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I was thinking about this today. If most people work during the day, how come all these talk and court shows do so well and not game shows?
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[quote name=\'GAME SHOW FAN 87\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 02:50 PM\']I was thinking about this today. If most people work during the day, how come all these talk and court shows do so well and not game shows?
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What in the blue hell does one have to do with the other?
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Talk and court shows air in the daytime. At least, I think that's what he means...
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[quote name=\'GAME SHOW FAN 87\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 05:50 PM\']I was thinking about this today. If most people work during the day, how come all these talk and court shows do so well and not game shows?
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Depends what you mean by 'talk shows' nowadays. About 10 years ago, trailer trash shows dominated the talk show market, while Rosie Oprah & Regis were about the only normal talk shows back then. Nowadays Maury, Jerry and Montel are pretty much the last of the trashers and now we have more of the do-gooders (Tyra & Dr. Phil) and the gabfests with the stars (Ellen, Tony Danza...)
Court shows have been the only constant in the syndicated daytime market in the past dozen or so years -- maybe the judges and show names have changed, but not the content.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 03:33 PM\']Talk and court shows air in the daytime. At least, I think that's what he means...
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Which still doesn't make a friggin' ounce of sense. All "people work during the day" means is that fewer people are watching TV during the day than do at night. Since ratings and shares and whatnot are a PERCENTAGE of the viewing audience, it's all relative anyhow.
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[quote name=\'GAME SHOW FAN 87\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 05:50 PM\']I was thinking about this today. If most people work during the day, how come all these talk and court shows do so well and not game shows?
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TV works in cycles. Every genre has an up and down period.
Game shows were:
-UP in the 70s
-DOWN in the early-80s
-UP for the mid-to-late-80s
-DOWN for the early-to-mid 90s
-Back UP for the late-90s to early-2000s
Now they've been down for a year or two. But they're slowly turning back up with D/ND being a hit, GSN starting to go back to traditional formats, and CBS' proposed Game Show Marathon. Hopefully some success with those ideas can lead to some more syndicated shows.
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For the 10,000th time: the networks have given weekday mornings back to the affiliates. You will never see Concentration on NBC in the morning again because NBC no longer programs weekday mornings. To convince 100+ affiliates to clear 1/2 hour in the morning to run Concentration would be, like, forget it.
TPIR is the last vestige of that era WRT game shows.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 10:54 PM\']For the 10,000th time: the networks have given weekday mornings back to the affiliates. [/quote]
so when wil CBS put card sharks and fmily fued back on?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 07:23 PM\'][quote name=\'GAME SHOW FAN 87\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 05:50 PM\']I was thinking about this today. If most people work during the day, how come all these talk and court shows do so well and not game shows?
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Depends what you mean by 'talk shows' nowadays. About 10 years ago, trailer trash shows dominated the talk show market, while Rosie Oprah & Regis were about the only normal talk shows back then. Nowadays Maury, Jerry and Montel are pretty much the last of the trashers and now we have more of the do-gooders (Tyra & Dr. Phil) and the gabfests with the stars (Ellen, Tony Danza...)
Court shows have been the only constant in the syndicated daytime market in the past dozen or so years -- maybe the judges and show names have changed, but not the content.
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Actually, court shows were around in daytime back in the 1960s. Divorce Court existed in syndication then, and early in the decade there were a pair of court shows on two networks that did pretty well: ABC's Day In Court and CBS's The Verdict Is Yours.
And somehow, Montel doesn't strike me as that much of a trash show...but then, he's opposite Ellen around here so I rarely ever see his show.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 12:10 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 10:54 PM\']For the 10,000th time: the networks have given weekday mornings back to the affiliates. [/quote]
so when wil CBS put card sharks and fmily fued back on?
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Easy there, Stackerodor.
(sorry, Mark...had to.)
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']so when wil CBS put card sharks and fmily fued back on?
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Forget it! I want Super Password Plus and Match Game '0X!
Charles
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[quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 02:19 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']so when wil CBS put card sharks and fmily fued back on?
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Forget it! I want Super Password Plus and Match Game '0X!
Charles
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That's a WHOOOOOOOOOOSH, Chumley.
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[quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 01:19 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']so when wil CBS put card sharks and fmily fued back on?
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[/quote]I second Modor's notion.
FAMILY FEUD FOREVER! (courtesy of CBS of course)
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 04:31 PM\'][quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 01:19 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']so when wil CBS put card sharks and fmily fued back on?
