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I tried to see if someone had already posted this, but I didn't see anything. If this has already been posted in some other form, my apologies.
According to Mark Evanier's site, the 3am run of BTC (now currently brought to you by Daisy) is coming to an end in an estimated 5 or so more weeks. When that's through in April or so, IGAS will fill the slot, a welcome return, IMO. As expected, GSN will skip over the Cavalier/Winston shows, but at the very least it's better than nothing.
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Marvelous news, your highness. Especially if they start at the beginning and run whatever they're going to run in chronological order, which seems to be the B&WO model. A wonderful opportunity to get an organized collection of Classic Bill.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 19 2006, 11:17 PM\']Marvelous news, your highness. Especially if they start at the beginning and run whatever they're going to run in chronological order, which seems to be the B&WO model. A wonderful opportunity to get an organized collection of Classic Bill.
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There is going to be a huge gap between 1953 or 1954 - when Arrid dropped sponsorship - to 1961, when Hertz took over as program sponsor. The later shows that had one-off sponsor mentions from cigarette companies may air since their billboards have already been stripped out and there's no on-set mention of the brand.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Feb 20 2006, 11:06 AM\']There is going to be a huge gap between 1953 or 1954 - when Arrid dropped sponsorship - to 1961, when Hertz took over as program sponsor. The later shows that had one-off sponsor mentions from cigarette companies may air since their billboards have already been stripped out and there's no on-set mention of the brand.[/quote]
I'm OK with that. We've been blessed with a handful of the cigarette shows over the years, and that's fine with me. But given that my IGAS episodes are scattered among dozens of VHS tapes, this sure beats a lot of tedious transferring that I was probably never going to get around to doing.
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Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to if GSN will get to the end of the BTC run before IGaS comes back? I kind of got hooked with that eternal $64,000 bonus stunt, which was knocked off last night.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Feb 20 2006, 04:08 PM\']Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to if GSN will get to the end of the BTC run before IGaS comes back? I kind of got hooked with that eternal $64,000 bonus stunt, which was knocked off last night.
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Thank heavens it was knocked off that night. Can you imagine the potential cries of foul if that money went unawarded?
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Feb 20 2006, 02:08 PM\']Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to if GSN will get to the end of the BTC run before IGaS comes back? I kind of got hooked with that eternal $64,000 bonus stunt, which was knocked off last night.
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Speaking of which, does anyone have a vidcap of the dramatic 30 seconds I could download?
I've been tivo-ing every episode for weeks now to see this, and last night the bloody ir blaster screwed up the channel change.
Is it really only a handful of cigarette episodes we've seen? I swear I watched them hand out the cigs pretty much continuously last time they showed these. Didn't seem like they were rare.
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As far as I can remember, over the past few years GSN has aired what I would estimate to be most, maybe practically all, of the Cavalier/Winston episodes in the ovenight block. Back when I was cataloging my tapes, I seem to recall seeing dozens, if not hundreds of these shows. I wouldn't consider them rare (check out Tammy's IGAS page, which has plenty of the mid to late 50s cig-era shows), just that we didn't know these weren't likely to be reaired again when we recorded them. In short, I'd call them available and tradeable.
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Yeah, that was my memory. I'm not a tape trader, so I didn't have any means of checking or counting.
Is there a better place/way to ask about getting the vidcap of the bonus win? I made the mistake of getting the wife interested, and now she's mad as hell I can't finish the deal. :)
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[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Feb 21 2006, 03:55 PM\']I made the mistake of getting the wife interested, and now she's mad as hell I can't finish the deal. :)
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I've had dates like that. Yet another reason why I quit drinking.
Is the daytime Super Bonus win from the stunt that lasted many many months in the GSN package, I wonder? I know it's one of the few episodes--if not the only show--from the ABC daytime run that wasn't erased.
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Is the daytime Super Bonus win from the stunt that lasted many many months in the GSN package, I wonder? I know it's one of the few episode--if not the only show--from the ABC daytime run that wasn't erased.
