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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: davemackey on September 11, 2006, 04:02:28 AM
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As many had suspected, the Password that GSN aired last night was from the early 70's run with guests Jack Klugman and Brett Somers.
Now, I know there were bugs and credit squeezes, but please let's be thankful that GSN gave us this rare gift.
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If anyone has that on tape (OR DVD) email me!
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'130998\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 03:02 AM\']
As many had suspected, the Password that GSN aired last night was from the early 70's run with guests Jack Klugman and Brett Somers.
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Yep, very thrilled to see this. This is how I first saw Password, on ABC with the orange set and the keyboard theme heard on the first Game Show Themes CD. I never thought I would see one of these again and now I have one on DVD to treasure.
This appears to be one of the very earliest ABC shows, as Allen says, after reading the Funk and Wagnalls plug, that he's not used to reading that spiel yet. (Later in the series it would switch to Merriam Webster, if I'm recalling right, and he would end it by saying "Where the words live.")
Wow, Jack Klugman was a pretty sharp Password player. At the time of this show, Brett was apparently still mostly known as Mrs. Klugman and, disappointingly, is on her best behavior.
You may notice something about the soundtrack, having a slightly distorted, hollow sound to it. That's both a nostalgic treat and a clue as to where this tape came from. It's how network shows sounded in the pre-satellite days when they came down on long distance phone lines. So this apparently is an air check or line check quite possibly from an ABC affiliate. Had GSN not squeezed the credits you very likely would've heard the ABC announcer plug, say, Bewitched, The Mod Squad, Marcus Welby M.D. or any other number of fine period ABC programs.
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Sadly, I missed the intro [my tape lacks the first 3 min.] but I thought it was interesting. Not much change to the game-the [IIRC] doubler word after the lightning round was all I noticed. Otherwise, it was cool seeing the orange set, and hearing the synth theme. To be honest, though, I was hoping to see a post-"All Stars" era ep, but this one was indeed a treat.
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As Jamie said in another thread (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11392&st=14#\"), this episode's from October of '73. Even given the time they've been on at that point, it seems like the wacky new directing hadn't yet been perfected. I was trying to look up Steve Beverly's extensive tribute to "Password" because I think it had a blurb about them changing dictionaries or whatever partway through the run, accounting for Allen's uncomfort with a new plug. I even want to say they had Reason A. Goodwin back with them at the beginning.
-Jason
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I thought it was from 1973 (specifically 10/23/73). Who knew Prince was still a regional brand in 1973?
--Mike
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I sincerely enjoyed this episode. Being one of the board young'ins, I was, oh, 10-15 years shy of getting to see this version in original broadcast, and with the tape status of the series being the way it is, the only episode I'd ever gotten to see was the finale, via trading, several years ago. Until last night, I'd never seen an orange-set episode.
Wow. (Good wow.) True shame this version is by and large no longer with us, as I genuinely enjoyed last night's episode, and would love to see this run.
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And a treat it was! (The episode, not the Prince spaghetti.)
Didn't they make a rule at some point against, uh, gesturing? Jack. Dude. This isn't Showoffs.
The thing I noticed most was how damn short those games were. Yeah, get a bunch of tough words and a couple of well-matched players and it might take 9 rounds (and 30 clues) to win, but that seems a pretty unlikely possibility. Your fifteen minutes of game-show fame might really only be three or four. I adore Password and I'll take any chance to see it I can get, but, wow, this aspect is one where I think I prefer Plus and Super.
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Disclaimer : this is the first time i've seen this version of PW in 30 years. And I was 3 back then.
I always thought the player won $250 for the game, and then new money was bet in the lightning round? The third player won $250 in the bonus, then lost $150 in the betting word, for a champions grand total of $100.
Not very fair, I think....but that's just me. Seems like the ABC-budget was a lot less than the CBS years...
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Wow...seeing Jack and Brett was indeed a treat worth firing up the VCR for (yes, I still record with one). It's almost amusing to see how little Password had changed in its 4-year hiatus - except for the doubling word and a new set and music, everything else was the same right down to the font used for the words.
My only real nit with GSN's presentation is that maybe, just maybe, they should have flopped the order of the shows. It was nice to go back to 1967, but after something so rare as an ABC episode it was kind of a letdown. I'd have rather they built up to the real surprise. But still and all, good show.
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Yep, very thrilled to see this. This is how I first saw Password, on ABC with the orange set and the keyboard theme heard on the first Game Show Themes CD. I never thought I would see one of these again and now I have one on DVD to treasure.
Same here. I grew up watching this version at lunchtime, and had no idea there was a previous CBS version! This was how I remember first seeing it.
