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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Casey Buck on August 24, 2003, 05:30:51 AM
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According to mandelweb.com:
There have been a number of changes, one of which I know will please a lot of the game show fans out there. The show now tapes at Tribune Studios (aka the KTLA studios and aka the studios where Whammy!, Russian Roulette, Let's Make Deal 2003, and Greed taped). It seemed like the new theme and cues were back (the non-classic one)...not sure why though. But the most major change...the game is now played to 300 points: single, single, double, triple. Three strikes every round. SUCH a big improvement. I really felt more invested in watching the game and following each question with this. The games play so much better. And it's hardcore classic rules in regards to scores on steals. That is, a family that steals a question doesn't get the points for the answer the \"stole\" with. Richard seems to be loosening up a bit. In fact, I was having a major Richard Dawson flashback with one particular family interview. I believe though that what I saw were the first two shows of the \"B\" episodes in double-run markets.
Now the big question is: why did Pearson/Fremantle take to long to get to this format?
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Now the big question is: why did Pearson/Fremantle take to long to get to this format?
Maybe they thought the 300 point format was broken and it needed to be fixed? Or maybe they were afraid of running short or long on a particular show (depending on how the families were doing answering the questions) and didn't want to deal with the big speed-up/stretch scenario with Louie.
Then again, I thought the big fix was the return of the Lucky Lollipop Trees... ;-)
JOSH
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 05:30 AM\'] According to mandelweb.com:
There have been a number of changes, one of which I know will please a lot of the game show fans out there. The show now tapes at Tribune Studios (aka the KTLA studios and aka the studios where Whammy!, Russian Roulette, Let's Make Deal 2003, and Greed taped). It seemed like the new theme and cues were back (the non-classic one)...not sure why though. But the most major change...the game is now played to 300 points: single, single, double, triple. Three strikes every round. SUCH a big improvement. I really felt more invested in watching the game and following each question with this. The games play so much better. And it's hardcore classic rules in regards to scores on steals. That is, a family that steals a question doesn't get the points for the answer the "stole" with. Richard seems to be loosening up a bit. In fact, I was having a major Richard Dawson flashback with one particular family interview. I believe though that what I saw were the first two shows of the "B" episodes in double-run markets.
Now the big question is: why did Pearson/Fremantle take to long to get to this format? [/quote]
So, in other words, they're not using the Ray Combs mix of the original theme anymore?
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Yes.
The only things missing now is upping Fast Money to $10 per point, and possibly a jackpot there($10,000 + $5,000 not won, up to $50,000). But the former is more likely to happen, if the show is likely to go on after this season.
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Now the big question is: why did Pearson/Fremantle take to long to get to this format?
The obvious answer would seem to be that they felt for the sake of the production itself, they wanted to lock in exactly how much game was going to be played for each show. Now, as it was in the original, it will be possible for one family to win after three rounds. It also becomes possible that a FIFTH round will be necessary. (Either that, or they've got a quickie solution if no one's got 300 after four rounds.) The production now has to take those possibilities into account. It was definitely easier for them the other way, it just wasn't as good a game.
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[quote name=\'Card Shark\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 08:56 AM\'] So, in other words, they're not using the Ray Combs mix of the original theme anymore? [/quote]
Seems like it, and I, for one, am cool with that change. 1) I never was fond of the Combs remix, 2) it sounded out of place on this version, 3) they chopped it to pieces, making it sound even more awkward. Personal gripe: I got tired of hearing that one same cue every time they came in from a commercial. It got old for me. :-P
If they want to use an old Feud theme, use the 94 remix.
Also, it's good to know they dropped the fourth Triple round. Now we have ourselves a game. :-)
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 09:20 AM\'] Yes.
The only things missing now is upping Fast Money to $10 per point, and possibly a jackpot there($10,000 + $5,000 not won, up to $50,000). But the former is more likely to happen, if the show is likely to go on after this season. [/quote]
No way. $20,000 is a nice round number, esp. when the show already has returning champions. Besides, Fast Money isn't lost too often, so the potential jackpots would probably stay in the $10,000-$25,000 range. The $10 a point isn't too bad of an idea, but it's not a necessity either, but it works for inflation.
One thing that *could* be brought back: the maingame points be reverted to dollars, like in every other run.
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I can picture Richard Karn saying \"Thisisround5, everybodylistencarefully,we'regonnamovefast.\"
seriously, though, i look forward to this change.
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Finally a good change to the show. I never really didn't like Louie Feud music so the change is okay with me. I just hope it is syndicated here again.
