besides airtime on a game show television channel.
Nevermind the fact that unless your little Game Show Cooperative hired someone to represent them in the dealings necessary to secure the time buy, you'd probably be asked to leave the premises at the front desk. And that costs more money.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'153322\' date=\'May 24 2007, 02:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153299\' date=\'May 24 2007, 12:01 PM\']
we can get them to put "Now You See It" back on[/quote]
I wonder how well this program would work as a GSN original.
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The only thing is, one of their new originals "Camouflage"* is remarkably similar to the concept.
*Not to be confused with the Don Morrow/Tom Campbell versions from the early-60s and 80s, respectively.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153299\' date=\'May 24 2007, 09:01 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153050\' date=\'May 22 2007, 11:53 AM\']
If you want to bring back SMTM, you do it the way WWE does it: straight time buy. Buy the air time from GSN and any ad revenue is kept by the party buying the air time.
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Which gives me an idea: How much would a time buy on GSN cost, anyway? Let's, all of us, pool our money and we can get them to put "Now You See It" back on, or "Break the Bank" or whatever. It can't cost THAT much, can it?
And if we can make up some demographic data about game show devotees and attract a sponsor, like how Bunco players are prone to indigestion, we can even recoup some of it!
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You forgot one little detail: "we" don't own the rights to those shows.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153493\' date=\'May 26 2007, 08:23 PM\']
You forgot one little detail: "we" don't own the rights to those shows.
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True, but GSN does. I honestly don't know what they would charge for time. Even if they can do a 1.0 rating, it wouldn't be cheap. But overnight? That might be.
I wouldn't forgo groceries to pay for it, but it might be a good conversation.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153674\' date=\'May 29 2007, 07:48 AM\']
True, but GSN does. I honestly don't know what they would charge for time. Even if they can do a 1.0 rating, it wouldn't be cheap. But overnight? That might be.
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You're really not getting this, are you?
Bypassing the asinine economics of the situation (and make no mistake, they _are_ asinine), when you do a time buy, that time is yours to air what you want (within regulations) of YOUR OWN CONTENT. I'm sure that GSN would be thrilled to let you choose something out of their vault to air in that slot, and I'm even more sure they would charge you a nice little licensing fee (because, you see, THEY own the content, and not you) to do so. And then they would sit back and laugh at you for being fool enough to pay them to air their own content on their own cable channel.
/and so would I
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153678\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:38 AM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153674\' date=\'May 29 2007, 07:48 AM\']
True, but GSN does. I honestly don't know what they would charge for time. Even if they can do a 1.0 rating, it wouldn't be cheap. But overnight? That might be.
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You're really not getting this, are you?
Bypassing the asinine economics of the situation (and make no mistake, they _are_ asinine), when you do a time buy, that time is yours to air what you want (within regulations) of YOUR OWN CONTENT. I'm sure that GSN would be thrilled to let you choose something out of their vault to air in that slot, and I'm even more sure they would charge you a nice little licensing fee (because, you see, THEY own the content, and not you) to do so. And then they would sit back and laugh at you for being fool enough to pay them to air their own content on their own cable channel.
/and so would I
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If they charged a license fee, we wouldn't do it. This would require some desparation on GSN's part. My thinking is, if we're willing to buy time on some part of their schedule when few others are, they might be willing to play ball with what they show. If infomercials are more lucrative than whatever we'd cough up, then they won't be.
If it was a sponsor instead, say Pearle Vision Center is willing to pony up if they run "Now You See It" at oh, 8 eastern, I can't imagine GSN would hold them up for a licensing fee. They'd say, hell, we'll run Child's Play some other time.
Again, I haven't the foggiest idea of what they get for half an hour at 4 in the morning. It may be $10,000. It may be $100.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'153714\' date=\'May 29 2007, 11:59 AM\']
My thinking is, if we're willing to buy time on some part of their schedule when few others are, they might be willing to play ball with what they show.
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Your thinking is very VERY flawed.
If it was a sponsor instead, say Pearle Vision Center is willing to pony up if they run "Now You See It" at oh, 8 eastern, I can't imagine GSN would hold them up for a licensing fee.
Not the same animal as a plain cash buy. At all.
Again, I haven't the foggiest idea of what they get for half an hour at 4 in the morning.
Yeah, that's pretty obvious.
(hint: start with the larger number.)
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Darn those economic realities! I was hoping the makers of Tater Mitts could bring back "Hot Potato."
What might be interesting is if somebody could open a boutique DVD company and sub-lease rights to old game shows not worth Sony or BCI/Eclipse's time for sale to the 20-30 or so people here that might be interested. You could make a DVD master and make dubs as the orders come in. Maybe do an infomercial with highlights like they do for the old Dean Martin or Red Skelton DVDs and sell them only through a TV offer.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'153059\' date=\'May 22 2007, 01:42 PM\']
In what possible universe is this a good idea? Who in, out, beside, or across from their right mind could have approved something like this? No one watched the show on ABC, what makes them think this can do even remotely respectable numbers on a mid-tier cable niche channel like GSN.
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ABC looks at a 2.0 rating for a show as a bomb....
If GSN could get a 2.0 rating for that same show, it would be considered a success.
/One of them glass half-full, half empty theories, 'cept their glasses were filled with some sort of potent potable.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'153826\' date=\'May 30 2007, 06:47 PM\']
ABC looks at a 2.0 rating for a show as a bomb....
If GSN could get a 2.0 rating for that same show, it would be considered a success.
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Except, ABC is one of the Big 3. Most people have to subscribe to digital or satellite to get GSN. A 2.0 is minimal for The CW or MyNetworkTV, and those are broadcast nets, at least the former is.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'153826\' date=\'May 30 2007, 05:47 PM\']
ABC looks at a 2.0 rating for a show as a bomb....
If GSN could get a 2.0 rating for that same show, it would be considered a success.
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Except I don't think GSN has ever gotten CLOSE to a 2.0 rating for anything. IIRC, the Big Bucks special got a 1.1 the first time it aired, and it was the highest rating any show had gotten.