(Disclaimer: I haven't seen it yet - since I don't have GSN, I have to wait for the trade tape I arranged to arrive in a week or so!)
You may notice something about the soundtrack, having a slightly distorted, hollow sound to it. That's both a nostalgic treat and a clue as to where this tape came from. It's how network shows sounded in the pre-satellite days when they came down on long distance phone lines. So this apparently is an air check or line check quite possibly from an ABC affiliate. Had GSN not squeezed the credits you very likely would've heard the ABC announcer plug, say, Bewitched, The Mod Squad, Marcus Welby M.D. or any other number of fine period ABC programs.
$20,000 Pyramid must have been fed the same way. Some of the episodes GSN ran had a "muddy" look to them.
Hearing the announcers plug upcoming shows is one thing I get a kick out of. It was neat when GSN was running the CBS Joker's Wild a few years ago - occasionally there'd be a "stay tuned for The New Price is Right; or $10,000 Pyramid" plug slip through.
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Since I won't be able to see this episode for a few days, one question: were the rules the same as the CBS version in that if you lost you got another chance with the other celebrity, or once you lost one game were you out?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'131015\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 07:53 AM\']
Since I won't be able to see this episode for a few days, one question: were the rules the same as the CBS version in that if you lost you got another chance with the other celebrity, or once you lost one game were you out?
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You lose you're out.
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That episode of Password with Brett and Jack was great! It was cool to see a rare ABC Password. Who knows?. Maybe there's more ABC episodes out there, but they were taped over for other shows mainly Family Feud.
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And as luck would have it, I forgot to set my VCR. :-( AGTOD?
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'131036\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 10:47 AM\']
And as luck would have it, I forgot to set my VCR. :-( AGTOD?
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Sure did- contact me offboard if interested.
Kris
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I'd be willing to start a torrent seed for this if anyone can point me to a place that would be willing to host the seed info.
--Mike
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I really enjoyed the episode, too bad I miss the first minute or two of the show. I hit the wrong button and not the record button. As I watched it, it was different than the CBS version. I thought that was cool, yeah I hope to see something from the later years, but I'll take this without question.
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Veering slightly: I always thought the Pyramid shows looked like they did because of ABC's lesser-quality gear. Audio seemed OK for the shows I remember, but the video was terrible.
Chuck: I can get you a copy too if you want to deal really locally and get a dub from Super VHS.
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I tried to stay awake, but fell asleep halfway through--not because it was boring ;-).
For the half I saw, excellent. Great seeing this rare gem, and I like how Jack and Brett entered the stage. It would be great seeing this show revived, even with the old-school rules, maybe for a little more money. (sigh)
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Was it just the sleep talking, or did they only go down to 5 points for a word (as in 6 clues)? And in case that was a rule, did it last into All-Stars and '75?
I still enjoyed getting up at 3:00 AM on a school day just to watch Password though. :)
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Yes on both counts - always how I played at home even before seeing/hearing about the ABC version, too.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'opimus\' post=\'131022\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 08:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'131015\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 07:53 AM\']
Since I won't be able to see this episode for a few days, one question: were the rules the same as the CBS version in that if you lost you got another chance with the other celebrity, or once you lost one game were you out?
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You lose you're out.
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Although in the episodes before it became "All-Stars" it did take two games to win a match and play the lightning round. I do believe that during those shows you did change stars.
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Naturally, this was the first time I had seen an episode of the ABC "Password" since its original airing. Yes, I am old enough to have seen the original "Password" - and I did. I would definitely watch the 70's "Password" when on summer vacations and did like that there was enough of the original to keep me interested, and the new wrinkles like "pass or play" and "the betting word" to keep me excited.
John Harlan, who was the announcer throughout the ABC run, had a slightly different approach to reading the password than did Jack Clark, Lee Vines or any of the others who did the CBS show... he would more likely than not drop the word "is". "The password... caterpillar." And his inflections would sort of match the type of word it was... the sort of styling Harlan had given the similar reveals of the clue names on "You Don't Say!"
And it was also fun to contrast the directorial styles of Mike Gargiulo and Stu Phelps, who helmed the ABC "Password." Phelps loved zoom-ins, apparently, and there were quite a few to add to the drama of the game.
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[quote name=\'mystery7\' post=\'131064\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 12:19 PM\']
Veering slightly: I always thought the Pyramid shows looked like they did because of ABC's lesser-quality gear. Audio seemed OK for the shows I remember, but the video was terrible.