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I'm really glad Fremantle decided to change the rules. I'm a little bummed about the classic theme being gone, but I'd rather have a change in the scoring than then old theme. Is the theme being used the one that was from the earliest episodes of Karn's Feud or is it the one that appeared on Score Production's website?
I always thought that the best way to do the triple rounds were to do like Dawson did...read the question to the family once and each of them gets 3 seconds to answer. If they would do that for all triple rounds, they may be able to fit extras in without running over in time.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 02:30 AM\'] According to mandelweb.com:
It seemed like the new theme and cues were back (the non-classic one)...not sure why though. But the most major change...the game is now played to 300 points: single, single, double, triple. Three strikes every round. [/quote]
That is in fact a change worth getting excited about. I'm a little unsurprised to see griping about the music...if it means getting the GAME right, they can replace the theme with \"Puff The Magic Dragon\" for all I care...
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[quote name=\'TV Favorites\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 12:47 PM\']I always thought that the best way to do the triple rounds were to do like Dawson did...read the question to the family once and each of them gets 3 seconds to answer. If they would do that for all triple rounds, they may be able to fit extras in without running over in time.[/quote]
And that's exactly what is done for the Triple round. Richard reads the question once and goes down the line for each answer.
Like all of you, I'm glad to see this change finally being made. I had constantly brought up the scoring issue as long as I have been with the company. And every time I did, I had been given several reasons as to why the \"single-single-single-triple\" system needed to be used.
Then, this summer, a decision was made to explore revamping the scoring system for this year. The main issue was how to keep the average number of questions to four and to keep the show within time because we have considerably less \"program time\" than the Combs version and I think we even have less time than when this version started in 1999!
I suggested a few structures including single-single-double triple to 300, single-double-double-triple to 400, and single-single-single-double to 200. Ultimately, the 300 scenario was decided upon to keep the average number of questions in each show to four.
Yes, there is the possibility of no team reaching 300 after a fourth question. A fifth round will be played. I hadn't heard what was ultimately decided upon, but at one point that fifth round consisted of a sudden-death bullseye-type question.
- Mandel
http://mandelweb.com (http://\"http://mandelweb.com\")
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A quick question, if they've changed studios has the set changed or did you transport it to the new studio
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[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 03:15 PM\']A quick question, if they've changed studios has the set changed or did you transport it to the new studio[/quote]
There aren't any changes in the main set. It was just transported to the Tribune Studios. The stage that \"Feud\" is on was also used by \"Greed\" and \"Win Ben Stein's Money.\"
The thing closest to a set modification is that the area where the contestant waits offstage for Fast Money has been dressed up a bit. This is because on occasion (probably when we need to fill time because of a three-round win), we'll cut to a shot of the 2nd Fast Money contestant waiting backstage.
- Mandel
http://mandelweb.com (http://\"http://mandelweb.com\")
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if it means getting the GAME right, they can replace the theme with \"Puff The Magic Dragon\" for all I care...
Oh, that'd be neat!!
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[quote name=\'mandelweb\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 03:26 PM\'] [quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 03:15 PM\']A quick question, if they've changed studios has the set changed or did you transport it to the new studio[/quote]
There aren't any changes in the main set. It was just transported to the Tribune Studios. The stage that "Feud" is on was also used by "Greed" and "Win Ben Stein's Money."
The thing closest to a set modification is that the area where the contestant waits offstage for Fast Money has been dressed up a bit. This is because on occasion (probably when we need to fill time because of a three-round win), we'll cut to a shot of the 2nd Fast Money contestant waiting backstage.
- Mandel
http://mandelweb.com (http://\"http://mandelweb.com\") [/quote]
Thanks!
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Like all of you, I'm glad to see this change finally being made. I had constantly brought up the scoring issue as long as I have been with the company. And every time I did, I had been given several reasons as to why the \"single-single-single-triple\" system needed to be used.
Well, I'm glad they finally listened!
BTW, Mandel, I first suggested the \"S-S-D-T, 300 wins\" earlier this yr...does this warrant an onscreen credit for your old buddy? :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Self-Promoting \"Chuckie Baby\")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 05:36 PM\']
Like all of you, I'm glad to see this change finally being made. I had constantly brought up the scoring issue as long as I have been with the company. And every time I did, I had been given several reasons as to why the "single-single-single-triple" system needed to be used.
Well, I'm glad they finally listened!
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Im so excited about the score changes. im also glad you were able to finally tell us, because i remeber a post from a couple of weeks ago, saying that you couldnt say anything to us. Im a little disappointed about the \"classic theme\" leaving, but at least the major part of the show is fixed. Speaking of the theme, are they going to use the Karn theme that they used during his first 2 months hosting? IMO that was an awesome remix of the Anderson theme.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 09:20 AM\'] Yes.
