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Obviously, charades existed before Celebrity Charades, Show-Offs and Body Language. But I remember (when I was very young) learning that Concentration was a card game before it was a TV show. I even asked about wild cards. And I think people occasionally did the answer-and-question thing before J!. (If nothing else, Steve Allen did it on the Tonight show before Johnny Carson did it as Carnac.)
Did anyone else learn that something in a game show didn't originate there?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 12:25 PM\']Obviously, charades existed before Celebrity Charades, Show-Offs and Body Language. But I remember (when I was very young) learning that Concentration was a card game before it was a TV show. I even asked about wild cards. And I think people occasionally did the answer-and-question thing before J!. (If nothing else, Steve Allen did it on the Tonight show before Johnny Carson did it as Carnac.)
Did anyone else learn that something in a game show didn't originate there?
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Sure....Tic Tac Toe was similar to Tic Tac Dough, but with no questions.
Charles
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[quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 12:30 PM\'][quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 12:25 PM\']
Did anyone else learn that something in a game show didn't originate there?
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Sure....Tic Tac Toe was similar to Tic Tac Dough, but with no questions.
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You actually knew about Tic Tac Dough before you knew about tic-tac-toe?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 09:25 AM\']Did anyone else learn that something in a game show didn't originate there?
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Live long enough and you'll see everything recycled. My humble opinion is that every basic kind of game has been played in the thousands of years since cavemen (and sexy cavewomen - I love Wilma!) sat around playing. Nothing beats a little play time after inventing the wheel or discovering fire!
The creativity lies more in the adaptation and presentation for TV.
Looking back at when I was a kid in New York it seems like Mark Goodson and my father could have grown up together, in the sense that a lot of the games I learned as a kid were adapted. I played "Acey Deucy" which was cleverly embellished to Card Sharks. And we played "Concentration" with a deck of cards spread on a table, face down. Pick two that matched and you got them; no match, and you turn them face down again where they were, trying to remember what's where. All that was missing is that my dad never said "... and the board goes back" or do peanut butter commercials.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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You might say Freud created Password and Al Capone gave them the title.
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An honest answer to the specific question posed by the original poster:
Growing up in a fairly conservative Southern Baptist household, I wasn't familiar with dice games. I mean, Monopoly was OK growing up, but not craps, for example. So when High Rollers premiered back in 1974 (I was 14), I saw it as a clever, original TV game without having any idea that the basic idea of the dice game had been around long before.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 10:46 AM\']... Growing up in a fairly conservative Southern Baptist household...
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In which case, please accept my apologies for my potty mouth when we speak!!!
I guess your mention of craps -> High Rollers helps to reinforce my theory that most basic games (cards, dice, trading, charades, tic-tac-toe, etc) had hundreds of years of history.
Thoughts on the theory?
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Some people took Merv Griffin's creation, Wheel of Fortune, and turned it into a clever parlor game called "Hangman".
Just wanted to see if y'all are paying attention.
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we played "Concentration" with a deck of cards spread on a table, face down. Pick two that matched and you got them; no match, and you turn them face down again where they were, trying to remember what's where. All that was missing is that my dad never said "... and the board goes back"
If you could get a playing card to make that neat "CLONK-CLONK-WHIIIIIRRRRRRR-CLONK" sound, then there would have been no need to adapt Concentration to television, now would there? 8-O
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 12:25 PM\']Obviously, charades existed before Celebrity Charades, Show-Offs and Body Language. But I remember (when I was very young) learning that Concentration was a card game before it was a TV show. I even asked about wild cards. And I think people occasionally did the answer-and-question thing before J!. (If nothing else, Steve Allen did it on the Tonight show before Johnny Carson did it as Carnac.)
Did anyone else learn that something in a game show didn't originate there?
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I didn't realize Card Sharks was loosely based on Acey-Deucy. It's not a direct translation, the way Gambit is a direct interpretation of Blackjack, but it's close.
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Pyramids were often used by ancient Egyptians to keep dead people. Bob Stewart's genius was in removing the dead people and substituting categories.
More seriously, the title "match game" was used long before Gene Rayburn took over to describe a bar game where you would guess how many matches the other person was holding. Loser bought the drinks.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 04:01 PM\']Pyramids were often used by ancient Egyptians to keep dead people. Bob Stewart's genius was in removing the dead people and substituting categories.
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LOL!
Actually Pyramid is also based on a game played for many years, called "Whatthefreakareyoutalkingabout?"
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 01:46 PM\']An honest answer to the specific question posed by the original poster:
Growing up in a fairly conservative Southern Baptist household, I wasn't familiar with dice games. I mean, Monopoly was OK growing up, but not craps, for example. So when High Rollers premiered back in 1974 (I was 14), I saw it as a clever, original TV game without having any idea that the basic idea of the dice game had been around long before.