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To me it looks like an an issue with the videotape itself. Either it's a dub and it suffered some kind of generational loss, or they used some heavily recycled tape that had been used to record everything from Treasure Isle to Password and was on its last leg.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'131050\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:54 AM\']I'd be willing to start a torrent seed for this if anyone can point me to a place that would be willing to host the seed info.[/quote]
Demonoid (http://\"http://www.demonoid.com\")?
I'm trying to convert it to a WMV as we speak but my TV card and audio are out of synch. Hopefully I can get this fixed by the end of the night.
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there's some audio clips of another password show form this era at: http://www.bewitched.net/sounds.htm (http://\"http://www.bewitched.net/sounds.htm\")
you'll notice the lightning round is played for $100 a word so this would be after the 2 games to win rule went into effect.
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Some thoughts:
First off, I might be jaded because I ABHOR vanilla Password on TV. That scoring system is just silly. The orange set didn't help. Which brings me to:
Did that set REALLY need to be anywhere NEAR that big? Talk about overdoing it for a game where people didn't stray from the single desk. The All-Stars / '75 set at least uses the extra space for something.
I was certainly glad to see it for curiosity's sake (and glad that they ran it, for sure! If they do go to this Game 'O' The Week thing I'll set a permanent Tivo slot), but at the same time I could go the rest of my life without seeing another one.
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Did you notice the man walking on the opposite side of the stage as Allen was being introduced?
The set did seem quite big for what they were doing with it. Maybe they were hiding American Bandstand behind it? :)
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Finally just watched the tape a few hours ago, and I like what I saw. It's a shame the other epsiodes that survived are really only available via trading/giving up your left arm...
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[quote name=\'NewJersey137\' post=\'131084\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:52 AM\']Was it just the sleep talking, or did they only go down to 5 points for a word (as in 6 clues)? And in case that was a rule, did it last into All-Stars and '75?[/quote]
Yes on both counts...
I imagine the idea was to speed up the game, rather than take an extra minute or two wrestling with clues for four points or less. When All-Stars came about, several other changes were made:
- The goal in the main game was 50 points, and the team kept any points over 50. (ex. Team has 46, gets an eight-point word, final score 54, not 50.) The points for both teams were divided between each celeb, and added to their aggregate scores for the week.
- In order to avoid half-points in the weekly standings, passwords were played for ten, eight, six, and four points, with one exeception...
- The team in control could opt to play for double (20 points) if the clue-giver thought he / she could get it on the first try. A miss at 20 points gave the opposition one chance for (I think) ten points, then the word was thrown out at that point.
Esoteric Eric... I still enjoyed getting up at 3:00 AM on a school day just to watch Password though. :)
Better than here in Seattle, where I had to stay up after midnight, then get up at 5 AM...
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'131138\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 07:37 PM\']
Did you notice the man walking on the opposite side of the stage as Allen was being introduced?
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He was there to close the door that Jack Klugman entered through.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'131132\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 08:20 PM\']Did that set REALLY need to be anywhere NEAR that big? Talk about overdoing it for a game where people didn't stray from the single desk. [/quote]
You think the SET was big! The is the version that won the first Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Game Show in 1973, and celebrated by puting up a giNORmous cardboard cut-out of the trophy across the entire back wall!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131199\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:36 PM\']
[You think the SET was big! The is the version that won the first Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Game Show in 1973, and celebrated by puting up a giNORmous cardboard cut-out of the trophy across the entire back wall!
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This version won a Daytime Emmy? You'd think the producers would have submitted a copy of at least one episode to the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, and that the Academy would still have it.
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It's quite possible the Academy has something. In fact many of the extended clips of the Tonight Show from the 1960s that exist in original color quality are ones that had been submitted to the Emmy Awards committee.
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I'm putting this in both relevant threads.
I've been told from someone inside GSN that the episode we saw actually came from 1971 and that it was a dub of the 2" air master.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131219\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:31 PM\']
I'm putting this in both relevant threads.
I've been told from someone inside GSN that the episode we saw actually came from 1971 and that it was a dub of the 2" air master.
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http://www.geocities.com/ABCPass_CelebArchives/1971.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/ABCPass_CelebArchives/1971.html\") does list a week of shows with Jack and Brett from 1971 so it's entirely possible. Plus that would explain why they weren't playing best 2 out of 3 which I thought they had by fall 73.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131199\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'131132\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 08:20 PM\']Did that set REALLY need to be anywhere NEAR that big? Talk about overdoing it for a game where people didn't stray from the single desk. [/quote]
You think the SET was big! The is the version that won the first Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Game Show in 1973, and celebrated by puting up a giNORmous cardboard cut-out of the trophy across the entire back wall!