I always wonder about stuff like that too. There are certain episodes traders have (many of which came from studio master tapes), which GSN should have, which they likely don't as they've never aired.
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Zap2it indicates that GSN will start airing IGaS during B&W Overnight on April 4 (or late night on April 3, depending on how you look at it). It also indicates that we may be getting some rarities at 3 am during the weekend before, as neither Beat the Clock, IGaS, nor any of the shows airing this Sunday are listed in those slots.
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Bad news for those of us looking forward to the ancient IGAS episodes. I've learned that, as always, the shows will run chronological (barring "tribute" interruptions), but they're going to begin in 1959, after the cigarette shows and after the panel lineup had stabilized at Cullen-Palmer-Morgan-Myerson.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Mar 5 2006, 11:49 AM\']Bad news for those of us looking forward to the ancient IGAS episodes. I've learned that, as always, the shows will run chronological (barring "tribute" interruptions), but they're going to begin in 1959, after the cigarette shows and after the panel lineup had stabilized at Cullen-Palmer-Morgan-Myerson.
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That's too bad..Still some of the best shows were during/after this period anyway..
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[quote name=\'Queen of Nerdocrombesia\' date=\'Feb 20 2006, 06:55 PM\']As far as I can remember, over the past few years GSN has aired what I would estimate to be most, maybe practically all, of the Cavalier/Winston episodes in the ovenight block.[/quote]Right. I recorded and watched most of the BWO blocks from the time they started in (I think) the fall of 2001, and several years' worth of IGAS Winston shows were aired, with very few gaps.
I confess that I don't understand what the problem is. Does someone really contend that it's "illegal" to show these because of the on-screen Winston logo? They've been shown many times since GSN launched in December 1994. For the first few years they didn't even excise the "sponsored by" announcements at the beginnings of cigarette-sponsored shows.
The owners of this intellectual property shouldn't be so easily intimidated.
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[quote name=\'rrg\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 07:17 AM\']I confess that I don't understand what the problem is. Does someone really contend that it's "illegal" to show these because of the on-screen Winston logo? They've been shown many times since GSN launched in December 1994. For the first few years they didn't even excise the "sponsored by" announcements at the beginnings of cigarette-sponsored shows.
The owners of this intellectual property shouldn't be so easily intimidated.
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I don't think they contend that it's illegal, so much as poor form to air a show that prominently plugs a sponsor who is at least partially responsible for the death of thousands of people.
And I don't have a problem with that at all. I can't say I enjoyed watching Herb Shriner tell people how sure he was that they were going to enjoy smoking their cartons of Old Gold, either.
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Can't say I agree.
Tobacco advertising will always be part of America's pop culture history. Given what people know now; compared to 50 years ago...I see no harm in it.
Given all the "anti-drug" programs that are in effect these days in schools, if you light up...you're a moron.
Of course, I never thought tobacco companies should have been kept out of sports, either.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 10:32 AM\']Can't say I agree.
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Can't say that surprises me.
Tobacco advertising will always be part of America's pop culture history. Given what people know now; compared to 50 years ago...I see no harm in it.
Wow. You truly don't think there's a benefit from keeping tobacco advertising away from small impressionable children?
(Granted, at 2:00 in the morning? Maybe not as big of a deal. But personally, I like the idea of GSN showing some social responsibility.)
Of course, I never thought tobacco companies should have been kept out of sports, either.
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Do you think the NASCAR championship should have remained the Winston Cup? Before you answer that, remember that the races air on weekend mornings in the lot of the country...when little kids are watching TV.
(And yeah, I'd ban the beer ads too.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 01:39 PM\']Wow. You truly don't think there's a benefit from keeping tobacco advertising away from small impressionable children? [/quote]
Show me something that proves "small impressionable children" that are watching these programs, and I might concede the point. I think there'd be a benefit from taking some of the smut off television that there is now. But you don't see many people arguing that point. Why tobacco companies are always the target of ire, I'll never understand.