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[/quote]I second Modor's notion.
FAMILY FEUD FOREVER! (courtesy of CBS of course)
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Le Whooosh.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 04:31 PM\']I second Modor's notion.
FAMILY FEUD FOREVER! (courtesy of CBS of course)
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Perhaps you missed the first "WHOOOOSH". In case you did, here it is again:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHH™
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The other reason you don't see more game shows in daytime? The demographics are still too old, anecdotal instances of "TPIR" college groups aside. The courtroom genre is as a group the best ratings performers of any syndicated genre--and their budgets are the same as a game show or less for much younger viewers.
To get a major trend going for game shows in syndication, a new one is going to have to pull Dr. Phil numbers--including demos. If that happens--or if "Wheel" and "J!" ever decide to go off the air--we might be seeing more game show action. And as Chris said, network daytime game shows are pretty much a dead issue now, except for "TPIR." I even wonder if there'll still be network daytime in 10 years.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 05:34 PM\']Perhaps you missed the first "WHOOOOSH". In case you did, here it is again:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHH™
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Trademarked WHOOOOSH? Yet another sign of said apocalypse. ;)
As for another Mark...I don't know if I'd go as far as you said when it comes to having to pull in ratings, I kinda agree with your point. But at the same time, I take a look at a show like Feud, which probably shoulda been cancelled a while ago...I don't know how much of a difference it'll make. But you are right. It's gonna take a decent hit to get the genre back again.
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Network daytime will continue to exist for soaps and the morning news shows. Soaps are the one genre for which a working woman will set her VCR. As far as game shows, GSN provides a good daytime schedule for those who remember the halcyon days of network games.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 06:20 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 05:34 PM\']Perhaps you missed the first "WHOOOOSH". In case you did, here it is again:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHH™
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Trademarked WHOOOOSH? Yet another sign of said apocalypse. ;)
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Damn, I knew I should've gone to the patent office and gotten WHOOOOSH!!! copywritten. Now I gotta wait 70-something-odd years. :-P
Good thing Bed Bath and Beyond isn't copywritten...
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 11:39 AM\'][quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 02:19 AM\']
Forget it! I want Super Password Plus and Match Game '0X!
Charles
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That's a WHOOOOOOOOOOSH, Chumley.
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Why is it a whoosh? Ever thought that maybe he was playing along with the joke?
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Soaps will be on the networks in daytime forever, traditionally the only venue they have ever had (aside from the prime-time "soaps" of the '80s). You don't see soaps in prime access or early fringe or even syndication for that matter. Those have been the turf of game shows and other genres traditionally.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 09:47 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 11:39 AM\'][quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Jan 3 2006, 02:19 AM\']
Forget it! I want Super Password Plus and Match Game '0X!
Charles
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That's a WHOOOOOOOOOOSH, Chumley.
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Why is it a whoosh? Ever thought that maybe he was playing along with the joke?
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It was CHUMLEY. Highly doubtful.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 10:34 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 09:47 PM\']
Why is it a whoosh? Ever thought that maybe he was playing along with the joke?
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It was CHUMLEY. Highly doubtful.
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Wow.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 5 2006, 01:48 AM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 10:34 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 09:47 PM\']
Why is it a whoosh? Ever thought that maybe he was playing along with the joke?
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It was CHUMLEY. Highly doubtful.
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Wow.
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Oh, come on. Give me a break.
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(clears throat)
(hummmm)
mi mi mi mi miiiiiiiii . . .
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*sigh*
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 5 2006, 02:58 AM\'](clears throat)
(hummmm)
mi mi mi mi miiiiiiiii . . .
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*sigh*
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I can name that tune in 3 notes!
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 4 2006, 10:35 PM\']Soaps will be on the networks in daytime forever, traditionally the only venue they have ever had (aside from the prime-time "soaps" of the '80s). You don't see soaps in prime access or early fringe or even syndication for that matter. Those have been the turf of game shows and other genres traditionally.
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When "Desire" was announced, I went down the list of syndicated first-run soaps and noticed that there was no great track record there. The two initial hits--"Mary Hartman Mary Hartman" and "Prisoner: Cell Block H"--ran out of ratings steam after their initial success. Neither one of those shows were also what you would call a conventional soap. The rest of the list is not a good sign for 20th--and going to a novela-style, plot lines resolved every 13-to-26 weeks format didn't save "Port Charles"--but if they can pull it off, good for them. It's one less court show.