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Oh, my, yes, I remember that huge, ugly thing. Did it last the whole season, do you recall, or was it just, like holiday decorations, for a short while?
As for the supersized set: was this the first version of Password originating on the West Coast, where everything could (and therefore had to be) bigger?
A word of happiness about the Carol Burnett-Alan King episode that followed this one on Sunday: how lovely it was to see a shot of the studio audience, all well-dressed and sitting in a theatre like it was an occasion.
Which it was.
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I'm hoping this works. If it doesn't, I can't do anything about it until 10 PM ET...
Torrent for the Episode (http://\"http://dht://F045DA094AA0668F4C2BB0434D214CEE3F98D570.dht/announce\")
It's apparently now mislabeled, so deal.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'131241\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 07:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131199\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:36 PM\']
You think the SET was big! The is the version that won the first Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Game Show in 1973, and celebrated by puting up a giNORmous cardboard cut-out of the trophy across the entire back wall!
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Oh, my, yes, I remember that huge, ugly thing. Did it last the whole season, do you recall, or was it just, like holiday decorations, for a short while?[/quote]
I seem to recall it being taken down after a short while, perhaps about the time of some tournament.
My big regret about this ep was that it wasn't as much fun as many of the others I saw in that format back in the day. It's almost physically painful to think we'll probably never again see those ABC weeks in which Carol Burnett and Elizabeth Montgomery appeared together, those ladies were hysterical together.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'131251\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 09:05 AM\']
My big regret about this ep was that it wasn't as much fun as many of the others I saw in that format back in the day. It's almost physically painful to think we'll probably never again see those ABC weeks in which Carol Burnett and Elizabeth Montgomery appeared together, those ladies were hysterical together.
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I remember! Well, I remember one thing: Montgomery responding to a contestant's clue by saying "ass" (as in "donkey") and Burnett chortling, "Well, you said 'hell' before!" - which Montgomery did.
It's a shame ABC had abandoned its policy of routinely kinescoping its 'electronic' shows (e.g., soap operas and game shows) by the 1970s - that way, we'd still have some record of a bunch of shows that are now forever gone.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'131251\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 09:05 AM\']It's almost physically painful to think we'll probably never again see those ABC weeks in which Carol Burnett and Elizabeth Montgomery appeared together, those ladies were hysterical together.[/quote]
Plus it was the ABC version that established Elizabeth Montgomery's reputation for being one of the best celebrity players in the show's history. (There's a reason they led with her when Password Plus premiered.) I'd kill (or maybe just maim) to see the week where Allen Ludden played against Elizabeth Montgomery. I seem to recall they even brought back past winners to be the contestants.
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There's a reason they led with her when Password Plus premiered.
Well it certainly wasn't because of Robert Foxworth.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131261\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 07:30 AM\']
Plus it was the ABC version that established Elizabeth Montgomery's reputation for being one of the best celebrity players in the show's history. (There's a reason they led with her when Password Plus premiered.) I'd kill (or maybe just maim) to see the week where Allen Ludden played against Elizabeth Montgomery. I seem to recall they even brought back past winners to be the contestants.
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Yeah, but "past-winner" or not, if it were me, I know which partner I'd rather have-- and it's not the silver-haired guy with the glasses. :^)
Especially in a "one-loss and you leave" format-- there's no room for error!
-Kevin
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Was this week of Password Brett's first game show appearance ever, or had she appeared here or elsewhere before?
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'131357\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 08:37 AM\']
Was this week of Password Brett's first game show appearance ever, or had she appeared here or elsewhere before?
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According to old TVG listings (which may or may not be accurate), Brett appeared on "He Said, She Said," with husband. That week of shows was aired in New York on WPIX in December of 1969.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'131365\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 09:28 AM\'][quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'131357\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 08:37 AM\']Was this week of Password Brett's first game show appearance ever, or had she appeared here or elsewhere before?[/quote]According to old TVG listings (which may or may not be accurate), Brett appeared on "He Said, She Said," with husband. That week of shows was aired in New York on WPIX in December of 1969.[/quote]
That's confirmed by vintage newspaper stories. In a November, 1970 profile of Klugman by Earl Wilson, there's a story about how she took his fee and hers for appearing on HS/SS. "Listen," she said, "if you weren't married you couldn't do this show."
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'131365\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 08:28 AM\']
According to old TVG listings (which may or may not be accurate), Brett appeared on "He Said, She Said," with husband. That week of shows was aired in New York on WPIX in December of 1969.