The only things missing now is upping Fast Money to $10 per point, and possibly a jackpot there($10,000 + $5,000 not won, up to $50,000). But the former is more likely to happen, if the show is likely to go on after this season. [/quote]
Why would you want to do that?
Typical childish \"we need to up the money\" syndrome.
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Yes.
The only things missing now is upping Fast Money to $10 per point, and possibly a jackpot there($10,000 + $5,000 not won, up to $50,000). But the former is more likely to happen, if the show is likely to go on after this season.
Why would you want to do that?
Typical childish \"we need to up the money\" syndrome.
Actually:
I think it would be easier just to start a new winning family at a jackpot of $10,000; increase the jackpot by $5,000 for their next show whether they win or not. In other words:
First show: $10,000
Second show: $15,000
Third show: $20,000
Fourth show: $25,000
Fifth (and final) show: $30,000
Same potential winnings as now, but champions are rewarded for winning more than once.
\"Game Show Man\" Joe Van Ginkel
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 03:36 PM\'] Well, I'm glad they finally listened!
BTW, Mandel, I first suggested the "S-S-D-T, 300 wins" earlier this yr...does this warrant an onscreen credit for your old buddy? :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Self-Promoting "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
No, but you're welcome to borrow my collection of safety pins if you need to deflate your ego for easy storage. :)
In seriousness, from what I've witnessed, the game runs much more smoothly. I have only one qualm.
The act structure is still such that the first two questions are in the first act (which Richard still lumps together as \"Round 1\", which still bugs me to a degree). I think the first two \"Single\" questions should be in their own first and second acts, then have the double question and both triple questions (if necessary) in Act 3. Splitting Fast Money over the last two acts is creative (and the new shot of the contestant in isolation is very cool), but it's going to draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.
As a side note, that second triple question is in essence a standard question, but just with the \"top one answer\" on the board. I haven't seen it played out, but I'm hoping that they present it more as just a natural fifth round rather than a patched-on tiebreaker.
They're also changing the way they introduce the families so that it doesn't interrupt the flow of the game as much, which is a plus, in my opinion.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 09:30 PM\'] They're also changing the way they introduce the families so that it doesn't interrupt the flow of the game as much, which is a plus, in my opinion. [/quote]
Does Burton still say \"you're about to see these two families...\" etc.?
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My Family Feud format would be: First two rounds for single points, Third round for double points, and all rounds after that for triple points until a family reaches 300 points to reach Fast Money I think that's how they did it on The Richard Dawson Version of Family Feud from 1978 until 1984 when it went to 400 points to reach Fast Money. I want to see Family Feud at it's classic format, and we may see it this season.
Frank J. Genovay III
Trenton, NJ
FRANK'S GAME SHOW WEBSITE: http://community.webtv.net/FrankJGenovay/W...omeToFranksGAME (http://\"http://community.webtv.net/FrankJGenovay/WelcomeToFranksGAME\")
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I hope they go back to introducing the families before the show begins. I heard that one of the reasons for starting the game right away and interviewing later was to keep the audience from losing interest. If that is the case, then why is Millionaire doing good in the ratings?
To compare, I timed an episode of Combs's Feud and an episode of Meredith Veiria's Millionaire. From the start of the theme to the start of the game, the amount of time was 1:54 minutes for Feud and 1:43 for Millionaire. Not that much of a difference.
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[quote name=\'fjg5874\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 10:20 PM\'] My Family Feud format would be: First two rounds for single points, Third round for double points, and all rounds after that for triple points until a family reaches 300 points to reach Fast Money I think that's how they did it on The Richard Dawson Version of Family Feud from 1978 until 1984 when it went to 400 points to reach Fast Money. I want to see Family Feud at it's classic format, and we may see it this season. [/quote]
Ummm... this post is kinda pointless. According to what has been said, it will be done this way. So you could have just said \"this format is my favorite,\" and saved a good deal of time.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' date=\'Aug 24 2003, 04:30 AM\'] Richard seems to be loosening up a bit. In fact, I was having a major Richard Dawson flashback with one particular family interview. [/quote]
Oh god you don't mean he's brought back... KISSING ?
Is it me or did Karn start like Benirschke ? You know, kinda stiff and nervous. I think Karn survived because he got over his nervousness when he got the hang of the show.
-Joe R.
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I hope they go back to introducing the families before the show begins.
Wait...isn't that what they do now?
