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Regarding TPIR games like Magic #, Easy as 1-2-3, Barker's Markers, Most Expensive, etc...
What has been the smallest price spread you have seen between prizes in games where a contestant has to guess a medium-priced prize(s) between the lowest prize and the highest prize? What seems to be the average dollar spreads on such games?
For example, on "Magic #" the contestant usually has a few hundred dollars worth of breathing space between Prize A and Prize B to choose their "magic number". If the producers are getting close to going over their prize budget, they can narrow the winning range between prices to make it harder for the win. Conversely, they can set a game as an almost guaranteed win by having a spread of several thousand dollars between prizes.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Jan 25 2006, 07:18 PM\']For example, on "Magic #" the contestant usually has a few hundred dollars worth of breathing space between Prize A and Prize B to choose their "magic number".[/quote]
Every time I've seen it, it's been more like a thousand-plus dollars.
Most Expensive has had the two cheaper prizes be very close in price on a couple of occasions, which spoils the win reveal for those paying close attention--the close prices can't be part of the win, or you'd risk an ugly loss for no good reason.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Jan 25 2006, 07:18 PM\']For example, on "Magic #" the contestant usually has a few hundred dollars worth of breathing space between Prize A and Prize B to choose their "magic number".
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The closest the two prices have been is $773 apart occurring in season 33. The farthest they have been from each other is $1,800 occurring this season.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 25 2006, 10:14 PM\']Most Expensive has had the two cheaper prizes be very close in price on a couple of occasions, which spoils the win reveal for those paying close attention--the close prices can't be part of the win, or you'd risk an ugly loss for no good reason.
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Bob: ...Now if that sofa is more than $3000, you win all three prizes. And the price is... $2999. Sorry, but maybe you'll win something on the Big Wheel.
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I recall seeing a playing of Coming or Going recently in which the digit displayed was a 6. When toggled left, "coming", the price was something like $6485. When "going", toggled right, it would have read $5846, of course.
Given that it's common knowledge a prize is more likely to end in the digit 5, I still found this an incredibly small difference. These numbers are not the exact that were used that day, but there was still only a few hundred dollars difference in the choices.
1 Right Price has seen its share of close prices. ?Switch? has done well in spacing out the prices in nearly every playing I've seen.
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[quote name=\'CJBojangles\' date=\'Jan 26 2006, 11:17 PM\']Given that it's common knowledge a prize is more likely to end in the digit 5[/quote]
Oh, not this again.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 27 2006, 01:33 PM\'][quote name=\'CJBojangles\' date=\'Jan 26 2006, 11:17 PM\']Given that it's common knowledge a prize is more likely to end in the digit 5[/quote]
Oh, not this again.
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In his defense, when one of Coming or Going's prices ends in 5, it will be right the vast majority of the time.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 03:36 PM\']In his defense, when one of Coming or Going's prices ends in 5, it will be right the vast majority of the time.
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In Mark's defense, the only people who notice this are the ones who watch the show too much.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 06:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 03:36 PM\']In his defense, when one of Coming or Going's prices ends in 5, it will be right the vast majority of the time.
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In Mark's defense, the only people who notice this are the ones who watch the show too much.
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I don't believe I've ever claimed not to be one of those. ;-)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 06:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 03:36 PM\']In his defense, when one of Coming or Going's prices ends in 5, it will be right the vast majority of the time.
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In Mark's defense, the only people who notice this are the ones who watch the show too much.
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This is why one should watch the show and enjoy it for what it is. Not overanalyze every possibility/statistic for every game. Some of us just don't care.
Reminds me of the time I was waiting on line at Great Adventure. While waiting in the queue, someone was rambling off facts (how fast it goes, how tall it is, how many G forces it pulls) trying to be cool when in reality it made him look like an idiot.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 04:06 PM\']I don't believe I've ever claimed not to be one of those. ;-)
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I don't believe you have either, but then we go back to the standard TPIR fanatic cry of "It's common knowledge!!!111!!!ONEELEVEN" that you guys keep defending, when in fact it's not.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 08:48 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 04:06 PM\']I don't believe I've ever claimed not to be one of those. ;-)
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I don't believe you have either, but then we go back to the standard TPIR fanatic cry of "It's common knowledge!!!111!!!ONEELEVEN" that you guys keep defending, when in fact it's not.
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I don't believe I've ever claimed to be one of those, either.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 05:50 PM\']I don't believe I've ever claimed to be one of those, either.
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But that's EXACTLY what you are when you are defending CJ's statement.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 08:52 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 05:50 PM\']I don't believe I've ever claimed to be one of those, either.
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But that's EXACTLY what you are when you are defending CJ's statement.
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I completely disagree. I think it's way more reasonable to assume somebody will think, "gee, a lot of prices on this show seem to end in 5 and 0," than it is to assume somebody will think, "gee, having paint sealant and fabric protectant on cars seems to cause their prices to end in 2 or 7," since the first one basically involves watching the show a few times, whereas the second involves majorly overanalysing it.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jan 28 2006, 05:58 PM\']I completely disagree. I think it's way more reasonable to assume somebody will think, "gee, a lot of prices on this show seem to end in 5 and 0," than it is to assume somebody will think, "gee, having paint sealant and fabric protectant on cars seems to cause their prices to end in 2 or 7," since the first one basically involves watching the show a few times, whereas the second involves majorly overanalysing it.
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Well, there's our fundamental difference in opinion, then.
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I completely disagree. I think it's way more reasonable to assume somebody will think, "gee, a lot of prices on this show seem to end in 5 and 0," than it is to assume somebody will think, "gee, having paint sealant and fabric protectant on cars seems to cause their prices to end in 2 or 7," since the first one basically involves watching the show a few times, whereas the second involves majorly overanalysing it.
And by watching the show, it seems that a good portion of the audience has figured out the 5 or 0 rule. Never the chucklehead on stage, but most of the audience takes it as a rule that you go for the 5 or 0 first.
On the other hand, I've NEVER seen someone actively move to take advantage of the paint sealant/fabric protectant being mentioned in the prize copy. To expect Joe Plinko to know that is absurd.
Conversely to THAT, it seems that there's a contestant every week who says "I've been watching since I was 3... now how do you play Check Game again?" So you never know.
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I have to side with the people who say this isn't over-analyzing. Recognizing patterns in pricing is part of the game that the audience-brain knows, even if the individual contestants are sometimes idiots. Try ending a price in "6" when you're playing 10 Chances and tell me they don't.
Now, whether you want to call it "common knowledge" is argueable. Could we meet halfway and say that it's "basic game strategy"?
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' date=\'Jan 30 2006, 10:44 AM\']
Try ending a price in "6" when you're playing 10 Chances and tell me they don't.
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Ditto for the second prize in Safe Crackers, which has ended in zero for years(though in the early years of the CBS TPIR and on TNPIR94, the prices didn't always end in zero). It seems to me that contestants always end their guesses in zero on Safe Crackers, while not always on Ten Chances.
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I'll also agree that the "prices usually end in 5 or 0" rule is a basic strategy that most regular viewers should be familiar with...doesn't strike me as over-analysis at all.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")