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High Rollers might have been loosely based on a dice game called Shut the Box.
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[quote name=\'byrd62\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 10:59 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 01:46 PM\']An honest answer to the specific question posed by the original poster:
Growing up in a fairly conservative Southern Baptist household, I wasn't familiar with dice games. I mean, Monopoly was OK growing up, but not craps, for example. So when High Rollers premiered back in 1974 (I was 14), I saw it as a clever, original TV game without having any idea that the basic idea of the dice game had been around long before.[/quote]
High Rollers might have been loosely based on a dice game called Shut the Box.[/quote]
Can I get a whoosh from the congregation?
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Sing out, Brother Ottinger!
Looking back at the "game shows derived from board games," wasn't that how most game shows started? Someone said "If you add a picture puzzle as the third layer, Concentration could be a game show!" A boring question bee becomes a TV sensation with graded values, the chance to risk the lot at certain points. A boring question bee becomes mildly interesting if you add a tic-tac-toe board, slot machine, or $500 a point as the grand prize. It all still goes back to board games.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 11:28 PM\'][quote name=\'byrd62\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 10:59 PM\']High Rollers might have been loosely based on a dice game called Shut the Box.[/quote]
Can I get a whoosh from the congregation?
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WHOOOOOOSH, preacher. Say it again.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 11:33 PM\']Looking back at the "game shows derived from board games," wasn't that how most game shows started? Someone said "If you add a picture puzzle as the third layer, Concentration could be a game show!" A boring question bee becomes a TV sensation with graded values, the chance to risk the lot at certain points. A boring question bee becomes mildly interesting if you add a tic-tac-toe board, slot machine, or $500 a point as the grand prize. It all still goes back to board games.[/quote]
On my website (http://\"http://userdata.acd.net/ottinger/base/lists.htm\") I have a page that covers licensed properties that were turned into game shows. (And yes, I know I need to add Balderdash.) I distinguish between those and the everyday, commonplace, generic games like tic-tac-toe or small-c "concentration".
Still you can squeeze almost anything to fit just about any constraints you want. Here's a fun discussion (http://\"http://www.straightdope.com/columns/001124.html\") about how any story ever written boils down to a limited number of plots. The same is generally true of games, too, but I'd prefer to note obvious, direct linkages (such as the one between Millionaire and The $64,000 Question, or even between Wheel of Fortune and hangman) than to generalize to the point that we start suggesting that all "question bees" are the same.
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I'll admit that saying that any quiz show ever boils down to "Go to the Head of the Class" does take most of the sport out of the thread, but there are more obvious ones. "Video Village" is the Life Sized Board Game, though which one you want to link it to is hard. It's not quite Parcheesi, and not quite The Game of Life, and we can be thankful for that, because if you can imagine something more boring than playing "Life," it's watching people play it. Uff.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 12:25 PM\']Did anyone else learn that something in a game show didn't originate there?
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For me, it was SCRABBLE. The first time I heard about a Scrabble board game, I thought it was based on the TV show.
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For me, it was SCRABBLE. The first time I heard about a Scrabble board game, I thought it was based on the TV show.
You mean the "It's the board game you've played all your life, but never quite like this!" shtick didn't imply to you that the TV show was based on a board game? :-p
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Dec 14 2005, 12:13 AM\']You mean the "It's the board game you've played all your life, but never quite like this!" shtick didn't imply to you that the TV show was based on a board game? :-p
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SCRABBLE went off the air (late March '90) just days before my fifth birthday, how could I possibly remember EVERYTHING about the show. I didn't have any idea how the TV version was played until I read about it several months ago on one of the gs fan sites.
(I still don't know all of the rules of the bonus rounds!)
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Dec 13 2005, 10:13 PM\']Music Man wrote:
For me, it was SCRABBLE. The first time I heard about a Scrabble board game, I thought it was based on the TV show.
You mean the "It's the board game you've played all your life, but never quite like this!" shtick didn't imply to you that the TV show was based on a board game? :-p
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It was the same for me. See, I was 2 when I was watching the reruns. This was back when I thought the host was named Chuck Whoo-weeee! :)
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When I watched Trump Card, I could swear that game show was derived from a simple parlor game called bingo. The first round dealt with completing a row of numbers(the center one). The 2nd round involved all 4 corners. The last main game round had players filling out the rest of their cards. Theere were bonuses for being the first player to do each task.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Dec 14 2005, 12:48 AM\']SCRABBLE...
(I still don't know all of the rules of the bonus rounds!)
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That's okay. Chuck had a little trouble with the rules, too.