I highly doubt there's many that do.
Do you think the NASCAR championship should have remained the Winston Cup? Before you answer that, remember that the races air on weekend mornings in the lot of the country...when little kids are watching TV.
Considering Winston left voluntarily, I guess I don't have much of a say in that. I do believe that companies such as Kodiak and Skoal should have been allowed to stay--not only in auto racing, but in other sports as well.
I guess I don't see the harm in a car that says "WINSTON" on it, or a rodeo banner promoting Copenhagen.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 11:07 AM\']I do believe that companies such as Kodiak and Skoal should have been allowed to stay--not only in auto racing, but in other sports as well.
I guess I don't see the harm in a car that says "WINSTON" on it, or a rodeo banner promoting Copenhagen.
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Then I have but to say: wow.
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Back to the standard response, I see.
I guess I'll ask you to show me the studies and/or evidence, then, that shows that advertising on a stock car directly contributed to not only a person picking up the habit, but ended up dying of a smoking related cause as well.
First amendment rights.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 01:39 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 10:32 AM\']Can't say I agree.
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Can't say that surprises me.
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Ad hominem, Chris. Mark may usually be a tad grumpy, but in this instance, that wasn't fair. Has a pretty good argument, IMO.
[quote name=\'clemon79\']Wow. You truly don't think there's a benefit from keeping tobacco advertising away from small impressionable children?
(Granted, at 2:00 in the morning? Maybe not as big of a deal. But personally, I like the idea of GSN showing some social responsibility.)
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I'm sure you may feel the same way about alcohol, which can be addictive since if used often enough it kills. I don't smoke (can't stand the crap), but I'm not particularly in favor of banning TV cigarette ads, and I'm certainly not in favor of the Game Show Network banning these shows. No one has a right to determine what's responsible for me (for things that are legal)--this is irrespective to these shows being aired at 2AM.
Do you think the NASCAR championship should have remained the Winston Cup? Before you answer that, remember that the races air on weekend mornings in the lot of the country...when little kids are watching TV.
I don't like NASCAR, but in my opinion, yes it should have. As parents, you should teach your children about the dangers of smoking. I wasn't raised by TV when I grew up, and no child should be either.
(And yeah, I'd ban the beer ads too.)
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Ah, thought so. I understand your opinion, but I completely disagree.
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Getting back to GSN for a moment....
My impression has been that recently, their attitude has been that there's not much of a need to even make the cigarette shows an issue. With hundreds of episodes from which to select, it's a small matter of just not airing the ones that have the potential, however small, to create a problem.
At one point in the network history, you could make a compelling argument that the modern audience would benefit from seeing shows that had been locked away for so many decades. Long-time fans will remember that they actually made quite a big deal about airing the "lost" cigarette episodes originally. Now that these shows run at 3am, I think the attitude of "Why bother?" gives them one less thing, however small, to worry about.
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You're probably right, though it's distressing to contemplate. I love these old shows and I hate the idea that they're locked away because of petty-mindedness.
It's great living here in the future, even without a flying car, but I want a future in which all this content is available to me in some form (for which I'm very willing to pay).
I did enjoy that slice of the past right after GSN launched (Dec. 1994) when they treated the old G-T B&W shows like the jewels that they are, showing them in prime time every weekday and frequently at other times.
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A DVD release is my thought with episodes selected and liner notes by Matt Ottinger (what a great gig that would be.) As far as GSN, I understand their position. There really shouldn't have any kind of cig. promotion on the airwaves. I would have thought a digital obscuring of the logos would be possible, but I share the feeling that they just don't want to go to the trouble. The show was a well-oiled machine in the late 50's-early '60's and that's where they want to start.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 04:32 PM\']A DVD release is my thought with episodes selected and liner notes by Matt Ottinger (what a great gig that would be.) [/quote]
Works for me!