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My experience is that the TV Guide listings did tend to be a little more accurate for syndication than network programming, since there was apparently adequate lead time from taping to air. Still an occasional mistake here and there but not near as many as I've encountered on listing network daytime shows.
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When Joe Garagiola appeared on Match Game for a week in 1978, Brett recalled doing "He Said, She Said" and gave the impression she and Jack did it more than once.
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'131392\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 02:11 PM\']
When Joe Garagiola appeared on Match Game for a week in 1978, Brett recalled doing "He Said, She Said" and gave the impression she and Jack did it more than once.
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In fact, it seems to me that only Stiller & Meara did "HSSS" more than the Klugmans.
And when you factor in that Ira Skutch co-produced "HSSS," you have the feeling that Brett was remembered when "MG '73" came along.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'131408\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 04:59 PM\']
And when you factor in that Ira Skutch co-produced "HSSS," you have the feeling that Brett was remembered when "MG '73" came along.
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I'd always thought the deal there was that they wanted Jack for the premiere week, and he agreed on the condition that they would bring Brett on later.
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Something Ira confirmed in his interview with the Academy...of whatever. You can Google it.
-Jason
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I'd always thought the deal there was that they wanted Jack for the premiere week, and he agreed on the condition that they would bring Brett on later.
I think that's true, but I also heard they wanted Jack to be a regular, but he either didn't want to do it or didn't think he'd be good at it.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'131488\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 08:04 AM\']
I think that's true, but I also heard they wanted Jack to be a regular, but he either didn't want to do it or didn't think he'd be good at it.
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Any chance it might be because ABC didn't want him appearing as a regular on another network's show while he was still doing The Odd Couple?
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'131491\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 09:17 AM\']
Any chance it might be because ABC didn't want him appearing as a regular on another network's show while he was still doing The Odd Couple?
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Paul Lynde had two ABC sitcoms during his HS run. They didn't make that much of a deal about cross-network stuff as they do now.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'131498\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 10:48 AM\']
Paul Lynde had two ABC sitcoms during his HS run. They didn't make that much of a deal about cross-network stuff as they do now.
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...could be because Lynde was already established on Squares and ABC really wanted him. The Klugman/Match Game '73 scenario was the reverse of that.
Edit: we could also be talking about different issues with different contracts.
Or, it could have nothing to do with any of this. (But I do think it was at least one factor.)
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I finally got a chance to see the episode today and I found it to be an enjoyable way of seeing a transition episode between the CBS format and the later ABC years. This filled a great void in game show history for the collectors!
The one thing about the format I didn't like was the one loss and out aspect. Though seeing that finally explained why they did it that way plot wise in the "Odd Couple" episode.
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'131813\' date=\'Sep 16 2006, 11:17 PM\']
I finally got a chance to see the episode today and I found it to be an enjoyable way of seeing a transition episode between the CBS format and the later ABC years. This filled a great void in game show history for the collectors!
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I'm quite happy to have this one too. For 30 minutes I was once again eight years old, home from school sick and sipping Lipton's soup and watching the show.
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'131004\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 06:11 AM\']
Sadly, I missed the intro [my tape lacks the first 3 min.] but I thought it was interesting. Not much change to the game-the [IIRC] doubler word after the lightning round was all I noticed.
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I didn't see the episode in question, but the only differences I remember from the early years of the ABC episodes from the CBS ones, besides the betting word, was (a) ABC started "play or pass", and (b) on ABC, words were thrown out after they got past five points.
(Or did they not have play/pass and/or they played down to one point in the earliest ABC days?)
Later, they changed it to 2 out of 3 and made the lightning round $100/word, but I didn't see very many of those episodes (that's what happens when the episodes air at 12:30 Pacific during your elementary school years), so I'm not very sure of the specifics.
-- Don
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(Or did they not have play/pass and/or they played down to one point in the earliest ABC days?)
I haven't seen it - yet - but here's another difference I've noticed. From online pix I've seen, the earliest ABC episodes still had the same kind of scoreboard that the CBS version had, but in this episode they have the "eggcrate" readouts. It was around that time that the eggcrates started to become standard for game shows. I guess they made the switch pretty early in the run.
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For the record, you can download it at the videos section of classicgameshows.com right here (http://\"http://www.classicgameshows.com/video/index.html\").
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I just got around to watching it today. I was ready to put it on DVD when, to my disapointment, the engineers at Cox in Omaha interrupted one game in progress for a local self-promotion instead of putting it on during an actual GSN commercial break! (came back when they were trying to guess "gurgle" or "gargle").
It's good that the whole show is up at Page O' Clips, but now I'm going to have to depend on another source for a copy of the whole show show without the Cox boo-boo.