\"It's time for the family Feud! Introducing the DelVecchio FamilY! John! Marsha! Tiffany! Stacy and Kent!\" Right? So what are they doing now?
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 01:28 AM\']
I hope they go back to introducing the families before the show begins.
Wait...isn't that what they do now?
\"It's time for the family Feud! Introducing the DelVecchio FamilY! John! Marsha! Tiffany! Stacy and Kent!\" Right? So what are they doing now?[/quote]
I'm pretty sure TVF is talking about the host having the families introduced. \"The Kaflingle family, captain is Eric, hi Eric, whattayado, introduce me to your family.\"
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Does Burton still say \"you're about to see these two families...\" etc.?
Actually, he now says, \"you're about to see these eight families...\".
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 03:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 01:28 AM\']
I hope they go back to introducing the families before the show begins.
Wait...isn't that what they do now?
"It's time for the family Feud! Introducing the DelVecchio FamilY! John! Marsha! Tiffany! Stacy and Kent!" Right? So what are they doing now?[/quote]
I'm pretty sure TVF is talking about the host having the families introduced. "The Kaflingle family, captain is Eric, hi Eric, whattayado, introduce me to your family." [/quote]
Yes, that is what I meant. Burton currently introduces the family in the opening, but I'd like to see the \"interviews\" go on before the show begins.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 06:46 AM\']
Does Burton still say "you're about to see these two families..." etc.?
Actually, he now says, "you're about to see these eight families...". [/quote]
Eight? I thought it was 16....
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QUOTE (Don Howard @ Aug 25 2003, 06:46 AM)
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Does Burton still say \"you're about to see these two families...\" etc.?
Actually, he now says, \"you're about to see these eight families...\".
Eight? I thought it was 16....
That was just for the one-hour special. Mandel can tell you more.
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Richard has the heads of the families introduce their family members at the very beginning of the show now. He'll then usually pick out one other person to have a brief conversation with. He does not ask the contestants to talk about themselves once a question is in play.
I saw the fifth round in action. I'm not sure how it'll look on TV, because there was a lot of editing involved. Richard went to center stage, then kind of froze, so they had to stop. He then asked \"What does 5 mean?\" It didn't seem like they had rehearsed too much for the scenario, because there was quite a pause as the situation was explained to him, AND to both families. The family that had taken the triple-valued question seemed to have thought that they had already won. Anyway, the board looks the same, just with only the \"1\" in position. The answer is worth triple the points, so unless both families did very, very poorly, it can put either team over 300.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 06:46 AM\']
Does Burton still say "you're about to see these two families..." etc.?
Actually, he now says, "you're about to see these eight families...".
Eight? I thought it was 16.... [/QUOTE]
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heaven forbid i ask a serious question. i feel like iam on the old alt.tv. gameshow group again with all thse smart answers im getting...
what im trying to ask in all seriousness though, does burton still say\"You're about to see these two families battle it out for $20,000 in cash, cuz its time to play.. THE FAMILY FEUD.\" or did they stop saying that and changed it for another intro for season 5?
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[quote name=\'Stevek83\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 08:05 PM\'] heaven forbid i ask a serious question. i feel like iam on the old alt.tv. gameshow group again with all thse smart answers im getting... [/quote]
Do you really? Go back there, post for a day, and see if that's still the case.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 08:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'Stevek83\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 08:05 PM\'] heaven forbid i ask a serious question. i feel like iam on the old alt.tv. gameshow group again with all thse smart answers im getting... [/quote]
Do you really? Go back there, post for a day, and see if that's still the case.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
I didnt mean it that way, i know this is a much better group then what we had in the old days, i just took my orginally quote way too serious
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[quote name=\'Stevek83\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 08:05 PM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 25 2003, 06:46 AM\']
Does Burton still say "you're about to see these two families..." etc.?
Actually, he now says, "you're about to see these eight families...".
Eight? I thought it was 16.... [/QUOTE]
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heaven forbid i ask a serious question. i feel like iam on the old alt.tv. gameshow group again with all thse smart answers im getting...
what im trying to ask in all seriousness though, does burton still say"You're about to see these two families battle it out for $20,000 in cash, cuz its time to play.. THE FAMILY FEUD." or did they stop saying that and changed it for another intro for season 5? [/quote]
It's called a joke....perhaps Mr. Zinkin still has a sarcasm detector?
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Okay okay, i realize you were all just joking, i have a sense of humor too. I dont want to start a fight with my fellow gameshow members, i like this group. i dont wanna get kicked out for starting an agrument. My aplogies guys (and girls) :-)