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It took me a little while to notice that What's My Line? and The Name's the Same were basically specialized versions of Twenty Questions.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Dec 14 2005, 08:23 AM\']That's okay. Chuck had a little trouble with the rules, too.
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I do have a video clip of the first sprint in the game on my computer, are there any clips of the "bonus" sprints?
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Seven Keys is basically Chutes and Ladders.
--Mike
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Blockbusters started out as Hex.
http://www.microring.it/hex/ (http://\"http://www.microring.it/hex/\")
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 14 2005, 01:01 AM\']It was the same for me. See, I was 2 when I was watching the reruns. This was back when I thought the host was named Chuck Whoo-weeee! :)
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Sang?
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Brother - next thing you know, someone'll tell me Camouflage came from those "find the hidden object" pages in the kids' magazines, Lingo sprung from Jotto, and Gambit was from some kind of gambing game. If that's true, maybe my new show idea has a chance - Celebrity Checkers! 12 celebs in red sweatshirts, 12 in black sweatshirts, and when a contestant answers a question correctly, he/she tells one of their celebrities where to move on a giant floor checkerboard! Naturally, the celebs will have to "jump" over each other, leapfrog style (Florence Henderson, jump over Coolio), and when you get one of your celebs to the other end of the board, they get "kinged" by carrying a celebrity on their backs (Congratulations, Tim Conway! Horatio Sanz, make him a king!). When you clean off your opponent's celebs, you get $250 for each of your stars still on the board!
Well, it's probably got a better chance than Celebrity Chess..unless the shows can straddle.....
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Dec 18 2005, 05:53 PM\']Brother - next thing you know, someone'll tell me Camouflage came from those "find the hidden object" pages in the kids' magazines, Lingo sprung from Jotto, and Gambit was from some kind of gambing game. If that's true, maybe my new show idea has a chance - Celebrity Checkers! [description snipped]
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No man, Sudoku is all the rage. Answer questions with numerical answers and place that number on the board. The player who completes the most rows, columns, and squares wins!
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Celebrity Bridge Whist Showdown!
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 18 2005, 10:58 PM\']Celebrity Bridge Whist Showdown!
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...and you think you're just telling a funny. (http://\"http://www.tvoneonline.com/shows/show.asp?sid=441\") =D
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[quote name=\'Speedy G\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 01:49 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 18 2005, 10:58 PM\']Celebrity Bridge Whist Showdown!
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...and you think you're just telling a funny. (http://\"http://www.tvoneonline.com/shows/show.asp?sid=441\") =D
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I actually caught this on tv the other day (no, I didn't Tivo it.).....it's , uh , odd.....four z list celebs in a living room playing cards....talking smack....
Greeaaattttt television....right up there with that crap spelling bee....
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 18 2005, 08:47 PM\'][quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Dec 18 2005, 05:53 PM\']Brother - next thing you know, someone'll tell me Camouflage came from those "find the hidden object" pages in the kids' magazines, Lingo sprung from Jotto, and Gambit was from some kind of gambing game. If that's true, maybe my new show idea has a chance - Celebrity Checkers! [description snipped]
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No man, Sudoku is all the rage. Answer questions with numerical answers and place that number on the board. The player who completes the most rows, columns, and squares wins!
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[quote name=\'Speedy G\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 11:49 AM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 18 2005, 10:58 PM\']Celebrity Bridge Whist Showdown!
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...and you think you're just telling a funny. (http://\"http://www.tvoneonline.com/shows/show.asp?sid=441\") =D
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Oh. My. God.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 12:20 PM\']Oh. My. God.
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I figured you knew, since "Bridge Whist" sounds kinda like "Bid Whist", and we've discussed this program before here.
/still waiting for Celebrity Tichu
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 03:31 PM\']/still waiting for Celebrity Tichu
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How about Celebrity Tai-Chi?
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 02:40 PM\']How about Celebrity Tai-Chi?
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Uh, yeah.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 01:31 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 19 2005, 12:20 PM\']Oh. My. God.
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I figured you knew, since "Bridge Whist" sounds kinda like "Bid Whist", and we've discussed this program before here.
/still waiting for Celebrity Tichu
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I must have missed that discussion. I'll say it again.
Oh. My. God.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Dec 15 2005, 12:35 PM\'][quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Dec 14 2005, 08:23 AM\']That's okay. Chuck had a little trouble with the rules, too.
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Found one on Page o' Clips.
Thank you. :)
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maybe my new show idea has a chance - Celebrity Checkers! 12 celebs in red sweatshirts, 12 in black sweatshirts, and when a contestant answers a question correctly, he/she tells one of their celebrities where to move on a giant floor checkerboard!
It won't work without Cesar Romero. Besides, Heatter and Quigley aren't available to produce it.