Still, I've never been a fan of "selected" TV DVD collections. Gimme an entire season or forget it. Of course, if you're letting me pick 'em, I start with the one where Don Ameche played the IGAS home game, and another guest was Clyde Tombaugh, who had discovered Pluto. Bonus points for a Winston commercial featuring Art Fleming, though presumably he's in several episodes. (I DO get to leave the original commercials intact, don't I?)
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Mar 15 2006, 04:32 PM\']The show was a well-oiled machine in the late 50's-early '60's and that's where they want to start.[/quote]
That's another great -- or at least understandable -- reason for their choice. There is definitely a more "modern" feel to the Cullen-Palmer-Morgan-Myerson shows than to the pre-1959 shows, cigarettes or not.
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With DVD you can leave the original commercials in, smoking or not. Remember when GSN would have an MCR problem during WML? and you'd accidentally see Dennis James at 15x normal speed? The commercials exist on the kinescopes, keep em on the DVD. You could always set chapter stops at the beginning of each segment for those who want to cut to the chase.
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There is definitely a more "modern" feel to the Cullen-Palmer-Morgan-Myerson shows than to the pre-1959 shows, cigarettes or not.
I guess. My antiquarian tastes lead me to prefer the older material regardless. It's fascinating on a deeper level.
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There is definitely a more "modern" feel to the Cullen-Palmer-Morgan-Myerson shows than to the pre-1959 shows, cigarettes or not.
I guess. My antiquarian tastes lead me to prefer the older material regardless. It's fascinating on a deeper level.[/quote]
Go up a level or two on this very thread and you'll see that I expressed my personal disappointment that they weren't starting from the beginning, or at least as close to the beginning as they have. Despite my personal preference, I'm just saying I understand where they're coming from.
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I understand.
I just wish there were some way that it could be profitable for them to make the older material available.
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[quote name=\'FeudDude\' date=\'Mar 2 2006, 11:58 PM\']Zap2it indicates that GSN will start airing IGaS during B&W Overnight on April 4 (or late night on April 3, depending on how you look at it). It also indicates that we may be getting some rarities at 3 am during the weekend before, as neither Beat the Clock, IGaS, nor any of the shows airing this Sunday are listed in those slots.
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Looking at the Zap2It sched now, I can see that we'll be getting 2 days of Choose Up Sides in the 3a slot for late Saturday/early Sunday and late Sunday/early Monday. WML, as per usual, remains at 3:30a as scheduled.
And don't forget, folks, Daylight Saving Time begins at 2a on April 2. Adjust clocks/timers where applicable.
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For the record: the first show that aired last evening was from 1959, which was the beginning of Bufferin's alternate sponsorship with Winston Cancer Sticks. But it's kind of neat that GSN is bringing back the old IGAS on the verge of the new version.
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Well, now GSN's done it. They replaced the classic B&W 'IGAS' with an encore of the new 'IGAS' followed by perennial B&W Overnight resident 'WML?. If this is another week-long promotion (like when 'Tattletales' came back in B&W Overnight during the 'American Dream Derby' premiere week) I'll let it slide, even though it was sneaky of GSN to just put the new shows at 3:00AM without a word to anybody. The GSN natives (myself included) in the 'Classics' board are beginning to raise holy hell already. But if B&W Overnight is over as we know it then I might as well dump GSN and forget about it and move on with my life. It's as if this network's management gets a kick out of teasing and making classic gameshow lovers suffer.
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The GSN natives (myself included) in the 'Classics' board are beginning to raise holy hell already.
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Why does this not surprise me?
But if B&W Overnight is over as we know it then I might as well dump GSN and forget about it and move on with my life.
I have a fin that says you won't do that.
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I have a fin that says you won't do that.
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You're right, who am I kidding? I'm as weak as Zach not trying to show off his bottomless knowledge of useless data.